From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #302 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, October 8 1999 Volume 04 : Number 302 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Pre Pre Denver Show get together [SenoritaGoonie@aol.com] Tori concert, Berkeley [KsThViolet@aol.com] denver m&g [Marberry Emily Allison ] Re: tori on "the list" [Hey Pele ] Re: 1000 Oceans video [XXXPandora@aol.com] thought this was funny ["Sonya Harway" ] Re: Tori pregnant? [Serra Angel ] tori's garden ["sheina kalinchak" ] 1000 Clowns... ["Tha Shaigirl" ] Re: Neil/Beenie/Faerie [angel dust ] Re: On MTV's Fanatic... [Freedom110@aol.com] Re: jewel case/digi-pack questions [RHPSshock@aol.com] RE: Concertina Interp. :) [Jenelle Campion ] london show ["ellen smith" ] re: little amsterdam lyrics ["a floating... floating girl" ] Re: tori "ALONE" on stage in London???? [Beth Coulter ] Re: Fw: funny tori quote: [Serra Angel ] Tori EWF Hangout at The Palace chat. ["Wake UpNeo" ] Q Review ["squidgy" ] Tori Amos [Serra Angel ] Juarez intro to Siren, Columbus '98 [Keith Shapiro ] re: little amsterdam lyrics ["*ShaDy FeLiNE*" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:46:00 EDT From: SenoritaGoonie@aol.com Subject: Pre Pre Denver Show get together My friend Jacque and I are driving up from Albuquerque to Denver for the show and I was thinking that meet and greets can be pretty awkward when you don't know anyone. I know a lot of people are going to SLC for the show on Sunday, but for anyone who isn't, I'm trying to get a little get together going for Sunday afternoon/evening. I've got a little mailing list set up and if you'd like to be a part of it just drop me some email =) Cheryl - The Goonie Girl SenoritaGoonie@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 01:45:16 EDT From: KsThViolet@aol.com Subject: Tori concert, Berkeley Oh, I know this is silly, but I'd hate to have past up a wonderful happening: Has anyone won the tickets to the Fantasy Studios in Berekeley? If so, congratulations. But did anyone win who can't go? If so I am very interested. Please let me know. Elisabeth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:34:19 -0600 (MDT) From: Marberry Emily Allison Subject: denver m&g Hello...if anyone has any info about what time to show up for the denver m&g on oct. 11 it would be greatly appreciated!! Please e-mail me back: marberry@ucsub.colorado.edu with any info!!!! thank you so much, Emily Marberry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:27:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Hey Pele Subject: Re: tori on "the list" - --- angel dust wrote: > > was anybody else devastated to see tori wasn't > mentioned on "the list" > last night or today for "most beautiful female > singer" or whatever the > topic was?!?!? > I believe that show is airing Monday, according to promos for the show. paige- Can't stop talking Tori? Email me about chatterchatter, a new Tori mailing list where we make different top 10 lists and run mini-Tori competitions like Crucify vs. Cornflake Girl, etc. ===== "Give me life Give me pain Give my myself again." Tori Amos-"Little Earthquakes" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 23:00:46 EDT From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: 1000 Oceans video In a message dated 10/3/1999 11:04:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LizzyFW@aol.com writes: << I know it's hard for us Internet connected people to imagine, but doesn't Atlantic realize that not everyone has Internet access? I really feel bad those tori fans who can't see the videos because they don't have modems. >> I think she does those things for her internet fans ... like a special present since we do so much for her :) kisses, joanne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 02:33:35 EDT From: "Sonya Harway" Subject: thought this was funny Well, I'm checking out certain online music stores to see who's got what in the way of Tori Amos, and apparently there's a new single on the way! It's called 1000 _CLOWNS_ That's right, 1000 Clowns, brought to you by Harmony House records. Check it out. http://www.harmonyhouse.com/index.cfm?sid=483b9aab152c4cd&fa=albuminfo&albumID=432806#top *giggle* love, sonya =Thank you for your squirrel= ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:13:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Serra Angel Subject: Re: Tori pregnant? On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, Richard Handal wrote: > > It was written: > > Tori has been getting requests, believe it or not, for the Cornflake Girl > dance from the '96 tour. She made pregnant-tummy moves when she was doing > it as of July 21, 1996, and she wasn't pregnant then. I'd bet money that > she isn't pregnant now, either. I thought this was a reference to the pregnancy? Especially during RAINN after the miscarriage... > > Be seeing you, > > Richard Handal, H.G. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 16:18:28 PDT From: "sheina kalinchak" Subject: tori's garden >As to the other plants in the song, I don't think they're >hallucinogenic. >I think it's a Garden of Eden motif. I was reading recently (I in the Spin interview) and Tori stated that the plants are simply ones she has in her garden in Cornwall. As far as motif - I have no idea... I tend to be rather uncreative when I first start listening! - -sheina ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 13:35:40 EST From: "Tha Shaigirl" Subject: 1000 Clowns... What the hell is the deal with "1000 Oceans" being advertised as "1000 Clowns"? I saw it a few times before but it was all on the same site. Now I'm seeing the maxi-single being advertised like almost everywhere! Even the other day on the radio, I heard it say something like "the new 2-disc set, To Venus & Back, featuring the singles Bliss & 1000 Clowns." Okay, yeah... sure it was funny at first, but it's starting to piss me off!!! "I cried a thousand oceans" isn't exactly something I'd associated with a thousand clowns, ya know!!! ~~Shaigirl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 19:47:41 EDT From: angel dust Subject: Re: Neil/Beenie/Faerie i know, i forgot to send in to the list and say nevermind..... too much going on..... like latex, fur and feathers: angel "you can suck anything but you know you wanna be me" --Tori Amos - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, both Beene and Neil are listed in the credits, as well as space cakes - - faerie. ________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail you don't need Web access to use -- Or get full, reliable Internet access from Juno Web! Download your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagh. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:16:29 EDT From: Freedom110@aol.com Subject: Re: On MTV's Fanatic... In a message dated 10/6/99 4:21:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, shaigirl79@hotmail.com writes: > was watching MTV's Fanatic tonight (the one with RHCP & Joey Mc) and at > the end when they were role the credits... Joey and his fan were showing off > > their leather pants... behind them... a huge Tori Amos (Under the Pink) > poster, framed. I was impressed! =) ~Shaigirl > Was this in a studio setting, or at his house or something. is he a fan? i've read he's extremely religious, and very pro-bible (scary) and i mean, have you seen the video for ("dont you ever wish you were someone else") good message, but the video is horrid. he is so cute though. scrumptious. Horns. - -Gus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:53:17 EDT From: RHPSshock@aol.com Subject: Re: jewel case/digi-pack questions In a message dated 10/6/99 9:08:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, abbe@MIT.EDU writes: << When I bought my CD in the US, it was in a cardboard digi-pack with two sleeves for the 2 CDs. People were saying they'd seen it elsewhere in a jewel case (normal width, like the UTP/More Pink set) and one of the places listed was Best Buy. After checking the Best Buy near me (in Cambridge, MA), I suspect this was just confusion because they keep all of their CDs in a plastic case that gets removed after you buy the CD; it looks like a jewel case if you don't look too closely. So, has anyone actually seen and bought a jewel case version of the album in the US? >> I bought one at K Mart in Cincinnati. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 01:28:40 -0400 From: Jenelle Campion Subject: RE: Concertina Interp. :) "too far too far... it could all get way too cheerful" this line could refer to her getting pulled to far away from her center of herself , she wants to keep her music real and not just let it all get to cheerful and avoid touching all the dark, depressing stuff in her soul Jenelle "It's so easy to create soundbites. It's really hard to create beauty," "To heal the wound, you have to go into the dark night of the soul." - -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 15:39:35 PDT From: "ellen smith" Subject: london show Thanks to nice tori people, i just found out how to get tickets to the london show, and bought some!!! Yay. What is the venue like? I have an idea that seeing as the tickets have been on sale for a while, my seats might be crap, they are on the terrace, row N. Is it possible to sneak up the front, i mannaged to do that at almost every show i went to in the states, despite the fact my tickets were usually in row QQ or something. Someone asked does she do meet and greets in london, yeah, i want to know too. Most of the meet and greets i've been to kind of sucked, but it'd be nice to know anyway. Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou!!!! love very excited ellen ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 23:38:55 -0700 From: "a floating... floating girl" Subject: re: little amsterdam lyrics >>>I always thought it was 'a goat and a fawn' - it makes a smidgen more sense than 'a goat and a phone', but only a smidgen. Are you quite sure about this?<<< OMG i am such i ditz. that *would* make more sense wouldn't it? anyone know for sure?? manda - --- ********************************************************************** you say 'i'm on the threshold of greatness girl'... Visit my page dedicated to recovering the voices lost to rape. i sang holy holy: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pavilion/2910/rape.html Want to recieve i sang holy holy updates? Subscribe to isangholyholy@onelist.com: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/isangholyholy HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 15:23:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Serra Angel Subject: Re: tear/tear in your hand? On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, twin peekaboo wrote: > > after seeing it live, i have a newfound curiosity for tear in your hand. > is it tear as in "crying tears" or is it tear as in "Jesus had a tear in his > hands from the nails." > i always thought it was the tear in Jesus' hand because of tori's obvious > obsession with Christianity. BUT with her awkward pronunciations, i can't > tell. > > which is it? > I think that, since the song is about a breakup, the tear in his hand is the one he wiped from her face after he told her. It goes along with the "black of the blackest ocean" - in that tear is a part of her, just like she is part of everything. So basically he will never be rid of her because she is linked to everything. Kahlan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 22:13:36 -0400 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: tori "ALONE" on stage in London???? At 10:52 PM 10/4/99 -0400, puppycakes wrote: >someone will have to call the royal festival hall to confirm whether or not >this will be a solo or band performance. however, i would think that this >will be a solo show since it's one of a series of appearances (primarily tv >and radio) tori is making around europe to promote the new record. i would >not think it unusual if they did not choose to bring the band around with >them for a series of one-off media appearances... > >woj Matt has a job with Fiona starting Mid-Oct. No Matt, no band *I* would think. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~really deep thoughts and stories~ updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 00:00:30 EST From: "Tha Shaigirl" Subject: Re: On MTV's Fanatic... >>>Was this in a studio setting, or at his house or something? I think - and I wouldn't swear to it - that this was somewhere in Vegas. If I recall correctly, that scene where the poster appears in the background was either in a little dinner where their interview took place or backstage at the venue where he performed. I think it was backstage, after the concert - - which leads me to ask... why would there be a Tori Amos "UTP" promo poster backstage? Could that be a common place where she used to stop on her tours, at least before she hit the larger venues? (This place looked like a large club area.) I dunno... but I still think it was cool! And even though I'm not a great fan of Joey Mc, but I don't think he's a fan of Tori's... he might, but I've never heard him say anything about her or her music, so who knows! ~Shai ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:19:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Serra Angel Subject: Re: Fw: funny tori quote: On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Daisy Dead Petals wrote: > > I dont think this is funny at all. I think it is horrible. What context was > this quote in, anyway??? This was HILARIOUS! Was one of the highlights of the show! (Besides Tear In My Hand and here. in my head. of course :) > > > >Subject: funny tori quote: > > > > > > at teh dallas show tori said this in reference to bush and the > politicians: > > > > "if you haven't swallowed it, smoked it, or licked it, you suck!" > > > > anthonY:) She asked the crowd, "So, like, is the next president coming from here?" Everyone either cheered or screamed, "No!" She kinda gave us this admonishing look and said, "I don't play this song live much, but she wanted to come out tonight in case there are some REPRESSED people out there. Because basically, if you haven't swallowed it, smoked it, or licked it, you suck." Everyone freaked out and went into Icicle, which is obviously about sexual repression and Christianity, which would make a lot of sense in the context of the aforementioned presidental candidate. ;) Kahlan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 19:13:48 GMT From: "Wake UpNeo" Subject: Tori EWF Hangout at The Palace chat. Hi guys ! I just opened a room for EWF to hang out online & chat; avatars and all. If you haven't chatted on The Palace before (and no I don't get any money from them !) it's kinda fun (sometimes). Go to http://www.thepalace.com. It will tell you how to get started. Then, click on 'top 100 palaces'. You will see a palace somewhere in the list called "Palace in Wonderland". Click on the green or red P, by its name (depending on if you have the software, or the other version of The Palace). Once you are in Palace in Wonderland, under options, click on 'go to room'. You will see a box with a list of rooms within that palace. Toward the bottom of the list you will see "Tori Amos EWF Hangout" (can't think of a better name yet). The room is open to all, and you are all welcome to use it whether I'm there or not. All I ask is that you abide by the terms of service, which are: everyone is welcome and everyone is treated with respect. Common sense: no harassing, no foulness. =) Other than that, have fun ! It's a pretty cool place. I finally figured out how to make a Tori avatar. There are already faerie ones to choose from etc. (go to a props room in any palace). The site URL for the palace is as follows but I'm not sure this will work. If not, try it the other way. Have fun ! http://www.thepalace.com:8000/perl/palinfo.pl?lD=G5DBAF7A K. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 22:15:30 +0100 From: "squidgy" Subject: Q Review Another review, this one is by the British magazine 'Q', don't think its been posted yet; > > Tori Amos To Venus & Back > She's getting better. And yet somehow worse > In 1992, after an earlier attempt at ridiculous rock chickery, Tori Amos > decided to immerse herself in highbrow, singer-songwriter-style > eccentricity; Kate Bush times infinity, if you will. The results worked > wonders. Seven years and five albums on, Amos remains the perennial New > Kook On The Block, with an often unhinged dramatic edge to her songs that > some of her peers can only dream of emulating. While '92's re-start, Little > Earthquakes, revealed a natural talent for effortless melody, subsequent > releases have proved increasingly idiosyncratic and wayward. > To Venus & Back is her most involving album to date. It's a rigorous > listen, uneasy on the ears, and malevolently murky enough to suggest that > Nine Inch Nails were loitering somewhere within the bowels of the studio > making suggestions on how to make it sound darker still. Eight tracks in - > tracks which are by turns predatory and demonic - and Amos shreds her > vocals through the mincer to deliver something called Riot Poof (sic). > Consequently, nothing here resembles Silent All These Years. > But, as a consequence of such daring, she only emerges as even more > singular a talent, practically unique, give or take a babbling Alanis > Morissette here, a hyperventilating Paula Cole there. On Juarez, a plunging > neckline of a song, Amos sounds vixen-like and under-dressed; throughout > the electronic Glory Of The 80s, she sounds like a ghost haunting herself, > and given her penchant for shock-tactic lyrics, it takes at least three > listens to the prosaic Concertina to realise that she's not, in fact, > singing 'you are the faeces' but 'you are the fiercest'. 1,000 Oceans then > makes for an incongruous finale, given that it's her simplest and prettiest > song since Little Earthquakes's China, and therefore completely unlike any > of the 10 that precede it; imagine snowflakes falling on hot coals. > Attached to all this comes a 13-track live album (available to all > puchasers of the studio record) consisting largely of rarely played numbers > which, in typical Amos blather, she describes as her 'best friends' who > occasionally tell her to 'fuck off'. But this is hardly surprising in > itself. The songs of Tori Amos are nothing if not brave. Squidgy "Give me love, peace and a hard willy" - Tori Amos and Squidgy © ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 16:18:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Serra Angel Subject: Tori Amos Your article was recently forward to Tori Amos' Precious-Things mailing list, and I thought I would comment on it. You are right in that Tori does have her own idiosyncratic language, and at time it can feel condescending... for years I rejected her music, feeling like I was being puked all over, for lack of a better word. But the only way I could access it and really understand was through countless hours of reading interviews and interpretations. Most people do not listen to music for lyrics, they like the sound or melody. Music "fans", I think, seek more out of their artists: a sense o f identity specifically, and I certainly feela need for an emotional connection. Being a verbal person myself, I really seek lyrical content for enlightenment. I will give an example: I was never into Genesis, I found their music too adult contemporary for my tastes, not having anything even slightly radical to provide. However, when I was having a horrible interraction with a man in my life, the song "That's All" was suddenly brutally appropriate. Now if you would have asked me before that if I would have ever sought out Genesis for enlightenment on relationships, I would have laughed, but the fact is I still own that album now. The point is, sometimes you have to either live an experience, or understand where the artists was coming from before you can really access the emotion and/or meaning in a song. There are Tori songs that have taken me years to figure out, and I constantly reinterpret lyrics with new evidence. That is why I enjoy the mailing list -- it is a place where people are all putting the millions of puzzle pieces together and we can pool our opinions together. Its actually extremely helpful when Tori flat out states the background behind a song. She maintains that her "girls" (her songs) have many layers and different meanings for everyone.. and none of them are wrong. But sometimes the lyrical content is so obtuse, I have to try to really get into her head to figure out what she's singing about. A perfect example of this is "Cloud on my Tongue", a song that never held my interest until the live album came out. I was totally dissapointed to see it on the album, I was like "Why couldn't it have been Yes, Anastasia, or Icicle, etc etc.?" But last week at the Houston show, she played it, and told this little story beforehand (will try to be as accurate as I can remember): "So, there was this boy who had just come in from Borneo, of all places. And he came to my door and said, 'Come on, I have a private jet, let's go.' And he kinda did this flip of his hair, as if he expected me to just jump off with him, as if I didn't have an plans of my own. As it happens, though, I did have other plans. So the moral of the story, boys, is: Maybe you should call first." Ok, at first glance she's just explaining her mental state before she wrote the song. On second glance, she's telling a fable, trying to teach boys to behave. But if you knwo anythiing about her private life, if it was interesting to you, you would realize she's probably talking about Robert Plant, who she has had a crush on since middle school and finally met around the period she wrote this song. She has mentioned he offered to marry her, but she said no because, well, he proposes to hundreds of girls a day. So, if you think about the story and the song, you can understand how this song is ALSO about idol-worship, and how disappointing it can be when you build someone up in your mind. It's kinda like the faerie realm - -- the more you believe in it, the more real it becomes. Just like this guy's ego.. he had no doubt in his mind she would run off with him, knowing she used to have a crush on him. Here are the lyrics, which I am still sifting through, but are much more enlightened since the story: Someone's knockin on my kitchen door leave the wood outside what all the girls here are freezing cold leave me with your Borneo I don't need much to keep me warm don't stop now what you're doing what you're doing my ugly one Bring them all here hard to hide a hundred girls in your hair it won't be fair if I hate her if I ate her you can go now You're already in there I'll be wearing your tattoo you're already in there Got a cloud sleeping on my tongue he goes then it goes and kiss the violets as they're waking up leave me with your Borneo leave me the way I was before You're already in there I'll be wearing your tatoo I'm already in circles and circles and circles again the girl's in circles and circles got to stop spinning circles and circles and circles again thought I was over the bridge now All of a sudden I have this understanding of these obscure lyrics I didn't have before. To make a long story short, I don't think she's really talking to the mass populace when she tells these stories. I think she's speaking to those out there that are really searching to the emotional space she was in. And even her stories are confusing in their way. More pieces to the puzzle. Kahlan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:29:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Keith Shapiro Subject: Juarez intro to Siren, Columbus '98 For those of you who didn't know, Kippy pointed out to me that Tori played part of Juarez in the intro to Siren at the Columbus show, 11/29/98. If you're interested in hearing it, I've thrown an mp3 up on the web: http://take3.dreamhost.com/juarezsiren.mp3 Enjoy! Keith S. - -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- ** -- Keith D. Shapiro * I love you more, than I did the week keither@iname.com * before I discovered alcohol. Would http://take3.dreamhost.com/ * you please ignore, that you found me AOL: kdshap0 ICQ: 1978801 * on the floor trying on your camisole. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 18:34:38 PDT From: "*ShaDy FeLiNE*" Subject: re: little amsterdam lyrics Personally, it has always been "got a goat and a barn" which also makes sense, wouldn't you say? Love Amy p.s., the lack of recognition for my Josephine interp., stupid as you may think it was, has been taken to heart and I'm smarting over it.. a hearty thanks a lot to all who expanded on what was said about the "obvious" meaning and didn't even glance backwards to acknowledge the little redheaded girl who brought it up in the first place.. >From: "a floating... floating girl" >I always thought it was 'a goat and a fawn' - it makes a smidgen more sense >than 'a goat and a phone', but only a smidgen. Are you quite sure about >this?<<< > >OMG i am such i ditz. that *would* make more sense wouldn't it? anyone know >for sure?? > >manda >--- >********************************************************************* __________________________________*__________________________________ GiVe Me LiFe, GiVe Me PaiN, GiVe Me MySeLF aGaiN __________________________________*__________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #302 *************************************