From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #316 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, October 20 1999 Volume 04 : Number 316 Today's Subjects: ----------------- LOOKING FOR 1996 July 17th Seattle WA show ["crtny" ] Re: What "Cloud On My Tongue" is about ["gina" ] Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco ["Kristy" ] Amen ["Wake UpNeo" ] Re: beating a dead horser [Richard Handal ] Re: No Subject [KNHoppe@aol.com] "ooh let me see" Dätura ["*ShaDy FeLiNE*" ] Charlie Rose ["Wake UpNeo" ] RE: regulars ["Tha Shaigirl" ] Re: regulars "i'm griping-beware" [Richard Handal ] Hi, Richard... ["Wake UpNeo" ] Re: regulars "i'm griping-beware" [Prettynightshade@aol.com] Re: regulars "i'm griping-beware" [KsThViolet@aol.com] Re: beating a dead horse [Michael Curry ] Regulars, Richard and the Tori Experience [JewlyaINAP@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:29:29 PDT From: "crtny" Subject: LOOKING FOR 1996 July 17th Seattle WA show does anybody have the Dew Drop Inn Tour show for Seattle, Washington. It was July 17th 1996 and it's for a friend. I would be willing to send three blank cdr's, maybe four, in return for the two-disk-long show (its like a 90 minute long concert right???) just let me know. thank you. :) ALSO LOOKING FOR: Seattle Washington 1999 BIG TIME WANT :) same deal - 4 cdr's for trade for the two-disk show. :) or 2 disks and enough money for postage. im not sure yet. :) could also live with this on cassette tape if you dont have burning capabilities. :) - -courtney - ------------------------------------------- http://www.angelfire.com/bc/rapideye (LPC) "if you call me an airy-fairy new age hippy waif, ill cut your penis off" -tori amos ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:20:47 EDT From: GoneAndromeda@aol.com Subject: Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco i promise this will be my last reply on this subject, unless....well. richard is usually able to express things i have difficulty saying...his thoughts on the emotional reaction to a relationship with tori pretty much sums it up. i guess that is what ive been trying to get across lately. going to the shows means so, so, so, so much to me. the interaction and conversations ive had with tori are beyond incredible, and something i will hold for myself forever. it's not about pushing and shoving and negativity for me. im not speaking for all "regulars" - but i think what richard said is really right on. it cant be described. most people dont share that stuff on the lists, i think richard is the only one. i sort of do, but cant really. :) there are some great personal websites out there, ive mentioned Dor's which are really amazing accounts of what it is like. but no website, long email, or dissertation could describe what it is like. so what i wish for is for the accusations to stop flying. because you can never fully understand what another person's experience is. thanks johanna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:36:32 EDT From: RHPSshock@aol.com Subject: Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco I just thought that maybe we all needed a gentle reminder that these "regulars", or the people lucky enough to go to as many shows as I would like to see, are actual people with feelings and emotions. They are now receiving these venomous e-mails, and are becoming scapegoats for everything we see going wrong at a Tori concert. We are all human, and I suppose that is exactly how we are behaving. I just wish we could try to act a little less human and treat each other well. -Angelina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:06:06 -0700 (PDT) From: rev erto Subject: Charlie Rose in L.A. The KCET website confims Tori's appearance. Just to be clear, for those who have never seen Charlie Rose, there most likely will be no live performance involved. But Rose is the most intelligent, probing interviewer in the business, so it should be good seeing them go head to head. Here's the search results I got: Charlie Rose Tuesday, October 19, 11:30 p.m. Gunter Blobel, 1999 Nobel laureate for medicine; Tori Amos. {CC, Stereo} Wednesday, October 20, 4:00 p.m. (Repeat) Gunter Blobel, 1999 Nobel laureate for medicine; Tori Amos. {CC, Stereo} ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:24:38 -0700 From: "gina" Subject: Re: What "Cloud On My Tongue" is about hi, ok, i was the person who originally came up with this Anthony Kiedis idea. you can read my page on Cloud/Anthony here: http://softplaces.org/cloud.html feel free to send me your comments. g. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:06:48 -0400 From: "Kristy" Subject: Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco Richard sparkled.... >This whole area fascinates me, and I've been >discussing it recently. If you're locked in gaze with >Tori while she's playing, she's the only person >in the world who has any idea what's going on with >you for that moment *Nodding enthusiastically* I couldn't agree with you more, Richard. I had some of the most memorable experiences of my life with Tori this past year. Just this past September 3rd, in Buffalo, I was in the 5th row (which was *extremelyyy* close to the stage), directly across from Tori, between the Bosey and the keyboard. Tori and I made eye contact at *least* 4 times through- out the show, and it chilled me to the core, yet made me feel more comfortable than I can ever say I've been before. During Sister Janet, our eyes locked for a good full verse, and I couldn't move. It was indescribable..wow. It happened quite a few more times...I'll never forget when she was leaving that stage for the rest of my life ^× I stood up and waved to her, and we made eye contact and she waved and blew a kiss and smiled at me...I don't know. She just sees things. Go ahead guys, call me a fruit. But I'm not. >No one but one of the other folks who'd been to a ton >of shows and knew what it was like to have seen her so >often week after week could have known the depth of >feeling for what it was like to have the emotions of the >tour being over and not seeing her again for a long time >come crashing down on you all at once. I only went to 2 shows on the Plugged tour, and I completely lost it at the last one...it was terrible. I managed to hold it together until the last song (a case of you), and i was gone. I literally almost passed out, which would've been VERY bad considering I was on the floor adn would've been trampled (i'm sure you saw the chaos on the floor from your seat, richard). It hit me just then that I didn't know when I would ever see Tori again, and it was too much to handle. When Tori finally left the stage, I high-tailed it for the Holiday Inn across the street, got my key, and lay on the bed shaking and sobbing for a good hour...it was terrible. It's such a powerful feeling when you realize that...jesus, it's making me tear up writing this! ack! >Erin O'Neill said on The Dent's Hard Rock Live page: >the VH1 people must have thought the crowd was a >bunch of quacks, because how often do they have a >taping where everyone is silent and crying and motionless >after? We're a very different community than *any* other fanbase out there I can think of...we're used to the comments, aren't we? :P You have to be an EWF to understand the connection...if you're not, you _just_don't_ get it. Period. And I don't think Richard is a cry-baby. ;o) Love and Sparkles, Kristy (\o/) "They're not Ears With Feet, they're Assholes With Tickets." ~~*the lovely Amy Webb, aka WyrdWoman §Visit my Tori Amos website, at http://fly.to/behindmyeyes§ *My homepage: http://www.geocities.com/tori_choirgirl "rolling and unrolling coiling emerging running free running through the underworld into your room..." ~*Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:14:15 GMT From: "Wake UpNeo" Subject: Amen Abbe said: "I wish people would think and read a little more carefully before flaming one another to death on this list." AAAAAAMMMMMMMEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN...... K. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:22:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: beating a dead horser In reference to Mike Curry's original mention of the regulars getting into HRL with special treatment, Abbe said: > I saw no implied and certainly no stated animosity for the "regulars" > getting to see the show. Just for the record, neither did I. I certainly understand why Johanna might generally feel it was a sensitive area, though. I hope the discussion she began can continue. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:08:17 EDT From: KNHoppe@aol.com Subject: Re: No Subject In a message dated 10/19/99 4:16:11 PM, angelraven@juno.com writes: << so is anyone here from washington, or just meg, courtney and myself? like latex, fur and feathers: angel "that's why they call me the mistress of pain" >> I'm from WA! :) I was at the Seattle show... And like Meg, I've been wondering when a boot of the show will surface! I'm dying to get my hands on it, it was my first Tori show. When I'm not in school I live near the Seattle area, but right now I'm at Washington State University... Any other Toriphiles on this list that attend WSU? :) - -Noelle- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:33:15 PDT From: "*ShaDy FeLiNE*" Subject: "ooh let me see" Dätura Okay, at the end of Dätura, when she apparantly says "ooh let me see".. you know, that whiny sounding, kind of airy bit? It sounds like something different, (something other than "ooh let me see", mind you)every time!! it makes me giggle, on average, more than thrice a day, so I thought I would share.. here are some of the things I have come up with: "ooh look raisins!" "ooh look racing!" "who are you racing?" "who are you raising?" "Who are you erasing" One more thing, what did Tori say her two favourite words were again? toodles and smooshy.. or something? ta, Amy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:02:20 GMT From: "Wake UpNeo" Subject: Charlie Rose Hi ! You asked: " Do you know what it would be for the west coast? " 11 PM in the L.A. area. And I noticed it is on at like 4 PM too. Channel 8 PBS. She hasn't been on so far ! I think the previous night's show repeats the next day at 4 PM, but don't sue me if I'm wrong ;o) Hope someone gets to see it anyway, and reports on it... Saw the E! News Daily thing too; and it kinda irritated me when Steve Kemetko and Jules Asner made fun of her eye glitter well they just kinda went on and on about it... "hey Tori ya got somethin' right there" "is it morning ?" etc.etc. It was funny in a way but kinda catty too... Tori wore an ivory colored velour type turtleneck (or velvet) is the only thing I'd add to Giovanni's report... Oh, and there were concert clips too, of Tori in a skirt, looked like Plugged Tour but who knows. The Bliss clips made me think of the dvd, anyone know anything about that ? Has the concert dvd been canceled ? K. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:18:32 EST From: "Tha Shaigirl" Subject: RE: regulars Thank you, Becka! (You go girl!) I totally appreciate what you're saying! (Although I can't really sympathize with the shortness part, because I'm 5'11!) Sometimes the whole "regular" fan topic pisses me off, because despite what people say and what they *really* mean, sometimes it comes off saying the people who goto every Tori show and m&g are better, more sincere fans. I know for a fact, this isn't true. I've been in love with Tori's music ("worship the music; not the musician" -Eddie Vedder) from day one in '92 when I first heard LE. Granted, I didn't start "collecting" until Pele and my first concert wasn't even until last year with the Plugged tour! But that doesn't mean shit, in my opinion. I'm only 19... your average college student from the Midwest. I don't have any connections and I don't have a grand job that pays enough to allow me to eat, sleep, & breath Tori, much less follow her around everywhere she goes. Now, I honestly have nothing against anybody who does! I totally respect them and their choice; of course, I'm also envious as hell, but hey... that's just life's ride. We all have it different. But you see... that's the reason why I'm on this list! To listen to other people's (such as Richard or Mikewhy) grand experiences, because they're lucky enough to have seen & heard Tori in ways I'll only be able to experience through them! To Venus & Back, ~Shai ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:28:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: regulars "i'm griping-beware" Becka said: > i think this shiz w/ the regulars is just a load of bunk. I'm sorry, I > don't care how many shows you've been to, how "comfy/cozy" you are w/ > tori or how comfy/cozy you *think* you are w/ tori, you shouldn't think > you're god or anything else more than any other tori fan. This is exactly why those of us who see tons of shows tend not to discuss it publicly. I never said what Becka heard. Am I now supposed to defend something I didn't say? What I was saying was, by way of guessing at one possible reason why fourth row might not satisfy someone, was that a person might be short. I'd go back and quote myself but this is ridiculous. I think almost everyone else didn't have steam shooting out their ears to the extent that they were unable to know what I meant. > All I can say to Richard and all his experiences is, must be fucking > nice....must be really really nice. Indeed it has been. Deal with it. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:37:09 GMT From: "Wake UpNeo" Subject: Hi, Richard... In a recent PT, Richard Handal H.G. said: "I'd been pretty good right up to that Cooling intro. Then I lost it--lost it bigtime." Then went on to state that some might think him nuts or a crybaby (it's hard to cut and paste more than one thing in hotmail ;o) ). I just wanted to say that I don't think you are nuts or a crybaby, Richard. Lots of people have very emotional reactions during and after a Tori concert (heck, even before). What some might call a "release". I will state here also that I'm not a cryer at all, almost to the point of it being a detriment; and I openly wept during "Cooling" and "Marianne" at the last Irvine show. It was unexpected; something just popped. Tori is good medicine. Or *has* good medicine might be another way to put it ;o) I think it's healthy to have a crying release, and healthy to talk about it too. But I can see why you might be wary of being misunderstood. Seems to happen fairly regularly on the lists, not with any one person just here and there. A problem of the black and white quality (pun intended) of internet communications. I know what you mean about Tori looking right into you from onstage too. Cos once, I was fairly near the front and had gone up during an encore to hand her something I'd brought for her. I was actually first to the edge of the stage, but then it seemed like *everyone* followed... and then Tori came back out & went to the opposite end of the stage-- the one where the last people had gone. Oops. So I didn't reach her during that encore... I think those of us who were left stood about, then the second encore came... missed her again. Finally as she was about to go back to the piano and play, she turned, saw what must've been a very disappointed look on my face (it was my first attempt to meet her, and I *really* wanted to give her those gifts) and took the bag from me and skipped over to the Bose, where she put the bag underneath. Then I sat down in a vacated front row seat (never understood someone wanting to beat traffic *that* badly) for the remainder. Tori looked RIGHT at me; I thought I was imagining it so I looked away. When I looked up she was still looking ! I don't claim any 'special-ness'. I think performers look for focal points, or maybe energy points. Who knows... At that point I wasn't online and had no idea it was a usual thing. But, to confirm what you stated: Tori does communicate with 'looks' with the audience during the show. And her gaze is pretty intense ! So anyway, I wanted to back your statement up, because when Tori looked at me yes it *was* like she was looking right through to my soul, I only wish I had known it was a usual thing so I'd have realized she wasn't upset with me for being so pushy kinda about giving her the gifts, or whatever else I was thinking at the time. It was kinda like, ooops maybe I shouldn't be in this seat... LOL. If I'd only realized then (didn't even know about meet and greets then !) how normal it was for Tori to interact with her 'fans' (EWF). Hope this made sense... and now it's time for a swim :o) One who's heard only nice things about H.G. from those who've met him also; K. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:29:28 EDT From: Prettynightshade@aol.com Subject: Re: regulars "i'm griping-beware" Guys!! What is going ON here? Must we all continually beat eachother to death? I do not understand the need for all this fighting and griping! It's absolutely ridiculous! Oh please, oh please can't we all get along and can't we all grow up a little? Jeez, this thread is getting really old.... shade ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:21:12 EDT From: KsThViolet@aol.com Subject: Re: regulars "i'm griping-beware" I don't understand this. Traveling on the Tori tour, I see, of those I know who do it, is more a community type thing. I only went to four concerts this tour, but I spent time with many people and it was incredible. Your bound by this one passion, but so much more comes out of this. So many people followed the dead and now do with Phish and no one says anything. Because it's seen as a community type situation. Yes they are there to see the Tori concerts. But I have to admit I love hearing the stories of the regulars, and in order to make them talk about it I have to annoy them for a few minutes. Most don't go to see Tori at the meet-n-greets all the time. I think that there is a healthy side of this. I think the people who follow the tour are some of the most lovely, funny and wonderful people I know. And I think it's right that since I've moved so much, I am not very socially-literate, but I find friendship in those that are moving around constantly. A lot of Tori fans have such rare characteristics it's difficult to find people with them. NOT just loving Tori's Works and her awe-inspiring self, but a lot of times they are so creative and deep. I don't understand why there is this animosity. Mst don't meet Tori at every meet-n-greet. They stand in the back. So they are rarely taking away from your time. And a lot of them do have a relationship with Tori. To the extent of that relationship I am unsire, but it is still wonderful. I know when quickly I said something to Tori about one of the people she said, "She's amazing, isn't she?" I think that this shouldn't be so attacking. I find that everyone gets something personal from the experiences. And all those personal things are noit one iota alike. I say, YAY richard! With Love Elisabeth ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:49:00 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: beating a dead horse At 01:11 PM 10/19/99 -0400, Abbe J Cohen wrote: >Anyway, it looked to me like Mike expressed unhappiness that he and a >bunch of other people had been screwed out of seeing the Hard Rock >Live taping thanks to some poor communication and other problems with >Atlantic, and that he hoped that the people who hadn't been screwed either >because they found a way in or a ticket other than Mikewhy's tix from >Atlantic, or because they were in the lucky part of Mikewhy's line, >had enjoyed the show. To quote him: > >" I hope those who did get in, including both the 45-50 people who > got in from Mike's list and the usual clique of Tori fans who > managed to make their own special arrangements, had fun at the > taping and that it was a good show so that the experience was a > good one for at least some of Tori's fans." > >And then someone flamed him for saying it, because there's "too much >animosity towards the regulars?" I'm glad someone was paying attention. I realize my language may have been a bit terse (even more so than usual), but I was more than a little upset at the time I wrote that. At 09:22 PM 10/19/99 -0400, Richard Handal wrote: >In reference to Mike Curry's original mention of the regulars getting >into HRL with special treatment, Abbe said: > >> I saw no implied and certainly no stated animosity for the "regulars" >> getting to see the show. > >Just for the record, neither did I. I certainly understand why Johanna >might generally feel it was a sensitive area, though. I hope the >discussion she began can continue. Well, for the record, it pains me to have been the start of this discussion since, as usual, I find it rather pointless as both sides (for lack of a better term) talk past one another and nothing that resembles some sort of understanding ever seems to get reached. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:34:46 EDT From: JewlyaINAP@aol.com Subject: Regulars, Richard and the Tori Experience This is in general to the whole "fiasco"(VH1 and the resulting conversation). VH1 had NOOOO Clue what they were getting into, as TORIPHILES are QUITE the passionate ones.. but the fact is, they F*cked up. They gave out too many tickets to executives and their friends who have nooo clue who tori is and what she means. They f*cked up a second time by letting in gen. admissions before VIP DENTERS. and just in case anyone says, "Oh, she's bitter cause she won and didn't get in", let me say "No, I was on the gen admission line, and did not get in." But winners are winners and the DENT Winners should have been let in before the VIPers even, since they were specifically called on. As far as the "regular" issues, well, if these people have all enough money to follow tori around and such, then LET THEM! Obviously Tori makes enough of an impact on their life that they want to remain with her, and even though I am a small girl (5'2), I belive whoever can get to the front at a show is AT THE FRONT. I have battled just like the rest of them to see tori, and I have failed AND succedded. I delt. I only have a problem with the less than 10 people, who are mythical to me, as I have yet to do meet and greet, who speak with her every time. To you few: LET OTHERS IN!!! I mean, maybe someone somewhere thinks I am less of a fan for not getting to the venue the night before to meet her, but I don't think so! And as far as someone giving sarcasm and cynicism to RICHARD....Don't take it out on him. How many times has he provided info and shown himself not only to be a true tori fan but a kind person as well??? NUMEROUS TIMES! Richard, if you remember when you were at the vip table and they had to call tori's assistant or whoever, I was the girl with the bleached blonde hair and bad roots in a blue jeans set to your right. Let me tell you, and anyone who would dare doubt your kindness and sincerity, that I felt NOTHING negative out of your aura, and I sensed you to be a kind, sweet, loving caring man. When you said your name, I recognized it and would have said hello, but you were with your 'fiasco' and me with mine. I say, and in kind words, for all your experiences: "You are lucky and quite deserving of each of them, it IS great I imagine, and although I am envious, I in no way am jealous.I've had my Tori experiences, and although they were not in the context of conversation or face to face meeting, they touched me deep inside." Every one of us may meet Tori in the future, when the time is deemed proper. I accept this, and hopefully I will meet her one day. The fact is, we are having this damn fight about who is and what makes a better and less abrasive fan. I am not a Toriphile by cutting down those "who hog her attention". This is NOT why I am a Toriphile. I am a Toriphile because her music touches me deep inside. Even without being in the first row I am able to minicum at a tori show, she touches me that deep. You cannot try and gain these glances, these beautiful intense feelings by negativity. only by accepting not everyone has the same values, and may choose to involve Tori in their life in a more encompassing manner. A Tori show should only be about you and her, the people who surround you should melt into the venue in your mind if they cannot add a positive dimension. Got 25$ and a cracker, and I laid em out here... Shari In a message dated 10/19/99 11:03:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, handal@min.net writes: << > All I can say to Richard and all his experiences is, must be fucking > nice....must be really really nice. Indeed it has been. Deal with it. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. >> ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #316 *************************************