From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V6 #129 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, July 29 2001 Volume 06 : Number 129 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Fw: dislike of tori music ["Daisy Dead Petals" ] Re: dislike of tori music ["Jaxson Jackson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 22:54:07 -0500 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: Fw: dislike of tori music > Karen said: > Not liking a side of a favourite musician is completely valid, and for me > the struggle to hear something that other fans do but I don't is > fascinating. Coming to an understanding of 'Boys for Pele' whilst reading > other people's opinions of it was a wonderful experience. I was also struck > to learn how much '1000 Oceans' was liked by Tori's father and husband. > Such a boring song to me! I'm so glad that other people find beauty in it. > They obviously aren't 'wrong' to like it, but they must love different > aspects of Tori's music and have different musical backgrounds to see the > song so differently. WELL SAID. BTW, I have detested 1000 Oceans from the very first listen. Ack! But you are right, being exposed to music that dosent strike a chord in us can be a learning experience. I think that I got so used to falling in love with every song that Tori did, that when she did a song I didnt like, I felt kind of betrayed! Isnt that childish? How dare she not write an album of songs to please ME! Now, this Bonnie and Clyde thing--all I can think of when I hear it is Sara Cynthia Sylvia Stout. Well, I guess the main character is taking the garbage out. Jeez, now that is sick. Anyway, I never heard the original version (yes I live under a rock, also known as Central Wisconsin). I think that a big part of the impact of the song might be in comparing it to the original. Compare and contrast. Use your no. 2 pencils and fill up a couple of blue books. I have a headache. I never liked Northern Lad much either. But my husband loves it. Daisy Melanie loopgaroo@g2a.net "The way I see it, the men that I'm with, whoever they are, it's like look, you have to accept that I like ice cream, and I know it shows up on my hips but if you can't accept that, then leave.Go away. Toodles. It's non-negotiable." -- Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 10:33:55 -0500 From: "Jaxson Jackson" Subject: Re: dislike of tori music Nicely said Karen, thanks for the most thoughtful letter to everyone. P.S. I love all the albums, but hate her mass marketing by sending different singles, covers, and versions of her albums but having her fans rabidly purchase them like fools thinking they will be worth something in the furture. Just so no one bites me, I was once that fool too! My life is a joke and I'm still waiting for the punchline.... - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Karen Hester" To: Subject: dislike of tori music Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:50:42 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [66.89.201.78] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD2A3B360011400438D34259C94ED3910; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:38:29 -0700 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost)by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id AAA04590;Fri, 27 Jul 2001 00:16:11 - -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 27 Jul 2001 00:15:56 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost)by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id AAA04532for precious-things-outgoing; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 00:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fnord.io.com (root@fnord.io.com [199.170.88.12]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id AAA04501 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 00:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mcurry@localhost) by fnord.io.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f6R4H0j25191 for precious-things@smoe.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:17:00 -0500 Received: from deborah.paradise.net.nz (deborah.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.32]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-jane) with ESMTP id TAA23217 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hesterk (203-96-147-69.tnt9.paradise.net.nz [203.96.147.69]) by deborah.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 96AB41F9EC9 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:55:40 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <002201c1162d$e0b54500$459360cb@hesterk.vuw.ac.nz> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 Sender: owner-precious-things@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk Kia Ora What has dislike of a previous tori period meant to your current love of her work as a whole? My experience is that it ultimately makes my attachment to the music I do love richer. It can be fascinating hearing why someone else who loves a large portion of an artists' oeuvre dislikes an aspect of it - this often reveals more about what we love than a discussion of those positive points does! This isn't the first time that people have felt disappointment. Some people may have felt 'Little Earthquakes' followed traditional expected song structures too closely or was sentimental ... others were sad that 'Under the Pink' wasn't 'Little Earthquakes' ... 'Boys for Pele' shook and confused some fans with its rambling nature, the lyrics using symbols too personal to communicate in their view, songs seeming like experiments rather than finished and polished ... 'Choirgirl Hotel' moved too far from the piano for some, and the ballads seemed sentimental mockeries of earlier piano-based pieces ... 'To venus and back' had a live album which paled next to many people's favourite bootlegs, and a studio album that others saw as the product of a rush. I held and hold some of those opinions, and many others, sometimes in a movement towards loving an album more and more over time, othertimes drifting away as my tastes changed through exposure to later Tori work and the music of the many other musicians I love. Not liking a side of a favourite musician is completely valid, and for me the struggle to hear something that other fans do but I don't is fascinating. Coming to an understanding of 'Boys for Pele' whilst reading other people's opinions of it was a wonderful experience. I was also struck to learn how much '1000 Oceans' was liked by Tori's father and husband. Such a boring song to me! I'm so glad that other people find beauty in it. They obviously aren't 'wrong' to like it, but they must love different aspects of Tori's music and have different musical backgrounds to see the song so differently. Karen _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V6 #129 *************************************