From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #321 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, October 25 1999 Volume 04 : Number 321 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Cloud on my Tongue ["Erin Martin" ] Re: platform shoes [angel dust ] Re: platform shoes [Lina Correia ] Re: 99 compared to 98 [Richard Handal ] new Tori video to air on 120 Minutes tonight!!!! ["Boys4Pele" ] Trader question ["Sonya Harway" ] tori's favorite words [SYNCJ05@aol.com] where to put your energy ["Wake UpNeo" ] Ana Voog newsleter. [RHPSshock@aol.com] SATY mermaid ["Wake UpNeo" ] Re: ["*delirium gal*" ] Re: Regulars, Richard and the Tori Experience [Richard Handal Subject: Re: Cloud on my Tongue Hullo! >I found this a long time ago and I'd love to give credit to the person who >wrote it, but I don't know who >wrote it. >Anyway this girl did a beautiful interpretation IMHO and that song is my >favorite on UTP so I just wanted to share. > >Oh and I almost forgot. >Here's a quote by the goddess (Tori that is) herself. I believe this interpretation came from the Torimaniacs site. members.aol.com/~zooberries/toriamos/torimaniacs.htm That site's got some good interpretations on it, imho. It's worth checking out. :) Erin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:58:18 EDT From: angel dust Subject: Re: platform shoes not if they're used to it. like me. i'm about 5' 6" and wear tall boots ALL the time, and am so used to it now. and if i try to wear flat or short shoes i'm real uncomfortable. like latex, fur and feathers: angel - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would think it would be unbearable to stand up in platforms for that length of time!, and a bit dangerous too, as I would imagine lots of toes would get stood on in confined areas!. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:51:14 -0700 From: Lina Correia Subject: Re: platform shoes squidgy wrote: > > I would think it would be unbearable to stand up in platforms for that > length of time!, and a bit dangerous too, as I would imagine lots of toes > would get stood on in confined areas!. Surprisingly it is not. With the way they make shoes these days, they can be very light if you've got the bucks to buy a good pair. Take it from a short one on her feet all day. The shoes are it. And of course the older kids in my school think the teacher has taste. As for concerts, if you don't, at my height, you don't see. So, thank god for platforms. Lina ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:42:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: 99 compared to 98 Kat said: > I wanted to say that this tour seemed so much more fair with the meet > and greets. Thanks for pointing that out, Kat. Some folks complaining about this didn't seem to notice the difference. I wanted to mention the difference in the music from last year to this year. The other day I saw the two songs from Glastonbury which ABC TV showed on July 4 last year. (Precious and Crucify.) I remember getting chills when I first saw Precious last year on this program, and thinking how much it and the band had progressed since the first of the U.K. shows last year which I'd attended. It amazed me how far yet again it and the band had progressed since then. The band and the arrangements this year were more tightly focussed than those relatively early days last year--not by a little but by a lot. I hope the same players can be reassembled next time out and pick up near where they left off growing together on this tour. That is, of course, unless she decides to go in another direction all together next time out. I never take anything for granted with Tori. All things seem possible. :-) Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:17:01 -0500 From: "Boys4Pele" Subject: new Tori video to air on 120 Minutes tonight!!!! Hey all! I thought I would just share with everyone that I got word that a new Tori Amos video will air on 120 Minutes tonight. I confirmed it at the MTV website: - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- 120 Minutes shows you the world's greatest alternative videos. Make sure to watch October 25th at 12 a.m (ET) / 11 p.m (CT) for another brand new 120 Minutes. This week's special guests are Creed and Travis Meeks from Days of the New. Don't miss it! We will be debuting videos from: NIRVANA TORI AMOS GOMEZ STROKE 9 EVERYTHING BUT THE GIRL MARCY PLAYGROUND THE PROMISE RING LEN ASH FUEL AND 120 DEBUTS FROM: GARBAGE CREED MARILYN MANSON 120 Minutes last aired on Sunday October 3rd at 12 a.m (ET) / 11 p.m. (CT). Our special guests were Joe Strummer and Ed Kowalczyk from LIVE. Make sure you catch 120 Minutes every Sunday for your dosage of the best alternative videos on television. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- So there you have it! Everyone be sure to watch 120 Minutes tonight! Melissa boys4pele@prodigy.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 22:07:05 -0400 From: woj sven-woj Subject: rosie o'donnell mp3s toriadores, i've just placed mp2 from tori's appearance on the rosie o'donnell show up on the web. here are the urls: http://www.smoe.org/woj/Rosie-01-1000_oceans.mp3 http://www.smoe.org/woj/Rosie-02-interview.mp3 enjoy! woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:47:47 EDT From: "Sonya Harway" Subject: Trader question Okay. I have probably been screwed on a trade, because it's been over a year now. There was a guy on this list called Nicolas Lukasz. He is from Argentina and a long time ago his email address was lacasona@overnet.com.ar and/or lacasona@argenete.com . When he joined back up he was on the email address of nicotorilist@hotmail.com and said he left a lot of trades unfinished. Mine was one of those, so I have emailed him three times, but he has never emailed me back. And my emails haven't bounced or anything, so I would assume he's gotten them. Is there anyone who had an unfinished trade with this guy and had it finally finished? Is there anyone else who has also been screwed? If Nicolas is on this list, PLEASE contact me; I have tried to contact you three times. Thanks. love, sonya =Thank you for your squirrel= http://home.collegeclub.com/sharway/toriboot.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:17:27 EDT From: SYNCJ05@aol.com Subject: tori's favorite words hi ewf~ i don't remember who asked this question but i'm pretty sure tori said her 2 favorite words were toodles and yummy HTH :) Megan SYNCJ05@aol.com *So sure we were on something your feet are just on the ground, girl* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:05:37 GMT From: "Wake UpNeo" Subject: where to put your energy Daisy Melanie said: "So my whole point is that perhaps the non-regulars have actually made a choice (maybe unconsciously) to heed other calls in their lives that take up the time and energy and $$$ that is takes to be a regular. Am I making sense? I dont mean to offend, I am just suggesting that people look at this from a different angle." Daisy I'm so sorry those letters on the list made you sad. I've had the same feeling on another list reading just such needless viciousness (actually it was even worse). It's so painful to even read about people being hateful, even if it is 'only' in print. You made a very good point, I would like to experience what it's like to be a bit of a road dog alongside Tori's show and the 'regulars', but I've chosen to do other things instead. I do not for a moment begrudge any of them their experience, though. That to me would be silly. They aren't forcing me to stay home, I am. So why shouldn't they enjoy their choice, which is not to stay home but to see as many shows as they can, meet as many EWF cross country (and even across oceans) as they can ? They should. I do love it when EWF share their thoughts and experiences, though. I've tried to share mine, what there has been of them anyway. Ever mindful of once being in a small town where nothing ever really seemed to happen (and this was before the 'net existed, so I couldn't even hear about things lol). People may just lurk and not write to thank, but I think so many out there appreciate when someone shares what they have seen and heard and even felt, on tour. Whatever the story may be. Cos then it's like we all got to be there (together). I dunno, I just think it's a spiritual thing to try and share what's in your heart. Of course, it's up to each individual to decide whether they're comfortable enough yet to do that. Just wanted to say I agree with you Daisy; poison pen letters are unfortunate (thin line sometimes between a dissenting opinion and pure hate mail). And each of us have made our choices where to spend our time, money and energy. I love seeing the 'regulars' at shows cos they always look so happy. K. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:55:36 EDT From: RHPSshock@aol.com Subject: Ana Voog newsleter. This is from the Ana Voog newsleter. "there are some pix of tori and i having our conversation here: http://members.aye.net/~mikewhy/anavoog.html a very cool tori amos site! also, if u noticed in the menu next to the cam picture, i have a picture of "steve madden's tori shoe" click on it to find out how u can own a pair AND help victims of rape and incest at the same time !! and cyka , the first russian camgirl wrote me this last night: It's 16h09 here and I'm working and listening to the radio. There's yet *another* intro for the new Tori Amos song that has just been released in Russia and rocketed to number 2 the first week. Anyway, there was a translated quotes and news, detailing what Tori is up to with the new album and touring and mentioned that she just performed in NYC, but the performance was a minor detail considering the amount of press and interviewing she did there, including an interview with 'internet adventurer and artist, Ana Voog'" that's all she said that had to do with Tori. -angelina. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:19:59 GMT From: "Wake UpNeo" Subject: SATY mermaid Hi Cindy; You asked: "I basically had a question about the mermaid. "what if I'm a mermaid in these jeans of his with her name still on it" What's that about? Could anyone tell me? I've always wondered and I just thought I would ask the list" I've always 'seen' a pair of jeans that's stretched out in the shape of him and her (the boyfriend and his ex) but not the speaker (singer). Ever worn your boyfriend's jeans ? I picture the singer wearing those jeans but knowing/feeling they have been worn by the girl before her, even though they're the boyfriend's. Maybe in this moment she feels inconsequential or just like the latest one to wear his jeans. Maybe she feels like the jeans matter to him more and have more permanence in his life than she does even. Maybe it's not even an ex but a rival, judging by some of the other lyrics. Tori's (or the character she plays when singing it) trying to find her voice, which hasn't really been there until now (implying she's been treated as not very important before and didn't say boo about it), and speak up to him. "What if I'm a mermaid" is kind of a playful image, it means okay I'm wearing jeans some other woman's worn of yours, I'm just another girl to you, but what if I'm not, what if I'm a mermaid... In short she is trying to get him to see her individuality and her magic. K. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:14:42 -0400 From: "*delirium gal*" Subject: Re: YAY Gus!!! ::eating cheesecake and floating in space with a datura flower tucked behind her ear:: WOOOhoooo! Sugar is good, but cock is better, *delirium* Visit my website at http://fly.to/JupiterAndBack "I think Venus can be anywhere, can be left somewhere if you've left pieces of yourself with somebody else."- Tori Amos - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, October 23, 1999 11:29 PM Subject: Re: > > In a message dated 10/23/99 10:17:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > angelraven@juno.com writes: > > > does anyone here have any OLDER extra tori posters (large ones, not paper > > size) that you're willing to sell? or know of any stores near you that > > sell them? if so, i would pay a good amount of money, and if you have > > any stores near-by, i could send you the $ if you could pick it up for > > me and send it through snail mail..... PLEASE?!?!? > > > > like latex, fur and feathers: angel > > > Honey, I don't know which one you specifically need, but I am sure this web > site should have something: www.allposters.com If not, then do a search and > see if there are other places. I am personally looking for a Pele poster, > where the pig is enjoying her boob. I so want to custom frame that, and see > the look on the peoples faces, heehee. if you see anything let me know. > > -Gus > "And he waits....and he waits..." > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:09:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Regulars, Richard and the Tori Experience C.F. said: > I have seen Tori a couple of times in concert and even met her once. > But, it wasn't such a powerful experience to make me give up > everything else in my life just to have that experience over and > over. I'm perfectly willing to understand and to accept that you have a different relationship with the shows than I do. Why don't you have the ability to accept the fact that others may have different relationships with the shows than *you* do, and that they might be moved to make tremendous efforts to see many of them? As far as I'm concerned, with the shows affecting me the way they do, if there were any way to see a show and I didn't make the effort, I'd be a masochist. Why should I deny myself intensely pleasurable, emotionally and spiritually satisfying experiences which are irreplicable? So that people such as you, C.F., might pass positive judgment on my actions? Hold not thy breath. I live for myself, not for the acceptance and understanding of others. I know what's important to ME, and no one else does. And I don't act so egomaniacal as to think that I can tell others what decisions they "should" be making in their lives as pertains to the relative amounts of pleasure and fulfillment anyone else gets from any activities in which they may choose to participate. Why this seems a radical notion to some eludes me. (That's being generous.) I don't usually feel comfortable speaking for Tori, but I have every confidence that she agrees with me on this. And, yes, she's expressed concern to various of us wondering what our stories are with respect to how we've been able to go to so many shows, and I explained my job situation to her on this tour when she sat me down on her couch. (Never thought I'd have ever been discussing my civil service status with Tori Amos, but if that's what she wants to talk about, then fine.) Since I have some amount of paternalistic feelings toward her, I suppose it's only appropriate that she have some maternalistic feelings toward me. But I've made it clear to her how much the shows mean to me, and she's obviously okay with it. (Not that this is anyone else's business but hers and mine in the first place.) I find those who feel the need to sit in judgment to be a sad, egocentric crowd. I hope you all have nice lives--away from me. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:19:21 EDT From: ". ." Subject: Re:regulars, richard and the tori experience from a "regular" hi there people i know this has been given too much attention already but i'm like dying to say something. firstly, i am went to a majority of the shows this year. i live in new hampshire (ugh) and flew to baltimore in august to catch a ride with an angel who barely knew me and offered his car and company to a stranger. we drove an insane number of miles from baltimore to florida (you can figure it out but i'm sure he has the exact number of miles in his memory) and then proceeded to make the trek all the way back up the east coast. i sacrificed a few things to get there, monetarily and socially. i missed out on a few events to live on the road for almost a month. but nothing could have meant more to me than the people i met on that trip. they are the most darling, caring, outrageous, silly, friendly people i could ever hope to be a part of my life. you don't understand until you meet them and spend countless nights traveling with them, sleep with a carload of them in your room, eat with them at the nearest accomodating denny's, ask with them if anyone has any extra tickets floating around in their pockets (and experience their subsequent looks of disgust or generousity. however, i don't remember losing any pride...) and everything else that comes with being young and excited and on the road. after being home for way too long after the columbus show i flew to la. yes, for the weekend. for two shows. maybe i'm nuts but i missed the music. i missed the friends i knew would all be there. hell, i even missed alanis' spastic dancing. so i went. with no tickets, enough money for food and transport, i jumped on a plane. and i don't regret a second of it. i had the best time. the shows were incredible and the pride i felt when i got back on that plane on monday morning was overwhelming. after another painful week at home i flew to dallas to meet up with another newly acquainted friend to make a 2000 mile journey in a day and half to portland oregon. i hoped, but neither of us expected, to make it. we did and the next few weeks and shows were some of the best of my life. when tori left the stage for the fourth and last time in denver i knew that nothing i had sacrificed had meant anything in comparison to this experience. the friends i had made, the shows i'd seen, the country i'd traveled through, it all meant more than anything i'd given up. and it will mean more to me in the years to come, i know for certain. on the 12th i flew into boston and jumped on a bus immediatly down to new york city. there i saw all the familiar faces and went to the conan taping and finally the hard rock live taping. it was the perfect closure to a life changing journey. it was shorter then a normal concert, but it was complete nonetheless. it was emotional when it was over but i was surrounded by people who cushioned me. i couldn't imagine not having them around and wouldn't have wanted to share it with anyone else. i went to one meet and greet, in boise. and spoke to tori only once during the whole trip and that wasn't until the last night in new york city. and that was a total coincedence, spur of the moment occasion. i have to say, speaking only for myself of course, that i went for many reasons. tori was definitely one of them. she was definitely my motivation. i wanted to see her perform as many times as i possibly could. she is so random and i don't know how much longer she'll tour at all. she is one of the most inspirational and gifted musicians i've ever encountered. when she gets up on that stage and starts playing that damn piano it's like being in a different universe. it's like everything else can disappear under the layers of sound she surrounds us with. i'm not going to lie to you. i'm not going to say "oh it's all about the people" "oh it's all about traveling" that's a lie. it's about ALL of those things. it's about the friends, the music, the traveling, seeing tori and the way she reacts to different people and different settings, the world tori's music has helped set around us. it's so amazing that all these people can come together and be totally different and from opposite parts of the country and have so little in common (believe me that's true) but they can join up and become dear friends. that is the most important thing that happened to me during these last few months and thousands of miles. anyway, i know i'm babbling. so maybe you think we're all nuts. (however, we are all individuals and lead respectable and separate lives outside of this). and i respect your opinion. but you don't know anything about it. obviously you don't know, because you wouldn't be able to say the things you say about these people, about these amazing times. all i can say is nobody understands unless they've done it. nobody understands until they've made the effort. met the people. experienced the immense compassion of them. and the magic of a few months on the road with tori and her crazy crew. thanks for listening if you bothered, natalie emma ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #321 *************************************