From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V7 #92 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, May 2 2002 Volume 07 : Number 092 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: least fav Tori songs??? [Cyndi S Crawford ] Re: from hate to love, and love at 1rst sight [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: precious-things-digest V7 #90 [JNe9027355@aol.com] Re: precious-things-digest V7 #90 [JNe9027355@aol.com] how i learned to love ["Kasia" ] love from the first sight ["Kasia" ] ftch and summer schema ["Kasia" ] little amsterdam ddi ["Kasia" ] why are you laughing ["Kasia" ] sister named desire ["Kasia" ] Re: precious-things-digest V7 #90 ["mr zebra" ] Re: "Icicle" [Cyndi S Crawford ] Re: love from the first sight [Cyndi S Crawford ] Re: Re: precious-things-digest V7 #90 [RHPSshock@aol.com] Re: precious-things-digest V7 #90 ["*** Vicki ***" Subject: Re: least fav Tori songs??? >I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. I didn't mean to suggest you weren't paying attention, Cyndi, I meant to refer to the the idea of being in a place where one may be more open than usual to the *emotions* of the music.< Ah, I see.. I see.. thanks! *read the rest of your email* I'll be sure to check out that sound file in your url. Thanks for informing better of what you meant. I appreciate it. :) Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 01:55:00 EDT From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: from hate to love, and love at 1rst sight This is fun! YKTR: Um, well, everything I hated then, I still hate now. A love at first sight would have to be Cool on Your Island. LE: Winter was love. Absolute love. Hate...well, China was it for a while, but I don't mind her so much now. I don't love her, though. I disliked Little Earthquakes for a while, but I love her now, just because I really paid attention to the lyrics and the emotion, the power, the desperate feelings, the urges and the demands...she's an awesome girl. UTP: Love at first sight: Cornflake Girl, and Pretty Good Year. Hate: I'm still not a big fan of The Wrong Band, but I never hated her. I enjoy her melody. BFP: Caught a Lite Sneeze was a love at first sight. Professional Widow, I could barely stand her. But after a while, and in a tumultuous longtime relationship, I came to understand her. She drew me in with her raw power, her need to make him crawl... FTCH: Raspberry Swirl. She is my lover. I could never marry her, but she is most definitely my lover. I skipped Liquid Diamonds for a while, it was just too blah for me. But after a while, when I really listened, I came to love the sultry, watery feeling she had to her, and the whole "I guess I'm an underwater thing" line resonated with me. TVAB: Bliss was my first love. She just rocks. Glory of the 80's....yuck! But I came to love her style. SLG: Rattlesnakes, Strange Little Girl, '97 Bonnie and Clyde, and I Don't Like Mondays...all songs struck such a chord within me on the first listen that I seriously cried. However, Enjoy the Silence, and I'm Not In Love...what the hell was she thinking!!!?? B-sides: Cooling is my true love. I'd marry her. But Samurai is just boring. Covers: A Case of You, Lovesong, Losing My Religion, Famous Blue Raincoat, Teen Spirit, all were loves. Ring My Bell, Whole Lotta Love, Killing Me Softly...yuck. Ok, so I didn't quite do the categories right. Oh well. :) Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 03:18:41 EDT From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V7 #90 In a message dated 4/29/02 10:21:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: > SLG - '97 Bonnie & Clyde (I just don't like this song period the end) but this song performed live rocks majorly. she just adds more personality to the rapping --and seeing the screen with the eerie cake photo just tops it off. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 03:20:21 EDT From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V7 #90 In a message dated 4/29/02 10:21:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: > UTP: Space Dog - was just *silly* til I read some Gaiman and heard the > plugged version who is Gaiman? plugged version: u mean the one on Venus? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 11:45:02 +0200 From: "Kasia" Subject: how i learned to love Hey! Nice thread! Here are my loves from the second sight (hear :-)): Cloud On My Tongue - I didn't like it that much until I heard live version from show in Poland (my lovely country :-))... + this song makes me think of someone Space Dog - until I heard Plugged versions and danced to it :-) Doughnut Song - again - until I heard it live... I don't know why cause this song isn't so different live than on the album... Jackie's Strength - the video works on me... Few days ago I was playing FTCH, and Jackie's Strength started and I thought about the video and it makes me so... well... silent for the minute... Now I really like it So that's all Kasia "Tam - milion moich s3sw; tam - lec9 i te." ~Cyprian Kamil Norwid~ "sometimes you're nothing but meat" ~Tori Amos~ "we can't see clear but what we see is alright" ~Sonic Youth~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 11:45:09 +0200 From: "Kasia" Subject: love from the first sight Hey This is pretty nice topic, too :-) LE: winter - when I listened to it for the first time I was kinda shocked... and when I listened to it for the second time I cried.... Now I'm really sick of this song... I don't know why UTP: the wrong band - and I love it to that day... this is so amazing for me from the beggining to the end BFP: none - i was really shocked listening to this album, but when I played it again and then again... - horses - to that day it's my BIG bfp fav FTCH: she's your cocaine - such a nasty song :-) I really love the way Tori sings in it ("pleeeeaaase don't help me with this") and spark - just because :-) TVAB: bliss - it was one of the first Tori songs I heard in my life... SLG: rattlesnakes - I bought the CD, playing it all night, went sleep, woke up, went school and sang it all day to my friends.... they were like *fdjfhjkd* :-) Hey! Thanks for these threads.... Kasia "Tam - milion moich s3sw; tam - lec9 i te." ~Cyprian Kamil Norwid~ "sometimes you're nothing but meat" ~Tori Amos~ "we can't see clear but what we see is alright" ~Sonic Youth~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 11:45:17 +0200 From: "Kasia" Subject: ftch and summer schema >most of the music is pretty dark and gloomy >tho...how does this fit the >summer schema? Well, maybe it's cause of these beats... I just feel the summer and safari in it :-) Kasia "Tam - milion moich s3sw; tam - lec9 i te." ~Cyprian Kamil Norwid~ "sometimes you're nothing but meat" ~Tori Amos~ "we can't see clear but what we see is alright" ~Sonic Youth~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 11:45:26 +0200 From: "Kasia" Subject: little amsterdam ddi >where can i hear this? Well, almost on every boot from ddi tour... I have no idea where you can fix the mp3... Kasia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 11:45:33 +0200 From: "Kasia" Subject: why are you laughing >I'd like to personally thank Kasia for the Laugh Out Loud I just had > >I meant to say: When she said the following: ><< I'm sorry if I hurt some of you with these choices >> >Hurt? Thats precious Kasia. You have a kind heart. >Everyone go back to what you were doing now :::still laughing::: Why are you laughing at me??? I was trying to be nice :-((( Kasia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 11:59:10 +0200 From: "Kasia" Subject: sister named desire God, I hope you won't bite me - but I really like this song... It's so sleepy - - amazing atmosphere... I love Tori songs that are sleepy and magic... And to tell you the truth - when you say you don't like it - it makes me love this song more.... I just feel this song is only mine... do you know what I mean.... BTW: alamo is my big fav and frog on my toe really grows on my too lately.... so Talula single part 2 kicks my ass :-) Kasia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 07:57:33 -0500 From: "mr zebra" Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V7 #90 > who is Gaiman? Neil Gaiman is an author and friend of Tori. Their works reference each other no several occasions. Anytime a Tori song mentions Neil, it's talking about Gaiman. And the Dream King is the Sandman, the title character in Gaiman's graphic novel series. > plugged version: u mean the one on Venus? The tour before the Venus tour (1998) was called the Plugged Tour. So technically, since the recordings on Venus were done on that tour, yes, that one. matthew. has to go turn in a final now. my whole life revolves around your absence until I can't remember what I was, what I am, what I know, or where I go. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 01:15:37 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: "Icicle" >if it's the same song that i'm thinking of.. i agree with the getting off lyrics in Tweet's song..< Yeah the chorus goes "oooops, there goes my shirt up over my head, oh my.. oooops there goes my skirt under my feet, oh my.." etc.. once I heard that, I was like "duuuude, that's like a hip-hop version of Icicle!" rofl.. minus anything religious, of course, but still.. lol I dunno about y'all but I like comparing some people to Tori.. (not comparing Tori to other people.. but them to HER! get what I mean? lol) *grin!* it's fun. Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 09:15:48 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: love from the first sight Kasia said: >FTCH: she's your cocaine - such a nasty song :-) I really love the way Tori sings in it ("pleeeeaaase don't help me with this") and spark - just because :-)< that's funny.. I coulda sworn she was singing "WHO'S gonna kill me again?".. hmm.. lol Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 09:23:56 -0400 From: RHPSshock@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: precious-things-digest V7 #90 Hi, dear. Gaiman would be Neil Gaiman, a terrific author (my favorite) and good friend to Tori. He is, in fact, Tori's daughter's fairie Godfather. They refrence each other a lot in their works. (Anytime you hear Tori talk about Neil in a song, this would be the one.) If you would like to find out more, the terrific Mikewhy has a good page to start out with, with a few links to get you well on your way at www.thedent.com/neil.html Hugs and Toodles. Angelina. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 11:13:44 -0500 From: "*** Vicki ***" Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V7 #90 Mmmm... you may have a very good point, but I honestly haven't heard any live boots from the last tour (nor did I attend a show) so I can't really argue your point, but now I guess I will have to listen to it, maybe it will change my mind (certainly won't be the first time). Wow, I'm so excited someone struck up a conversation with me. Guess this means I'm no longer a lurker. :) Vicki >From: JNe9027355@aol.com >To: precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V7 #90 >Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 03:18:41 EDT > > >In a message dated 4/29/02 10:21:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: > > > > SLG - '97 Bonnie & Clyde (I just don't like this song period the end) > >but this song performed live rocks majorly. she just adds more personality >to >the rapping --and seeing the screen with the eerie cake photo just tops it >off. "Even a genius can have an off day." - Wile E. Coyote ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 12:23:43 -0700 From: "Missy" Subject: Re: Songs I don't like , Songs I once couldn't stand! > I also think this is a great topic.. it's really fun to see what songs people dislike, and why, and then see the same songs on other peoples' likes list, and compare. =] Also, I seem to be somewhat backwards in my Tori listening experience.. I got To Venus and Back first, and the rest of her cds 2 yrs later, which was.. about a year ago now. .when I got the rest of her albums. It was not an easy adjustment to make, since TVAB is very different from the others, but I'm getting there! The San Diego concerts helped me be able to appreciate the rest though. =] I was in awe the whole 2nd concert, ..the 1st one I was too shocked that I was even there to feel anything else. :Songs I don't like. > LE- Girl, and Happy Phantom. The beginning of H.P....the way she sings in it, just grates on my nerves somehow. Every once in awhile I can tolerate it, but it's a rare moment. > UTP- God, and The Wrong Band. I absolutely do not like the beginning to I.T.W.B. If I fast forward some..I can sort of stand the song..but it just doesn't do it for me. God, is a listen to sometimes one...but usually I am not in the "right" mood to listen to it..so I skip it. > BFP- Blood Roses, and Talula. > FTCH- She's Your Cocaine. Oddly enough, I Used to like this one...but it just gets more and more annoying to me. The way she sings it hurts my ears...it's so screechy and...not what I want to listen to. > TVAB-live none..Cuz I like them all. > TVAB= concertina is my least favorite on there, but I don't necessarilly Hate it. > SLG- New Age. Enjoy the Silence: *maybe* someday.. but right now I still prefer the Depeche Mode version..I realize the point with covers [at least, IMO] is to NOT compare them to the originals, but view them as their own different songs. But I can't do that with this track yet..and so in my mind, she butchered the song. sorry. Heart of Gold..again..the whole.. screechyness factor just grates my nerves..and it reminds me of a bad train ride or something..it just jumps all over the place. I don't Like Mondays. I can't connect with this one..it just does nothing for me. Real Men. I don't know exactly why I dont' really like this one..I just..don't. > > Here are the songs that I once could not listen to, and had to force myself to, so that I could grow to love some of them. =] > LE- Basically, I couldn't even listen to this entire album until after I saw her live last year. I had no connections with the music, so there wasn't any point to listen to it. Then after I saw her live, I had a connection, and I can now see and partially understand the beauty of this album. > UTP- The Waitress. Cornflake Girl. I had only heard the version on TVAB, since the first Tori Cd I found was TVAB..so I had an Extremely difficult time learning to appreciate this version of it. It took me a couple years, and I still prefer the live version. > BFP- Professional Widow. > FTCH- Hotel. Raspberry Swirl.--I can't listen to this one as much as the others, though. Cruel=I can't listen to this one Alot either. > TVAB- live : Cruel. Mr. Zebra = It was just so silly that I skipped over it most of the time.. I still do alot, but it's cute sometimes. Especially since I saw the video clip of her messing up on that song..hehe. That was so adorable! > TVAB: Glory of the 80's. Suede. Suede was just too slow for me, and it took me a long time to deal with it. > SLG- Basically the whole entire album started out in the I hate these songs pile. But as I forced myself to pick out a song or two I could sort of tolerate, and listened to them over and over and over and over as Mp3s before the cd was even out..I found some songs I liked. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 00:06:47 +0100 From: "Pete Lambert" Subject: RE: precious things (the song) and sugar > Another question: I was listening to "Sugar" a lot recently. > Erin Yeah good questions. I think of all Tori's songs Sugar is the one thats the best example of how her style and issues have changed over the years as she's tweaked it as she goes along. Like how she's changed the original "if they found me out" to "WHEN they find YOU out", so it's gone from the LE themed "please someone hear my voice" to the more recent "oi! I'm telling you *this* boy!" kinda tori - the song used to be ashamed of the fact that this boy was taking advantage of it and taking it for granted, but now it's just angry and going to let him know it... Ah, havent actually *answered* any of your questions have i? :-) Pete - -------------------------- ~~~~ I felt centuries of a life together. I felt like an eternal soul when we touched. And I thought, 'Oh shit.' ~~~ sophie b hawkins ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 23:00:05 -0400 From: Cyndi S Crawford Subject: Re: Songs I don't like , Songs I once couldn't stand! I enjoy this topic too because it just shows to me how *OPENMINDED* other ears with feet can be.. I've been, as I may have mentioned before, a fan of Michael Jackson for about 7 years now.. and I've run into some fans who *REFUSE* to admit.. or believe.. that one measly song of his could be NOT AS GOOD as another.. it gets tiring, so this is verrrrrrrry refreshing for me. :) Sincerely, Cyndi S. Crawford (Keyyooo on ICQ and IRC, Keyyooo1 on AIM) http://learntothink0.tripod.com/learntothinkagain/ -- http://www.geocities.com/keyyooo/ -- http://www.platinumcomplication.com/cyndi/ Tori Amos' response when asked to describe herself in five words: "I. Do. Not. Describe. Myself." ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V7 #92 ************************************