From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V5 #124 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Saturday, May 27 2000 Volume 05 : Number 124 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Trent alluding to Tori?? [CanVanZ@aol.com] Re: Trent alluding to Tori?? ["Lynne Toussaint" ] Re: web site for books tori has read [CanVanZ@aol.com] Re: Tori/Alanis PPV [YelloStarGlasses@aol.com] smoe downtime this weekend [sofa king ] Re: web site for books tori has read [Nosaidyes@aol.com] re: Trent alluding to Tori? ["Melanie" ] Re: star fucker ["Claire E Cross" ] re: my thoughts on the tour necklaces ["Melanie" ] more on M:I 2 soundtracks not in the US [Abbe J Cohen ] Re: Trent alluding to Tori?? [Nadyne Mielke ] starfuckers - the meaning? ["miss world" ] Re: Trent alluding to Tori [Dracovixen@aol.com] Tori mention in the Guardian ["Danny.Weddup" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:09:46 EDT From: CanVanZ@aol.com Subject: Re: Trent alluding to Tori?? Yeah, I'd always wondered... did Tori's use of the starfucker phrase come from Trent, or did Trent's come from Tori? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:16:32 -0400 From: "Lynne Toussaint" Subject: Re: Trent alluding to Tori?? Starfuckers Inc. is actually about Marilyn Manson, how the guy betrayed Trent's friendship and all... which is kind of strange because MM directed the video for it, a take off of his own video for The Dope Show (is that it? i forget). It seems to me MM is making fun of himself in the video... yet even more strange. Although it is MM. I wonder what the whole story behind *that* is. Ahhhh! as MTV calls it, "StarSuckers" kind of like titling TOOL's song Stinkfist "Track 1" instead because they thought it was about hitting people. Silly if you ask me. :oP peace christina - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:12 PM Subject: Trent alluding to Tori?? > > Hi all, > I was watching MTV and saw a commercial for NIN/Trent that is promoting > his special show about his current tour on MTV2, and the show is entitled > Starfucker's Hour (or Starfucker's Special or something to that effect). We > all know how Tori and Trent Reznor are friends and how she has made mentioned > to him in some of her Lyrics, so I was wondering if this Starfucker thing is > a reference to Professional Widow, that is assuming he came up with the show > title himself. If MTV2 titled it, thenI guess its just an odd coincidence??? > What do you all think StarFucker means to Tori anyway? I'd love to hear what > y'all think about all of this. =) > > ~~MaRia > > *~*~*"Give me Peace, Love, and a Hard Cock" ~Tori Amos*~*~* > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:10:41 EDT From: CanVanZ@aol.com Subject: Re: web site for books tori has read I'm near positive you're talking about Holly's site: Musical Butterfly - Holly (hp@hotmail.com) http://www.crosswinds.net/~mbutterfly/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:48:01 EDT From: YelloStarGlasses@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori/Alanis PPV I was there; there was a person sitting up on the right hand side of the stage during the waitress and was being really really rude and dancing like an idiot and mocking everyone. Tori saw and flipped him off for a while. i guess he was really drunk. Chrissie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:19:15 -0400 From: sofa king Subject: smoe downtime this weekend folks, sometime this weekend, smoe.org will be down for approximately 6 hours while some machines get moved around. i don't know when, exactly, the outage will occur...but it'll be happening sometime. consider yourself warned. ;) woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:09:11 EDT From: Nosaidyes@aol.com Subject: Re: web site for books tori has read hi again. my web site, Toriphoria, has an interesting list of books that Tori has read. www.crosswinds.net/~nosaidyes On the menu, click on Tori Facts & Info. j'ason In a message dated 5/25/00 7:56:55 PM Central Daylight Time, blackdove82@hotmail.com writes: << Does anyone know the web address to the site that had some of the books that Tori has read? I had this bookmarked like forever and a day ago and I cant find it now. I looked all over the place online and I cant find it, I looked in the Dent but I didnt see the link there, or I may have missed it, since the Dent is so big and full or wonderful info that keep getting me off topic of what i was looking for. If anyone can help me out I would be really thankful. Thanks kidds. Terry. AIM- Terro02 _______________ >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:58:03 -0700 From: "Melanie" Subject: re: Trent alluding to Tori? MaRia: << ...Starfucker's Hour... what do you all think Starfucker means to Tori, anyway?>> although i have not heard it, i understand that NIN has a song titled "Starfuckers, Inc.," or something to that effect. that song is probably what the show's title refers to. of course, that raises the question: was he influenced by "Professional Widow" when he wrote said song? hmmm... well, it seems that he's not telling. rumour has it that the -- ahem -- "starfucker" in Tori's lyric is none other than Her Divine Holy Obnoxiousness, Courtney Love. i, personally, am a fan of all three members of this bizarre musical triangle... peace and holy ecstasy, Mela "the only problem with Baptists is that they don't hold them under long enough." - anonymous, from a message board ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:01:39 +1000 From: "Claire E Cross" Subject: Re: star fucker - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 2:12 AM Subject: Trent alluding to Tori?? > > Hi all, > I was watching MTV and saw a commercial for NIN/Trent that is promoting > his special show about his current tour on MTV2, and the show is entitled > Starfucker's Hour (or Starfucker's Special or something to that effect). We > all know how Tori and Trent Reznor are friends and how she has made mentioned > to him in some of her Lyrics, so I was wondering if this Starfucker thing is > a reference to Professional Widow, that is assuming he came up with the show > title himself. If MTV2 titled it, thenI guess its just an odd coincidence??? > What do you all think StarFucker means to Tori anyway? I'd love to hear what > y'all think about all of this. =) > > ~~MaRia > > *~*~*"Give me Peace, Love, and a Hard Cock" ~Tori Amos*~*~* > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ma Ria: I believe that a recent NIN album had a song with starfucker as either a main lyric or as the title as well. ( I can't quite remember) Anyway I remember thinking at the time that it was after professional widow came out, which means in terms of deduction that perhaps it was Tori's idea originally. Presumably though its a concept they both have certain interest in, and it could mean entirely different things to each of them. Anyway thats just what i think Claire ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:54:42 -0700 From: "Melanie" Subject: re: my thoughts on the tour necklaces elenitsa: <> Christianity's conception of the Trinity is, alas, as unoriginal as most of the rest of its traditions. God has been Three for a long, long time. some of the oldest concepts of Deity represent Her (yes, *Her*) as Three: Maiden, Mother, and Hag. relating this to the philosophy and art of Tori Amos: her religious affinities *seem* to be distinctly Pagan, possibly Matristic (as in the concept of God as the Great Mother). certainly there is no love lost between her and the Yahweh Father God of the Hebrews. (caveat: please distinguish this "Matristic" view, which i am ascribing to Ms Amos, from the more unbalanced -- IMO -- *Dianic* tradition, which excludes the Masculine from the Divine.) anyway, i've never laid eyes on the bit of jewellery in question, but the *why* of the three-sided pyramid interested me because i am Pagan. i feel that Tori is very concerned with helping to put a Lady's face back onto the God-Head. she's very special, that way. i see her as something of a modern-day priest(ess)... not of any particular Tradition or dogma... just a priest of God. BTW, i'm no kook. i was just very moved by the idea of the Trinity's being associated with a bit of jewellery which was designed by Her Deliciousness. ;) "the only problem with Baptists is that they don't hold them under long enough." - anonymous, from a message board ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:29:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Abbe J Cohen Subject: more on M:I 2 soundtracks not in the US According to the credits and seeing the movie, the 1st of the two bonus songs on the non-US CD soundtrack Giovanni bought should be the *song* Iko Iko by the *group* Zap Mama, actually. I'm kind of bummed to hear it's a bonus track on the non-US CD, since I'd been hoping that when I got around to buying the soundtrack here in the US, I'd get that song, too. As an added bit of trivia, this is the 2nd movie I've seen with music by Hans Zimmer starring Tom Cruise that contained a version of the song Iko Iko on the soundtrack. ;) (The first is Rainman.) - --Abbe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:26:00 -0400 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Trent alluding to Tori?? At 12:12 PM 5/25/2000 EDT, NETG0DESS@aol.com wrote: > >Hi all, > I was watching MTV and saw a commercial for NIN/Trent that is promoting >his special show about his current tour on MTV2, and the show is entitled >Starfucker's Hour (or Starfucker's Special or something to that effect). We >all know how Tori and Trent Reznor are friends and how she has made mentioned >to him in some of her Lyrics, so I was wondering if this Starfucker thing is >a reference to Professional Widow, that is assuming he came up with the show >title himself. If MTV2 titled it, thenI guess its just an odd coincidence??? > What do you all think StarFucker means to Tori anyway? I'd love to hear what >y'all think about all of this. =) There's a song on NIN's most recent release with "Starfucker" in the title. Tori didn't coin the term. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:52:03 PDT From: "miss world" Subject: starfuckers - the meaning? somebody zasked about the NIN reference to starfuckers??? well, trent says that the song, "starfuckers, inc" was written about the music business, specificaly marylyn manson, courtney love, billy corgan, you know the types. i think he is talking about the people, such as marylyn manson and courtney, who got famouse by fucking the stars (mm - trent, courtney - kurt) and although that is completely bullsit most likely, it makes for an excellent song. the term "starfuckers" was also used in pr wid, e.g "just like your daddy" this song was rumoured to be written about courtney lvoe and/or trent. but nobody knows for sure because tori wouldnt openly bash somebody, nor openly release the inner-most secrets of her musical works. either way, it *is* a tori reference no matter what its about, because obviosuly boys for pele came before NIN's fragile. but - it may have been something that trent and tori discussed at one time - the word "starfuckers" and the people who make up this label. who knows? we dont. anyways. by the way this is courtney! im back with a vengence. i went on tori-hiatus in a sense, hadnt been listening to her much at all, more interested in fiona apple and ani difranco and sleater-kinney (yummy)... but.. you cant stray too far away from your musical roots now can you?? so. im back. deal with it!!! :) (hi richard and megasus and whoever else is still around!) - -courtney | sky puddles | | http://fadeddreams.net/garnet | | im the water, im the dishes, im the soap | |i will comfort make you clean help you cope| | -Sleater Kinney | ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:33:44 EDT From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: Trent alluding to Tori On his new album, Trent has a song titled "Starfuckers, Inc.". It is widely known among his fans that this song is basically a big "fuck you" directed toward Marilyn Manson, Courtney Love, and perhaps even the guy from Filter (haven't had this one confirmed yet), and anyone else who is a sell-out, and the corporate music world. Though, Manson and Trent have recently patched it up. It's lyrics are as follows: "my god sits in the back of a limousine my god comes in a wrapper of cellophane my god pouts on the cover of the magazine my god's a shallow little bitch trying to make the scene "i have arrived and this time you should believe the hype i listened to everyone, now I know everyone is right i'll be there for you as long as it works for me i play a game it's called insincerity STARFUCKERS STARFUCKERS STARFUCKERS , Inc STARFUCKERS "i am every fucking thing and just a little more i sold my soul but don't you dare call me a whore and when i suck you off not a drop will go to waste it's really not so bad you know once you get past the taste, yeah (asskisser) STARFUCKERS STARFUCKERS STARFUCKERS, Inc STARFUCKERS all our pain how did i ever get by without you? you're so vain i bet you think this song is about you DON'T YOU? DON'T YOU? DON'T YOU? DON'T YOU? now i belong i'm one of the chosen ones now i belong i'm one of the beautiful ones" It's a great song. It's a great album. Anyway, from what I have heard, and from reading Tori's lyrics to "She's Your Cocaine", that song could be a lot about Courtney Love and Marilyn Manson, so now they both have their big fuck you song. Though, I do think you're right, that he is alluding to Tori's song, Professional Widow. "Selling his baby, yeah etc..." Seems like a Starfucker is someone who is a sell-out, perhaps someone who becomes a dick to the people that helped them get their big start...something along those lines... Sorry this was so long. Just my 2 cents and some extra. :) - -Black Dove "black dove...black dove...you're not a helicopter...you're not a cop-out either.." AIM: Dracovixen AIM: IAngelOutcastI AIM: IBlackDoveI ICQ# : 54753072 http://www.zyworld.com/Angel_Outcast In a message dated 5/26/00 1:23:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org writes: > Hi all, > I was watching MTV and saw a commercial for NIN/Trent that is promoting > > his special show about his current tour on MTV2, and the show is entitled > Starfucker's Hour (or Starfucker's Special or something to that effect). We > all know how Tori and Trent Reznor are friends and how she has made > mentioned > to him in some of her Lyrics, so I was wondering if this Starfucker thing is > > a reference to Professional Widow, that is assuming he came up with the show > > title himself. If MTV2 titled it, thenI guess its just an odd coincidence??? > > What do you all think StarFucker means to Tori anyway? I'd love to hear > what > y'all think about all of this. =) > > ~~MaRia > > *~*~*"Give me Peace, Love, and a Hard Cock" ~Tori Amos*~*~* "black dove...black dove...you're not a helicopter...you're not a cop-out either.." AIM: Dracovixen AIM: IAngelOutcastI AIM: IBlackDoveI ICQ# : 54753072 http://www.zyworld.com/Angel_Outcast ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:46:01 +0100 From: "Danny.Weddup" Subject: Tori mention in the Guardian Hello all there is a wee mention of Tori in this morning's Guardian newspaper, in amongst the review of the new Armand Van Helden album, 'Killing Puritans': ''Van Helden's willingness to jump across generic boundaries, not to mention his idiosyncratic sound, made him an in-demand remixer during the 90s. it was his reworking of Tori Amos's Professional Widow in 96 that truly made his name. With the singer's 'It's got to be big' hook line strung out across bass lines and mangled h-hats, the track established van Helden as a commercial proposition. Further still, by combining intricate drum 'n' bass patterns with house's solid four beat rhythm, Van Helden more or less invented the sound now dubbed two-step garage.' The review then goes on to give his album a bit of a kicking. Bye, danny ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V5 #124 *************************************