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precious-things-digest     Tuesday, March 13 2001     Volume 06 : Number 046



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Tori Trivia ~                                      [Mysterilady2001@cs.com]
  visit this site                                        [Cindy2Love@aol.com]
  Hidden Tracks ~                                    [Mysterilady2001@cs.com]
  Re: one more thought on pro widow           ["molly" <mollyk@stanford.edu>]
  Re: pro widow                                             [Yessaid@aol.com]
  Re: Mermaid lyrics / SATY - abortion  [acopperbeechDryad <copperbeech@nc.r]

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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 03:50:29 EST
From: Mysterilady2001@cs.com
Subject: Tori Trivia ~

Hi ya EWF ~ 

       It's Monday so I thought we'd start our week with a trivia question -

What is the shortest in duration CD made
by Atlantic with Tori exclusively on it?
And how long is it?

Hint: It's a Promo.
 
                 Enjoy Toodles ~ MysT

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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 04:50:54 EST
From: Cindy2Love@aol.com
Subject: visit this site

Hi all :-)

J'ason has put a lot of hard work into collecting a lot of the quotes I 
placed in my  email about pro widow....I don't want to take credit for 
finding those quotes...Check out his lovely and very informative Tori Amos 
site:

The Toriphoria web site:

members.aol.com/yessaid/index.htm

Much love,
~~*Cindy*~

******************************
I won't say goodbye
only see you in the dreamtime
Tori Amos
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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 03:43:30 EST
From: Mysterilady2001@cs.com
Subject: Hidden Tracks ~

Hi ya EWF & Audrina ~

     Gosh, that 'lil song of Alanis's is unnamed by her - so me & 
my brood call it "Stalker Song" LOL!!! In it Alanis breaks into a 
mans home and goes through his things, sleeps in his bed, helps 
herself to his shower etc. Then the poor dear finds a love letter 
from another woman to the man & she cries. Vocally its fab as 
it showcases her talents through its acapella medium. Alanis 
performed it several times on tour when I saw her with Tori on 
the 51/2 Week Tour. The Alanis crowd generally quieted down 
during it - as if it has some deep meaning. Personally, I think its 
a fun song - we love to sing to it & generally make fun of it. So 
look for Stalker Song on Jagged Little Pill.  Note: You have to 
play the last 2 songs on the CD in order to hear it, its the only 
way it would work in my cars CD changer anyway, maybe it would 
be different in your player. Jagged quickly goes through several 
blank tracks until it get to the hidden track. As far as Tori is 
concerned I don't recall any hidden tracks. One song has no number - 
Beauty Queen - but that's because its attached to horses I believe. 
Its also listed on the record so I don't think that counts. Jawbox did 
a cover of Cornflake Girl that is a hidden secret track in their debut 
Jawbox CD. It's not bad really - I didn't mind it. To listen to that one 
play the final track of the CD - track 14 "Absenter" - and then let 
the CD sit. It takes a full minute PLUS for Cornflake Girl to begin 
play but its there. 

        Investigative Toodles ~ MysT

*Hey did everyone see my fiance posted? Cool beans :-)

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In a message dated 3/11/01 10:42:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes:

<< Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 07:08:10 -0800 (PST)
 From: Audrina Parker <silverdadaartist@yahoo.com>
 Subject: hidden songs
 
 hi i was wondering if tori has any hidden songs 
 alanis morissette i just learned has one on her jagged
 little pill cd number 13 after you ougtha know its a
 gorgeous song and i thought maybe tori has some that i
 dont know of
 does she? thanks

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:22:37 -0800
From: "molly" <mollyk@stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: one more thought on pro widow

> Tori did not make up the word.
>
no one said she did.


>> > "Starfucker" is the title of a Rolling Stones song recorded in 1973.

*thanks to the Rolling Stones for embedding the word into our lexicon*grin*
In fact, the likelihood of them owning the rights to a ceratin lyric or
phrase is certainly high since they knew Moses back in the day...  But,
given the fact the line in question comes almost in a series of exchanges
between Tori and Trent (common now... we cant deny that the "made my own
pretty hate machine" line in CALS is in reference to his work) it's
completely plausible that it the term was inspired by Courtney and others
with similar agendas.  Its also easy to see how the line applies to Ms.Love.
(Love) her or hate her, she is still America's most sucessful groupie.  In
"Come as You Are," Nirvana's biography, Michael Azzerad details how she
bounced from the beds of Dave Pirner (Soul Asylum) and Billy Corgan
(Smashing Pumpkins)---among others who i cant recall correctly) before she
settled in Seattle..... Kurt didnt gravitate towards her: she found him.  A
part of me believes that he'd still be with Kathleen Hannah (Bikini Kill)
today if it weren't for Ms.Love's one hag spin machine.  It's no joke how
she manipulates her image in the press

> He wasn't when they met.  Hole's first album sold double what Nirvana's
> first did.  If anything, *he* was the one doing the "starfucking".

So if "Pretty on the Inside" did outsell "Bleach" at the time of their
collision, why did she have to sit on "Live Through This" for 3 years
between 91-94?!  I have to applaud her on her current crusade against the
greed of record companies, but I think her label knows it would have never
seen five albums from her.  Besides, Tori makes the point of not delineating
the specific inspiration for all of her lyrics; thats why it's fun for us to
speculate about them and hence, there are no absolutes  Are we are trying to
say is that its entirely possible that Trent and Tori both make references
to Courtney in their songs (not that Tori's Pro.Widow or Trent's
Starfucker's Inc. were solely inspired by C.L).

Peace, Love, and a Hard Cock,

Molly

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:53:50 EST
From: Yessaid@aol.com
Subject: Re: pro widow

I tend to think Professional Widow is more about Tori herself than Courtney 
Love or some other person.  It seems much deeper than a personal attack on 
Courtney Love.  Tori has been asked directly if the song is about Courtney, 
and she has always said "no."

Here are some things Tori Amos has said about the song...
Quotes taken from the Toriphoria web site:
members.aol.com/yessaid/index.htm


b^\Thatb^Ys my cornerstone song, my Lady Macbeth. Itb^Ys my desire to be king, to 
have what the big boys have, and giving up my femininity and vulnerability to 
taste it.b^]

b^\Thatb^Ys my Lady Macbeth, the side of me that wanted power. But power in a 
manb^Ys world. I wanted to be Indiana Jones, not the girlfriend (laughs). But 
as I began to do that I started to alienate many men. Widow is my hunger for 
the energy I felt some of the men in my life possessed: the ability to be 
king. I wasnb^Yt content just being a muse. I was the creative force. I was in 
relationships with different men where if they could honour that, they 
couldnb^Yt honour the woman, and if they could honour the woman, they couldnb^Yt 
honour the creative force.b^]

b^\Professional Widow is the Lady Macbeth archetype.  There are many ways to 
play Lady Macbeth.  It can be done in a Jackie O suit. Believe me, I... I 
like to think that I was clever about it.  I donb^Yt think I really was. But 
Ib^Yd like to think I disguised it.b^]

b^\I was going, b^XOh, I wanna see him crawl.b^Y And letting that be there. 
Wearing a really cute fuzzy pink shoe. And having no limitation of exploring 
certain facets of the personality. And being shocked and horrified about 
Professional Widow, and then loving her - just loving the fact that sheb^Ys 
convincing him to kill himself, guaranteeing that Mother Mary will supply. 
And I said, you really canb^Yt get any lower than that. I love the fact that 
she said, b^XThis is how far Ib^Yve gone - this is where I am at this moment. 
Are you willing to see that part of yourself? The part that wants his energy, 
that wants his fame, that wants his light - not recognizing your own.b^Y It 
gets to the point where you donb^Yt even have to push him over the edge - 
youb^Yre just reading him poetry, and thatb^Ys enough to make him want to kill 
himself.b^]

b^\As I got to know Widow, I began to really adore her candor. She was so cut 
off from so many other parts of being, but here she is, deliciously 
convincing him [i.e., the black widow spiderb^Ys doomed male mate] to kill 
himself so she doesnb^Yt have to leave fingerprints on his body. Sheb^Yll make 
sure he showers before all this begins. Sheb^Ys ready to extract what she wants 
until heb^Ys dead. Whatever his addiction is, sheb^Ys convincing him that Mother 
Mary will supply it.b^]

b^\I wanted to go into the hidden parts of the feminine; the way I see it, 
anyway.  We all have our own perspective, men and women, about what the 
hidden parts of the feminine are.  I went after what in some cases have 
become distorted, such as Professional Widow, the black widow, and when I ran 
into the widow...[she lets out a sick little laugh] I had to come to terms 
with the fact that I wanted to be king. And to be this in the patriarchy... I 
never wanted to be the maiden. I wanted to be the knight that got the 
castles. I wanted to be the one who got the Land. But still I wanted to have 
babies; I wanted to be a mother, I wanted to feel that ability to do that. So 
the role of woman, to have babies and do that, you canb^Yt be a knight too, you 
canb^Yt do that. And the women who were knights were virgins, the Joan of 
Arcs... so you are not a sexually active being who wants to be involved and 
have a baby and a love relationship and be the brains to keep the castle 
running. And I do not mean the chatelaine... I want to be Patton.b^]

b^\b^YGive me peace, love, and a hard cockb^Y: because you canb^Yt have one without 
the other. For her to really say, b^XAre you gay? / Are you blue?b^Y that same 
person has had to say b^XGive me peace, love, and a hard cock,b^Y because if I 
hear peace and love one more time! That is so full of shit!b^]

b^\I really like her because sheb^Ys dead honest. Ib^Yve been a groupie and I wish 
I hadnb^Yt been, but I was and it happens. I can relate.b^]

b^]Well, the lyric is b^XSlag pit, stag shit. Honey bring it close to my lips. 
Dont blow those brains yet. Itb^Ys got to be big .b^Y Could be anything - death, 
a body part. The remix concentrated on a line. Obviously thatb^Ys a place where 
women can really strike, though. Women can really wound a guy in that way if 
they want to, and that remix could prey on manb^Ys worst fears.b^]


Tori says "that same person" has to say "give me peace love and a hard cock," 
and she's talking about herself.

j'ason

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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:47:51 -0800
From: acopperbeechDryad <copperbeech@nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Mermaid lyrics / SATY - abortion

Mistakenbyu@aol.com wrote:
> 
> that was a great interpretation cindy. i loved "silent all these years" when
> I was younger. Now when I think about it...the lyrics are different. What do
> you think about "my dog won't bite if you sit real still?"
> even the title poses a question. ::Silent all these years:: it could mean she
> never told the guy she was pregnant with his kid...i don't know it's early
> amanda
given that LE came out when tori was coming out about her sexual
assault, i have interpretted the song in that light.  most survivors
dont talk about their rape experience, to an ill degree, thus the
title.  as for the line you present, i have always thought of the dog as
a metaphor for a protective part of herself, meaning, if you are gentle
and treat me well, i won't have reason to be frightened or defensive
with you...

be well.
- -- 

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