From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V5 #183 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, August 13 2000 Volume 05 : Number 183 Today's Subjects: ----------------- is tori promiscuous? [JNe9027355@aol.com] Napster [FireflyLG@aol.com] which is better:Waitress...live & loose vs. recorded & restricted? [JNe90] Re: Prec. Things live vs. recorded ["distilled & embittered" ] PtM mission single - CD 2 [Countess Jim ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 00:03:29 EDT From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: is tori promiscuous? she said "id tell u who ive slept with before revealing my musical influences" where's the truth to this? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:57:16 EDT From: FireflyLG@aol.com Subject: Napster Hi ev'rybody! It's been so long since I last posted! It's good to be back. Anyhoo, I recently downloaded Napster (hey, I figured why not cash into the free music franchise before they shut it down), and I was wondering which Tori songs would be considered *necessary* EWF listening. I have all of her albums and several beesides, but I was wondering which songs should not be missed... I'd appreciate any recommendations! ~~Liz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:23:35 EDT From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: which is better:Waitress...live & loose vs. recorded & restricted? the album version is horrible! - -AJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:14:01 -0500 From: "distilled & embittered" Subject: Re: Prec. Things live vs. recorded >Which do you think is better? for me its undoubtedly the live... >-AJ I've actually thought about this a lot before... I do love the very agressive "so you can make me cum" and "those demigods..." parts...But there's something about the way her voices sounds on the album that makes me like it a bit more. When she sings "theeeeeeeese precious thiiiings" you can hear how voice her low is and i think that's great..i dunno why that of all parts makes me like it most. anthony :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 19:49:27 EDT From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: great remix site http://www.angelfire.com/rock/marcghost/remix4.html is their a tori-melody, i.e a compilation of all-songs song? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:49:09 EDT From: JNe9027355@aol.com Subject: Re: Prec. Things live vs. recorded In a message dated 8/11/2000 5:15:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mb083176@gte.net writes: << I've actually thought about this a lot before... I do love the very agressive "so you can make me cum" and "those demigods..." parts. >> nah, those sections dont do it for me. im the biggest fan of the long intro...and her ad libbing before "he says yer really an ugly girl...." and i love the aftermath of that part where she coo's..."but i like da way...yooooou play! ya get that? I DIED" her adlibbing at the end of cruel--live, is also killer. is she using a voice enhancer for all the high pitched wailing before the last "i can be cruel!" encore? i really NEED to know how she did that. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 14:01:09 EDT From: VenusPunk3@aol.com Subject: Re: venus envy" necklace I bought a Venus Envy necklace and I absolutely love it. In fact I rarely take it off. It's definitely a quality made product, and worth your money to buy it. ~~Aimee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:59:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Countess Jim Subject: Video Scans Hi people, I was wondering if anyone can tell me where to find stills from Tori videos? The one I most want to find is the still from the 'Winter' video, with the flower petals arranged in a circle. Thanks Laura *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "Copper to Steel, To a hinge that is faltered, One which lets you in, You've been wasting all my time, This time, I said you never learned to take, And if I'm hanging on to your shade, I guess I'm way beyond the pale" Tori Amos Can't contact me here? Try: l_watson99@yahoo.co.uk ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:55:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Countess Jim Subject: PtM mission single - CD 2 I am sending this again to see if I get a response this time! LOL Laura Hello I have a question about the live version of HiMH on this CD. On my copy, the very last time Tori sings 'here in my head', there seems to be a slight stutter, so it sounds like 'h-here in my head'. But, the timing (and by that I mean the minutes:seconds display) is flawless. It has been suggested to me that there is a fault in the production, so I was interested to know if anyone else has had this problem. Thanks Laura ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "Copper to Steel, To a hinge that is faltered, One which lets you in, You've been wasting all my time, This time, I said you never learned to take, And if I'm hanging on to your shade, I guess I'm way beyond the pale" Tori Amos Can't contact me here? Try: l_watson99@yahoo.co.uk ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 20:26:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: new guinea / baby pig suckling Tasha asked: > I have some relatives that are missionaries to New Guinea and I was > told that it's custom there if a woman loses her baby, she will > suckle a baby pig instead because pigs are sacred there. I would love > to know if this is true and i have tried to search the web on this, > but to no satisfaction. Well, here's a photo: http://www.peterskinner.com/png/png1/image41.html In 1963 there was a documentary film made which contained numerous shocking images from around the world. The film defined the genre "shockumentary" and was like a twisted travelogue. It's titled Mondo Cane and was made in Italy, and the English release translated the title to A Dog's Life. Anyhow, way back then in the year Tori was born, people in the west were exposed to a shocking image of a woman in New Guinea breastfeeding a piglet. Just goes to show how everything old becomes new again. (You may be able to find copies of this film in video stores with edgy stuff. The Bravo cable network used to show it once in a while and I think I copied it off there a number of years ago. I don't know if they still show it ever.) Here's more about Mondo Cane from another site-- http://www.losman.com/mondo.htm [ . . . ] Mondo Cane (1962) This was the original shockumentary that started it all. We follow the exploits of journalist Gualtiero Jacopetti as he takes his camera where no one dared and frightened audiences of all ages with weird rituals and bizarre customs of tribal societies. A stray dog is placed in a kennel and the audience it led to believe that the poor creature is torn to bits by the dramatic music and images of growling dogs. Footage from New Guinea is showcased and we see many bare breasted natives, one early weird scene shows a woman suckling a piglet and we are told she had an infant who had died and the pig was given to her to by tribal law. We next see one of the first of many counter spectacles in this film as men from the same tribe are shown clubbing pigs to death, the narrator adds that these men may have indeed tasted human flesh. [ . . . ] The Univ. of Sydney has a catalog entry for a photo like this in their collection-- http://www.usyd.edu.au/su/macleay/hpcxlIaust.htm Photographs of Indigenous Australians in the Historic Photograph Collection [ . . . ] 83\066\0820 Two Papuan or A Aboriginal women seated on ground. It is labelled "She is trying to save her piggy wiggy." One woman is breastfeeding a piglet. [ . . . ] Here's more background (with much context intact) on the value of pigs in New Guinea which may help explain this whole thing a bit more-- http://www.ar-group.com/mktg/newsrels/danger97.htm AIR SECURITY INTERNATIONAL PRESENTS DANGEROUS PLACES: 1997 [ . . . ] PAPUA NEW GUINEA Papua New Guinea remains a very dangerous and tribal society. Violent crime, including carjacking, armed robbery, armed house break-ins, criminal roadblocks and gang rape occur throughout the country. The country also has the dubious distinction of having the world's highest incidence of homosexual rape. The severity of the crime problem in Papua New Guinea is perhaps best illustrated by the following incident: recently the police came upon a group of local men who had been tied up, tortured and raped in the woods; police officials said they were relieved that they had reached the scene of the crime "before anything serious happened." Papua New Guinea is also one of the few places in the world where accidentally running over a pig can actually get you killed. To the locals, owning a lot of pigs is the sign of an important man; in rural areas, pigs often sleep in the same house with a family and in some cases women will even breastfeed piglets as they would their own children. One Australian who was driving alone in the countryside learned the importance of pigs in the local culture the hard way. After accidentally running over a piglet that had scurried across the road, the man was pulled from his car by furious locals who immediately demanded cash compensation. After a brief ordeal the man was allowed to proceed, after paying almost US$200 in cash. [ . . . ] Here's a quote that amplifies that concept-- http://www.tagnet.org/fremont/ser9728.html Now you must understand something about pigs in New Guinea. Pigs are wealth. Pigs are more valuable than money or children! Often you will see mothers in New Guinea suckling their infant on one breast and a piglet on the other. If you kill a pig in New Guinea you will pay with your life - as one young Adventist missionary recently found out when he killed a pig by accident with his car. The natives rushed him and killed him on the spot! [ . . . ] Here's a different spin on this from a Tasmanian Catholicism website-- http://www.veritatis.org.au/Focus/societies/hilary_and_justin/sthj_dev/fm/fm980308.html Fr Meuli's Homilies This information was placed here on 13th December, 1999 Evil Overcome Being the sermon given by Rev Father Meuli on the 2nd Sunday of Lent, 8 March 1998 [ . . . ] I can remember reading, a long time ago now, a book by a missioner in New Guinea. He described the way to placate the demons. It was to dash the brains of your first-born out on a rock and then suckle a piglet. Then the second child you conceived you could allow to live because you had placated the demonic forces with which you were surrounded. [ . . . ] Hmm. The Dent has a transcription from an Australian radio station interview in 1996 in which the interviewer mentioned this-- [INT.] "We're talking to Tori Amos on Triple J, who's on tour in Ipswich in England. Now Tori, there's some *very* provocative photographs in the, ah, you know, little, ah, album booklet... the CD booklet. One in particular that takes my eye is you suckling a pig for god's sake! I've seen this in the highlands of New Guinea. Have you.. Have you seen this?" [TORI] "That's interesting. And what is the reasoning that they do that in New Guinea? Is it to keep the women, um, so they're able to keep breast-feeding?" [INT.] "I don't think so. I think it's because pigs are valued so highly. This is up in the, ah, in the highlands of Papua New Guinea. And pigs are a valuable possession. And I would go so far as to say it's to, ah, to nurture and nourish the pigs." [TORI] "Wow. Well, there you go." [ . . . ] So it seems Tori wasn't familiar with this image before she recreated it, although she may have heard about it or seen Mondo Cane and socked it away with all that other good stuff in her subconscious. ;-) > Even though tori's miscarriage happened after the BfP booklet was > printed (right?) True. Beyond idle curiosity I don't usually have as much interest in these tangential things apart from the music itself, but thanks for inspiring me to put all this together, Tasha. This was interesting. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V5 #183 *************************************