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precious-things-digest      Monday, May 22 2000      Volume 05 : Number 120



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: Collectibles and such - I believe in Peace Nk'lace  [Ratatoullie@aol.c]
  bootlegging and such things...               [Ray <kochese@desupernet.net>]
  offical interview cd         ["obscene lesbian pervert" <mb083176@gte.net>]
  valen hsu                                        [sofa king <woj@smoe.org>]
  Re: Pyramid Necklace is now available at ToriAmosDirect  [Richard Handal <]
  Tori dance single                ["Danny.Weddup" <danny.weddup@talk21.com>]
  Did Anybody Else Get Mail From Mike CTW?!?  ["Shaigirl ..." <shaigirl79@ho]
  Re: [tori-boot] Did Anybody Else Get Mail From Mike CTW?!?  [Nadyne Mielke]
  Re: [tori-boot] Did Anybody Else Get Mail From Mike CTW?!?  [Shandi <tankg]

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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 22:02:08 EDT
From: Ratatoullie@aol.com
Subject: Re: Collectibles and such - I believe in Peace Nk'lace

I saw this and thought it was kinda odd...
On ToriAmos Direct i saw the I Believe in Peace Bitch necklace was $7!!! Is 
it just me or is that insane? I always find this item going for $50 or more 
each on Ebay and i thought for $7 it must be either reproduced from the 
originals, or genuine and selling pretty damn well...

Anyone else notice? If they're genuine I'm not gonna waste time in buying 
one!!

thx
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 00:46:04 +0000
From: Ray <kochese@desupernet.net>
Subject: bootlegging and such things...

Hey guys-

I know I've been really really quiet lately, and some of you probably don't 
even know who I am, but I've been here for a long time.  Anyhow, I'd like 
to put in my $.02 on the bootlegging issue.

I think that it's wrong to copy songs that you could buy in the store on CD 
that are released by the artist and their company.  The artist and the 
company both lose sales and profits.  However, I see absolutely no problem 
with copying live shows and tracks that are not commercially available.

Like someone commented earlier in the discussion, it's about the music.  If 
there is a Tori song out there that some fan hasn't heard and can't buy 
because it's a bside and the single is out of print, for God's sake make a 
copy of the song for them to be able to enjoy it too.  If this makes 
Atlantic mad, they're full of shit because they're not losing the first red 
cent in profits.  And if this makes a Tori fan mad, maybe they should stop 
playing lawyer and think about the fact that Tori isn't being hurt by this 
kind of a copy.

As far as live shows go, it is true that we are not legally allowed to tape 
the show or make copies of it for distribution, but I feel that as long as 
you aren't doing it for a profit then noone can really be miffed with 
you.  Again, Atlantic Records isn't losing any sales because they don't 
sell an album of every live performance.  Hardcore Tori fans will go to see 
her in concert whether or not they have heard her bootlegs, and those who 
aren't so hardcore probably don't have access to the bootlegs in the first 
place, so we're not hurting ticket sales either.  Not only that, but a 
concert that might have been especially important to someone can be 
preserved forever.

Send no email flames to my personal account of my horse Pegasus will hunt 
you down.  (heheh)

Richard, if you're reading, HI  :)

- -Ray aka kOchEsE

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Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 15:50:10 -0500
From: "obscene lesbian pervert" <mb083176@gte.net>
Subject: offical interview cd

according to cdnow.com there is an offical cd interview coming out on july
4...
Does anyone know anything about this?

anthony :)

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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 12:03:33 -0400
From: sofa king <woj@smoe.org>
Subject: valen hsu

a few weeks ago, mikewhy reported on the dent about two chinese women who
had covered some of tori songs: faye wong ("silent all these years") and
valen hsu ("china" and "winter"). mike has all the details on the dent at
<http://members.aye.net/~mikewhy/asiancovers.html>, including links to mp3s.

for those of you who prefer realaudio, i stumbled across a page which has
very good quality realaudio-encoded songs by valen hsu at
<http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/4275/songs/songs.html>. the
tori covers are tracks 1 ("winter") and 6 ("china") on the album _appease_.

woj

p.s. KaTe bush fans may also appreciate the covers of "the man with the
child in his eyes" (_appease_ track 5) and "moving" (_tear, sea_ track 4).

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Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:22:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Richard Handal <handal@min.net>
Subject: Re: Pyramid Necklace is now available at ToriAmosDirect

Hello:

Last week I posted on this thread, saying of the photos found on
ToriAmosDirect of the '94 tour necklace: "It looks like a cheapened-
down version of the original '94 necklace. Unless the photos are
playing tricks, the pyramid isn't 3-D as was the original one."

Someone wrote me privately to ask me if I was sure of this, pointing
out that all the photos of the '94 necklace they'd seen on eBay were of
the same flat version as the photo of this item on ToriAmosDirect. I've
been doing some major household organizing recently, but today I was
able to find the necklace I bought in '94. As it turns out, I had not
misremembered. My necklace is a flat piece of metal which was folded in
the middle so as to give the look of it being the corner of a pyramid,
with the bottom center coming to a point to further enhance this
illusion. The main text is on the front, and "Tori Amos" is on the
back/inside.

I'm not really into the merchandise all that much, but if no one else
here has seen this version then I have to think it must be on the rare
side. Weird.

You know, there were two versions of the '96 tour book, too--that I am
aware of. A quickly findable typo was fixed in the second printing,
which is how the two versions can be sorted out one from the other.
(The first version claims inside the back cover to have been printed in
"The" England. Nice typo.)

Be seeing you,

Richard Handal, H.G.

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Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:24:35 +0100
From: "Danny.Weddup" <danny.weddup@talk21.com>
Subject: Tori dance single

Hi everyone,

Wow. Tori releasing a dance single of 'hard hitting house'? That's what I
call unexpected. I hope she gets more promotion from the radio and tv with
this single. Has anyone heard the track yet?
Bye,
Danny

>*** Amos readies UK dance track
>
>(WorldPop.com) - Tori Amos may have an underground club hit on her
>hands with a track she does not even sing on. Amos will commercially
>release the UK single "Let's Do It Again," which is currently
>spinning at British clubs, in June through BPM Records. "Lets Do It
>Again" was a collaborative effort with Amoebaassasin's Andy Gray, and
>features out-takes of Amos' studio sessions coupled with hard hitting
>house music. The artist had to maneuver around a few contract issues
>in order to legally record the track. Since Amos' contribution on the
>single is all spoken word she was able to enter the project with a
>clean conscious. Her Atlantic Records recording contract only covers
>her singing voice.

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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 12:18:23 EST
From: "Shaigirl ..." <shaigirl79@hotmail.com>
Subject: Did Anybody Else Get Mail From Mike CTW?!?

Did anybody else get this e-mail?!? Wasn't there a big problem with him or 
something? I recall hearing some very nasty things about a Mike CTW and his 
so-called service. Is this the same guy? I have no clue how the guy got my 
e-mail address. I'm certainly not his friend and have never deal with him 
before. I'm thinking he picked it up off the tori-boot list, which is why 
I'm asking if anybody else received an e-mail from him, too. Wasn't that the 
guy who was selling bootlegs for like an arm and a leg?!? I did check out 
his site (with NO intentions to buy) and if and searched for a few artists, 
like Tori. Several imports, but no bootlegs. Did this guy clean up his act 
or something?!? ~Shaigirl

Azure In the Sky... http://www.crosswinds.net/~shaigirl



- ----Original Message Follows----
From: Mike Big CTW <listmanager@bigcd.com>
To: shaigirl79@hotmail.com
Subject: Mike Big CD CTW... Hello www.bigcd.com ... Past business we had? 
Get In touch... be happ
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 03:29:34 -0500
Hello everyone this is Mike Big CD CTW writing you from my newslist. . 
Thanks for listening. I am writing many people from my address book, that 
have done business with me in the past, I apologize if you get this 
accidently. I am sorry to intrude and send this out to my entire list again 
but I have a problem. I have modified and enabled to remove function on the 
mailing list program so if you seriously got this out of error just remove 
yourself so just click that link and this is a one time mailing, otherwise 
i'd love to keep you guys around because I'm trying to sell as much music as 
I can, and keep people closely informed and involved with what I'm doing, 
especialliy if your my friend already.
I lost several chunks of my inbox, when my computer locked up and the scan 
disk didn't recover it. I was doing some email compressing, and I guess my 
little old computer decided to give me good reason smash something. It's 
only a pentium 200 mmx and I am afraid that I lost a good recent and middle 
portion of my emails I had a ton I stil had top keep up with. I owe people 
some records from some delinquent orders and some refunds and I don't want 
you to think anything bad. Just please contact me and I'll try to work 
something out. I am doing the best I can. My new store, is doing allright 
but just enough to break even so it's tough trying to catch up sometimes. If 
I owe you something get in touch and I'l put you back in a folder so I won't 
lose track of it.
For those people who get this accidently heres my chance to tell you about 
the store I built all by my lonesone self. It's quite amazing actually and 
I'd be very happy if you would check it out.
We have a Coupon out there now for %15 percent off everything in the shop so 
come check us out. We specialize in Import collectibles/CD's. So if your 
looking for that Japan or Aussie, or UK issue of a single or Album, chances 
are we have it. http://www.bigcd.com I'm leaving this portion in because 
tons of my friends are on this mail out and maybe you could help me to 
continue to pursue my dreams. You know how I am, crazy and all, but 
dedicated to the bone for what I believe in. I also want to get aggressive 
with my Affiliate program! Seriously I need some more people on this because 
marketing an INDEPENDENT commercial website is the hardest thing, and the 
more GRASSROOTS/tell a friend marketing involved the better everything will 
be. We pay you in merchandise credit for helping us by either putting a 
banner on a website (any)? Or by using a simple link. 10 Cents per Click 
Through you generate for the shop, and we have a program that keeps track of 
it all! Some Ideas how you could help out would be 1. to grab the banner and 
put it on your website, no matter how big or small or the site is. I can 
also make CUSTOM banners for specific artists if you are interested. put on 
auction site listings even, you could get MASS hits that way easy money for 
CD's for you, and SERIOUSLY a BIG BIG BIG help for me. 2. Put your affilated 
link in you your signature, in emails, message boards, AOL Profiles, Chat 
Rooms, IRC, you name it. Anywhere on the net someone clicks it through you 
get credit. It's link me giving you 10 cents every time. 3. Mass post your 
link affilate with link lists and submission services. 4. Tell all your 
friends at school!! 5. Tell your mom to buy the new N Sync single for you 
through my website. 6. Tell your uncle to come visit to check out the new 
Jazz Reissues. 7. Print it out, and pass it everywhere. YOUR the one that 
gets the CD's. 8. you get the picture, help a guy out why don't ya? hehe. 
http://www.bigcd.com/cgi-bin/clickit/add.cgi I am getting some pretty good 
hits, over 2,000 something in like 2 months or less! I would say that's 
pretty good. I got the site listed on go.com in between Barnes and Noble and 
Blockbuster Music or something... So we got some big company there. 
Hopefully some of that will rub off. For those punk rock pals of mine out 
there, know that I haven't given up on CTW as a record label either, 
actually we just repressed the Capture The Flag Cd and those guys are on 
tour now. As soon I get the CD bucket of bolts store going, I'll want to be 
putting out more music ya know. The label is always at 
http://www.conquertheworld.com so keep in touch, and if you owe me money or 
trades or if you want to trade some stuff . PLEASE gimmie them! I need $!!! 
So I guess this painful email is over with. Just remove yourself please if 
you got this otherwise next time I do mailing about the record store you 
will be on it. I just used my normal mailing list script, but I did the best 
I could to filter out some address like I KNOW have nothing to do with 
business or ebay or orders or even friends but I know a bunch are left in 
there. Mike AOL IM BigCDmusic Mikectw@conquertheworld.com manager@bigcd.com 
http://www.bigcd.com
http://www.conquertheworld.com


________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:35:46 -0400
From: Nadyne Mielke <nadyne@rmta.org>
Subject: Re: [tori-boot] Did Anybody Else Get Mail From Mike CTW?!?

At 12:18 PM 5/21/2000 EST, Shaigirl ... wrote:
>Did anybody else get this e-mail?!? Wasn't there a big problem with him or 
>something? I recall hearing some very nasty things about a Mike CTW and his 
>so-called service. Is this the same guy? I have no clue how the guy got my 
>e-mail address. I'm certainly not his friend and have never deal with him 
>before. I'm thinking he picked it up off the tori-boot list, which is why 
>I'm asking if anybody else received an e-mail from him, too. Wasn't that the 
>guy who was selling bootlegs for like an arm and a leg?!? I did check out 
>his site (with NO intentions to buy) and if and searched for a few artists, 
>like Tori. Several imports, but no bootlegs. Did this guy clean up his act 
>or something?!? ~Shaigirl

Yes, that's the illustrious Mike.  He's had a couple more Yahoo! and eBay
auction IDs pulled since we last talked about him.  Reasons include:

* selling products that he doesn't actually have
* selling products that are not in the advertised condition
* shipping items with improper packaging (such as shipping posters in
envelopes instead of poster tubes)
* mailbombing, sending viruses, etc, to customers who complain
* issuing threats, up to and including death threats, against customers and
others who complain about the above

I have an extensive file of emails from him and from past customers.  He's
threatened me and my family repeatedly since I started telling people about
his questionable business practises.

The prices that he lists for most of his items are -way- too high.  The
last I looked, he had the US Crucify EP for $15.  That's more than what
you'll pay at a shitty mall store, and that's before you factor in shipping!  

If you're looking to purchase common items, your best bet is your friendly
local music store.  All of Tori's US singles are still in print.  Most of
the UK/Euro singles from BfP, FtCH, and TVaB are easy to find.  Ask them if
they can order.  If not, try:
http://www.toriamosdirect.com
http://www.cdnow.com
http://www.amazon.com

If you're looking for harder-to-find items, g'luck.  I've had some good
luck with:
http://www.eqsmusic.com

Between the sites I listed above, you'll find everything that Mike has to
sell, and for a -lot- cheaper.  You're less likely to have a problem with
your purchase, and if you do, you won't get death threats.

HTH. :)

/nad

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 15:29:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Shandi <tankgirl@indy.net>
Subject: Re: [tori-boot] Did Anybody Else Get Mail From Mike CTW?!?

 Yeah..I just got that mail today and I was wondering about that..

    *Shandi*

email: tankgirl@indy.net
AOL IM: Czarina790
ebay user ID: iluvsp

On Sun, 21 May 2000, Shaigirl ... wrote:

> Did anybody else get this e-mail?!? Wasn't there a big problem with him or 
> something? I recall hearing some very nasty things about a Mike CTW and his 
> so-called service. Is this the same guy? I have no clue how the guy got my 
> e-mail address. I'm certainly not his friend and have never deal with him 
> before. I'm thinking he picked it up off the tori-boot list, which is why 
> I'm asking if anybody else received an e-mail from him, too. Wasn't that the 
> guy who was selling bootlegs for like an arm and a leg?!? I did check out 
> his site (with NO intentions to buy) and if and searched for a few artists, 
> like Tori. Several imports, but no bootlegs. Did this guy clean up his act 
> or something?!? ~Shaigirl
> 
> Azure In the Sky... http://www.crosswinds.net/~shaigirl
> 
> 
> 
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Mike Big CTW <listmanager@bigcd.com>
> To: shaigirl79@hotmail.com
> Subject: Mike Big CD CTW... Hello www.bigcd.com ... Past business we had? 
> Get In touch... be happ
> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 03:29:34 -0500
> Hello everyone this is Mike Big CD CTW writing you from my newslist. . 
> Thanks for listening. I am writing many people from my address book, that 
> have done business with me in the past, I apologize if you get this 
> accidently. I am sorry to intrude and send this out to my entire list again 
> but I have a problem. I have modified and enabled to remove function on the 
> mailing list program so if you seriously got this out of error just remove 
> yourself so just click that link and this is a one time mailing, otherwise 
> i'd love to keep you guys around because I'm trying to sell as much music as 
> I can, and keep people closely informed and involved with what I'm doing, 
> especialliy if your my friend already.
> I lost several chunks of my inbox, when my computer locked up and the scan 
> disk didn't recover it. I was doing some email compressing, and I guess my 
> little old computer decided to give me good reason smash something. It's 
> only a pentium 200 mmx and I am afraid that I lost a good recent and middle 
> portion of my emails I had a ton I stil had top keep up with. I owe people 
> some records from some delinquent orders and some refunds and I don't want 
> you to think anything bad. Just please contact me and I'll try to work 
> something out. I am doing the best I can. My new store, is doing allright 
> but just enough to break even so it's tough trying to catch up sometimes. If 
> I owe you something get in touch and I'l put you back in a folder so I won't 
> lose track of it.
> For those people who get this accidently heres my chance to tell you about 
> the store I built all by my lonesone self. It's quite amazing actually and 
> I'd be very happy if you would check it out.
> We have a Coupon out there now for %15 percent off everything in the shop so 
> come check us out. We specialize in Import collectibles/CD's. So if your 
> looking for that Japan or Aussie, or UK issue of a single or Album, chances 
> are we have it. http://www.bigcd.com I'm leaving this portion in because 
> tons of my friends are on this mail out and maybe you could help me to 
> continue to pursue my dreams. You know how I am, crazy and all, but 
> dedicated to the bone for what I believe in. I also want to get aggressive 
> with my Affiliate program! Seriously I need some more people on this because 
> marketing an INDEPENDENT commercial website is the hardest thing, and the 
> more GRASSROOTS/tell a friend marketing involved the better everything will 
> be. We pay you in merchandise credit for helping us by either putting a 
> banner on a website (any)? Or by using a simple link. 10 Cents per Click 
> Through you generate for the shop, and we have a program that keeps track of 
> it all! Some Ideas how you could help out would be 1. to grab the banner and 
> put it on your website, no matter how big or small or the site is. I can 
> also make CUSTOM banners for specific artists if you are interested. put on 
> auction site listings even, you could get MASS hits that way easy money for 
> CD's for you, and SERIOUSLY a BIG BIG BIG help for me. 2. Put your affilated 
> link in you your signature, in emails, message boards, AOL Profiles, Chat 
> Rooms, IRC, you name it. Anywhere on the net someone clicks it through you 
> get credit. It's link me giving you 10 cents every time. 3. Mass post your 
> link affilate with link lists and submission services. 4. Tell all your 
> friends at school!! 5. Tell your mom to buy the new N Sync single for you 
> through my website. 6. Tell your uncle to come visit to check out the new 
> Jazz Reissues. 7. Print it out, and pass it everywhere. YOUR the one that 
> gets the CD's. 8. you get the picture, help a guy out why don't ya? hehe. 
> http://www.bigcd.com/cgi-bin/clickit/add.cgi I am getting some pretty good 
> hits, over 2,000 something in like 2 months or less! I would say that's 
> pretty good. I got the site listed on go.com in between Barnes and Noble and 
> Blockbuster Music or something... So we got some big company there. 
> Hopefully some of that will rub off. For those punk rock pals of mine out 
> there, know that I haven't given up on CTW as a record label either, 
> actually we just repressed the Capture The Flag Cd and those guys are on 
> tour now. As soon I get the CD bucket of bolts store going, I'll want to be 
> putting out more music ya know. The label is always at 
> http://www.conquertheworld.com so keep in touch, and if you owe me money or 
> trades or if you want to trade some stuff . PLEASE gimmie them! I need $!!! 
> So I guess this painful email is over with. Just remove yourself please if 
> you got this otherwise next time I do mailing about the record store you 
> will be on it. I just used my normal mailing list script, but I did the best 
> I could to filter out some address like I KNOW have nothing to do with 
> business or ebay or orders or even friends but I know a bunch are left in 
> there. Mike AOL IM BigCDmusic Mikectw@conquertheworld.com manager@bigcd.com 
> http://www.bigcd.com
> http://www.conquertheworld.com
> 
> 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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