From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #314 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, October 19 1999 Volume 04 : Number 314 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: regulars ["Nick Nadel" ] Tori Site [GoddesKell@aol.com] Re: Tori with or without [Pelequake@aol.com] Conan MP3 ["trent, asserting my wicked ways" ] questions re Aug. 22 concert [Jennifer Mitts Cypres ] Re: when is it to air?? [Richard Handal ] Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco [Richard Handal ] Re: icicle=rape?? [VenusFruit@aol.com] Tori pix; Woodstock's conscience laundering... ["Wake UpNeo" Subject: Re: regulars I wanna be a regular! Please, I'm cute and sweet and I don't eat too much! I'll be real good, promise! Damn school and work, if I could I'd see every Tori show everywhere forever! - -nick > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:25:38 EDT From: GoddesKell@aol.com Subject: Tori Site Hey Guys, I was wondering if any of you knew about a Tori site where you can order merchandise (T-shirts, keychains, stickers, etc.) and it benefits RAINN. I read about it on this list and I ordered a T-shirt, but have yet receive it. So if anyone knows the site or and e-mail addy were I can contact the girl who does this it would be helpful. Thanks, Kelly ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:35:32 EDT From: Pelequake@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori with or without Well, I gotta say I truly love Tori both ways, but I really love to hear her play that piano and I love to hear the vocals more distinctly. So I'm a bit partial to early shows/secret time. Anyone who's heard Cooling live probably agrees with me! But I also love Matt's drumming during Precious Things - the one song that I probably wouldn't prefer just piano on now; and Caton's guitar playing on Cornflake Girl - OK, two songs - and Jon Evans' overall funkified excellence. paige- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:48:54 -0700 From: "trent, asserting my wicked ways" Subject: Conan MP3 anyone make an mp3 of Tori's Conan performance? trent. "you gotta be a bad girl in this world and you've got to make waves gotta be a bad girl to be heard assert your wicked ways" --DJ Rap ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:42:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Mitts Cypres Subject: questions re Aug. 22 concert For those of you at the Aug. 22 concert in Nashville on Tori's birthday, and if you put a birthday present for her in the box that was being passed around, did any one of you get a thank you note or any sort of acknowledgement from Tori after the fact? I never did and I was just thinking that wasn't like her. I had heard she at least sends out an autographed picture or something when she receives a present. I'm sure she can't do it for everyone, but nonetheless, I thought perhaps maybe she didn't receive all the presents. I guess she never got the scrapbook, either? It was never found? Empty like the Tuileries, jen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:29:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Carrie B." Subject: Re: Charlie Rose? If you are in the East Coast, the Charlie Rose show is on at 11pm on WGBH. On Sun, 17 Oct 1999 Spiritcc33@aol.com wrote: > > Hey... > I was just wondering > what day she was going to be on Charlie Rose > is it tomarrow the 18th..? > > and does n e one know what time??? > > > ok > _ Hugs and stuff..._ > > "Cornflake Girl" > *~*Carrie*~* > : `. ; .' `. .-'''-. .' ;' __ _;' Carrie E. Batcheller / '_ _`\ 165 A Pleasant St. | _( a ( a | Melrose MA 02176 '''''| (_) > |`````` \ \ / / http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/9523 `. `--'.' .' `-,,,-' `. .' : `. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:43:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: when is it to air?? Terry asked: > When is the Hard Rock Live performace going to air on VH1, anyone know?? The fellow who came out and spoke before the taping (presumably the director) said it would be on early next year. He also said this was the third season of the program and that they had been trying for a while to get Tori on and he was glad she finally agreed. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:38:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco Erika said: > I was at the Boise show. My husband and I had done the RAINN thing and > we were in first row. If certain people had fairly decent seats, how > come said same people still felt the need to push, shove and weasel > their way from what 4th row to 1st. I have no justification of this, nor do I understand why some folks seem to feel the *need* to have to be in the very front row if at all possible. I don't know which people may have done that to you, Erika, but I will say that much of what *most* people in the entire world do--not only the regulars at Tori Amos concerts--makes little sense to me. I also thought that all the tickets Joel gave out in Boise were front row, so I'm surprised to hear this for that reason as well. Frankly, some of the regulars are kinda short and that may be one reason. Given a choice, if I could be assured that Dennis Rodman wouldn't be standing in front of me, I'd prefer to be a tiny bit back from the very front on the right. I like to be able to look at the whole band at will, and to see the interaction between them. I will say that if you're close enough to be able to see Tori's expressions clearly (especially if she knows your face or actually knows you a bit, and thus, there's a good chance of interaction during the show), then it becomes an entirely different show; not by a little, but by an order of magnitude. If you're right up front and have a lot of interaction with her on a killer night, you will walk away a changed person. I've said that on a killer night, it can be like having sex five times simultaneously. (And people wonder why some of us go to so many shows. And that's only ONE reason.) Now, I walked away from the August 25, 1999 Merriweather show in Maryland a changed person, and I was sitting maybe twenty rows from the BACK of the pavilion, but we were blessed with the first inside TV monitors of the tour, which was a tremendous help. When she slyly winked into the camera during The Waitress I was on the floor with laughter. It was quite a moment that I can't explain. > Alan was pushed, and I think had the people doing the pushing not known > who we were, we would have been pushed much much harder. It is true that anyone at any standing-in-front or general admission show I've ever attended--not only Tori--is going to be pushed, no two ways about it. I imagine that you did expect some of that, Erika, and what you're complaining about was beyond that. Again, I can't explain that, nor would I seek to justify it. I will say, though, that as of the Boise show, there was a palpable sense of the tour ending, and I know a bit of desperation had crept into the psyches of folks--it sure did mine. Just the sense of needing to get whatever we could from each of the remaining shows because it was all coming to an end. > This is not something directed at anyone in particular, but I am > curious. I understand. I wish the entire world would calm down and get a grip, not just Tori people. The old "starving children in India" thing doesn't usually make anyone with a lousy dinner on a given night feel particularly lucky for having it. If one gets used to filet mignon and is presented from time to time with meat loaf, the odds are they aren't going to think of all the people going hungry that day. They're gonna think about how many nights in a row they've had filet mignon and that they are now staring at meat loaf. I can understand human nature to *that* extent. As to the meet and greet behavior, I never understood the need to talk with Tori show after show after show, but then, you weren't at the previous shows so you don't know that most of the regulars skipped almost all if not every single meet and greet on this tour. I stood in the back for a few and didn't participate in a single one (other than once when Tori stunned me by yelling out a hello and I said hello back to her). Some of the regulars had just come back on the tour for the last shows, so you were seeing a bit of that. But, no, I have to think that for most of us who get invited backstage from time to time, allowing folks who never met her to have a chance at her at the meet and greets would be the preferred behavior. I wish everyone could meet her. She's an astonishing person. You know, one of Tori's security came up to me before the show and asked me if my seat was okay. The subtext of that question was "Was the front row ticket you were given over on the far left side okay?" I told him it was fine, and that I knew some people would kill to have had one fourth of my experiences at the shows. (Is my seat okay. Yeah--it's great. Thanks.) Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:43:32 EDT From: VenusFruit@aol.com Subject: Re: icicle=rape?? "i always thought it was Jesus, in her pj's....she wanted to be His girlfriend." I feel the same way. Tori was taught to believe that masturbation is wrong. But in her mind, which is in my opinion, masturbation is holy and very natural - that god is really with her and not with all of the preaching going on downstairs. VENUS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:08:45 GMT From: "Wake UpNeo" Subject: Tori pix; Woodstock's conscience laundering... Hi guys; "me too!  i lost the old ones from spin, or rolling stone, whatever....." Hi Cassie and Angel. Just to let everyone know, the simplest way IMHO to get Tori pix into a computer folder is: drag ! Hold down the mouse and drag any draggable (.jpeg etc.) pic from any Tori site into a waiting folder on your desktop. Voila ! Someone told me that and since then I've been able to look at whatever pic whenever (and make t shirts for me and friends-- not for selling tho). Also wanted to say that I won't be buying anything to do with Woodstock. After reading the SPIN article I was shaking with anger. It was all about greed, and the security was joining in on the sexual assaults in some cases ! (or at least harassments) In any case the tapes clearly showed they abandoned the people they were paid to protect (and they were no punters; some were prison guards) and ran for cover. In any case, I don't trust Woodstock or anyone associated with it to actually give the money to RAINN, and I don't wanna participate in its spin doctoring. I'll send a check to RAINN the old fashioned way (its address is at http://www.rainn.org) thank ya very much. And be sure that they get the whole amount, with no one's conscience laundered along the way. Maybe I'm wrong and this is CLEARLY my own opinion. Others are of course free to do as they like ! But I don't want *anything* to do with that. They should've stopped ALL the music after the FIRST rape. To me that's so obvious and it's horrible that they didn't do ANYTHING. K. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:59:32 -0500 From: Giovanni Mantilla Subject: Re: What "Cloud On My Tongue" is about Howdy Ho, >(This is, of course, my paraphrase... it was at the Houston show and I >didn't have a pen and paper.. I think this is pretty close, though.) Yeah, heh, I didn't make that clear enough, it was not a direct quote from any magazine, it was something that Kahlan had posted on the original message. Sorry. >Nod, another possibility, I can see the reference... there is a bootleg of >Tori during DDI in Europe somewhere (I am not positiive about the details, >but I remember listening to the soundbyte at the end at the record store) >where she talks about Anthony asking her to run off with him. But she has >said the same thing pretty much about Robert Plant, and I thought about >the time period and thought it might be more appropriate. Either one fits, >though. Well, I hadn't thought about Robert Plant, but yes, that's another plausible possibility. But by the references in the song (literally interpreted or not) kind of point more in the Kiedis direction, I think. >This is a very good point.. and "under the bridge" is about being in that >tpoint of total emotional devestation and feeling completely alone.. so >for her to be over the bridge now, instead of having him still "in there" >is maybe her admitting she is not as strong as she thought herself. Yeah, I agree. But I think the line "thought I was over the bridge now" means that Anthony's proposition to Tori DID have an impact on her and that somehow it has remained stuck in her memory, at least until the day she wrote the song. Perhaps, prior to the proposal, she used to think Anthony was special. So by realizing that it wasn't so much so, it lingered in her memory. >I also take this as poetic.. as if he has left her mark on her. There's a >great Brenda Kahn song that is similar: I left a stain on your glass, you >called it a scar." Yeah, hehe, "I'll be wearing your tattoo" could very well mean that this is something she will not forget, something that will accompany her through the rest of her life. By doing what he did, he left a mark on her. A tattoo. This is easily explainable if you carefully think about the way she feels about the song and how she talks about it. "Boys, you should call first". His tattoo is still with her. >She mentioned in the interview that Keidis could run off with any girl, >and she's not a "part time" girlfriend or something like that... she was >telling the story in a sort of humorous way, but the ending , when she >said that, was really serious ad intense. Well, you know how rockers always have that "womanizer" image. And I must say it's not uncalled for. Tori is special and she knows it. It shows her own self-respect. I say this because I've felt like this too, when somebody wants you, whether it's to have a fun night or a "relationship". Some people don't really care about your feelings, and you have to care for yourself. I think this is what Tori did after Kiedis made his proposal. >The opart that remeinded me so much of Plant, though, was the "circles >and circles again, it goes in circles"... her infatuation with him coming >around full circle. Yeah well, you know, it doesn't have to be *only* about Kiedis. Perhaps he was the main reason that cause her to write the song, but there might be a little bit of the Plant thing in there. It is, after all, the experience of this kind she usually talks about. Giovanni http://come.to/corncity PS. Does anyone have any address/site that can help me get on that "Fumblers" Sarah Mclachlan list? Thanks. :) ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #314 *************************************