From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V6 #54 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, March 25 2001 Volume 06 : Number 054 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Tori Trivia ~ [VioletLilith@aol.com] Re: Mermaid lyrics / SATY - abortion ["Ma'ayan Or" > tori means "bird" in japanese, i think! *jen* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 03:51:16 +0200 From: "Ma'ayan Or" Subject: Re: Mermaid lyrics / SATY - abortion Ok, first of all - hi everyone - I'm new to this list and this is the first time I post. I'm in the military and I only get home every 2 weeks so you won't be hearing from me too often, but I will do my best to catch up with you guys on my weekends home. So - here are my 2 cents on the mermaid thing: "So what if I'm a mermaid in these jeans of his with her name still on it" As I see it, maybe she refers to an unability to move. A mermaid has a tail instead of legs and she's uncapable of walking. Maybe she means 'I am your captive, in a way, even though you have someone else in mind'... Another thing - in the story The Little Mermaid, if I recall it correctly, the mermaid gives up her voice. And SATY is about finding one's voice... Just MHO Bye! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 04:36:49 EST From: Cindy2Love@aol.com Subject: does joe bring flowers to marilyn's grave Does anybody ever find themselves suddenly understanding even just a few lines or a word or something in tori's songs? Like I'll be watching a movie, or reading a book, or seeing a billboard and going oh my gosh I understand that now! And it happens a lot - at least to me. She just amazes me all the time. Father Lucifer is one of my favorite tori songs. So much that someone made me a cd compilation of 20 different live versions of that song. It sounds silly, but you guys understand that right? :-) Since we were talking about lines we love so much before... I love the line "Does Joe bring flowers to Marilyn's Grave" We've had this discussion before I know.... Okay and maybe I'm so *ignorant* and every single tori fan knew this except me, but when I first picked up BFP I had no idea who joe and marilyn were.... Then one day like months after BFP came out I had to go to the dentist for a little check up and you know how they have all those magazines in the waiting room. I happened to pick up a magazine with Joe DiMaggio on the cover and I was reading the article which talked a lot about his romance with Marilyn Monroe and I happened to read this: During the wedding Marilyn carried three orchids, and when they quickly withered in the heat, she asked Joe, if she died before him, would he place flowers at her grave every week, as William Powell had done for Jean Harlow. The star Marilyn was most often compared to and whom she deeply admired. Joe promised that he would. For 20 years following her death, Joe DiMaggio sent red roses to Marilyn's grave three times a week. By the time they called me in to see the dentist I was all teary eyed and the hygienist was like "Oh don't worry there's nothing to be afraid of." She thought I was scared about seeing the dentist. But here I was all "oh my god that tori line is so beautiful!" Okay maybe I'm the only person who does that..... But does anyone have any thoughts on these lines? everyday's my wedding day though baby's still in his comatose state I'll die my own Easter eggs don't go yet I'm just curious what you guys think. Some of you have so many fascinating things to say about the songs :-) Here's some more info I have collected on Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe in case anyone is interested.... The glamorous movie star and the baseball superstar: Norma Jean and the Yankee Clipper looked great in the photos, but Marilyn and Joe were married for only nine months. Apparently, it was long enough for DiMaggio to remain devoted to her memory years after her death. Article: Joe Directs Marilyn's Funeral After Monroe's divorce to playwright Arthur Miller in 1961, Monroe seemed to become lost and depressed. She fell in with singer Frank Sinatra's Rat Pack. Joe had heard the rumors that Monroe also had affairs with both Robert and John F. Kennedy. Yet, near the end of Monroe's life, Joe and Marilyn were spending time together again. DiMaggio told his friends that the two were going to get remarried. Former DiMaggio teammate Jerry Coleman remembers seeing the two together in the last few years of Marilyn's life. "I was doing shows in New York and I was walking down Park Avenue to get to my car. And I saw this couple coming down and Joe's got his head up in the air and his arm around Marilyn. And they're just day-dreaming along and never even saw me. And so, I didn't bother to stop and say 'hello.' I thought he was happy as he was, leave him alone." Any hopes were crushed on August 4, 1962, when DiMaggio received the news that Marilyn Monroe was dead. She died alone. Authorities at Monroe's house didn't know what to do or who to call, as Monroe had no family. So they called DiMaggio. DiMaggio stepped in and orchestrated his ex-wife's funeral. DiMaggio barred the public and almost all the Hollywood glitterati -- producers, directors and actors -- from the funeral. The studio executives tried to convince DiMaggio that they and their people should be at the funeral. DiMaggio gave his reply. "Tell them," said DiMaggio, "if it wasn't for them, she'd still be here." According to the account of the funeral printed in the "New York Times," DiMaggio bent down to Monroe, saying "I love you. I love you." For two decades, DiMaggio had flowers delivered to Marilyn's grave three times a week. "I firmly believe," said Brad Dexter, "that all the years that [DiMaggio] made those visitations to her grave site and left flowers. . . he was still in love with her, but also [did it] out of a great sense of guilt. Because I think he helped contribute to her demise. I'm firmly convinced that if he had behaved differently, they would have had a good marriage. He destroyed it -- and he felt that guilt." Clips from various sources: Marilyn was buried with Joe DiMaggio's flowers in her hands In the end, it was Joe DiMaggio who arranged her funeral, where he cried openly. Despite their short marriage, DiMaggio's love for Marilyn seemed undying. When he married Marilyn Monroe, DiMaggio might as well have been fulfilling his destiny. The marriage, though brief and stormy, would endure as a legendary love story. It didn't matter that we would learn much later that DiMaggio, given to dark moods, could be cold toward the unstable Monroe. We liked the story better of the flowers he delivered to her grave. While we could not confirm that Joe DiMaggio visited Marilyn's grave every anniversary, we did find signs of his very private attachment to her memory. His New York Times' obituary mentions that he refused many offers to write his autobiography, so that he wouldn't have to publicly discuss his relationship with Marilyn Monroe. Oh and........ There's some really SPECTACULAR excerpts from the book - Joe DiMaggio: The Hero's Life by Richard Ben Cramer - being shown right now documenting their relationship at this website...It's wonderful! Look at it if you're interested :-) http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/dimaggiobook4th.html Much Love, ~~*Cindy*~ ****************************** I won't say goodbye only see you in the dreamtime Tori Amos ****************************** ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V6 #54 ************************************