From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V7 #128 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, June 13 2002 Volume 07 : Number 128 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: empowering tori ["*** Vicki ***" ] Re: Losing My Religion [Cyndi S Crawford ] Re: empowering tori [Cyndi S Crawford ] Re: "devoted sattelite" [Richard Handal ] Neil in SLG, one year later [Beth Winegarner ] Re: devoted satellite ["Tom xxxxx" ] sort of odd Tori moment ["Tom xxxxx" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:06:09 -0500 From: "*** Vicki ***" Subject: Re: empowering tori Oooohhhh... How about Caught A Lite Sneeze, Siren, Precious Things, Spark, Take To The Sky, Upside Down, Sister Janet & Do It Again Vicki :) >From: "Wendi Smith" >To: precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: empowering tori >Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:22:09 -0400 > > >I have a younger cousin who is going through a pretty rough patch in her >life. She is 13 and boys are starting to pressure her already to do things >that she doesn't want to do...sexually. So I was talking with her today >and >I don't know if my message got through or not and she knows how much I have >always loved Tori, and how much Tori has always helped me, so I am trying >to >make her a mixed CD of some empowering Tori. And I was wondering if you >guys could help me make a list. Here are the songs that I already have: > >Silent All These Years >Cornflake Girl >Bells for Her >Girl >Crucify >Little Earthquakes > >Any suggestions? > >wendi > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. "Even a genius can have an off day." - Wile E. Coyote _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:57:51 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: Losing My Religion >One more time please give the address where I can get the MP3 of Losing My Religion. THanks.< I got it from KaZaA. an mp3 downloader.. I'm gonna buy albums whenever I get my hands on some.. y'know.. *MONEY*.. but until then, KaZaA and winMX are my hookup. you can go to www.kazaa.com or to www.winmx.com to download those programs. Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:55:48 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: empowering tori Wendi: Regarding your list of Empowering Tori songs... you CANNOT FORGET TVaB "Bells For Her" or "The Waitress".. then there's Liquid Diamonds.. and the original The Waitress.. and Precious Things.. you GOTTA DO PRECIOUS THINGS. Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:33:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: "devoted sattelite" AJ said: > i forget which song this is from but i think it's a great phrase in lieu > of "fan/admirer/etc" I'm not at all comfortable with thinking I was something like that. I'm not revolving around Tori or anyone else in the manner of a servilely attentive flatterer as is implied. (Trying desperately not to use the word "sycophant," but not coming up with much of an improvement.) > is that what she meant by it anyway? I almost never speak of details in song lyrics such as this in a way that implies I believe I know the "one true meaning" of it, but it seems clear in Doughnut Song where this lyric comes from, that the character in the song whose point of view from which the song is put forth is told is saying her boyfriend--or former boyfriend--is telling her that he has someone more devoted to him than she is or was, and that he's even saying so in a spiteful way so as to create envy in her, this protagonist character. No way did Tori mean to refer to Toriphiles or people who go to the shows when she used that phrase. I'm quite sure she wants us all to shine on our own, and not to act as moths to a flame. I love her like crazy but I'm following my own path. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:54:31 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: Neil in SLG, one year later Neil's talking about Tori again, this time responding to a writer who criticized his review of SLG as he wrote it last year. Here's her remark, followed by his explanation (there's an interesting and juicy tidbit about her performance of "Sentimental Journey" in London in 1991): ==================================================================== Dear Neil - What delightful irony, fearful symmetry. Yesterday in your journal you questioned author Beryl Bainbridge's attempt at a time travel novel since she claims it will "not be a SF" novel even though she's using the generic ideas, possibly because she hasn't spent much time learning the body or craft of SF. Yet last year, you joyfully touted and wrote for the Tori Amos album Strange Little Girls, calling it a wonderful and original work (or something, don't remember the quote), even though it was no more than a standard issue covers album...and by your measure, one that plonked down rather dull ideas while being marketed as something more or other than a covers album. (something about singing from men's perspectives?) "It's not a covers album" rings the same to me as "It's not a SF novel." ===================================================================== 2) Strange Little Girls. I went looking for my own comments on this. Did a hasty site:neilgaiman.com hunt on Google. Can't find the "wonderful and original work" quote you refer to. The closest seems to be: stories I wrote for Tori's STRANGE LITTLE GIRLS album. To clarify, they won't be on the CD -- I think the plan is to take a sentence from each one and put it by the relevant photo for the CD, then to run the whole story in the Tour Booklet. (one person asked me if the new album was really any good, as if I'd probably just been trying to get people's hopes up to help sell a dog of an album, which rather puzzled me. So, for the record, yes I really like the album. I think it's the best thing Tori's done in a while, and it's, in my opinion, her most personal album for years. I would be astonished if there wasn't at least one track on there that every dyed in the wool Tori fan loved immediately, and equally as surprised if there wasn't at least one track that they disliked equally as strongly -- it's that sort of record). It's certainly how I felt, and it points out it wasn't an album that you're going to love all of. Was it a covers album? That's not something I ever wrote (or felt strongly about) about one way or another. Define a covers album as an album of songs by other people, then it certainly was. Define it as "singer does a bunch of songs that she likes" and it manifestly wasn't. Tori had a point of view from the first about what she wanted to do and say with "Strange Little Girls", spent a long time putting together songs by men she felt she could use to say other things with, mostly things about gender, and believed very strongly in everything she did with it, including creating the "girls" to sing the songs, the ones I wrote the very-short stories for. It let her say and sing a number of things that I don't think she could have done with her own songs at that point. And she learned a lot from it. I certainly think it was, perhaps contrarily, a much more personal album than, for example, "To Venus and Back". I tend to think of it, artistically, as an assemblage, or a collage: the photos are other by other people, but the shape they are assembled into and the patterns they make, are the point, and are her own. I've always enjoyed her interpretations of other people's songs in concert (I remember the whole of the plot for The Kindly Ones sorted itself out in 1991 at the Shaw Theatre in London during her version of "Sentimental Journey"), and I did not assume that Strange Little Girls was the pinnacle of her career, but that it was the CD equivalent of one of those songs. (I know that I get a completely different sort of joy from reading someone else's poem or story aloud as I do when I'm performing my own material.) Some people got it, some didn't. Your mileage, as they used to say, may vary. - -- "This country has a deep fear and mistrust of strong, smart, accomplished, outspoken women unless they are sexy 22-year-olds killing vampires on television." -- Dennis Miller _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ music reviews + stories + poetry + photography + collage + Watchers livejournal + selkies + esoterica + links = http://echoes.devin.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:57:29 +0000 From: "Tom xxxxx" Subject: Re: devoted satellite >i forget which song this is from but i think it's a great phrase in lieu of >"fan/admirer/etc" >is that what she meant by it anyway? >AJ This is from Doughnut Song. Since the song is about the bitter ends of a relationship, I think what Tori means is her former lover has found someone else already, someone who's really into him, maybe even sycophantly so. So, she follows that up with the killer next line: "I'm happy for you, and I am sure that I hate you." This is one of my top five Tori faves, so I've thought about and analyzed it to death. toodles, Tom "All the carnage of my journeys makes it harder to be livin' He said, 'It's a long road to be forgiven." Amy Ray, "Chickenman" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:00:16 +0000 From: "Tom xxxxx" Subject: sort of odd Tori moment Hey all, A couple days ago, a friend of mine in Buffalo was getting a manicure. So, she picked out her color--a deep shade of red. When she asked the manicurist what is was called, she nearly flipped. It's called "I am Not a Waitress." I almost feel that this HAS to be a Tori inspired color, but logically, it seems unlikely. I just had to share that. My friend is definitely not a waitress. toodles, Tom "All the carnage of my journeys makes it harder to be livin' He said, 'It's a long road to be forgiven." Amy Ray, "Chickenman" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V7 #128 *************************************