From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V6 #246 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, December 11 2001 Volume 06 : Number 246 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: 97 B&C performed live [Ray Bailey ] Re: 97 B&C performed live [Mysterilady2001@cs.com] Re: Which Tori song are you? [RHPSshock@aol.com] Re: 97 B&C performed live [strange little woj ] tomb offer [strange little woj ] More thoughts on the live 97B&C [Richard Handal ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:22:18 -0500 From: Ray Bailey Subject: Re: 97 B&C performed live ToRiGLosS@aol.com wrote: > Actually, in the newspaper review of the show here in Houston they said that > she redid the vocals of the song over the music for the concerts, but that > they play back the re-recorded version at the start of every show rather than > her doing it. > > (:7.8((*7.8 8.7*()8.7:) > +.707. AmY.707.; > (8.7:(8.7(* *(7.8):7.8) > time is the longest distance between two places - The Glass Menagerie I'm not trying to contradict because I don't know for sure what the deal is but I do know that between the two D.C. shows and the Philly show there was definately a difference in the voice for all three shows with this song... - -- - - rAy aka kOcheSe aka HaLo "...I'm cutting my hands up every time I touch you, and maybe, maybe it's time to wave goodbye now; time to wave goodbye, now..." -Tori Amos "...No more drama in my life, I don't ever wanna hurt again..." -Mary J Blige ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 02:52:34 EST From: Mysterilady2001@cs.com Subject: Re: 97 B&C performed live Hi ya EWF ~ Yes, about 97 B&C - I went to many shows this tour and I believe, as do several of my Tori friends, that it is recorded. As one said its her "Two minutes, Ms Amos" cue. I don't believe that it is the same one from the album but it is too polished and mastered to be live. There may even be several slightly different versions that they play in order so as to make one night slightly different from the one previous. Also there are layovers on the track - her ending a phrase as she simultaneously begins to sing "Just the two of us." Backing track? Maybe. But I don't think so. Just too mastered. Plus, to me, It just makes more sense to have it recorded - time, energy, expediency. Personally I don't care if its live or a recording. It's Tori either way. Wondering how you *know* its live Toodles ~ MysT *** << Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:11:09 EST From: Judas658@aol.com Subject: Re: 97 B&C performed live In a message dated 12/9/01 7:02:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, dralimd@mail.com writes: > Are you sure it was live? I was lucky enough to attend a few shows in a row > and they all sound identical to the CD version. I thought they just played > it off the CD as an intro. > Ali She's done it live everyshow this tour except for the first london show, she's singing the vocals over a backing track of the music. and if you dont know now i guess you never will kind words can lead to stray kisses and the baptismal of your flesh with my lips ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:25:23 EST From: ToRiGLosS@aol.com Subject: Re: 97 B&C performed live Actually, in the newspaper review of the show here in Houston they said that she redid the vocals of the song over the music for the concerts, but that they play back the re-recorded version at the start of every show rather than her doing it. (:7.8((*7.8 8.7*()8.7:) +.707. AmY.707.; (8.7:(8.7(* *(7.8):7.8) time is the longest distance between two places - The Glass Menagerie >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:20:41 EST From: RHPSshock@aol.com Subject: Re: Which Tori song are you? I loved this test...cept it made me kinda mad...its one of those tests that gives its results at random. I just care too much about stupid stuff. :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:43:57 -0500 From: strange little woj Subject: Re: 97 B&C performed live when we last left our heroes, Mysterilady2001@cs.com exclaimed: > Yes, about 97 B&C - I went to many shows this tour and I believe, >as do several of my Tori friends, that it is recorded. whereas i thought that it always sounded somewhat different at each of the five shows i got to. obviously, the music is a backing track, so the vocal overlaps that you were talking about, myst, could be from some vox on the tape. i don't really know either way though. >Personally I don't care if its live or a recording. It's Tori either way. same here. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:39:09 -0500 From: strange little woj Subject: tomb offer when we last left our heroes, Lisa exclaimed: >Does anyone know where i can get a copy of the Tori concert from 10-13-2001 (i >think) It was in Upper Darby? If anyone can help me out I would greatly >appreciate it. while i can't help you out with a copy of this show, lisa, this does remind me of something i've been meaning to post about. as some of you may know, keith shapiro has started "the tomb" at . it's a dumb name (an acronym meaning "tori online music bank"), but a good idea: a place on the net where people can download high-quality live tori audience recordings. the trouble is, you need a high-speed connection to effectively download the files and there is a learning curve involved in figuring out how to download with ftp, deal with shorten files, and some other stuff. so, some enterprising toriphiles set up a tree structure (the tori-perma-tree ) so that people who don't have the ability to use the tomb directly could get the shows from people who do. since the perma-tree signups are closed (for now anyways), i've been offering to make copies of the tomb shows as they become available for anyone who wants them over on tori-boot. for some reason, i keep forgetting to make the same offer here (dumb woj!). so, here it is: the 2001 shows that have been tomb-sourced so far are london, west palm beach, clearwater, kissimmee, atlanta and nashville. if anyone here would like any of these shows, drop me a line and we'll work something out. for the most part, i've been doing b&p (blanks and postage) trades where you send me blank media and return postage (in the form of either a self-addressed stamped mailer, stamps or cash), but i can do straight trades as well if you have anything to trade that i'm interested in (be warned: i'm pretty much stocked up on tori, so i'm mostly interested in other artists these days). as new shows become available on the tomb, i'll update the offer. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:18:05 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: More thoughts on the live 97B&C Hi, All: My two cents about this from having seen 27 shows on this U.S. tour, is that she was back there every single night singing '97 Bonnie & Clyde live. I was usually able to pay close attention to it, and if nothing else, I can say that some nights the delivery struck me as being a version I never heard before, and was never heard by me again. It was at one of the first week's concerts that I got cold chills when she delivered the line, "She was bein' mean to dad, and made him real, REAL mad" with such force of anger that it nearly knocked me out of my seat. I never heard this inflection repeated at any later concerts. If they wanted to do one or even several recorded versions, I can't think they would have used ones with what were the clearly discernible sounds of her holding a microphone close to her mouth, none of which--despite the intimacy of the studio vocal delivery--are on the studio recording: it would have been easy to have avoided including those extraneous sounds. (Now, if anyone believes she would have intentionally set out to fool us about this, I'm not even going to entertain such a discussion.) And there were never any overlaps coming from her live microphone. I'm a trained audio engineer and would specifically listening to the live mic to make certain nothing of it could have been recorded, and I never heard anything to give me the impression that her live mic was in fact, actually recorded material. I don't understand what the supposed advantages of her not doing it live every night were to have been. She honestly does tailor each concert for the time and place--after much due consideration--and 97B&C is no less a part of the concert than any other song. I always thought it was obvious she was doing it live or I'd have simply asked Mark one night. None of the regulars at the shows who I know ever thought it was anything but live each night. To me, irrespective of what anyone might expect from her according to the way such things might more typically be done, I have zero question in my mind that she does it every single night: live. That would *totally* be her way, and my ears clearly told me this is what was going on. Just my opinion. Should be easy to figure out, though, once all the live audience recordings are out. Can't say *I'd* bother, but each to their own. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V6 #246 *************************************