From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V6 #169 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, September 14 2001 Volume 06 : Number 169 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: my $1.50 [acopperbeechDryad ] Re: dallas show - bronco bowl seating chart help ["Jackson Jaxson" Subject: Re: my $1.50 SatelliteNo2@aol.com wrote: > Don't you realize that after a while if we continue to let everything slip > and shrug it off with, "oh, that's just their culture and we have no right to > judge," that everything will turn into chaos. no one is suggesting that punitive actions should be foregone. they're just saying that violence begats violence. there are other ways that don't have to diminish their beliefs or culture, but pointedly let them know we won't stand for their violence. dont you understand that it is possible to tolerate their culture even in the face them committing horrific acts, devise a unified stand against them, and not "let everything slip"? it's addressing the core root of the cultural differences so that they can see americans as human, worthy of right to life, and NOT as threats to their culture, religion, or beliefs that will stop terrorism. if we cant manage to teach them that we are humans just as they are, and that we are not in opposition to their *core* religious beliefs, nobody has to nuke anybody, OR let anything slip. it's the same mentality toward americans in these terrorist groups as in people who assert that non-whites are biologically and intellectually inferior based on skin color... are we supposed to just kill all people who think that? no. we've had to rebuild the perspective and beliefs from the ground up, and in case you haven't noticed, it's taken DECADES, and we still have a long way to go on that. nobody said it would be pie, just that there are other ways. > I know that maybe > not all of them want to kill us, but it would not particularly upset me much > if the Palestinians all suddenly died. It's a shame that anyone should have > to feel this way about other human beings, but they are evil. They are > dancing around in the streets laughing and having a grand old time, and happy > that so many of us have died. That is pure evil. explain to me please, how not caring if a whole race sudddenly is intentionally wiped out is NOT evil? you dont even know for sure it's them yet you can say that, and then judge what is evil??? LOLOL. explain to me how you can call the terrorists who did this evil, and so eloquently point your gun right back in their faces, out of hatred??? how are they evil for their actions, but you would not be??? > << All we'd end up doing is pissing them off even more and we'd find ourselves > targeted even worse than we already are. >> > Are you going to spend your entire life in fear that you're going to piss > someone off? i dont even see how your remark relates to the original statement. but i suppose that "living in fear of pissing someone off" is somehow worse than the fear that would move someone to wipe out a whole race or nation of ppl, such as you suggested above, when you dont even know they have fouled? > << The only way we can reach any kind of peace is to stop being so arrogant > and respect their space and quit poking them with sticks. >> > > Respect their space? They crashed two planes into the World Trade Center. > They killed nearly 20,000 people. let me count the ways we have disrespected any number of other nations' space, not ONLY by jumping in the middle of their conflicts, but by NOT jumping in when they needed us. this argument breaks down either way. we've all (nations) fucked each other so much it's not even funny. the point is, NO ONE deserves to suffer the loss of innocents in political and economic wars that all of our arrogant governments wage everyday. > << What they did to us on Tuesday ... we've been doing that to them for YEARS. > If we think about the outrage our country is feeling now in terms of > retaliation, how much more rage must they have felt as a people? And for > how much longer? It's sort of surprising that they didn't lash out at us > this badly before now. >> > > We've been killing them? They all kill each other everyday. They throw rocks > at each other like heathens everyday and spend their entire lives hating > others because of their religion. "like heathens"? wow. and that's not exemplary arrogance? *oi* im curious, do you say this about ireland? are you as quick to throw those stones when they can land so close to your own backyard? > Not one of them can go one day without > killing someone or lashing out. And to think, for thousands of years, they've > all been fighting over a strip of desert. perhaps you would care to enlighten them? take some time and actually do some thoughtful homework for yourself. here's a starting point for you: check out www.michaelmoore.com read his "latest message", and open your eyes. - -- ~ kelley acopperbeechDryad FINNatic #69 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ so she woke up from where she was lying still said i gotta do something about where we're going ~U2 running to stand still ___________________ The Saferoom Project http://www.saferoom.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:37:16 -0500 From: "Jackson Jaxson" Subject: Re: dallas show - bronco bowl seating chart help I had no luck with the presale, I just gave up. I'm going to go through a secondary vendor such as Texas tickets or front row tickets...this internet presale needs to stop, it only flusters fans more and more. I have gone through 3 presales including Depeche Mode, Aerosmith, and now Tori...DM and AS where done through ticket bastards and we all know startickets handled the presale for Tori. I have encountered internet congestion with all of the presales, I had them with TM and if TM can't handle the load as big as they are, what made Startickets think they could handle the load? I think we should go back to the old way of ticket sales....camp out overnight and whoever is the most devoted fan (meaning being the earliest there) should be first in line. Granted that is unfair for some, in general it was always in the past the best way for me to get tickets to shows. Just to let you know I do have a fulltime job, and I go to school in the evenings 3 nights a week so don't think for one minute that I'm a teenager with no responsibilities. I have been to over 40 concerts since I was 15 and I'm now 21. I kinda consider myself an expert of some sort concerning ticket buying. I want to also clarify that I am not one of the crazy fans that follow tori for like 50 shows...sorry but you people are crazy...you need help...if you spend your precious life on following tori around the US... I can continue to rant but I will go for now...I have no apologies for my statements in this letter, flame me if you want..I don't care...I'm just telling it like it is.... one other thing, please, if you know anyone who is of Arab-American and Muslim nationality, please don't retaliate against them....they are human..the thoughts of anymore violence and death sickens me... Jaxson ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V6 #169 *************************************