From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V6 #35 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, February 26 2001 Volume 06 : Number 035 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: fave lines ["Megasus" ] Re: marianne on boys for pele ["Lynne Toussaint and Christina Sepp" ] plugged 98 version [=?iso-8859-1?q?daniel=20verrastro?= Subject: Re: fave lines First of all, hi everybody! ;) I've been away from this list for quite awhile. I un-subbed because of a vacation I went on last summer and I forgot to re-sub again. Anyway, I'm finally back. Yay! Now, here are some of my favorite Tori lines: "Just when you escape, you have yourself to fear" "I don't think you even know what you think you just said" "If you know me so well then tell me which hand I use" "What it means to be made of you but not enough for you" "So you can make me cum, that doesn't make you Jesus" "There are too many stars and not enough sky" "Is it right, butterfly, they like you better framed and dried?" There are probably a ton of others, but I'm not thinking of them at the moment. These are some I really like. :) I didn't get the original message so I dunno what else it said.. but anywhoo, couldn't pick just one! (kinda like pringles...) ~~Meg, who's glad to be back! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:16:10 -0500 From: "Lynne Toussaint and Christina Sepp" Subject: Re: marianne on boys for pele > so, i think that we, as toriphiles especially, have spent those nights alone > in our room crying and crying. (for myself it is usual for some asshole) but > anyways, as you are there, alone with yourself your mind finally has the > freedom to just think. and while thinking about everything you just realize > so much. > > i think that marianne is on this album because of months like that for tori > after the breakup with eric. > > i don't know....tell me what you think. > > i might have flew the coop on this one... > > glitter girl I think perhaps, Marianne just belonged on the album. The same way Tori couldn't put together a b-sides album, because they didn't want their album. They were, and are, happy to be favorite girls on their own, with solitude when they want it, sisterhood when they crave it. Marianne doesn't seem at all out of place to me, as it is the turning point on the album. Listening to Pele in its entirety, there is a transition that is unmistakable. The first half of the album (and I think Little Amsterdam is about the halfway point) darkness is the supreme ruler, while after LA, there is a freedom and acceptance not present before. Springtime and Twinkle are *perfect* examples of this. You can tell by that point she's flown away from her old nest, ready to create herself anew. It's unfair to say that Marianne should be on choirgirl simply because it's not about a break up. To take Marianne away from Pele would almost be taking out the spirit of the album, ripping out the flute from the loon, per se. :) peace christina ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:13:52 EST From: ToriLiscious@cs.com Subject: TRUE AND DETAILED PELE INFO Now, this is long, so prepare yourself! Information about Pele's myth: Culture/Origin: Polynesian (Hawaiian). Myth: Pele left her island home after setting it afire. She arrived with her sisters in Hawaii, where she was revered by the Hawaiians as the Goddess of Fire and Volcanoes. She fell in love with Lohiau, god of the ocean, and seduced him before returning to her mountain home. Pele sent her trusted sister, Hiiaaka, to bring Lohiau to her. On the long journey, Lohiau fell in love with Hiiaka, but Hiiaka remained faithful to her sister and refused the god's advances, returning him safely to Pele. The jealous goddess then burned her lover to death, but her flames could not scorch Hiiaka, who freed Lohiau's soul from the underworld and fled with him back to his homeland. Pele is still revered (and feared) today in Hawaii, and people still report seeing her dancing on the rim of Hawaii's volcanoes. Attributes: Volatile, impulsive, destructive, awe-inspiring, imperious. Symbols: Volcanoes, mountains, fire. Feast and Festival Days: January 28, March 16, June 7, August 30. Colors: Red, yellow, orange, black. Pele's Wisdom: I use my power to remind you that it is sometimes necessary to take swift, decisive action, despite the consequences. Call upon me to give you strength to take cutting-edge action when the situation demands it. This is another, more detailed story of how Pele came to Hawai'i: Long ago Pele lived with her family on the Island of Kahiki. She quarreled with her powerful sister, Namaka, who was a goddess of the sea. Because of this, Namaka sent big waves to overflow Pele's lands and destroy her houses. With the help of her family, Pele tried to fight the sea goddess, but it was to no avail and Pele was defeated. One of Pele's brothers, the shark god, provided a canoe, and with the rest of her brothers and sisters they sailed over the many colored sea. Now whenever they found an island, Pele tried to make a home, but always Namaka followed and drove Pele away. After a very long voyage, Pele and her brothers and sisters finally reached the Island we call Kauai. There Pele dug with her sacred stick, throwing up lava to form the still called Puuopele, The Hill Of Pele. In this fire pit she made, Pele and her brothers and sisters lived contentedly. But Alas! Namaka climbed to a high mountaintop and, as she searched the sky, she saw the glow of fire reflected on the clouds. "She lives!" Pele lives!" the angry goddess shouted and rushed to attack. Though brothers and sisters gathered about Pele and all fought bravely, they were defeated and fled before Namaka. Pele and her family reached Oahu and once more Pele dug. She made a fire pit like she did before but salt water rose in it and drowned out her fire. Today this pit is called Salt Lake. At leahi or Diamond Head, Pele dug a fine crater, but once more water put out her fire. Again and again and again Pele tried--on Molokai. Lanai, West Maui. But she had no better luck. Always water flowed in, and her fire was destroyed. Then, finally, on the top of Haleakala on Maui, Pele dug a splendid pit. Here the family lived, satisfied that they had a lasting home. But once again, from her lookout, Namaka saw smoke and glowing clouds. Once more she rushed to the attack. Pele had grown strong by this time and more confident. This time Pele fought single handedly with her powerful sister. Now long did this battle rage, but at last Namaka was victorious. She left the family morning over Pele's death and returned to her own island in triumph. "Pele is no more!" she cried. "Her power is destroyed!" Once again, from her point of lookout, Namaka searched the sky smiling when what did she see? Over Mauna Loa, on the Big Isle of Hawaii, dark smoke hung! The clouds above glowed red and plainly the sea goddess saw among the clouds the form of a beautiful woman--laughing! "Pele lives!" she muttered. "She has become a goddess whom I can never kill." The brothers and sisters also saw the lovely form among the clouds. "Pele lives!" they joyfully cried and went to join her in her new home, the fire pit of Kilauea. There the brothers tend fires, and the sisters dance the hula or string lehua lei. Now this next story is about a chief who boasted too much and in doing so brought on the wraith of Pele. This is the story of the Cheif who brought the wrath of Pele: There was once a Puna chief who could talk of nothing but his own district. Wherever he went he boasted of Puna. "Beautiful Puna," he chanted. "Its fields and its gardens are shining Like a mat spread over the hillside And edged above by the forest." "Be careful what you say," people warned him. "Remember that Pele does not like boasting!" "I do not fear Pele!" the chief answered. "She lives above in the pit, tending her fires. My Puna is safe from her evil." And so he went on boasting: "My country is beautiful Puna, Land where all food plants are growing, Land where bananas hang heavy, Where potatoes burst from the earth, Where sugarcane stalks are the sweetest. My country is sweet smelling Puna. To the seaman who comes near our coast The winds bear the fragrance of hala. Birds gather over our trees Drinking the nectar of blossoms. My country is beautiful Puna." Now a wise Kahuna heard these words. "Alas!" he said. "Your boasting has angered Pele. Return to your country for you will find that its beauty is no more but is laid waist." The chief shouted. "I do not fear your words! No harm can come to Puna!" But for all his shouting the chief was very frightened. As quickly as wind and paddle could take him, he returned to Puna. He reached a point of land, beached his canoe, climb a hillside and looked toward his beautiful Puna. Now what he saw was black smoke hanging heavy over all his land. As he looked, the wind lifted the smoke and he saw no fertile fields and gardens, but a waist of twisted lava. No flowers bloomed in the forest, only spurts of flame. No fragrance of hala was borne on the wind, but the bitter smell of smoke. Pele had been angered by the chief's boastful words. Now he knew that no land below her fire pit was safe from her power. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:54:07 EST From: ToriLiscious@cs.com Subject: Pele There is going to be a show dedicated to Pele, the Hawai'ian goddess on the Travel Channel (check your cable listings) on Monday (tomorrow) at 9pm E/P. It's called 'Secrets'. micah p.s. it smells like breakfast in my house, and I haven't even cooked.. mmmmmm.. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 03:44:18 +0200 (זמן תקני ירושלים) From: "tally" Subject: Re: fave line- again ! Hmm...fave line .. there are so many but ,=20 i've felt like : " can't forget the things you never said " for so long .= =2E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:39:54 -0300 (ART) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?daniel=20verrastro?= Subject: plugged 98 version I heard someone talking about the plugged 98 version of Caught A lite Sneeze, and I think that4s the same one that she performed on Sessions at West 54 special (by the way, great show), where can I find this version on bootlegs?, also I would like to ask for some opinions, what do you think of Tori4s bootlegs IN MY HEAD, UNPLUGGED and UNRELEASED, and MAKING MOUNTAINS OUT OF MOD PIES bye toriphiles.....:) Daniel _________________________________________________________ ?Lo probaste? Correo gratis y para toda la vida en http://correo.yahoo.com.ar ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:45:15 -0800 From: "Megasus" Subject: Re: regarding "caught a lite sneeze" jen wrote: > in this live version, towards the end of the song, she intermissions with > "you said 'i hurt myself today'....OH GOD!......you never could...you never > did...you're full of shit....you never did"! and, i stress that on the "oh > god" part she sounds quite disgusted.... whew. this line always gets to me.. it's just so awesome. and it reminds me alot of my own situation a few times... Not to mention caught a lite sneeze is one of my favorite songs, and I don't think I'll ever truly understand it. something about it just grabs me, pulls me in, straps me down and says "listen to me".. and I do, every single time. it's a powerful song. at least that's how I feel about it. > so...maybe...just maybe...it IS about trent... > > but, i thought they were still friends??? I don't know for sure, I think even friends can still be 'bitter'.. you know? And I don't know the timeframe as to when they had their falling out, in accordance to when the song was written. I figured the "made my own pretty hate machine" line was either a sign that it was about him, or just for him, as a 'hey, i'm using your words in my lines because you're a friend' type thing. But no matter how much I analyze this song myself, I just get further confuzzled. :) Anyway, that's my 2 cents. ~~Meg, who could listen to that song on repeat for the rest of her life and never get sick of it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:32:14 EST From: UnderH20thing@aol.com Subject: Re: Lyrics book info. thanks for the 411 about the lyrics book... it was me who asked.... Has anyone gotten it? Glitter Girl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:34:18 EST From: UnderH20thing@aol.com Subject: Re: marianne on boys for pele interesting thought about Marianne being Tori's Pele..her little "Happy Phantom" i never thought of it like that before... Glitter Girl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:25:16 -0300 (ART) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?daniel=20verrastro?= Subject: re: plugged version 98 hi, thanks molly, I have taped Sessions when It was broadcasted, I just was wondering where this version of CAUGHT A LITE SNEEZE was avaible on bootleg CD, but Thanks, thanks ,thanks, very much for the offering anyway...... Bye Daniel..........:) _________________________________________________________ ?Lo probaste? Correo gratis y para toda la vida en http://correo.yahoo.com.ar ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:48:28 EST From: ToriphileMaria@aol.com Subject: "maybe Im just the horizon you run to when she has left you" Ok, this is from Here in My head, which is absolutely, my favorite tori song ever...im pretty obsessed with this song, So I created a 2 CD Compilation of 20 live recordings of this song. If anyone would like a copy, just check out my trading page below and read the rules section. =) ~~Maria www.geocities.com/toriphilemaria ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:36:56 EST From: Talula514@aol.com Subject: Re: regarding "caught a lite sneeze" Meg wrote : << Not to mention caught a lite sneeze is one of my favorite songs, and I don't think I'll ever truly understand it. something about it just grabs me, pulls me in, straps me down and says "listen to me".. and I do, every single time. it's a powerful song. at least that's how I feel about it. >> Wow I feel the same way about Cooling and Talula. I don't fully understand what they mean exactly, but I do feel the meaning in my heart. Talula seems to describe me in some weird, bizarre way. I've always felt a special kinship to Talula that I can't explain, so I've adopted Talula as my nickname, screen name, etc. so when I hear Talula, it feels like Tori is singing to me :) And Cooling....god I LOVE that song. Not so much the version on Venus, because she cuts out my favorite part (but do I hate what she is, but do I want to be her) It always makes me cry and its helped me soooooo much. Oh more favorite lines - "One more casualty you know we're too easy" - that gives me goosebumps "give me religion and a lobotomy" - i always got the feeling she was being soo sarcastic when she said that line, which is why i love it sooo much "cowgirls ride on the indian side" ohhh and soooooo many more! *faery dust* Reese ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:40:04 EST From: ToRiGLosS@aol.com Subject: Re: regarding "caught a lite sneeze" Does anyone know where I can get a download of this live one? Things that she says that aren't part of the song and so full of feeling are like a natural high for me - it's weird.. thanks! SHaDYFeLiNE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:37:42 EST From: UnderH20thing@aol.com Subject: Re: regarding "caught a lite sneeze" i heard that Tori and Trent aren't really that great of friends anymore because of Courtney Love. I don't know if this is true, just passing on some 411 that I have heard before and read about in accordance with "Caught a Lite Sneeze" If you look at the Titalisq under CALS it talks a lot about that whole thing.... Glitter Girl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:42:44 EST From: UnderH20thing@aol.com Subject: Re: marianne on boys for pele i agree with you....one thing that I haven't been able to really figure out though is that after the second part of the album, this slight tinge of freedom that is eminating, there is Putting the Damage On, and it just seems like the whole cycle again. I mean I know that there is still a sliver of freedom, "i'm getting over this" type of feel, but when she says, "You still look pretty when you're putting the damage on." It just seems like she is regressing again.... Thoughts? Glitter Girl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:54:58 -0500 From: "Lynne Toussaint and Christina Sepp" Subject: Re: marianne on boys for pele I think with Damage, she is at that last stage before she completely moves on, you know? She's admitting she misses what's gone, but she knows it's what needs to be, and she's just saying it one final time, perhaps just to hear it. The freedom is still there, but it's a larger picture at that point, allowing her to tell whomever she is speaking to, just how much she still loves them. peace christina ----- Original Message ----- From: UnderH20thing@aol.com To: toussaint@ime.net ; UnderH20thing@aol.com ; atlantic83095@hotmail.com ; precious-things@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 9:42 PM Subject: Re: marianne on boys for pele i agree with you....one thing that I haven't been able to really figure out though is that after the second part of the album, this slight tinge of freedom that is eminating, there is Putting the Damage On, and it just seems like the whole cycle again. I mean I know that there is still a sliver of freedom, "i'm getting over this" type of feel, but when she says, "You still look pretty when you're putting the damage on." It just seems like she is regressing again.... Thoughts? Glitter Girl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:46:10 EST From: ToRiGLosS@aol.com Subject: In my platforms I hit the floor... So Tori can be quoted as having said that she was inspired for the first line of Playboy Mommy by an incident in a hotel or something involving some very high Prada platforms, a lot of champagne, and a winding staircase.. but does anyone have any clue as to exactly which Prada platforms these were? I'd love to see some pictures.. In fact, I think I'll go dig up old Prada runway photos from '98 and see if there is anything that strikes me as being possibly "THE platforms" . . . If you can't help but are interested to know what I find email me and I'll let you know!! Thanks in advance! SHaDYFeLiNE p.s. Here's the exact quote, as taken from the wonderful TALD : "I had written this thing and I couldn't get the first line ... I was in France with my friend Beenie, I go a lot of places with my friend Beenie. We were with another friend of hers and her mother, anyway... two of them were having an argument, so I decided champagne for everybody was a good idea. And that's what you do in France, and it was like, after lunch, so that's good...that's improvement. And um, anyway they make very good champagne, we had Krug and if you know if you ever have that experience ... just like ... even if you have to steal it ... it's really worth the experience. So. okay, I sent champagne around because everyone is arguing, and Beenie comes to like update me on the fighting on who's winning. And so um I'm standing at the top of the stairs in a schmoozy suite, I'm embarrassed to say, but I was. And so we're standing at the top, and she goes 'let's go out to the deck and talk about this. So it's one of those round stair cases like they have on the Love Boat. And so I'm in these Prada Studio platforms, and um, I'm at the top of the stairs and I fall all the way down stairs cause I trip on my platform shoes, it serves me right. So I trip all the way down and I lie flat on my face, and I swear to Christ ... I'm lying flat and my nose is like taped to the rug, and I said 'oh Beenie I need more champagne, this is so horrible'. But I laid there and I go 'oh my god Beenie oh my god, I have a first line.'" ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V6 #35 ************************************