From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V7 #129 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, June 14 2002 Volume 07 : Number 129 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: precious-things-digest V7 #127 [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: "devoted sattelite" ["Carmen Riojas" ] Re: "devoted sattelite" [Brian K Tanaka ] what about new album ["Kasia" ] Re: empowering tori ["*** Vicki ***" ] Re: "devoted sattelite" ["Amelia" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:50:33 EDT From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V7 #127 In a message dated 6/12/02 1:21:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: > Silent All These Years > Cornflake Girl > Bells for Her > Girl > Crucify > Little Earthquakes > I don't understand how Bells for Her or even Little Earthquakes are all that empowering for a young girl being pressured by boys... But hey, if you think she'd like it... Anyway, I would reccommend Raspbury Swirl as an empowering take charge of your own sexuality thing...Spark is empowering...God...Siren...Carnival ("I'm not that kind of woman")... Good luck. - -V ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:04:32 -0500 From: "Carmen Riojas" Subject: Re: "devoted sattelite" "...you were a sun now with your very own/ devoted satellite" is from Doughnut Song on BFP. IMHO its got more to do w/ a romantic relationship where one person is waay too dependent on the other. i think she's saying that's what he wants and she's not going to be that anymore. toodles CR I truly believe that until we learn to see each other as people... beyond the label of woman, man, white, black, them; we can never move beyond hatred and ignorance. "War does not determine who is right; war determines who is left." Jesus (that's Hey-soos) "When I despair I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seemed invincible but in the end, they always fall--- think of it, always. "The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. "Hatred can only be overcome by love." - - Mahatma Ghandi (India) "We have a beatiful mother./Her green lap immense./Her brown embrace eternal./Her blue body everthing we know." Alice Walker >From: JNe9027355@aol.com >To: precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: "devoted sattelite" >Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 04:51:52 EDT > > >i forget which song this is from but i think it's a great phrase in lieu of >"fan/admirer/etc" >is that what she meant by it anyway? >AJ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:24:53 -0700 From: Brian K Tanaka Subject: Re: "devoted sattelite" Richard Handal typed the following words: > > I almost never speak of details in song lyrics such as this in a way that > implies I believe I know the "one true meaning" of it, but it seems clear > in Doughnut Song where this lyric comes from, that the character in the > song whose point of view from which the song is put forth is told is > saying her boyfriend--or former boyfriend--is telling her that he has > someone more devoted to him than she is or was, and that he's even saying > so in a spiteful way so as to create envy in her, this protagonist > character. That's always been my take on it too. Consider the context: "you told me last night / you were a sun now with your very own / devoted satellite / happy for you / and I am sure that I hate you / two sons too many too many able fires" The protagonist is reacting, in my opinion, to the boasts of the former boyfriend. The "happy for you / and I am sure that I hate you" lines are similar to the "if I hate her, if I ate her" discussion earlier on this list in that the character doesn't just sink into spiteful malice but also won't just accept the situation just because the other person finds value for himself in it. Here's a weird thing though... I always thought she said, "two *suns* too many too many able fires" which to me was this brilliant play on the "he claims he's a sun" bit; that is: there's already a sun in the sky and there's no room for him to claim that kind of stature, to claim in hubris to be another sun. But, I notice in the lyrics book that it says "two *sons*...". Now, either there's another whole layer of meaning there that I'm not getting, or there's a typo in the lyrics book. ;-) I'd wager it's the former. Thoughts? There is one other trivial but vaguely interesting twist, another possibility. While it's true he could be saying it "in a spiteful way so as to create envy in her" as Richard points out, it's also possible he's simply clueless and, worse, careless with the protagonist's feelings. I only mention this because someone I'm close to went through a breakup wherein the ex-partner just sort of cluelessly enthused about her new relationship seemingly without any awareness of the hurt it imparted. Just my 2 cents... - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.well.com/~btanaka/tori - Gxis la kokino, oreloj kun futoj... - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:21:03 +0200 From: "Kasia" Subject: what about new album Hey! I wonder what are your thoughts on upcoming Tori album.... I wonder what would you like it to sound like? Or maybe you have any thoughts on new tour, huh? Kasia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:40:47 -0500 From: "*** Vicki ***" Subject: Re: empowering tori Great Minds Think Alike. :) Vicki > and Precious Things.. you GOTTA DO PRECIOUS THINGS. > >Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) "Even a genius can have an off day." - Wile E. Coyote _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:21:56 -0600 From: "Amelia" Subject: Re: "devoted sattelite" - ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Handal > No way did Tori mean to refer to Toriphiles or people who go to the shows > when she used that phrase. I'm quite sure she wants us all to shine on our > own, and not to act as moths to a flame. I love her like crazy but I'm > following my own path. I'm going to disagree. When I hear the line "you told me last night you were a sun now, with your very own devoted satelite," I immediatlly think of her fame and how hard it must be to live with someone famous. I took this to mean that he now had someone as devoted to him as her fans sometimes can be, even suggesting a bit of jealousy. I think the line is written in his voice, not Tori's, and so it's his perspective on her success. I'm sure she wants us all to be our own suns. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V7 #129 *************************************