From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #312 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, October 17 1999 Volume 04 : Number 312 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: icicle=rape?? [GoneAndromeda@aol.com] Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco [GoneAndromeda@aol.com] Re: 1,000 oceans maxi-5 single [puppycakes ] Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco [Michael Curry ] 1000 Oceans Maxi-Single Question [Erinita@aol.com] Re: London Girls [Serra Angel ] the mysterious tribute album ["Emily W. Rigdon" ] Re: precious-things-digest V4 #310 [Surreal00@aol.com] Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco [Richard Handal ] siren mp3 [Diabolusinne@aol.com] Re: What "Cloud On My Tongue" is about [Serra Angel ] Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco [GoneAndromeda@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 03:26:34 EDT From: GoneAndromeda@aol.com Subject: Re: icicle=rape?? i'll say it again: i believe this song, like most tori songs, has more than one layer. believe me, i've listened to this song enough to be called "in depth". - -j << I really don't believe this song is about rape, I believe that whoever reviewed the song did so briefly and didn't really take the time to study it in depth >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 03:30:03 EDT From: GoneAndromeda@aol.com Subject: Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco i resent this, and im not even included in your little description. tori fans - the "regulars" as you call them, don't have any special arrangements. no one gets into shows for free, no one gets special treatment as a result of any sort of phantom "clique" i am so sick of people ragging on the "regulars"- it's mostly done by people who dont know what they are talking about. it's really easy to sit back and be jealous and point fingers. but if you knew the situations you were describing, you wouldnt be so damning. johanna << the usual clique of Tori fans who managed to make their own special arrangements >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 11:09:13 -0400 From: puppycakes Subject: Re: 1,000 oceans maxi-5 single when we last left our heroes, Pelefaerie exclaimed: >Yesterday I walked into my local cd store, hoping to see a copy of the >long-awaited (for me at least, i haven't had time to get it yet) 1,000 >Oceans maixi single...and it wasn't there. The idiots that supposedly work >at the store didn't know a thing, as usual. Why did this single disappear? this single has been notoriously hard to find in some places. it took me more than a few trips to various stores before i finally found one that had it. it's out there, so all i can say is keep looking...and if you don't mind buying things over the web, you might have better luck trying places like cdnow, amazon.com, etc. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 11:33:35 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco At 03:30 AM 10/16/99 -0400, GoneAndromeda@aol.com wrote: >i resent this, and im not even included in your little description. >tori fans - the "regulars" as you call them, don't have any special >arrangements. no one gets into shows for free, no one gets special >treatment as a result of any sort of phantom "clique" > >i am so sick of people ragging on the "regulars"- it's mostly done by >people who dont know what they are talking about. > >it's really easy to sit back and be jealous and point fingers. but if >you knew the situations you were describing, you wouldnt be so damning. > >johanna > ><< the usual clique of Tori fans who managed to >make their own special arrangements >> I think referring to people who go in well before many of the others assembled (and going in by a different path than those fans who got in with "VIP" tickets) as having "special arrangements" is a perfectly reasonable description so I'll stick by it. Feel free to be as "sick of it" as you like. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:37:52 EDT From: Erinita@aol.com Subject: 1000 Oceans Maxi-Single Question I'm sorry if I have missed this somewhere along the line, but what songs are included on the 1000 Oceans CD-5 maxi single? I myself shall begin searching for it in the music stores. Just Another Fix, Erin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:49:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Serra Angel Subject: Re: London Girls On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 Twinkle018@aol.com wrote: > > I was just going to let "ASKLUITER@aol.com" know that Tori did play "London > Girls" at the Seattle show in July of '96. I'm trying to think if I have it > on tape. I'm not sure. > Desiree > I have London Girls on mp3 from Plugged if anyone wants it... :) Kahlan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:21:54 -0400 From: "Emily W. Rigdon" Subject: the mysterious tribute album Ahh! Here's the link to the Tori tribute album, and it's only 7 bucks or so! I don't konw how good it could be. Who are the artists? Has anyone bought this yet that could share about it? I've read some stuff about it, but haven't heard anything about it from a toriphile who's heard it. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00001OHAW/o/qid=940092212/sr=2-3/002 - -5900135-4327440 ...weird! luv emily ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:47:35 EDT From: Surreal00@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V4 #310 In a message dated 99-10-16 01:22:47 EDT, you write: << Tori Amos, "To Venus and Back" I saw her in concert once. It was killer. The stage was decorated like ancient Egypt. There were palm trees, a huge pyramid, and two sphinxes up there. Like halfway through the show one sphinx came to life and turned its head and lasers shot out of his eyes and then Tori grabbed this laser whip and started fighting it. There were explosions and everything. No, wait. That was Ronnie James Dio. I always get them confused.>> LMAO!!!!! WHAT?!?!? That has to be the most funny/bizarre thing I've heard about Tori in a long long time!!!! heh, another funny little thing that has absolutely nothing to do with that absurd review is about the dumber people in maine. no one seems to understand that tori amos is a singer. one time in band class we were talking about our favorite singers and I said "You know, I really like Tori Amos.." and everyone was like "isnt she or he like that sarah mclaughlin (yes, they pronounce it that way)?" someone even told me they saw tori in lilith fair. can you believe that?? and my band teacher, oh lord, my band teacher had trouble pronouncing *Tori* "twarry? terry? tilly?" well, anyway, you see what i have to live through in this place!? :) riley ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:52:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco Johanna said: > i resent this, and im not even included in your little description. > tori fans - the "regulars" as you call them, don't have any special > arrangements. no one gets into shows for free, no one gets special > treatment as a result of any sort of phantom "clique" I appreciate your sticking up against the idea of some of the complaining and jealousies which appear here from time to time, Johanna, but Mike Curry was accurate about this particular instance. About 15 of us had special arrangements of some sort for the HRL taping. I'm not going to apologize for this. Tori should be allowed to invite and/or make special arrangements for anyone she wants to. You are correct when you speak about this overall, though. Clearly, almost all of the time, nearly all the folks who go to a ton of shows find tickets on their own without any help. I'll go further and add that Joel gave the regulars nice tickets for the Boise show, and that was the very first time I'd been given a ticket by anyone associated with Tori in all the 100+ shows I've seen. (I did turn down her offers of tickets twice last year, because I'm not comfortable with the dynamic that sets up, and our relationship--whatever the hell it consists of--is too important to me to risk messing it up.) Indeed, many folks do seem to think a number of the regulars at the shows get comped frequently, but with one exception, I'm unaware of such a thing going on and I know that it *doesn't* go on. My head is spinning with thoughts of this tour, and I hope to collect a few thoughts into ASCII form one day. I feel terrible that all the folks who were led to believe they were getting into the taping yesterday didn't. For those of us who did, it was quite a moving experience. I wish I could even begin to relate the feelings of that show. I'm sorry more of the folks who attend a ton of shows don't share some of their experiences publicly, but I do understand quite well how personal much of it can become after a while. There's no way that I would discuss many of the things I've been through on the road at shows. I make an honest effort to give at least a bare-bones report on the shows from a purely informational standpoint, though. I have no choice but to do this via The Dent as I can much easier access a phone on the road than I can the internet. I wish my words came more freely and expressively so that people not attending a particular show could have at least a bit of a sense of having been there. The shows are an amazing gift to anyone who manages to see *any* of them, and I never forget how blessed I've been to have been able to see as many of them as I have. I never in a million years would have anticipated how lucky I've been. I wish everyone could see all the shows they would want to. Take care, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 19:23:32 EDT From: Diabolusinne@aol.com Subject: siren mp3 okay guys, it's time for me to beg and plea.. does anyone have an mp3 of siren that they'd be willing to send me? please? i'll grovel if i must.. please.. thanks in advance. - -desyre http://www.plasticvenus.com/desyre/ aim: diabolusinne icq: 33697850 "..so you can make me come, that doesn't make you jesus.." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 19:55:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Serra Angel Subject: Re: What "Cloud On My Tongue" is about > > Hi there, > > Serra kind of brought up again to discussion the meaning of this utterly > beautiful song... and I'm going to re-post what Tori said about it: > > "So, there was this boy who had just come in from Borneo, of all places. > And he came to my door and said, 'Come on, I have a private jet, let's > go.' And he kinda did this flip of his hair, as if he expected me to just > jump off with him, as if I didn't have plans of my own. As it happens, > though, I did have other plans. So the moral of the story, boys, is: Maybe > you should call first." (This is, of course, my paraphrase... it was at the Houston show and I didn't have a pen and paper.. I think this is pretty close, though.) > > This is not my personal discovery, it is rather, the result of some hard > research of a girl whose name I have forgotten but she might still be on > the list. > > "Cloud On My Tongue" is about Anthony Keedis (sp). The lead singer from > the Red Hot Chili Peppers. It seems that he came on to Tori and she > quickly realized he just wanted her as another one of his "trophies". > Nod, another possibility, I can see the reference... there is a bootleg of Tori during DDI in Europe somewhere (I am not positiive about the details, but I remember listening to the soundbyte at the end at the record store) where she talks about Anthony asking her to run off with him. But she has said the same thing pretty much about Robert Plant, and I thought about the time period and thought it might be more appropriate. Either one fits, though. > It's not all that difficult to find references to him on the lyrics to the > song. > > She says "thought I was over the bridge now" (One of RHCP's most famous > songs is "Under The Bridge"). > This is a very good point.. and "under the bridge" is about being in that tpoint of total emotional devestation and feeling completely alone.. so for her to be over the bridge now, instead of having him still "in there" is maybe her admitting she is not as strong as she thought herself. > "I'll be wearing your tattoo". (he's tattooed all over) > I also take this as poetic.. as if he has left her mark on her. There's a great Brenda Kahn song that is similar: I left a stain on your glass, you called it a scar." > "Hard to hide a hundred girls in your hair". (he's well know for having > long hair) She mentioned in the interview that Keidis could run off with any girl, and she's not a "part time" girlfriend or something like that... she was telling the story in a sort of humorous way, but the ending , when she said that, was really serious ad intense. The opart that remeinded me so much of Plant, though, was the "circles and circles again, it goes in circles"... her infatuation with him coming around full circle. Thanks for bringing up the Keidis references though, that casts a new light on the story! Kahlan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 21:46:39 EDT From: GoneAndromeda@aol.com Subject: Re: Hard Rock Live "VIP" ticket fiasco Richard your thoughts on the tour and your willingness to explain some misconceptions were much appreciated. i figured that some people did have special entrance to the HRL show, as i know of one person who had a definate seat tied up earlier this month. my frustration is not with the "regulars" not sharing information and/or experiences. i agree that the experience of the tour is very private, and often very emotional. i myself don't really share that much for that reason. i agree with you richard, how lucky we are to be able to travel and see tori so much. i've been blessed in my experiences, and its good to be reminded how grateful i should be. i am continually frustrated by the sentiment on this list and others, of animosity towards said "regulars." it comes up time and time again, and while i know jealousy is an understandable emotion to a degree, the outright pettiness and accusatory tone taken often upsets me. we all have reasons for what we do and what we don't do, regarding tori and the tour. i dont think its fair for anyone to judge another person's decisions regarding how many shows to attend. Richard you, in particular, give much of your time and energy to those on the mailing list. your continual set list info is much appreciated, while perhaps not much recognized :). you should not feel guilty for not providing more information about your experiences. there are others who share their tour stories with anyone who is interested. Dor in particular runs the most fabulous plugged tour web site in existence. although i was lucky enough to be able to participate alot in the plugged and the 1999 tours, her site always fulfills my desire for "more tori!!!" these folks should be thanked, not criticized. i am growing more and more irritated with snide remarks and misinformed accusations. anyways. we are an incredibly lucky group of fans, to have tori who is so giving, more so than any other artist i know of. this is is a gift, and we should be thankful. i try to remind myself of that everyday. johanna ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #312 *************************************