From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #320 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, October 24 1999 Volume 04 : Number 320 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: platform shoes ["squidgy" ] Silent all these Years about abortion? [Cindy2Love@aol.com] RE: Regulars, Richard and the Tori Experience ["Poof" ] stuff ["Poof" ] 99 compared to 98 [Fairywinged@aol.com] Cloud on my Tongue [Cindy2Love@aol.com] Re: [Freedom110@aol.com] Shows and Shagging ["squidgy" ] Re: bidding on tori items on Yahoo! auctions [angel dust ] Tori on 120 Minutes this Sunday !!!!! ["Ears with Feet" ] Re: [Freedom110@aol.com] Re: boot question [Michael Curry ] Re: Girls in her dresses and they ARE there... [Giovanni Mantilla Subject: Re: platform shoes I would think it would be unbearable to stand up in platforms for that length of time!, and a bit dangerous too, as I would imagine lots of toes would get stood on in confined areas!. - ---------- >From: "Wake UpNeo" >To: handal@min.net, precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: platform shoes >Date: Sat, Oct 23, 1999, 2:55 > > > Just wanted to add a (hopefully) humorous note to this thread. > > > > Someone else (sorry!) then Richard both said: > > > > "> My advice to those who are short - wear platforms!! > > > > This is a common practice among many of the shorter folks attending the > > shows. It sometimes makes for an interesting sight at the shows.  :-)" > > > > Heehee. > > > > The Steve Madden "Tori" shoe comes to mind ! Now the platform aspect of > them (not good for klutzes like me, tho they were quite comfy when tried on) > makes more sense. ;o) > > > > Next tour... Tori shoes, for all the more petite EWF ! :o) If I were a > millionaire I'd buy 'em for all y'all :o) > > > > LOL. > > > > > > K. > > medium height with a bad back...where does that fit in ? ;oP > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:25:01 EDT From: Cindy2Love@aol.com Subject: Silent all these Years about abortion? I know everybody's into discussing the new album and I'm fully interested in your interpretations on that, but I was just thinking about SATY because my friend was telling me yesterday that my interpretation is completely wrong so I thought maybe other people had a different view of this song. I always thought this song was about a young girl who thinks she's pregnant and is considering abortion. "my scream got lost in a papercup" = pregnancy test "saved again by the garbage truck" = she threw her pregnancy test away so her mother wouldn't see it. "Boy you best pray that I bleed real soon" = Well self explanatory. She hopes she's not pregnant and she gets her period. "I got 25 bucks and a cracker do you think it's enough to get us there?" = 25 bucks to pay for the abortion and a cracker to keep from vomitting from morning sickness "so you found a girl who thinks really deep thoughts" = he's dumping her because she's pregnant "One more casualty you know we're two easy" = She's considering abortion, but she feels she can't take the easy way out and abort her child. I basically had a question about the mermaid. "what if I'm a mermaid in these jeans of his with her name still on it" What's that about? Could anyone tell me? I've always wondered and I just thought I would ask the list because you guys always have amazing insight on stuff like this. I apologize for the roughness of my short intepretation. It's definitely not one of my better ones. Love ya, *Cindy* I won't say goodbye only see you in the dreamtime Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:57:32 -0500 From: "Poof" Subject: RE: Regulars, Richard and the Tori Experience I've been following the "regulars" thread for a few days now, and I now feel the need to respond. I see the whole "if I had the money or blah to do what they do I would" thing come up quite a bit. I think that a lot of people overlook the fact that a lot of time the money is NOT there. These people struggle to get from city to city. It's not EASY being a "regular." I would say that 75% of following Tori around as a "regular" is because of the family that you make doing it. I believe that Tori is only 25% of it, if not less. The regulars are NOT at the front of every meet and greet or the front of every show...and if they were...it's their right. The "non-regulars" had just as much of a chance to get up front as the "regulars" did. They don't sleep with the security guards to get up front. They use their intelligence. Should they sacrifice their want to be up front for people aren't using their intelligence to get up there? I don't think that it's selfish, because they don't control any part of the environment. They do they think that they're above anyone, either. There is no "playing god" when it comes to them. They sacrifice so much to do what they do. They will skip meals just to have the money to get to the next city. SOME even sell their pride for tickets by begging. It's like a travelling commune. The "regulars" become a family. The main reason they continue to follow her for months is to be around the other "regulars," because sometimes that's the only connection to people like themselves (in person) that they have. Anyone that thinks that the "regulars" have it better than anyone, that they are selfish, or that they think their God...then you are WRONG. How often do you sleep on the ground or in your car outside of a venue? How often do you get food poisoning and keep going? Drive thousands of miles through everything. Run out of money........some would say that they're pathetic people. Pathetic is when someone can't even help themselves. These people are not pathetic. It's an experience of a lifetime. When you are 65 years old what kind of stories are you going to tell your grandchildren? About the time you drove from Memphis to Nashville just to see Tori, or about the time you dropped your life and joined about 30 to 50 other people to travel and see the country. They come out of it a lot more learn-ed that those that go to two shows and complain about the ones that went to all of them. They have experienced so much more. They have been through every struggle that the different parts of this country can throw at them. Seeing Tori is just the added bonus. - --------------------------- Joshiieee (Poof) webmaster of: Poof URL: http://poof.simplenet.com/ sub-sites: Angelic Script | http://poof.simplenet.com/AngelicScript/ A Bath of Glitter | http://poof.simplenet.com/ABathOfGlitter/ "holes and soules > and merging men > an angel possesses > the empty within" - - angelic script ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:48:47 EDT From: angel dust Subject: Re: digital spew from atlantic she played 1,000 oceans and they talked about her drugs thing. like latex, fur and feathers: angel - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does n e one have a copy of the interview on rosie if their was one or what she played or whatever?? I missed it dammit Thanx *^*CornFlake girl~ ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:22:19 -0500 From: "Poof" Subject: stuff I'd like to apologize for the many grammatical errors in my post. I didn't re-read it...ha...oh well. So, What's up with the rumors that Tori was planned to be on Rolling Stone in NOV?? Is this still true? The first Nov. edition is not Tori...does that mean she'll be on the second Nov. edition? hmm...anyone with info, pls post. - --------------------------- Poof webmaster of: Poof URL: http://poof.simplenet.com/ sub-sites: Angelic Script | http://poof.simplenet.com/AngelicScript/ A Bath of Glitter | http://poof.simplenet.com/ABathOfGlitter/ "holes and soules > and merging men > an angel possesses > the empty within" - - angelic script > -----Original Message----- > From: Poof [mailto:poof@poof.simplenet.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 1999 12:58 PM > To: Precious Things > Subject: RE: Regulars, Richard and the Tori Experience > > > I've been following the "regulars" thread for a few days now, and > I now feel the need to respond. I see the whole "if I had the > money or blah to do what they do I would" thing come up quite a > bit. I think that a lot of people overlook the fact that a lot of > time the money is NOT there. These people struggle to get from > city to city. It's not EASY being a "regular." I would say that > 75% of following Tori around as a "regular" is because of the > family that you make doing it. I believe that Tori is only 25% of > it, if not less. The regulars are NOT at the front of every meet > and greet or the front of every show...and if they were...it's > their right. The "non-regulars" had just as much of a chance to > get up front as the "regulars" did. They don't sleep with the > security guards to get up front. They use their intelligence. > Should they sacrifice their want to be up front for people aren't > using their intelligence to get up there? I don't think that it's > selfish, because they don't control any part of the environment. > They do they think that they're above anyone, either. There is no > "playing god" when it comes to them. They sacrifice so much to do > what they do. They will skip meals just to have the money to get > to the next city. SOME even sell their pride for tickets by begging. > > It's like a travelling commune. The "regulars" become a family. > The main reason they continue to follow her for months is to be > around the other "regulars," because sometimes that's the only > connection to people like themselves (in person) that they have. > Anyone that thinks that the "regulars" have it better than > anyone, that they are selfish, or that they think their > God...then you are WRONG. How often do you sleep on the ground or > in your car outside of a venue? How often do you get food > poisoning and keep going? Drive thousands of miles through > everything. Run out of money........some would say that they're > pathetic people. Pathetic is when someone can't even help > themselves. These people are not pathetic. It's an experience of > a lifetime. When you are 65 years old what kind of stories are > you going to tell your grandchildren? About the time you drove > from Memphis to Nashville just to see Tori, or about the time you > dropped your life and joined about 30 to 50 other people to > travel and see the country. They come out of it a lot more > learn-ed that those that go to two shows and complain about the > ones that went to all of them. They have experienced so much > more. They have been through every struggle that the different > parts of this country can throw at them. Seeing Tori is just the > added bonus. > > --------------------------- > Joshiieee (Poof) > > > webmaster of: Poof > URL: http://poof.simplenet.com/ > sub-sites: > Angelic Script | http://poof.simplenet.com/AngelicScript/ > A Bath of Glitter | http://poof.simplenet.com/ABathOfGlitter/ > > "holes and soules > and merging men > an angel possesses > the > empty within" > - angelic script > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:50:41 EDT From: Fairywinged@aol.com Subject: 99 compared to 98 I wanted to say that this tour seemed so much more fair with the meet and greets. I remember in 98 just being so upset about who was on the front row of every meet and greet and them having something to say like "hey tori how are you today" when there are people like me that wanted to say something extremely personal that would to me be a closure to a tragic happening in my life. but in 99 I saw all those people that stayed on the front rows all last year start hanging back and just standing at the back row. which i thought finally they have seen the light :) but i just wanted to say that this years tour to me wasn't as selfish at the meet and greet as last year not to say that this year didn't have its moments but overall it was so much better I had my chance to say my piece and i feel so much better kat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:07:33 EDT From: Cindy2Love@aol.com Subject: Cloud on my Tongue Your thoughts on cloud on my tongue are very interesting and I just wanted to share this interpretation of the song. I found this a long time ago and I'd love to give credit to the person who wrote it, but I don't know who wrote it. Anyway I thought it was a great interpretation of the song so I saved it. I think I already shared it with this list, but we always have the same conversations which is cool. Okay cloud on my tongue... "Well, to be honest I don't know a whole lot about the song. It's one of those songs that has me kind of stumped. First, I'll tell you the feeling I get from it. I get the feeling that she's been hurt by a failed relationship. The other person in the relationship has moved on to other people, but for some reason he has come back. She knows that she shouldn't let him in, but she's lonely and she really does want him back. Another possibility is that it is a new relationship, but she doesn't want to let him in because she knows he'll eventually leave her in the cold. So, he tries to get in the side door where she's more vulnerable. Or it could be just the letting go of an old lover that has moved onto someone new. To try and pin these feelings to specific lyrics is difficult. It's just the way it makes me feel, but I'll do my best. First she says 'Someone's knocking on my kitchen door.' The kitchen evokes several feelings for me. First, it's a place of warmth. People cook in the kitchen. It's usually warmer than the rest of the house. Secondly it's a familiar place. Families spend a lot of time in the kitchen. People who are familiar with each other spend a lot of time in the kitchen. She also uses it as if the kitchen door is a side entrance and not the front door. That implies that the person has already been there. The formality of a new relationship is gone. Or this is the place this person chooses to enter because she is more vulnerable at her side entrance. She may not be expecting to find him here so her guard is down. Then she says 'leave the wood outside' I think of wood being used for a fireplace. A way to heat the home. So it sounds like he's trying to warm her up. Perhaps he has hurt her and he's trying to win her back. Or she's been resisting his advances and he's brought 'wood' to try and warm her up to him. She follows that with 'all the girls are freezing cold' 'It's hard to hide a hundred girls in your hair' Maybe the guy's a player and she's not the only one who's been hurt by him. 'hard to hide a hundred girls in your hair' = difficulty in hiding a bad reputation. She may feel that she's just another in a long line of girls who have been hurt by him or that she will be hurt by him. She tells him to 'leave me with your Borneo I don't need much to keep me warm' I had a hard time with this because I couldn't figure out what she meant by 'Borneo.' I know that it is an island that lies in the South Pacific, but I felt there had to be another meaning. I thought that maybe it meant coat or blanket or something in another language. Or maybe that it was a brand name for a kind of coat in England (where she lives now). But then I looked up Borneo in the encyclopedia and I found something that made sense. The island of Borneo lies in the South Pacific and is covered mostly by dense jungles and rain forests. This means that it has an extremely hot and humid climate. Looking at it this way, that line in the lyrics becomes sarcastic. She's telling him that it doesn't take much to keep her warm so he should just leave her with his Borneo. In other words: It's going to take more than a fire in the heart to warm up to her. It seems to me that when she says 'don't stop now what you're doing, what you're doin my ugly one' that she is saying it in her head almost. It's like on the outside she is trying to resist but on the inside she's really melting. She says 'it won't be fair if I hate her, if I ate her.' I can only explain what that means to me through an analogy. In the last relationship I was in before I got married, I got burned pretty badly because the guy I was seeing was also seeing his ex-fiancee. I didn't know it. He lied to me about it for nearly a year. Even when he finally dumped me for her, he didn't tell me the truth about it. In fact, I learned the truth from her when we ended up at the same party together. I couldn't hate her for it because it wasn't her fault. It's easy to shift the blame away from the person we love onto the person they love, but that's not fair. It was not her responsibility to inform me about their relationship. She didn't even know me. And if he lied to me about it, what would keep him from lying to her about it? And even if she did know that he was in another relationship, can I really hate her for getting involved with him? No. By this time she has said 'you can go now' several times. This is her resisting him. Or perhaps she is just trying to let him go in her heart. She wants to release him. But the next line reveals 'you're already in there, I'll be wearing your tatoo' A tattoo is a permanent mark, maybe even a label. She'll be forever marked by this person. If this is an old relationship I feel that she's either saying that even though she's letting him go, she'll be his forever, or she's saying that he's marked her (damaged her) permanently. In a way I think the lines 'you're already in there' could symbolize that he's impregnated her. I know there is a Tori quote somewhere out there where she says exactly this. The lines 'got a cloud sleeping on my tongue, he goes, then it goes and kiss the violets as they're waking up' This is the part that says it's temporary. For one brief moment it's paradise. Ya know how love feels. It's like heaven on earth. It's a cloud sleeping on your tongue. Then the moment passes and he leaves and the feeling leaves and you're left with the emptiness of it being over. Finally the circles.... When you're suffering from the confusion of keeping someone out or letting someone go, that you really want to come in, you feel like you're turning in circles and you just don't know where you're going." Anyway this girl did a beautiful interpretation IMHO and that song is my favorite on UTP so I just wanted to share. Oh and I almost forgot. Here's a quote by the goddess (Tori that is) herself. "I travel a lot around the world, and I went to all sorts of places, and I ran into different people. Borneo had something that I didn't have. It was a very free. hot, jungly place, and the people that, or a person that came from there, had something that I didn't have that I desperately wanted, which was no rigidity. When i say, 'Leave the wood outside, what, all the girls here are freezing cold, leave me with your Borneo.' Or don't leave me with your Borneo, because I've had it before, and that's why I need the wood, because it just - you can go now, you're already in there, whether it's pregnant or whether it's just infused. You don't even have to hang around and watch me disintegrate, because you've already done your job. You've already accomplished what you wanted, which was another scalp on your belt, and you did it. That's not one of my favorite men songs." ~ Tori Amos Well I always love interpretation discussion. :-) *Cindy* I won't say goodbye only see you in the dreamtime Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:29:52 EDT From: Freedom110@aol.com Subject: Re: In a message dated 10/23/99 10:17:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, angelraven@juno.com writes: > does anyone here have any OLDER extra tori posters (large ones, not paper > size) that you're willing to sell? or know of any stores near you that > sell them? if so, i would pay a good amount of money, and if you have > any stores near-by, i could send you the $ if you could pick it up for > me and send it through snail mail..... PLEASE?!?!? > > like latex, fur and feathers: angel Honey, I don't know which one you specifically need, but I am sure this web site should have something: www.allposters.com If not, then do a search and see if there are other places. I am personally looking for a Pele poster, where the pig is enjoying her boob. I so want to custom frame that, and see the look on the peoples faces, heehee. if you see anything let me know. - -Gus "And he waits....and he waits..." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:57:21 +0100 From: "squidgy" Subject: Shows and Shagging > If you're right up front and have a lot of interaction with her on a > killer night, you will walk away a changed person. I've said that on a > killer night, it can be like having sex five times simultaneously. (And > people wonder why some of us go to so many shows. And that's only ONE > reason.) Cor!!, So you'd be bloody exhausted I should think, not that I would know O:-). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:48:47 EDT From: angel dust Subject: Re: bidding on tori items on Yahoo! auctions me too! i want one! like latex, fur and feathers: angel - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- this is such a long shot, but here goes... in august, i bid on a tori poster, the BfP one with her nursing the pig. anyway, the id of the person who bid against me is jason51974 - if you're on this list, could you *please* email me? i really need need to talk to you about something. :) Speaking of this poster, of tori breast feeding the piglet, does anyone know where i could possibly find one? Are they still available, were only a few made? Someone please help. - -Gus "Blossom, riot poof..." ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:27:33 EDT From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: boot question In a message dated 10/23/1999 1:18:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wkeupneo@hotmail.com writes: << "I'm used to ani difranco fans, who trade boots freely as ani says she doesn't mind (as long as you just trade, not sell). Has Tori come forward with an opinion?" The most I've ever read her as saying was that she didn't like her fans being cheated by bootleggers due to the low quality of bootlegs in general. Anyone else have anything on this ? >> she does mind, she was hesitant to play alot of the new material off of to venus and back during the 5.5 weeks tour because she didn't want the songs to be bootlegged. Most professional musicians despise bootlegs - ani difranco is of another mentality and level than tori - ani is more like the "it's ok to bootleg us" crowd started by the grateful dead and carried on by phish. Its a whole different thing. I also think Tori would be especially opposed to bootlegs at this time because of her live album. kisses, joanne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 00:11:44 CDT From: "Gate Keeper" Subject: Record Deal? Hi, About a year ago I was on some website (I'm not sure which one) but they had all these different posts from all different people (I'm almost positive it wasn't the dent). One person was saying that Tori had supposedly signed a six-album record deal with Atlanic. I hadn't heard anything else about this and I was wondering if this was true or not. It seemed very odd to me because I just thought that that would be kind of "binding" in a way, if you all know what I'm trying to say. Well, I was just wondering if anyone else had any input. Thanks a bunch, Andrew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 01:56:12 GMT From: "Ears with Feet" Subject: Tori on 120 Minutes this Sunday !!!!! Some wonderful EWF in another mailing list posted the following : << 120 Minutes shows you the world's greatest alternative videos. Make sure to watch October 25th at 12 a.m (ET) / 11p.m (CT) for another brand new 120 Minutes. This week's special guests are Creed and Travis Meeks from Days of the New. Don't miss it! We will be debuting videos from: NIRVANA TORI AMOS GOMEZ STROKE 9 EVERYTHING BUT THE GIRL MARCY PLAYGROUND THE PROMISE RING LEN ASH FUEL >> They might be airing the 1,000 Oceans video, or it might even be the video for Glory of the 80^Òs, but I really think its going to be the 1,000 Oceans video. AJ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:57:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: TORITV: fanatic rerun woj (a k a puppycakes) told us: > i was just poking around clicktv.com and noticed that mtv will be > re-running the fanatic episode which tori appeared on at 2:30pm on > thursday, october 28th. Thanks a bunch for that, woj. And, so as to possibly head off some of the bitching and moaning about the girl who was chosen as the FANatic (to which we here were "treated" the first time this was telecast), I randomly ran into her at a cafe after the Seattle show a couple weeks ago, and she's no Tori wannabe at all, as some said. She's just a girl who saw a chance to meet Tori--however small a chance she thought it was at the time--and lucked out. She was willing to conform to the many and silly MTV constrictions on questions, etc., because the trade-off seemed worth it to her. And she did indeed talk with Tori after the cameras stopped rolling, as well as at the meet and greet before that Seattle show a couple weeks back. Also, she's a humble, sweet, friendly girl. I felt lucky to have met her. (It was a total fluke that I overheard her friend saying something about her being the FANatic as a number of us were waiting in line for a table at this cafe.) Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 00:07:41 EDT From: Freedom110@aol.com Subject: Re: I also want to let you know that I found the following site: http://www.concertposters.com/ to my surprise, Tori's name, is listed on the left hand side, among other artists. I was just shocked, I never see things like that, I never see her associated in a group with other people, or music in general, which is good in a way. In a message dated 10/23/99 8:29:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Freedom110 writes: > In a message dated 10/23/99 10:17:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, angelraven@ > juno.com writes: > > > does anyone here have any OLDER extra tori posters (large ones, not > paper > > size) that you're willing to sell? or know of any stores near you that > > sell them? if so, i would pay a good amount of money, and if you have > > any stores near-by, i could send you the $ if you could pick it up for > > me and send it through snail mail..... PLEASE?!?!? > > > > like latex, fur and feathers: angel > > > Honey, I don't know which one you specifically need, but I am sure this web > site should have something: www.allposters.com If not, then do a search and > see if there are other places. I am personally looking for a Pele poster, > where the pig is enjoying her boob. I so want to custom frame that, and see > the look on the peoples faces, heehee. if you see anything let me know. > > -Gus > "And he waits....and he waits..." > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 13:19:24 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: boot question At 03:27 PM 10/23/99 -0400, XXXPandora@aol.com wrote: >she does mind, she was hesitant to play alot of the new material off of >to venus and back during the 5.5 weeks tour because she didn't want the >songs to be bootlegged. Most professional musicians despise bootlegs - >ani difranco is of another mentality and level than tori - ani is more >like the "it's ok to bootleg us" crowd started by the grateful dead and >carried on by phish. Its a whole different thing. Many of the the musicians I am a fan of (and since they do it for a living I certainly think of them as "professional musicians") don't have a problem with "bootlegs" as long as that means recordings traded for free among fans and not sold. Of course, the difference between most of them and Tori is that they don't have major label record deals. I doubt any major label is going to look kindly on one of their artists saying they like having audience recordings made of their shows. And of course those artists not on major labels also tend to have to spend more time keeping and growing their fan bases and realize that freely shared "bootlegs" are a great way to do that. Ani is a good example of that. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:49:36 -0500 From: Giovanni Mantilla Subject: Re: Girls in her dresses and they ARE there... >X-Originating-IP: [130.49.140.41] >X-PH: V4.4@ayax >From: "The Great Goddess Jolie" >To: gi-manti@uniandes.edu.co >Subject: Re: Girls in her dresses and they ARE there... >Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:13:22 GMT > >actually, the dress she is wearing on TVAB...the black one with the silver >sparkly thing over it. its what she wore to the pittsburgh concert last >year (nov 2nd?) > >we were told at the concert that all the photos in the new album would be >out of pittsburgh.....did she shoot jackies strangth here too? > >Jolie > >sorry for typoes...long nite at the local club > > >>From: Giovanni Fabrizio Mantilla Casas >>Reply-To: Giovanni Fabrizio Mantilla Casas >>To: precious-things@smoe.org >>Subject: Girls in her dresses and they ARE there... >>Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:01:46 -0500 (GMT+5) >> >> >>Hey all, >> >>Yesterday I went over Maria Paula's (a friend of mine), who is also a Tori >>fan but has not had a chance of getting TVAB just yet (this is Colombia >>after all) and I had the CD with me. So I showed it to her... she started >>looking at the pictures in the booklet and she made what I think is a >>discovery since I haven't heard anyone else mention it (if someone noticed >>it before I'm sorry then, hehe). >> >>You know how on some of the pics Tori is wearing this black strecht >>look-alike dress and OVER this black dress she's wearing another dress. >>Well, do you guys remember the SEXY dress she's wearing on the Jackie's >>Strength Remix CD/Vinyl single...??? IT'S THE SAME ONE! >> >>Hehe. I thought it was pretty cool... I hadn't noticed it! >> >>Had anyone? >> >>*giggles* >> >>Rock on, >>Giovanni >>http://come.to/corncity >>********************************************************* >>"Boys on my left side, "If I ran away, >> boys on my right side, I'd never have the strength, >> boys in the middle, to go very far..." >> and you're not here..." -Madonna >>-Tori Amos >> >>"Take this man to your bed, "Time cast a spell on you, >> maybe his hands but you won't forget me >> will help you forget I know I could have loved you >> Please be stronger than your past, but you would not let me >> the future may still give you I'll follow you down 'til >> a chance..." the sound of my voice will haunt you >>-George Michael you'll never get away from the sound >> of the woman that loves you..." >>"Why do why crucify ourselves?" -Stevie Nicks >>-Tori Amos >>********************************************************* > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 15:52:18 EDT From: JiVaDiVa@aol.com Subject: Re: 1000 CLowns? I saw this too!!! What's the deal? Anyone have any info at all? j ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:18:15 EDT From: "C. F." Subject: RE: Regulars, Richard and the Tori Experience Ok, I've been reading this thread for a week and biting my tongue, but this post REALLY set it off for me. >>"They sacrifice so much to do what they do. They will skip meals >>just >>to have the money to get to the next city. SOME even sell their >>pride >>for tickets by begging." I am supposed to feel "sorry" or some sort of awe or respect for people that go to these extremes?????? C'mon people...get a life. It really amazes me that people can't seem to draw the line between being a fan and being obsessive. Of course, Tori's music is wonderful and inspiring....BUT, don't you think it is meant to inspire you in your everyday life, not to follow her around like some Forrest Gump groupies? If it's REALLY about making "friends and family", why is it necessary to follow the tour just to do that? If everyone is so close-knit, surely there are other things you have in common. If not, maybe it's time to re-examine the real reason you're going through all this. Has anyone ever asked Tori what she thinks of people not eating and even sleeping on the ground to see her every single show? I am sure because she cares for her fans that she would not want to see them putting themselves through such insane conditions just to see her concerts. Do you think that she would go to the same lengths because she's a fan of someone's music? It is wonderful to be inspired by someone's music or writing or artwork, but when it causes you to drop everything else in your life (work, family, friends, productive existence), something has seriously gone awry. Sure, you'll have great stories to tell people later on.....but, that's all. Now, of course I don't believe for one second that anyone that is doing all that is going to listen to what I have to say and actually take it into consideration. I just continue to be astonished by people's behavior in regards to Tori. I am not a Tori-basher or anything of the sort. I am a fan as well, but my life and my appreciation of Tori's music can peacefully co-exist without one taking over the other. It is disturbing to me to see a group of people going to such extremes. No, I am not jealous. I have seen Tori a couple of times in concert and even met her once. But, it wasn't such a powerful experience to make me give up everything else in my life just to have that experience over and over. I have no dillusions of being able to say all this without massive retaliation. Feel free to flame to your hearts' content. From: "Poof" Reply-To: "Poof" To: "Precious Things" Subject: RE: Regulars, Richard and the Tori Experience Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:57:32 -0500 I've been following the "regulars" thread for a few days now, and I now feel the need to respond. I see the whole "if I had the money or blah to do what they do I would" thing come up quite a bit. I think that a lot of people overlook the fact that a lot of time the money is NOT there. These people struggle to get from city to city. It's not EASY being a "regular." I would say that 75% of following Tori around as a "regular" is because of the family that you make doing it. I believe that Tori is only 25% of it, if not less. The regulars are NOT at the front of every meet and greet or the front of every show...and if they were...it's their right. The "non-regulars" had just as much of a chance to get up front as the "regulars" did. They don't sleep with the security guards to get up front. They use their intelligence. Should they sacrifice their want to be up front for people aren't using their intelligence to get up there? I don't think that it's selfish, because they don't control any part of the environment. They do they think that they're above anyone, either. There is no "playing god" when it comes to them. They sacrifice so much to do what they do. They will skip meals just to have the money to get to the next city. SOME even sell their pride for tickets by begging. It's like a travelling commune. The "regulars" become a family. The main reason they continue to follow her for months is to be around the other "regulars," because sometimes that's the only connection to people like themselves (in person) that they have. Anyone that thinks that the "regulars" have it better than anyone, that they are selfish, or that they think their God...then you are WRONG. How often do you sleep on the ground or in your car outside of a venue? How often do you get food poisoning and keep going? Drive thousands of miles through everything. Run out of money........some would say that they're pathetic people. Pathetic is when someone can't even help themselves. These people are not pathetic. It's an experience of a lifetime. When you are 65 years old what kind of stories are you going to tell your grandchildren? About the time you drove from Memphis to Nashville just to see Tori, or about the time you dropped your life and joined about 30 to 50 other people to travel and see the country. They come out of it a lot more learn-ed that those that go to two shows and complain about the ones that went to all of them. They have experienced so much more. They have been through every struggle that the different parts of this country can throw at them. Seeing Tori is just the added bonus. - --------------------------- Joshiieee (Poof) webmaster of: Poof URL: http://poof.simplenet.com/ sub-sites: Angelic Script | http://poof.simplenet.com/AngelicScript/ A Bath of Glitter | http://poof.simplenet.com/ABathOfGlitter/ "holes and soules > and merging men > an angel possesses > the empty within" - - angelic script ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:28:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Regulars, Richard and the Tori Experience Joshiieee (Poof) said: > It's not EASY being a "regular." Boy, *that's* the truth. Whether money is a big problem or you're blessed with a nice credit card or real money (and I've done it both ways), there is nothing simple about huge amounts of travel, finding venues in strange cities, dealing with the vagaries of the road, etc. > I would say that 75% of following Tori around as a "regular" is > because of the family that you make doing it. I believe that Tori is > only 25% of it, if not less. You *may* be right about this with respect to a number of the folks who see tons of shows, but I don't think it's accurate for everyone. There were a handful of us going to tons of shows in '96, and it was not the social thing it's come to be since then. I felt as if I were doing it alone through much of '96. I was not real open about speaking of going to a lot of shows then, and no one else was, either, and it wasn't until fairly late in the tour before I came to know of a few others who'd been seeing tons of shows on that tour. Although I enjoy spending time with a lot of the other folks seeing shows, if I had to arrange to do it by myself then I would if I were able to. Some things aren't possible alone, though. You can't split a hotel room among four people if you're alone, and there's no way a person alone could have driven 1,500 miles from Southern California to Dallas with only two off days, 2,000 miles from Minneapolis to Concord with two off days, and from Austin, Texas to Portland, Oregon with only three off days. My car's been 23,300 miles since August 14 when I left for the tour. I just got back home last evening after staying with friends a few days here and there on the way back from the TV tapings in NYC. One reason some of the regulars are so tight is the level of interdependence between some of us on the road. I'd have dropped off the tour this year in the northeast a fourth of the way into it without the amazing generosity of someone who has been demonized here. I'll always be grateful to her for that. I love her like a sister. > Seeing Tori is just the added bonus. Sometimes it feels like that, but speaking for myself, I never forget why I'm doing it. The shows themselves mean more to me than I could ever explain. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #320 *************************************