From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V5 #59 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Saturday, March 11 2000 Volume 05 : Number 059 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: THE FINAL STRAW [Gidefab@aol.com] Concertina's gone. ["mr zebra" ] Re: Tori on Mission Impossible 2 soundtrack? [fartachu ] under the pink scan [woj sven-woj ] The Velveteen Rabbit [Sara Bauer ] Anyone have the PPV concert on CD? [ToriPhileX@aol.com] Re: THE FINAL STRAW! ["Terry Ferrell" ] Professional Widow ["Terry Ferrell" ] appearances and whatnot ["Joshua Meier" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:48:09 EST From: Gidefab@aol.com Subject: Re: THE FINAL STRAW hey Kat! i apologize if i offended anyone. just a little clarification - i meant that the seemed to be "non tori types" by several things, not just clothes. in regards to clothes - what you wear to the concerts is similar to what i wear. but on a whole, the people i usually see dress individually, whether casual, preppy, outrageous, punk, whatever. the girls i mentioned dressed like they care more what other people thought of them. secondly, it seems they really didn't know any of her songs. and (now i am a huge drinker and i have nothing against this) they seemed determined to drink as much as possible. just not what i normally see at tori's concerts. maybe i did place them in a stereotype - but i didn't hate or dislike them for it. after i got to know them they were very nice. it is horrible of people (including me) to judge, but it is a very serious problem if it interferes with how you act toward them. i love the variety of people that i see at the concerts, and i enjoy sharing a common interest with them. kat - thanks for the feedback! hope to see you at a party someday. ;) Gidefab "Don't Judge - Love" (my pal Louis) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:25:25 -0600 From: "mr zebra" Subject: Concertina's gone. Concertina has been bumped off R&R's Adult Alternative Chart by new debuts from Fiona, Aimee Mann, and Gomez. :-( matthew. my hair grows in a fashion makes my mother think I'm taking drugs and I can only say she's mostly wrong. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 23:19:31 -0500 From: fartachu Subject: Re: Tori on Mission Impossible 2 soundtrack? when we last left our heroes, mr zebra exclaimed: >According to Queen's official fanclub, the "MI2" soundtrack will be released >in May on Hollywood Records. Other acts reported to be featured on the album >include Metallica, Limp Bizkit, TORI AMOS, Eve 6, and PJ Harvey (see "Eve 6 >Mixes New LP, Takes On 'Mission Impossible 2'"); a spokesperson for the >label cautioned that the final track listing for the album has yet to be >determined. there was a bit of news about this on the dent about this a few days ago. according to a matt chamberlain fan website, tori recorded a song called "black orpheus" for the soundtrack. the source for this information wants to remain anonymous, so we don't know anything about the veracity of this report, though i would be inclined to believe it.... the relevant urls: (scroll down to the march 1st news items) woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:08:35 -0500 From: woj sven-woj Subject: under the pink scan toriadores, does anyone know of or have a high-quality scan of the image opposite the past the mission lyrics in the _under the pink_ jewel booklet? this is the image with the tiny, fetal tori in a circle of tidbits -- glassware, feathers, syringes, pebbles, driftwood and so on -- on a grey background. i've been scouring the web, but haven't turned it up yet. (this picture is screaming "wallpaper!" at me....) woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 23:11:05 -0600 From: Sara Bauer Subject: The Velveteen Rabbit Ladies and Germs, In my Quest class the other day (do any other high schools have Quest? It's this fun "blow-off" class where we talk about feelings and stuff) our teacher read us the children's story _The Velveteen Rabbit_ for a lesson about personality. It's a favorite story of mine, and truth be told, I almost did cry right there in class. :o) I restrained myself, however. And when the rabbit protested to the real rabbits in the garden that the boy had made him real by loving him, I thought suddenly of Tori. "Make me laugh, say you know you can turn me into the real thing, so I show you some more and I learn...." I've loved that line since the very beginning. Since that ride home from the mall two Mays ago. The real thing. I thought it was beautiful, that this love of hers could make her real, not by complementing her, but by helping her realize what she really was, and what she really could be. That he could help her become what she always had the potential to be. And if he were to disappear, she's still be real--forever transformed. And in the story? The rabbit wants so badly to become real, and the faerie finally comes and kisses him on the nose and he finds himself playing in a field with real rabbits. But it was the boy's love that made him real. I was wondering if anyone else had thought of this connection. It's a stretch, I know... not everyone reads children's stories. (It's a wonderful story for those of us who imagined our stuffed animals to be real, though. Highly recommended.) I strongly doubt that this was what Tori had in mind when she wrote the song, but one can never be sure. :o) Anyway, if nothing else, I just wanted to call attention to that. I thought it was pretty cool. Love, Sara Beth Bauer, star reporter "Let me live, love, and say it well in good sentences!" --Sylvia Plath ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:55:29 EST From: ToriPhileX@aol.com Subject: Anyone have the PPV concert on CD? Hey everyone. Does anyone have a CD of the Tori/Alanis PPV concert? I really want one, since I didn't get to see the show. I've found them in the bootleg newsgroup, but the guy who has them wants $35 for it (and it's a CD-R!! ridiculous...) E-mail me if you do. Thanks in advance! Reece ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 07:33:24 EST From: "Terry Ferrell" Subject: Re: THE FINAL STRAW! Hey Kat and everyone else, I can totally realate to what kat is saying here. I know that if someone were to look at me, they probably wouldnt think that I am in love with tori and some of the other artist i like. I'm a preppy boy that works at GAP. The other month at school, I was getting out of my car to go into school, and I have 2 tori amos stickers on the back wind shield of my car. WHen i was gettting out of my car this "gotic" girl was with like 2 of her other friends and she was like "YOU LIKE TORI???" And i was like, like isnt the word of it. And then she went on to say in so many words that I didnt have any business listening to Tori because I am and hang out with the "trendy preppy popular" group at school. Okay normally I am very accepting person even though i may not appear that way sometimes, but that was it, so i made the comment that just because she was a total loser in school and i'm not doesnt mean i cant listen to tori. I'm sorry, i know that sounds very horrible and stuck up, but when someone insults me about sometime like tori, i cant hold anything. Tori is the one thing in life that is my passion, her music has gotten me through so much and for someone to tell that i cant listen to her because i am not dressing right thats just fucked up. I dont want you guys to think i am like being snobby or anything and send me like a bunch or horible e-mails because I'm not, I'm just saying it really pissed me off that some people think you have to dress a certain way to listen to certain types of music. So there is my thoughts on this subject, just had to stick up for the preppy ears with feet. Terry. AIM--VAstud82 >From: KatP410@aol.com >Reply-To: KatP410@aol.com >To: Gidefab@aol.com, precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: THE FINAL STRAW! >Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:29:51 EST > > >OK!OK! I am kinda huffed right now! If one thing I have learned though my >Tori experience is to accpet other people, accept and embrace the way you >are! But when I hear things like ...They didn't look like Tori types. Tell >me, dear, what does a Tori type look like? To the Tori concert (all 5 I >have been to..is that die-hard) I have worn Khakis or jeans and a plain >shirt. I have red hair (obviously died) and that is it! I guess I am sick >and tired of people claiming to be accepting labeling me a conformist. I >don't like out there styles! On Tori they look FAB! But me...nope! So I >stick to my Gap American Eagle garb. But, I am one of TORI'S MOST >APPRECIATIVE FANS! I do not mean to be a bitch...but those girls you stood >next to could have been me! And I am feircly in love with her! So...is >short, repect the preppies! We are just like you! We just like to match and >wear cotton! >But, Gildefab, I really liked how you cleaned up with that quote! I don't >mean it just to you. It is all people like that! >I arrive early and I stay all night, I just didn't change for the party. >Which makes me a non-conformist in itself... >*smooches* >Kat ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:09:23 EST From: "Terry Ferrell" Subject: Professional Widow Okay I know this has probably been answered but I have not been paying attention that much in the past becasue the joy of filling out college applications has been taking up a lot of my time. Anyway my question is, what is being said at the opening of Professional Widow on the 5 and 1/2 weeks tour shows? I can hear the man recording talking and everything but i cannot tell what he is saying. Someone please please please tell me, it is about to drive me up the wall!!!!! Thanks Terry. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 01:14:11 CST From: "Joshua Meier" Subject: appearances and whatnot Okay, so to tell the honest-to-god truth, this is the 3rd time I've sat through a discussion on this mailing list where there is a constant back and forth flame war on "what a tori fan should look/be/act like". and frankly, it's boring. and old. and, not to paint my own paradigm, redundant. So I'm just asking for it to cool off. In the name of respect of tori and just people in general, how's about we stop with the classification system. I mean, for real, it's out of control. So that said, I have enclosed an article I wrote to my school newspaper in response an hate crime that occured on our campus recently. If you feel compelled, read it. But please don't disregard that fact that the generalizations need to stop. It's so de clase. thank you josh - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On Tuesday morning, February 22, 2000, a very inflamatory message was discovered spray painted on the side of Kirkland Fine Arts Center. The text was as follows: "Go Home Fags"^Å I wish I could look at these horrific events and blame them on ghosts. I wish I could place the blame on something not-human, something not capable of knowing emotions and understanding. I wish I could blame them on pre-historic man; a neanderthal who crawled through a time portal and accidentally spray painted vulgarities, not knowing what his actions would cause. I wish I could blame them on some backwoods lunatic who has the ability to form sentences only out of words he has heard on the Jerry Springer show. I wish I could blame them on someone who didn't have any knowledge at all, some brute who crawled out from under a rock and in his ignorance plastered degrading messages simply because he could. I wish for much. It's too bad wishes so very rarely come true. I know that it's not a ghost or a neanderthal or a backwoods lunatic or a rock brute. I know that it is someone with the ability and audacity to print degradations on a public building and then go laugh to his friends about it. I wish it was something not human. I am 6'1, or 6'3. It depends on the shoes I am wearing the day you see me. I have slightly shaggy brown hair and brown eyes. I walk with a purpose. I sit outside on spring days and enjoy the weather. I read books and expand my knowledge. I take joy in my friends and my ability to share life with the people around me. I love hearing an upbeat song in my car when I'm driving. I love my parents. What really bothers me about the events that took place on that random Tuesday morning is the fact that the person who committed this foul crime is probably just like me. He enjoys warm days and spending time with his friends. He loves rip-roaring on the highway while his favorite song is blasting on the radio. And yet, despite all this, he enjoys torturing those who are different from himself. And even more mind-boggling is the fact that the people he is belittling and berating aren't different. They are the same as he, except for the fact that they live a different lifestyle - one that does not, in fact, compromise any part of his own. If he saw me walking down the street, he probably would acknowledge me and keep on walking. As would I. That's part of the atmosphere here, part of the lifestyle. People pay heed to those around them in a docile, well-mannered appreciation, and yet there seems to be no need to proclaim differences when you walk past a person. I've walked the length of Halsted south through the Cabrini Green Housing Projects in Chicago, a place dangerous to those passing through and those who live there, where a person like me would be shot simply for being in the vicinity. I didn't look over my shoulder once. I'm afraid to walk this campus alone at night. Is that the point? Is that the reason behind defiling and degrading another human being who looks, acts, and thinks just like you? To strike fear? To be a vigilante for the cause? My question is what cause? Who are you, my brother, my twin, my killer, fighting against me - attempting to frighten me and mine into a state where we fear walking alone, on the Millikin University campus, a place of flourishing cultural diversity, an institution devoted to challenging ignorance and wiping out hate, at night? If that's the case, if that's the only reason, then I say have balls. Have guts. If you're going to hate me, hate me all the time, not only at night. Not when I'm asleep and can't defend myself. Cowardice is so unbecoming. I find myself wondering if I would ever have the braggadaccio to take a can of spray paint, find a very visible public wall, and write "Go Home Hetero's." "Go Home Straights." "We don't need your kind here." Very simply, I would rather shoot myself in the knee than evoke such pain on other people. Because to hate, to deny yourself the opportunity of learning and knowledge is the worst crime I can think of. In a world where it's undeniable to meet at least one person different from you in their lifestyle, a lifestyle that's not even a choice - one inherent, that cannot be avoided, why would you choose to decry and berate this small, petty difference? I am gay. But you wouldn't know if you passed me on the street. You wouldn't know if you said hi and smiled. You wouldn't know if we carried on casual conversation about a class we're both in. There's no tattoo on my forehead proclaiming my choice that's not a choice, my sexuality that is in me, was in me, always will be in me. I don't wear a scarlet "G" on my chest. Exactly the same as you who are heterosexual. Exactly that way you don't have any prominent markings, no signs or sandwich boards that say "I am straight." So here is my challenge to you. To everyone. To the world. There's no point in terrorizing lifestyles. They can't be changed. If they could, don't you think they would? Do you honestly believe that I enjoy being slandered, being prosecuted, being pillaged and raped in a world where every face I see is a mirror reflection? I am a human. Don't treat me otherwise. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V5 #59 ************************************