From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V6 #213 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, October 31 2001 Volume 06 : Number 213 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Some general tour thoughts [Richard Handal ] Re: Some general tour thoughts [acopperbeechDryad ] Re: some general tour thoughts [Jennifer Mitts Cypres ] Re: some general tour thoughts [acopperbeechDryad ] Re: Epic ["Tom xxxxx" ] just an non important thought. ["Carlos Verrastro" ] Re: Some general tour thoughts ["Kevin Hawkins" ] Fw: Epic ["Daisy Dead Petals" ] Fw: Some general tour thoughts ["Daisy Dead Petals" ] Re: Some general tour thoughts [Talula514@aol.com] the pool ["Aileen Sharkie" ] T.Master not updating sales [JNe9027355@aol.com] okay you guys [ToriLiscious@cs.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:46:43 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Some general tour thoughts Responding to my post, Angelina said: > Thanks a lot for your thoughts on this tour. And thank *you* for the kind words, and for speaking more about where T's head and heart are on this tour. I should have gone into that some myself, but sometimes if I don't stop adding stuff I feel I'll end up with a megabyte-size post. > It is amazing what motherhood has done not only for Tori's > concentration, but her spirit. To me, these setlists show a contentment > with who she is, was, and will be. During the Venus and Back era, I > remember she said that she was becoming fulfilled as a woman. Now I > think she must be becoming fulfilled as a spirit, and I not only find it > warming, but very inspirational. I agree with all of that, Angelina. I know there are some who thought that much of what she does was dependent on her being unsettled--even angry in some fashion, etc. It's not true. Some still prefer the shows where she hits us over the head and the space shuttle goes off in the aisle, and I love those shows a great deal, too, but there are other things to be gotten from these shows besides the rage she seems now to relegate mainly to '97 Bonnie & Clyde. If anyone hoping for lots of fire from their show gets one of the quieter type concerts, I suggest they go with it as best they can and find what's in it to appreciate. Maybe it'll be a mystical show like the one in Philly, or a deeply personal one like in Charlotte. Both were exceptional concerts. Unless there's some extenuating circumstance that night, at this point it's sure to be an amazing thing to behold on some levels. > Tori has helped me through some incredibly rough spots...I am where she > has been, and seeing her where she is now is a very wonderful and > hopeful thing for me. That's fantastic. I, too, find much inspiration in the music, the concerts, the woman--and in many of the people (you guys). What she offers us goes far beyond just being a musician and entertainer. We are blessed to have her around. It's no wonder so many of us love her so much. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:03:47 -0500 From: acopperbeechDryad Subject: Re: Some general tour thoughts Richard Handal wrote: > ... Mark said no, adding: "She's a mother." Some people I told > this to were satisfied with that as an answer--spoke of hormonal changes, > what not--but it remains remarkable to me that she would experience such a > dramatic increase in her ability to concentrate from becoming a mother. perhaps it is not that the increase in concentration is not simply from becomming a mother, but from not having energy constantly tuned to the previous losses she has had in miscarriages, or the fear of it happening again. that in itself takes up a lot of energy. because IMO, although she miscarried a few times, she was already a mother. she just did not have the joy of being able to hold her child. - -- ~ kelley "make a little birdhouse in your soul" ~TMBG _____________________ The Saferoom Project http://www.saferoom.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 06:52:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Mitts Cypres Subject: Re: some general tour thoughts Richard, Wow. You really MUST write Tori concert reviews for Rolling Stone or something like that. All that well-rounded music and Tori knowledge should be shared with more people than just us. I don't know anyone else who is able to follow virtually her entire tour and write such eloquent reviews. I am so happy that you are on this list! Whoever's putting together a high-quality boot from any one of these shows better speak up soon so I can hear what's going on out there with her. This is the first tour I cannot attend. I am dying! (not literally) Someone mentioned a possible new album for Tori next year. Any truth to this rumor? I mean, I know she has to make a transition to a new label and all first before anything new can be produced, but why would anyone assume that a new album would be due out so soon, especially with a daughter to take care of? Speaking of, has anyone seen Natashya on the tour, backstage with a nanny or anything? Tori hugs, jen ===== Q: What do Bin Laden and Hiroshima have in common? A: Nothing, yet. "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt." - -President George W. Bush in response to the question, Why is it taking so long to respond to the terrorist attacks? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:01:00 -0300 From: "Carlos Verrastro" Subject: Wurlitzer/Rhodes Question. Hi guys! Richard sharing his thoughs on the tour left me with a question, What is the difference technically speaking between the Wurlitzer and the Rhodes? Thanks Bye Daniel "May the Faeries Guide U"- Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:25:40 -0500 From: acopperbeechDryad Subject: Re: some general tour thoughts Jennifer Mitts Cypres wrote: > Speaking of, has anyone seen Natashya on the tour, > backstage with a nanny or anything? nope, but did see her parents at one of the DC shows. they seemed well enough, but are looking rather feeble. it was really nice to think of them as grandparents =) good to see you jen!! - -- ~ kelley "make a little birdhouse in your soul" ~TMBG _____________________ The Saferoom Project http://www.saferoom.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:41:47 +0000 From: "Tom xxxxx" Subject: Re: Epic Hi All, the only thing I know about Epic is that the Indigo Girls seem unhappy there right now. From what I understand, once their CD's stopped going multi-platinum, Epic ceased to be interested in promoting them. Don't know if that means anything for Tori or not. toodles, Tom "All the carnage of my journeys makes it harder to be livin' He said, 'It's a long road to be forgiven." Amy Ray, "Chickenman" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:17:04 -0300 From: "Carlos Verrastro" Subject: just an non important thought. Hi guys! Just wanted to share a non important thought. Yesterday while I was going trough some of my books, I was listening to Tori on my headphones. Some books were on Mexican painter FRIDA KAHLO, and I was astonished about how this two women have so much in common, coming from different elements. They both search for the inner truth on the human esence. They are not afraid of being fiercely honest.. They have an unique vision. They are ahead of their of their times. They have created a legion of imitators. I would like to see what you think of this. Bye Daniel "May The Faeries Guide U"- Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:30:25 -0600 From: "Kevin Hawkins" Subject: Re: Some general tour thoughts Great writeup Richard! Though I've only hit two shows so far, I completely agree with you about the musicality of this show. In all honesty, though I knew that Tori was capable of such musical leaps and bounds, I had forgotten what it was like, after the last few years with the band. To me, that's the single most important distinction, and I knew it would be, which is why I did the logistical acrobatics to try to get to more shows than I may have normally worked for. Tori has like 10000% more versatility without the band, which is why she was apprehensive about bringing a band into the mix for so long. It's simply a difficult task to drag a band along on the intricate journey that she takes, and as good as it can be, she is an artist wholly unto herself, and as such it will always be somewhat diminished. It's like Monet telling Pissarro, "Paint that corner of the picture." While both are great artists, it's not really a Monet anymore. This tour to me most mimics the Under the Pink tour, where every night I felt like anything could happen, and usually did. The maturity is evident as well, though. You quantified it much better than I think I could, so I won't go into great detail. She's just so on, even when she's not. My sister and I were talking about how this feels like a farewell tour, I think because it seems like the perfect amalgamation of all the girls into a single coherent thought. Where can she go from here? What more can she say? How much more perfect can she be? I can see where motherhood would explain what you call heightened concentration, and what I think of as heightened comfortability. I was reading an interview with Francis Dunnery not long ago, where he was talking about life in general, and how sometimes, when you really wanted something, rather than push forward to get it, you needed to lean back and let it come to you. Tori has this serenity, this calm confidence and acceptance that I've never seen before in her. I recognize it as a transformation I've seen in a few of my close friends after becoming mothers. I won't, as a man, even attempt to give a reason for it, as it's obviously out of my frame of reference. But it seems to have allowed Tori to be a vehicle for her music even more, if that's possible, and has added a sublime touch to an already astounding performance. I thought about writing reviews to the shows I have seen (Indy and St. Louis), but I didn't feel that I could do them justice. Most of my emotions can probably be summed up in the idea that she did the most beautiful, overwhelming version of "Etienne" in St. Louis that I will ever hope to hear in my entire life...and that's just kind of how this tour is going for me. She wiped me out with "River" in Indy, and I don't care if someone else requested it...that song was played for me; I needed it more than I knew. But she knew. I'm not sure where I'll be with Tori after this tour. We've wound around each other's lives for 10 years now. I always feel like we've grown up together, heading in more or less parallel directions; unlike for many of the Tori fans I know, Tori and her music have never been a savior to me per se, but more like a kindred spirit in the strange journey we're all on. But I feel like something is ending, or completing may be a better word. I don't worry about Tori anymore, and it makes me realize that for all these years, I think I've been trying to see her through as much as she has me. I know that may sound strange, given that we don't hang out or have the kind of relationship that makes you think in those terms, but I've never had any doubt in that spiritual connection out there that I think we both tap into. Call me a raving loon if you like. :) I think Tori has found herself, found her zone. And maybe that's enough for me. I guess we'll see. Anyway, in case there's any doubt, for the list folks, if you can go see her on this tour, do so. It's hard for me to imagine that it could get any better than this. I've been looking for you on this tour Richard! I haven't seen you yet though. Maybe California will yield more success. :) Cheers, Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:24:21 EST From: PiXiELuSt411@aol.com Subject: 1 week! im counting the days. ~!~ Hiya EWF ~!~ How are you all? I am good, Well, I have one week to wait till I get to go see Tori. And one of the girls I love most gets to go with me and I know we are just going to bawl. Hehe.....((I'll fill my bag full of tissues)).....It's been a long time since I've seen her and the last time, she was like a tiny sparkle speckle.....but my eyes are good enough to see she WAS wearing red strappy shoes. aww. :) Anyway after the concert i'll be putting up pix ((hopefully I'll get some)) info on the boot i'll be making and the concert review. Here's my site please go and sign the book! http://www.angelfire.com/ut2/ether An Ether Twist Shana ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:52:58 EST From: Prntr66051@aol.com Subject: Re: Some general tour thoughts In a message dated 10/29/2001 9:52:44 PM Central Standard Time, handal@min.net writes: > I see that T has so far agreed that Precious should take a well-deserved > vacation. > > Unless I am mistaken, I believe she played Precious in St Lois this past weekend, Andy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:20:09 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Whitehead Subject: Re: Some general tour thoughts You are very much mistaken! Precious has not been played on this tour yet. I was in St. Louis and definitely would have remembered that one! Mikewhy On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 Prntr66051@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/29/2001 9:52:44 PM Central Standard Time, > handal@min.net writes: > > > > I see that T has so far agreed that Precious should take a well-deserved > > vacation. > > > > > > Unless I am mistaken, I believe she played Precious in St Lois this past > weekend, > > Andy > Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:19:05 -0600 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: Fw: Epic Jeff Beck, Boston, and Stevie Ray Vaughan, too. Ted Nugent used to be I think??? Daisy Melanie loopgaroo@g2a.net "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - --Issac Asimov > > Does anyone else know more on Epic? > > Some of their more popular and recently successful artists: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:36:24 -0600 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: Fw: Some general tour thoughts Kevin said > I can see where motherhood would explain what you call heightened > concentration, and what I think of as heightened comfortability. (...) >I recognize it as a transformation I've seen > in a few of my close friends after becoming mothers. I won't, as a man, > even attempt to give a reason for it, as it's obviously out of my frame of > reference. Ok, I am a mom of 14 months, and have #2 on the way, so i guess it is within my frame of reference. I am sitting here racking my brain trying to think if my concentration improved. Obviously, since I have gotten preg my concentration has taken a nosedive, but I honestly can not figure for the life of me how motherhood would make one more focused. But, maybe Tori is more focused in her particular profession because she is harnessing a creative force, and nothing is more creative than becoming a mother. Maybe she is on some "fertility goddess plane" or something. That, I could totally see. Becoming a mother does NOT help one concentrate if one's job is in a laboratory, FYI. So I dont believe it is a universal mother hormone of some sort. And if it is, and I got left out, am I gonna be pissed! Daisy Melanie loopgaroo@g2a.net "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - --Issac Asimov ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:27:09 EST From: Talula514@aol.com Subject: Re: Some general tour thoughts Richard, thank you for you post and insights, they were very interesting. Since you have been to so many shows, which one stands out in mind now? Which one was your favorite? I went to the first and second New York shows, and the second one, I think, was much better than the first one. Just my opinion. peace. ~~reese~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 02:36:15 From: "Aileen Sharkie" Subject: the pool Does anyone know the length of the original version of The Pool? Thanks Aileen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 00:19:33 EST From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: T.Master not updating sales I've noticed this a lot--shows will be by far sold-out, that u can be informed of if u can actually get thru n speak to a rep --but elsewhere it claims they're still available--even on the automated recording you first get when u call before u speak to a rep. Whats the deal?! AJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 00:38:16 EST From: ToriLiscious@cs.com Subject: okay you guys hey everyone, saturday nov 3rd is my tori night. unfortunately i can't see more than one show, i'm so bummed.. gotta new job and, well, don't wanna get fired so soon. but, dallas is this weekend and i can't freakin wait. i think all of us that are going to the dallas show should meet up before the show. so.. meet and greet before or after the show, richard? and if before, any approx. time? im about to pee myself and i've still got 3 (if you're all technical about it, 4) days to go. stuff, micah ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V6 #213 *************************************