From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V6 #124 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, July 24 2001 Volume 06 : Number 124 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Ok, everyone.. with me.. now... breathe deeply.... [Mysterilady2001@cs.co] Re: Tori Does Dallas ["Eric Souliere" ] Re: precious-things-digest V6 #121 [JNe9027355@aol.com] Re: is there a .....? [MTSkantz@aol.com] things known and unknown [Beth Winegarner ] [none] [yu177211@yorku.ca] Re: Tori Does Dallas [Stephen ] RE : PS ["Richard Austin" ] Re: Strange Little Girls & The Confused EWF ~ ["becka" ] A response to Finney and a question for everyone [Emily Rigdon ] Re: Strange Little Girls & The Confused EWF ~ [acopperbeechDryad ] thoughts on the songs ["becka" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:11:43 EDT From: Mysterilady2001@cs.com Subject: Ok, everyone.. with me.. now... breathe deeply.... Hi ya EWF ~ It's going to be ok everyone. Let's all just take a deep breath and watch a funny, stupid American movie - my recommendations - "Something About Mary", "American Pie" or "Dude, Where's My Car?" All we need is some Franks & Beans & Shibby at Band Camp :-) {{{Hugs to Micah}}} Toodles ~ MysT *LOL! Richard ~ "Spot the piano" - that was GREAT! I ROFLMAO long time :-) **And a bow to Richard Handal who keeps us grounded. (Ennn deeeeennn?) <- pointless "Dude, Where's My Car" reference. *** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:42:45 -0400 From: "Eric Souliere" Subject: Re: Tori Does Dallas didn't it say the bronco bowl theatre? maybe its smaller than a stadium? i could be wrong, never been to dallas, or texas. im sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for an announcement of a Boston show (or two?). Never been to a Tori show, so i am anxious, to say the least. May have to go to NYC as well. for all of you in boston, or familiar with it, im thinking she'll play either the Orpheum or Wang Center? Just my thoughts. Eric - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 04:48:59 EDT From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V6 #121 In a message dated 7/21/2001 10:33:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: > Out of the three songs so > far I don't think I've been able to find the "woman's perspective" in > them at all. WTF? Her woman's perspective is in lieu of saying what it really is : a myopic take on some songs she really likes, probably. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:43:52 EDT From: MTSkantz@aol.com Subject: Re: is there a .....? In a message dated 7/21/2001 1:55:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, david.mobley@usa.net writes: << and personally I hope I'm not the only one who thinks these covers are a load of crap. I thought they were going to be re-interpretations, and not just attempts to clone the songs. Out of the three songs so far I don't think I've been able to find the "woman's perspective" in them at all. WTF? >> You don't see it in 97B&C??? Oh well. I have to agree with you regarding SLG, and I haven't heard Heart of Gold, so I can't comment. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:02:57 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: things known and unknown Just a couple of brief comments. 1) There are two "girls" in "'97 Bonnie and Clyde." 2) "Just the Two Of Us" was originally written by Bill Withers. Beth - -- "This country has a deep fear and mistrust of strong, smart, accomplished, outspoken women unless they are sexy 22-year-olds killing vampires on television." -- Dennis Miller _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._ music reviews + stories + poetry + photography + collage + Watchers selkies + froud-faeries + esoterica + links = http://echoes.devin.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:12:16 -0400 (EDT) From: yu177211@yorku.ca Subject: [none] HI Everyone This is my first post to precious things and I'm sorry that it has to be negative - I'm usually a positive person. Anyways, I know how easy it can be for there to be a backlash against an artist who has changed their style but I have to agree with a lot of you that what I've heard so far is just plain horrible. I think I'm offended, actually, by Tori's rigid notions of sex/gender. To simply imply that a female voice (can we really always tell the sex of a voice?)has a bunch of obvious and shared inherent meanings is both extremely conservative and threatening to those of us who transgress the rigidities of social norms of sex and gender. men and women aren't these inherenlty and vastly different creatures and we don't need tori's help upholding absurd ideas of sexual difference. over and out adam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 06:50:57 -0500 From: Stephen Subject: Re: Tori Does Dallas At 05:14 PM 7/22/2001 -0400, Micah wrote: >i'm sorry, but why the fuck is tori playing in a freakin stadium? >what the G** D*** Fu**??????????????????? >i mean the starplex (now subtley-named smirnoff center) was bad enough! The Bronco Bowl isn't a stadium. It seats about 3,500 people. I've seen her there at least a couple of times and it's the right size for a Tori show. The only problem is, since the seating is sort of horseshoe shaped, you can get seats on the wrong side of the stage and just have a view of Tori's back for most of the concert cause her piano is facing the other way. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:51:29 +0100 From: "Richard Austin" Subject: RE : PS Richard Handal wrote : "The tour is Tori solo with keyboards. The Atlantic press release said the "shows will feature Tori alone at her keyboards . . ." I am expecting a panoply of synthesizer activity, but that's just guessing. And when she did that handful of piano shows at the end of 1999 she showed she is perfectly capable of creating valid new arrangements for band songs using only piano--even if she had to bang the strings with her bare hands to do it." I fully agree with Tori's ability in this area. The thing that made me doubt is that the new songs would require a deal of sequencing/midi triggers that would fix the songs structurally. To a musician that likes songs to "breathe" that would be a strange move. I can see a lot of the songs as solo arrangements but some look a bit "tricky". I know she's triggered samples and even worked to a backing tape occasionally (eg God, Talula) but where it is possible to trigger samples according to musical drift, a midi sequence would lock it all down. I was speaking from a musical standpoint rather than the instruments themselves. "One thing I've well learned over the years is there is often a twist to things that makes many prior assumptions moot once all the facts are known." Absolutely ! No amount of (however intelligent/informed) speculation will ever be a substitute for certain knowledge. We'll just have to wait and see - - I'm looking forward to it. All the best, Richard _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:18:36 -0400 From: "becka" Subject: Re: Strange Little Girls & The Confused EWF ~ i have a much more longer indepth post coming forth aobut my feelings about SLG... but just for this point about the negativity floating here about the album. my f*cking god people.. i know everyone likes to bitch about things they don't like... but tori is an artist.. AN ARTIST... if she somehow feels that she can capabley cover these songs to make an artistic statement that expresses HER view on things, then power to her.... all contract expiring aside.. if she thought somewhere that this album was a bad idea and going to be total shit in her standards.. i don't think she'd have recorded and soon to be releasing it. like someone said.. she's an adept student in the industry.... and she will always have her following.. but with every album she does since UTP... with a lot of people, "it's not been tori, or that's so not tori.. etc.." LET HER EXPLORE HER CREATIVITY! if she didn't do that, or push the envelope with certain things, she'd just be another britney or christina... i personally love SLG, even tho it is a bit poppy for what i consider tori.. but it's really growing on me.. i've listened to b&c many times now.. and YES I CAN HERE/FEEL the woman's perspective.. but i choose not to listen to it on repeat because it does skeer the crap out of me. let her do her thing..you all that just *HATE* SLG, will just have to learn to like it, or not... you don't like it, too bad... don't listen...but please lets not have 57439582037458943207594805743982504735983205743 two line letters on how much you think the album is crap...and that's it's so not tori... lets see some indepth thinking about the songs we've had the priveledge of hearing so far....once again people, she's growing and evolving.. she can't do LE for the rest of her life.. ~~katz.. ps. save your hate mail... i just dump the crap in the junk box.. you're negativity doesn't impress me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:42:11 -0500 From: David Mobley Subject: Re[2]: crappy songs Sunday, July 22, 2001, 5:33:33 PM, you wrote: Fac> First off...how the heck would you 'hear' a female perspective in a song??? Fac> The female voice is there and I bet you get to understand the female Fac> perspective when you read the stories or whatever Neil and tori are writing. could have helped if she'd changed the lyrics to not call herself 'daddy' in 97 bonnie and clyde for starters. If the songs are sung from the perspective of a man, then singing them as written doesn't convey much but a different delivery, and hardly a perspective. perhaps I just had different expectations when I read the words "interpretation" in a press release. My thoughts on interpretation tend to lie in the artist does more than re-perform the song. I don't think that Tori did much beyond using her own instrumentation, which can arguably be an interpretation, but the musical arrangement doesn't really convey much of a different perspective on a song if you ask me, when the meaning was behind the lyrics. But hey, maybe it's just me. Fac> Second...yeah...strange little girls..sounds a little upbeat.."pop"?..i doubt Fac> that. Fac> and b&c..well yeah that is a bit dull....the story and her voice, I think she Fac> totally got what she wanted out of the song..to make all those punks who Fac> 'dance' to eminems song..to take another look at the lyrics...scared the f**k Fac> out of me. Fac> She's not looking to make a huge hit out of that song..to me, just a Fac> statement..a in-your-f*ckin-face-statement. I didn't think that 97 bonnie and clyde was even a released single, and I'm not sure how much of a 'statement' is being made with her remake of it. I mean it sounds creepy I suppose, but it didn't really do much for me. Unfortunately I'm one of "those kinda people" who thought that the original was pretty retarded and not really worth a second listen, and I don't give much to her remake of it. I almost shudder to think that she might go and do something rash and end all her concerts with it this fall. I'm inclined to agree with the "last album on the contract" idea, since Tori could have made a much bigger statement (in my opinion) if she wrote entirely new songs based on the songs on the album, rather than fancy covers. and for what it's worth, i like neil young, and I'm absolutely appalled at how terrible the cover sounds, it's almost like she's parodying the song with the attempted guitar arrangement. I'm used to Tori being "girl with the piano" and not this kind of thing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:32:22 +0000 From: Emily Rigdon Subject: A response to Finney and a question for everyone Finney dear, I have to disagree with some of your interpretation of Tori's message with some of the covers. Firstly, I wanted to ask why should you rail on this guy about semantics - i.e. "how the heck would you 'hear' a female perspective." (Either that or you are railing about that or attacking him for being a male and therefore unable to 'hear' the female perspective - which hopefully that is not the case.) By 'hear' he probably meant 'feel' some sort of female view, which I believe you really can do that in a lot of her other covers - Losing My Religion, Smells Like Teen Spirit, Famous Blue Raincoat, etc. I agree that taking (well it was not 'another' but a first) look at Eminem's lyrics through Tori's song was horrifying. But I don't think she was making a huge "in your f-ing face" statement with that song, but more of a "let's explore this casually accepted pain and hate and violence, particularly because it is so casually laid on a female, within this man's response to his wife's affair." That's how I interpret it. Also, particularly because I feel I realized that Tori is not so motivated by a sort anger over the treatment and position of women - AS IT RELATES TO FUNDAMENTAL SEXISM ISSUES that I believe are at the root of the problem of a lot of women's issues. (Don't misunderstand me please - she is OBVIOUSLY deeply pained and versed - probably angered - in the destruction of and violence against women.) But that she is motivated to explore issues of pain and violence and the mental perspective/anguish resulting therefrom. A discussion of this follows below.... However, I understand the other man's disappointment with the tracks. With Heart of Gold, for the first time I think I can say I liked/related to the original over Tori's version. While I appreciate the work of 97 B&C, I feel it lacks in musical interest to keep me listening over and over to the song, as I have done with all her other albums. But that's just how I feel (and will patiently wait for the B-sides). ********************************************************************** ON FEMINISM AND TORI... I am someone whose idea of female empowerment was really molded by Tori's ideas...by the power of her music. I started listening to her in middle school (I'm now 21), which was an age at which your worth is judged by your image and by the most vicious Cornflake Girls you'll ever meet in your life. Really, at that difficult age for me and with her music and other important people in my life, I was able to flush out a new idea of female self-worth that went beyond all that crap. While I was -and am- very much enchanted with her other-wordly, passion-ridden piano MAGIC that just **flows** from her hands in a powerful way, in a powerful FEMALE way... [Enchanted is definitely a good word for it, I think.] I've had a rude awakening recently as I've grown up and moved away from my small town where my only escape was the one-record-store-from-which-I-ordered-many-Tori-boots-for-high-prices- ($30-$80)-for-which-I-carefully-saved-my-babysitting-money. I survived teenage angst, grew up, moved away from home to college and surived my homesickness and loneliness listening to her music. My recent rude awakening was that: *SHOCK* the goddess whose world view I idealized and internalized in some part of me was NOT a self-identified feminist. In faithfully reading the valiant efforts by the list moderator of Tori Quote of the day, I've read my share of Tori's anti-feminist quotes, such as, "It's not enough to be a feminist these days, you've got to be a whole person." I know what she's saying. I do. I've met feminist authors who want to make an all-female race; I've read the SCUM manifesto. The truth is that most don't - and the word "feminist" is tainted by the few who do. But just because I understand that females to this day continue to do and are expected to do 2/3 of the world's work with much, much less compensation and that in the U.S. they earn 70 cents to men's dollar for comparable jobs and that most insurance companies pay for Viagra but not birth control pills, and where the heck are all the female CEOs (or government officials for that matter) if gender doesn't really matter? - and scream and yell about these things and don't shave...doesn't mean at the end of the day I don't come home and cherish and care for my boyfriend. I could go on and on about these things - but I just deleted the list I typed - because I don't want to start an "issue war" on a Tori list. But I'm wondering whether any others have had a similar experience in your awakening of conscienceness about female issues and your conflicting feelings because of your adoration for Tori's music. I have a friend at another university here in town who coincidentally has (we found out we had attended almost all the same shows!!), and we had a very interesting conversation. much love to all of you - emily r. Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:33:33 EDT From: Finney2567@aol.com Subject: Re: crappy songs In a message dated 7/22/01 4:17:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Icicle1139@aol.com writes: << I am shocked and disappointed at the lack of quality, as well as that I hear exactly NO female perspective in these songs. >> First off...how the heck would you 'hear' a female perspective in a song??? The female voice is there and I bet you get to understand the female perspective when you read the stories or whatever Neil and tori are writing. Second...yeah...strange little girls..sounds a little upbeat.."pop"?..i doubt that. and b&c..well yeah that is a bit dull....the story and her voice, I think she totally got what she wanted out of the song..to make all those punks who 'dance' to eminems song..to take another look at the lyrics...scared the f**k out of me. She's not looking to make a huge hit out of that song..to me, just a statement..a in-your-f*ckin-face-statement. - -Finney....opinion "If you have come to help me, you are wasting your time. But if you have come because your liberation is wrapped up in mine, then let us work together." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:46:18 EDT From: UnderH20thing@aol.com Subject: Re: Strange Little Girls & The Confused EWF ~ Thanks for saying everything I have been thinking. I am just an observer on this list so I really don't say much....esp. respond to close-minded people. I am in full agreement. If you don't like it, don't listen...just listen to LE for the rest of your life. Katz, thanks for speaking up. I am in full agreement. ...till next time see you in the dreamtime.. Glitter Girl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:57:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Amelia Subject: Re[2]: crappy songs If she changed any of the lyrics, she'd be facing copyright law. Look at _The Wind Done Gone_, the _Gone with the Wind_ parody. I don't believe she really CAN change any of the lyrics without facing a court battle. It's one thing to write a whole new song commenting on another song, but to the best of my knowledge, you can't take someone else's work and change a few of the lyrics. > >could have helped if she'd changed the lyrics to not call herself >'daddy' in 97 bonnie and clyde for starters. If the songs are sung >from the perspective of a man, then singing them as written doesn't >convey much but a different delivery, and hardly a perspective. > _____________________________________________________________ BUST Magazine: For Women with Something to Get Off Their Chests Subscribe at http://www.bust.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:35:14 -0400 From: acopperbeechDryad Subject: Re: Strange Little Girls & The Confused EWF ~ > Eminem is seen as a hero, young men want to be like him. I seriously > thought Tori was going to portray the wife and her pain - she did not. > I am saddened & disappointed. while i understand your point, imnot convinced we weren't a little misled by the initial media surrounding this CD. articles dint overtly state this, but they left the impression that the CD would take songs by men, with male voices, in which women were victimized and tori would portray *a* female voice in them. that doesnt account for "i dont like mondays" in which a woman is the perp... so, again, while i can understand what your saying of tori's presentation (although i disagree), the hype surrounding the CD seems to have been misleading IMO. - -- ~ kelley acopperbeechDryad FINNatic #69 ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ so she woke up from where she was lying still said i gotta do something about where we're going ~U2 running to stand still ___________________ The Saferoom Project http://www.saferoom.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:04:17 EDT From: Finney2567@aol.com Subject: Re: A response from Finney to whoever reads this stuff..... In a message dated 7/23/01 7:46:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ewrigd0@engr.uky.edu writes: << Firstly, I wanted to ask why should you rail on this guy about semantics - i.e. "how the heck would you 'hear' a female perspective." (Either that or you are railing about that or attacking him for being a male and therefore unable to 'hear' the female perspective - which hopefully that is not the case.) By 'hear' he probably meant 'feel' some sort of female view, which I believe you really can do that in a lot of her other covers - Losing My Religion, Smells Like Teen Spirit, Famous Blue Raincoat, etc. >> Attacking him for being male...bwahahaha..didn't even check to see what gender the poster was..that is just funny. Hey all I'm saying is...perspective..I'm not going to get it out of a song...give me something to read. See now you just mentioned all the cover songs tori does with the Piano... you get more emotion.... more feelings out of a piano than you do with a full out band. So no one's jumping down anyone's back... and b&c..i still think it is a dull song..did i not say that, I think I did. But i think the lyrics are f. up...and are in you face. Tori's the one who mentioned people 'dancing' to it..not me. >>>>However, I understand the other man's disappointment with the tracks. With Heart of Gold<<<< Did I even mention heart of gold? Cause I wasn't commenting on that....perspective..if the man hates tori's version he hates it...I'm not complaining...never heard her version yet. >>>>hat's how I interpret it. Also, particularly because I feel I realized that Tori is not so motivated by a sort anger over the treatment and position of women - AS IT RELATES TO FUNDAMENTAL SEXISM ISSUES that I believe are at the root of the problem of a lot of women's issues. (Don't misunderstand me please - <<<< Ya lost me...haha.. My problem is ....I'm just here for the music..not really what tori's logic was behind it. That was cool and all you defending the other poster..I was probably a bit harsh..but ya know it all my opinion..I'm not talking facts. peace out - -Finney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:48:12 EDT From: Rayzengirl@aol.com Subject: the female perspective thing... i've been on this lust for a while and am usually one to just kinda lurk about and listen to everyone's opinion, but i just thought i'd share my feelings on this one. personally, i think tori misspoke when she said these songs were done from a "female perspective." i agree with those of you who don't quite see it in these songs. what i think tori is really doing with these songs is just getting us to maybe hear the message a little differently by having these songs sung by a woman. does this make sense? she's not necessarily showing a female perspective, just showing how different the song can be when done by someone of another gender. b+c is a big example of that. i don't see a female perspective in that song. all she did was strip it down and make the listener hear how disturbing a song it is when eminem's upbeat background is replaced by her creepy strings and whispering. any thoughts? toodles, The Rayzengirl - ------- - ------- "We've got to lighten up on the whole savior bit, folks. You know, get off the cross, we need the wood." Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:30:24 +1000 From: "Jasmina" Subject: short replies Hiya, i've never posted here b4 just been laying low for a while but i will now respond to some things- >Hi again, >Follow up to my last post having listened to "Heart of Gold" now too. >As Johnny Lennon once said "Here's another clue for you all" ... >Anybody played "Spot the Piano" on the new tracks ? >And the tour is .... Solo Piano. i've been thinking the exact same thing since hearing the new songs, but then most of what i've been hearing is negative about the new songs and not many people liking them so i don't see what problem they should have b/c then perhaps she'll be playing a lot of her older LE and UtP work, pity though about the tours i'm in Aus and I sure hope she does tour down here >Does Spivak stick with Tori as she moves to another record label or is he Atlantic >employed? I don't think spivak is employed by atlantic - he also managed a perfect circle who signed with Virgin records >(Think tori could be in the process of starting her own label?) i thought she did have her own label, i saw something about it on the dent yesterday when i was browsing the site, can't remember what its called but according to the dent there is one artist signed to it ><< . A bad song is a bad song, and it is quite a feat to >take such a gorgeous song like Heart of Gold and turn it into such a wreck. >If these are the stand-out tracks, then God help us all. > >Yeah and also...speak for yourself.. >I actually like what I have heard already. :P God help me. I too like the new songs, they are different, which is cool and they are all different to each other, SLG is a sweet little poppy tune, 97 B&C is a strange, spooky tune that should be featured on a horror flick, and Heart of Gold is so rock which is different, and as for not hearing any of the tunes from the female's perspective - how can you not get it, B&C is so from a female perspective, i think, even though it is not maternal there is female perspective there, later jas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:31:36 -0400 From: "becka" Subject: thoughts on the songs wooo!- myst! i love your posts.. because they're of content.. and they make ya think and/or laugh at times... i downloaded 97 b&c yesterday.. i listened to it for a second.. called my friend in to listen, started the song over and we listened in it's entirety... i was rightly creeped out.. FIRSTLY because i tend to avoid eminem like the plague, i've met the man(i lived in the area he is from*please note.. it's not the badass hood he'd like all to believe it is.. it's quite nice actually*), and to somewhat quote shania, "he don't impress me much", SECONDLY.. his lyrics disgust me. but anyhooos.. onto the other stuff... i think i might be one of the only ones hearing it from the woman's point of view... i **CAN** hear it....when listening.. to me.. it was like the woman telling me.. what her (ex)husband was doing.. and telling her daughter about her mother, etc.....and if you are empathtic enough, you can almost hear.. in the breathiness of her voice.. a underlying rage and disbelief....but another thing i get from it as well.. perhaps because of the song's pace and "dreaminess" sound of tori's voice..is a sense of "detachment", which ties in with the disbelief feeling a bit.. it's like, i hear you saying this to my daughter, telling her lies, covering up what you did to me, but it's beyond me doing anything about it.. like you can almost feel her reaching out but having a glass wall seperating her.... ok to the song.. the beginning where she's saying "i'm here for you, no matter what happens, you're all i got in this world i'd never give you up for nothing. nobody in this world is gonna ever keep you from me, i love you"etc.. i see this as the WOMAN saying this to her daughter... near the end of the song, where there's the "me and my daughter", then the more forceful "me and *MY* daughter".. i see the first one as the husband saying it, then the woman, then the man again. having the last word, of saying almost as if he could her her protest, of like haha-no-sorry.. "me and my daughter", because you're no longer in the picture... but that's my two cents.. after listening to the song.. my very NON tori friend was like wow.. that was really creepy.. and i said well tori's new album is covers and she's trying to convey the woman in the song's emotions.. and she made me play it again.. and had almost nearly the same thoughts as me..so even the NON-tori people can find it too.. if they truely *listen*. now these are just my feelings so far on the album.. like i said just recently.. i really do enjoy SLG.. everyone needs some sort of ear candy.. and if my ear candy can be tori.. yah for me.. everyone deserves it.. i've been listening to heart of gold.. and while i love the original.. i don't think this is the disaster everyone is making it out to be.. please remember.. not everyone remakes a song, and has it be the way everyone loves it to be.... but some of us.. just may end up liking the new HofG.. in their own way... ~~cheers~ becka p.s. myst! i realized that my recent post had your original subject line in it.. i forgot to change it.. :( it wasn't against you in any way.. i love your posts*L*S* http://devoted.to/katz ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V6 #124 *************************************