From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V6 #29 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, February 16 2001 Volume 06 : Number 029 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Does tori ever do "the pool" live? [VioletLilith@aol.com] bliss maxi single/Maximum Tori CD [JNe9027355@aol.com] Re: more lyric deciphering [Judas658@aol.com] Re: can everyone give me an opinion?! [Thlayli ] Angie Dickenson ~ [Mysterilady2001@cs.com] Re: can everyone give me an opinion?! [ToRiGLosS@aol.com] Re: can everyone give me an opinion?! [Talula514@aol.com] deciphering more lyrics. [=?iso-8859-1?q?daniel=20verrastro?= > I always saw this as a woman changing...like she always was (or always perceived as) a belle, and now she's changing and becoming more in touch with her self, and her sexuality but there's still that thought of a former more refined perfect self in the back of her mind. and if you dont know now i guess you never will kind words can lead to stray kisses and the baptismal of your flesh with my lips ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:07:01 -0500 From: Thlayli Subject: Re: can everyone give me an opinion?! ToriLiscious@cs.com wrote: [snip] >WHO IS ANGIE DICKINSON? I always hear references about her, but have no >idea who she is or what she's done. She's an actresss, best known for her '70s TV show "Police Woman". - -- Thlayli thlayli23x@att.net http://www.geocities.com/~thlayli23x/home.html "Excuse me, but can I be you for a while?" - T. Amos "You be me for a while, and I'll be you." - P. Westerberg "Why can't I be you?" - R. Smith "You're just jealous 'cause you can't be me." - M. Ciccone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:00:36 +0000 From: Emily Rigdon Subject: Muhammed, my buddy lyrics Another interpretation: from Muhammed my Friend, "and if I lose my cracker jacks at the tidal wave I've got a place in the Pope's rubber robe" WHAT?????? I don't think this is TORI's interpretation of the line. But as I've brought myself and my own experiences to the music. In this line I hear her making a commentary about the traditional Catholic stance on birth control and how that inhibits what a woman is "supposed" to be. I can't take you word for word through any kind of drawn out word-play-symbolism I have thought about because the songs for me are like looking at a piece of modern art, some pastiche of color blotches and images - not telling you how to feel - but moving you to feel that way...that probably doesn't help anyone, though. : ) Emily "If you have come to help me, you are wasting your time. But if you have come because your liberation is wrapped up in mine, then let us work together." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:38:40 EST From: Mysterilady2001@cs.com Subject: Angie Dickenson ~ Hi ya Micah Dearest & EWF ~ Since Richard is prolly not gonna answer this, as he's the *other* older one amongst us - that I am aware of anyway - (Why did that statement make me feel 80 years old? I'm only 36 hellajeez! LOL!!!) - anyway... Angie Dickenson was the star of a BIG TIME early 70's TV show called "Police Woman" - She was One Bad MamaJama. She had it going on. Her character - Pepper (I believe her name was) - had brains, guts & beauty. This was a pretty big deal back then - women being police detectives. She was a roll model to young women. She was no milquetoast, no victim and she had her life under control. I think that's what Tori's talking about in reference to Angie Dickenson - her strength. She LITERALLY kicked ASS! In lite of the song in referrence I think it fits.Tori's my age so she prolly watched the show too. That's my guess. Of late AD was in the Harrison Ford/Julia Ormond/Greg Kinnear movie "Sabrina" from a few years back. Shoot! I remember that show Toodles ~ MysT *Micah did I send you the pic of the Wedding dress yet? We decided on a cake theme & topper too :-) Things are coming along ~ yippee! Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:43:05 EST From: ToriLiscious@cs.com Subject: can everyone give me an opinion?! << And, WHO IS ANGIE DICKINSON? I always hear references about her, but have no idea who she is or what she's done. >> *** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:29:34 EST From: ToRiGLosS@aol.com Subject: Re: can everyone give me an opinion?! In a message dated 2/13/2001 8:03:15 PM Central Standard Time, ToriLiscious@cs.com writes: << "and if I lose my cracker jacks at the tidal wave I've got a place in the Pope's rubber robe" >> She's just watching the 'tidal wave' (what I interpret to be the whole mess of the world - or maybe even doomsday or something), snacking on some crackerjacks (maybe her sanity..?) she has a place in the pope's rubber robe - - I always assumed rubber in that it stretches to accommodate ANYTHING or ANYONE... I guess it's not that hard to get into the robe! Hehehe - I always took the line as a whole as her saying, maybe sarcastically, that if she ever lost her way she always has a place in the church. I feel, though, that it's more sarcastic, sounds like something a preacher (Dad!) would say to someone they can tell isn't going to listen to them. It sounds like one of those remarks made by the loser at the end of an argument.. at the point where they KNOW they can't win.. I can just picture old Reverend Amos saying on the phone to YKTR Tori, "Well Myra Ellen, if you ever change your mind there's always a place here in God's house for you".. or something like that.. Maybe she has the crackerjacks because she wants to be checking things out before she dives in and she figures she could have a snack while she observes... Anyone else? that's all off the top of my head, forgive me if you don't likey. SHaDYFeLiNE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:43:01 EST From: Talula514@aol.com Subject: Re: can everyone give me an opinion?! I love deciphering Tori lyrics! Its one of my favorite past-times :) One of my favorite lines is "you're only popular with anorexia so I turn myself inside out in hopes someone will see" (Jackie's Strength) and from Purple People, "just when you've escaped you have yourself to fear" and from Doughnut Song "something's just keeping you numb" oh there are so many!! Micah B. wrote, from Muhammed my Friend, "and if I lose my cracker jacks at the tidal wave I've got a place in the Pope's rubber robe WHAT??????" Ok here's my take on this. I think it has to do with Christianity, specifically Catholicism (the Pope part) I think Tori's saying that having people pledge loyality to the Pope just because he's some figurehead in a screwed up religion is just plain stupid. So if you screw up everything in your life and become a total drunk, alchololic, and druggie, you still think your ok because you got the Pope in Rome who's gonna save your life. So if you get caught in the "tidal wave" of life its ok because the Pope's got this nice "rubber robe" thats gonna keep you dry no matter what (she's being very sarcastic) That's just my 2 cents. Angie Dickinson is an actress, I think. OH and probably my FAVORITE line, "No one cared, no one dared to tell me where all the pretty girls are those demigods, with their NINE INCH nails and little fascist panties tucked inside the heart of every nice girl" I LOVE on Venus Live with she really belts it out :) *faery dust* Reese ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:49:01 -0300 (ART) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?daniel=20verrastro?= Subject: deciphering more lyrics. AS for "need a big Loan from the Girl zone " stands for, I read a long time ago in Rolling stone Magazine in an Article call "Tori Amo4s secret Garden" that when recording "BFP" she needed to experinced things that others woman were talking about , as tori said "As Pinochio says I want to be a real kid", So I thing that Tori refers that for just a brief moment she want to shared that kind of botherhood that most woman have with their friends (?), taking into account that ahe have said several times that she didn4t fit into high school with her girl mates. "I am hiding it well sisters Ennestine, but I still got that belle dragging my foots yet", I have always thought that this refers , AS ALL THAT I HAVE SAID HERE IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, That4s she4s hiding her feelings of Anger and trying just to move on with her life but whatever she tries, She finds herself in the middle of this broken relationship and that "Belle" seems to me it4s her ex-boyfriend new girlfriend. I think that "Caught a Lite sneeze", is used , taking into account the deepthness of the lyrics , as an Irony, like do a very everyday life thing and just by the way break my heart, go on with your life and break me into pieces because you don4t care anymore about me. ANyway it4s a very cryptic lyric and it can be interpreted in SOOOOOOOOOO many ways. I just love it It was my VERY 1ST TORI SONG I EVER HEARD WHEN I BOUGHT THE "BFP" ALBUM. AND GUYS DO YOU THINK THAT AM I RIGHT OR NOT? BYE DANIEL. _________________________________________________________ ?Lo probaste? Correo gratis y para toda la vida en http://correo.yahoo.com.ar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:38:43 EST From: ToRiGLosS@aol.com Subject: Re: more lyric deciphering In a message dated 2/13/2001 8:02:47 PM Central Standard Time, ToriphileMaria@aol.com writes: << "need a big loan from a girl zone" >> My take on that line was her trying to get pregnant, but I know it's the wrong era. It's a total pregnancy song, but you're right, I think it is on that one. << and you still got that Belle dragging your foots I'm hiding it well Sister Ernestine but I still got that Belle dragging my foots-- I wonder if this is just too personal and we will never figure it out. >> Maybe the "Belle" dragging Eric's "foots" (as my friends and I call them , too, we love to make plural words out of strictly singular ones!) is a new girlfriend, and this "Belle" is dragging Tori's foots too.. Maybe foots can mean heart? While the new Belle has Eric's, she's taking Tori's too (though painfully, not in a good way). And Sister Ernestine might be her praying to GOD saying, "look God, I've been taking it so well, why did you have to throw this new girl in and rip me up all over again?".. Having been through many a shitty breakup, I have always felt really close to this song.. One breakup in particular actually, IS this song.. doing fine, until I found out he had a new girl, hurt all over again - old wounds all opened up.. blahdeblah, I know the drill.. I'm sure anyone else who has ever felt the torment of breakups holds this song close too.. Hope that shed some light on things (at least in helping you decide what the song means to you) I think it's fabulous that we're discussing lyrics now.. I live for this stuff!! SHaDYFeLiNE oh p.s. can someone tell me how to start my own list? I want to do a hybrid Tori/Bjork one.. THanks! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:29:42 EST From: ToriLiscious@cs.com Subject: Fwd: can everyone give me an opinion?! Return-path: From: ToRiGLosS@aol.com Full-name: ToRiGLosS Message-ID: <6.121cddb0.27bbf04e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:29:34 EST Subject: Re: can everyone give me an opinion?! To: ToriLiscious@cs.com, precious-things@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 117 In a message dated 2/13/2001 8:03:15 PM Central Standard Time, ToriLiscious@cs.com writes: << "and if I lose my cracker jacks at the tidal wave I've got a place in the Pope's rubber robe" >> She's just watching the 'tidal wave' (what I interpret to be the whole mess of the world - or maybe even doomsday or something), snacking on some crackerjacks (maybe her sanity..?) she has a place in the pope's rubber robe - - I always assumed rubber in that it stretches to accommodate ANYTHING or ANYONE... I guess it's not that hard to get into the robe! Hehehe - I always took the line as a whole as her saying, maybe sarcastically, that if she ever lost her way she always has a place in the church. I feel, though, that it's more sarcastic, sounds like something a preacher (Dad!) would say to someone they can tell isn't going to listen to them. It sounds like one of those remarks made by the loser at the end of an argument.. at the point where they KNOW they can't win.. I can just picture old Reverend Amos saying on the phone to YKTR Tori, "Well Myra Ellen, if you ever change your mind there's always a place here in God's house for you".. or something like that.. Maybe she has the crackerjacks because she wants to be checking things out before she dives in and she figures she could have a snack while she observes... Anyone else? that's all off the top of my head, forgive me if you don't likey. SHaDYFeLiNE ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V6 #29 ************************************