From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V6 #127 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, July 27 2001 Volume 06 : Number 127 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: maybe we interpreted Tori wrong... [Prntr66051@aol.com] SLG ["Richard Austin" ] Re: men and women are different [Shana ] Re: The new album & the trying to be enlightened EWF ["Eric Souliere" ] Frank and matter of fact... ["Shaigirl ..." ] dislike of tori music ["Karen Hester" ] Re: Frank and matter of fact... ["Alana xx" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:25:51 EDT From: Prntr66051@aol.com Subject: Re: maybe we interpreted Tori wrong... where can I hear the first three songs? I have been out of the loop lately and not really following my email very closely. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:51:38 +0100 From: "Richard Austin" Subject: SLG Hi folks, New single out September 3rd in the UK. Album September 17th. Multiple covers - how many ? 12 ? Eek ! RTA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:04:06 -0400 From: Shana Subject: Re: men and women are different Dracovixen@aol.com wrote: > > You'd be amazed at how different men and women really are. Everything you said is "theory". There have been too many different findings to prove anything. I believe men and women are the same. All differences are sociological in nature *not* biological. They are nurture, not nature. Argue all you want about women having babies and needing someone to protect them in the wilderness...that was then, this is now. Now a woman has no need for a man as far as protection. Besides, anything any of us say would just be a generalization and unproveable in any society that has traditions and gender roles (ie every freakin society that exists) Shana She's Gone Andromeda...a Tori Amos Odyssey http://www.goneandromeda.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:50:35 -0400 From: "Eric Souliere" Subject: Re: The new album & the trying to be enlightened EWF <<>> i was wondering the same thing. again, ive never seen tori in concert and im a little skeptical as to whether or not i would like to meet her. i dont know how i would react...im a HUGE rufus wainwright fan and i met him twice, and after that, the "mystery" had kind of died down....ok, well i know im going to want to meet and greet her (if possible) but i just dont know what i would do/say or how i would react. what i have to say to her im sure she's heard a couple times before :-) waiting on that boston show announcement... Eric - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:21:58 -0400 From: "Janet & Jon Haverman" Subject: digital spew *TORI AMOS INTRODUCES 'STRANGE LITTLE GIRLS' TO STORES SEPT 18* Tori Amos' new album, STRANGE LITTLE GIRLS, will surely shock some listeners. The eclectic song-list includes tracks by: Eminem, Slayer, Neil Young, Tom Waits, Lou Reed, Depeche Mode, and many others. But Tori's renditions are not merely covers; this innovative album encompasses 12 songs written by men, but performed by Tori from the perspectives of a diverse cast of female characters. The tracks are then taken apart and put back together darkly, gently, and in an uncompromising fashion. The result is an album which looks at men, the ways men see women, how men see themselves, and how the view changes depending on where you're standing. The first single, Strange Little Girl - written by the Stranglers and originally released in 1982 - will start spinning on radio mid-August. Immediately following the release of the album, Tori will embark on a major cross-country concert tour, slated to begin in Miami on September 28th and conclude in San Francisco on November 21st. http://www.atlantic-records.com/tori_amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:14:11 -0500 From: "Shaigirl ..." Subject: Frank and matter of fact... I've been on (and off) this list for a few years now, though I really don't post that often. I *do* -however- keep up with all the conversation that goes on here. And while I believe in "to each their own" and I really do try to respect other people's opinions (even if they differ from mine)... I think a bunch of you are being just plain S-T-U-P-I-D. Yes, that's right... STUPID. (And no I'm not trying to pick a fight here, though I'm sure many of you are going to throw some fuel to the fire.) So she's doing an album of covers. Big fucking deal. I thought Tori fans loved her cover versions. So they aren't exactly the songs you prefer her to cover. Get over it! Some of you had your minds made up (that you were going to dislike them), way before you ever even heard the songs themselves. If Tori felt enough about this project to make a go of it, it's got to be something special. Granted, not everyone is going to see that. But don't shut the door until you've seen the whole fucking house. This CD still has SEVERAL tracks that we have yet to hear. Maybe once we hear them all together, it'll paint the bigger picture. I just hope most of you get it that chance. Personally, I love "Strange Little Girl" and I think "Heart of Gold" is pretty fucking cool (even though I do agree that it does sound messy). But then again, I've never heard the original versions. I'm still trying to collect my thoughts on "'97 Bonnie & Clyde". It's just... well... different *and* interesting. For those of you complaining about how they're so "unTori like", I just want to say - DUH! They're not her songs!!! (Though I'm still amazed as to how much of herself she really *does* bring to them.) Yup, that's just my two cents. And I'm sure many of you are going to flame me but fuck you, okay? Worship the music, not the musician! And that's really all I have to say about that! Peace, ~Shaigirl shaigirl79@hotmail.com "I know I'll never know nobody better than I know myself but I can't even figure out just what the hell I'm all about." -Bob Schneider _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:50:42 +1200 From: "Karen Hester" Subject: dislike of tori music Kia Ora What has dislike of a previous tori period meant to your current love of her work as a whole? My experience is that it ultimately makes my attachment to the music I do love richer. It can be fascinating hearing why someone else who loves a large portion of an artists' oeuvre dislikes an aspect of it - this often reveals more about what we love than a discussion of those positive points does! This isn't the first time that people have felt disappointment. Some people may have felt 'Little Earthquakes' followed traditional expected song structures too closely or was sentimental ... others were sad that 'Under the Pink' wasn't 'Little Earthquakes' ... 'Boys for Pele' shook and confused some fans with its rambling nature, the lyrics using symbols too personal to communicate in their view, songs seeming like experiments rather than finished and polished ... 'Choirgirl Hotel' moved too far from the piano for some, and the ballads seemed sentimental mockeries of earlier piano-based pieces ... 'To venus and back' had a live album which paled next to many people's favourite bootlegs, and a studio album that others saw as the product of a rush. I held and hold some of those opinions, and many others, sometimes in a movement towards loving an album more and more over time, othertimes drifting away as my tastes changed through exposure to later Tori work and the music of the many other musicians I love. Not liking a side of a favourite musician is completely valid, and for me the struggle to hear something that other fans do but I don't is fascinating. Coming to an understanding of 'Boys for Pele' whilst reading other people's opinions of it was a wonderful experience. I was also struck to learn how much '1000 Oceans' was liked by Tori's father and husband. Such a boring song to me! I'm so glad that other people find beauty in it. They obviously aren't 'wrong' to like it, but they must love different aspects of Tori's music and have different musical backgrounds to see the song so differently. Karen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:55:36 +0800 From: "Alana xx" Subject: Re: Frank and matter of fact... Well said Shaigirl. >If Tori felt enough about this project to make a go of it, it's got to be >something special. That's exactly the point. If Tori felt enough strongly enough to undertake a project like this then it's altogether most likely that there's more to it then what we know already. Granted, not everyone is going to see that. But >don't >shut the door until you've seen the whole fucking house. This CD still has >SEVERAL tracks that we have yet to hear. Maybe once we hear them all >together, it'll paint the bigger picture. I just hope most of you get it >that chance. Nine more tracks to be exact. We've only heard 1/4 of what is on the record and I think the thing with Tori's albums is that they create a picture, or tell a story or at any rate, and are tended to be viewed in their entirety. ALL of the previous albums are viewed in completeness as purveying a mesage of some kind or addressing an issue. I *think* we really need to not only hear ALL the songs, but also to see the characters in the booklet and to read what Neil was written for the songs. This album strikes me as a (much as I hate the word) "concept" album, and I think that perhaps the complete picture with all of the facets of it(and who knows there may be more aspects to this then what we already know)needs to be looked at. OK. I'll shut the fuck up now and I'm really sorry if I offended anyone by posting this, all I'm trying to do is look at Tori's project in a more complete fashion. Maybe when we have all of the information we can form more well-rounded opinions. Bye now, Alana ______________________________________________ I've started to accept the mess I'm in. I know that mess spelled backwards is ssem and I feel much better armed with that information _____________________________~Tori Amos~______ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V6 #127 *************************************