From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V6 #109 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Saturday, July 7 2001 Volume 06 : Number 109 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: tori on tour [the other white meat ] Re: Bonnie & Clyde-Empathy for Her Husband [SatelliteNo2@aol.com] Re: Bonnie & Clyde-Empathy for Her Husband [Mikewhy ] :::grin::: (this is MysT stoked) [Mysterilady2001@cs.com] Re: Bonnie & Clyde-Empathy for Her Husband [SatelliteNo2@aol.com] Re: Bonnie & Clyde-Empathy for Her Husband [violet@torithoughts.org] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 09:23:22 -0400 From: the other white meat Subject: Re: tori on tour >I thought that seeing the size of Eckerd Hall and how small it is that she >was going to do smaller venues....I'm confused about why you think that >you're hypothesis was crap.... the fact that she played both the palace (the small venue) and the oakdale (the big venue) in connecticut, as well as ruth eckerd hall, in 1996, means that there isn't a pattern there which supports my idea (that she is playing smaller venues this tour vs. previous solo tours in '96 and '98). at least as far as this small sample of venues goes. woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:32:33 EDT From: SatelliteNo2@aol.com Subject: Re: Bonnie & Clyde-Empathy for Her Husband In a message dated 7/6/01 8:44:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Xprtyoninsidex writes: << this quote is describing the song, not tori's views >> Yes, I know that, I read the entire article. I asked why, she herself, might have empathy for her murderer. The person who wrote the article said that the song expresses empathy for the murderer. So, she must have expressed empathy, in her version of the song, for her murderer. Why would she feel empathy for someone who has murdered her? Empathy is the experiencing of one's own of the feelings of another. This strikes me as being one of the most interesting & introspective parts of her version of the song. And I was interested in hearing others' interpretation of this. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 00:18:46 -0400 From: Mikewhy Subject: Re: Bonnie & Clyde-Empathy for Her Husband >Did anybody else have trouble >understanding what exactly she meant in that quote?, "It's a chillingly calm >account that, while not defending the brutal husband, has empathy for him." I am convinced that this is a misquote in that L.A. Times article. It does not fit with the rest of the article or her comments elsewhere im the piece. I would be willing to bet money on this! Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com A Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => "my fear is greater than my faith" Tori Amos - Suede - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 04:05:24 EDT From: Mysterilady2001@cs.com Subject: :::grin::: (this is MysT stoked) (-: Hi ya EWF :-) I'm sooooooo jazzed :-) This is such a sooo great. :-) (Why am I typing like a 13 year old???) I just rented "The Virgin Suicides" The film is of the Moi generation. Clothes, hair & OMG! OMG! OMG! The MUSIC! ala: 10cc's "I'm not in Love". I'm so excited that she's covering this. Wonder if she'll have a hunky man whispering - "Be quiet - Big Girls Don't Cry, Big Girls Don't Cry..." And the UK's (my soon to be home :-) favorite Son - Bob Geldof's Love Anthem " I Don't Like Monday's" How freaking bitchen' would it BE IF Tori looked like Paula in the dressed up pic for THAT song... That's a mixed bag for ya. Hell, uhhh, Bob's a gentleman and won't talk trash about Paula, (there are children involved), but how much lavish fun would it be if a certain redheaded friend of Bob's... HEY, shoot me! Paula was a NuT! "She wants to play with her toys awhile" Did you know "toys" can spawn children named TigerLily? PLUS, there's this cover: "Happiness Is A Warm Gun" The line: "I need a fix 'cos I'm goin' down" Written by Lennon & McCartney, it could have been mistaken for a Tori line in a blink. The woman has a good eye :-) It's all downright rejuvenating isn't it! Anyone else GIDDY with excitement??? The *thinking woman's refreshment* Toodles ~ MysT *Today was Tamale Man Day - the BEST cheese tamales in the I.E. (Though Jim was not a fan when he sampled TM's wares, I like Thursday's.) :Note to Jim - We MUST find a decent Mexican restaurant in Glos vicinity: *** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 21:48:14 EDT From: SatelliteNo2@aol.com Subject: Re: Bonnie & Clyde-Empathy for Her Husband In a message dated 7/6/01 4:19:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, a_very_particular_faerie@yahoo.com writes: << she probably knew it would happen and that he would kill her in some way at some time...whether emotionally or otherwise... >> Then she should have left him long before he killed her. << but she feels his pain... >> She felt a lot more than that. What about her pain? What a selfish terd Eminem is. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:36:55 -0700 From: violet@torithoughts.org Subject: Re: Bonnie & Clyde-Empathy for Her Husband SatelliteNo2@aol.com wrote: >Did anybody else have trouble understanding what exactly she meant in >that quote?, "It's a chillingly calm account that, while not defending >the brutal husband, has empathy for him." She's basically saying that while she doesn't support what the husband did, she is able to put herself in his place and see the emotions that he was feeling -- frustration, rage, anger, hate, jealousy, hurt. Let's say one of your co-workers gets really angry with your boss because he made them come in to work on a Saturday. You would probably be able to understand their anger even if you hadn't ever had any problems with the boss yourself. But if your co-worker dealt with their anger by punching your boss in the face, you wouldn't have to support the violence to still be able to understand why they were feeling angry. That would be empathy. You don't necessarily have to agree with a person's point of view or actions to look at a situation from their perspective. To put things in very basic terms (this is how I keep it straight for myself, at any rate), empathy is when you try to see things from the other persons point of view. It's fairly detached and rational. Sympathy requires more of an emotional investment. When you sympathize with someone, you feel the actual emotions that that person feels. If your best friend's father dies and you feel great grief and sorrow, that is sympathy. If someone you barely know tells you their father recently died, you would probably feel bad for them and say, "Oh, I'm so sorry," but you wouldn't grieve. That would be empathy. I don't know if this will clarify, but I hope it helps some. :) Violet xoxox ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V6 #109 *************************************