From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #296 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Saturday, October 2 1999 Volume 04 : Number 296 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Tori in Montreal Canada [MusiquePlus] [deborah (by way] Re: Fw: funny tori quote: [angel dust ] Re: not to be of use ["Heather Parsons" ] Re: Little Amsterdam ["Ville 'Miko' =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E4kkinen?=" ] the whole rape issue ["a floating... floating girl" ] ? for seattle ewf [Diana Lieu ] Synths? ["Ville 'Miko' =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E4kkinen?=" ] Re: suede ["Ville 'Miko' =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E4kkinen?=" ] AOL chat made easy [rev erto ] Re: 1000 Oceans video [SYNCJ05@aol.com] Re: Tori in RS [XXXPandora@aol.com] Tori on Rolling Stone [Melissa Puckett ] TVAB opinion ["dbailey" ] Tori pregnant? ["squidgy" ] Houston show... [Amazon8502@aol.com] Re: not to be of use (rather long on the short side) ["squidgy" (by way of puppycakes ) Subject: Tori in Montreal Canada [MusiquePlus] MusiquePlus Wednesday October 13 with 18h30 R-Thursday October 14 with 2h30 and 10h30 Auteure-compositeure-interpret, extraordinary pianist, one of the most significant female artists of the Nineties, such is our artist of October, Tori Amos. In September, she launched her sixth album, To Venus And Back, a double-album containing a disc recorded in studio - entitled Venus Orbiting - and a second disc recorded live at the time of her worldwide tour Plugged. Within the framework of the artist of the month, Tori comes to MusiquePlus for an interactive interview and to interpret for us her successes and some of her new songs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 00:07:07 EDT From: angel dust Subject: Re: Fw: funny tori quote: i think it's very funny..... like latex, fur and feathers: angel "there is a difference between kneeling down and bending over" --frank zappa - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I dont think this is funny at all. I think it is horrible. What context was this quote in, anyway??? Subject: funny tori quote: at teh dallas show tori said this in reference to bush and the politicians: "if you haven't swallowed it, smoked it, or licked it, you suck!" anthonY:) The above text is my stated opinion, which basically makes it fact. You can dispute it all you want, but the truth of the matter is, it's my e-mail and my views, and that's that. If you care to disagree, fine, but don't tell me, 'cause frankly, I could care less. I'd also thank you for your time, but it probably would've been wasted anyways, so you have contributed nothing to me. Goodbye. Daisy Melanie daislen@wctc.net "Your ed-ja-ma-ca-shun aint no hipper than whatcha understand." - --Dr. John "I want the answers quickly, but I don't have no energy. I hold a cup of wisdom, but there is nothing within. My cup she never overfloweth and 'tis I that moan and groaneth." - --Kate Bush ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:17:23 PDT From: "Heather Parsons" Subject: Re: not to be of use Tom wrote: >I have more info that might be relevant to Josephine. If this thread has >worn out for you, I'm sorry. I find this song to be one of the more >fascinating on TVAB. So do I! =) (As if everyone couldn't tell...) I love putting off other email to talk song lyrics...I wish I could just get a major in song interpretation. It would be the most objective/subjective major in the world... >It seems that they were very much in love (someone on this list pointed out >that he was still writing her love letters during his exile). Actually, I'm not entirely sure he was writing them to HER while he was in exile, but I do know that he wrote his brother and close friends about how Josephine was the love of his life. >However, Josephine had become infertile at some point. Now, every emperor >wants an heir and Josephine couldnt' provide him with one. Oh my god -- and there's the missing link! Here I was, banging my head against the wall, trying to figure out what special hidden meaning was buried down deep in the song, and there it is. Thank you, Tom! >Despite their love, he divorced her, remarried, and had a son. This makes >some of Tori's lyrics all the more poignant ("empty like la Tuilleries," >"only not to be of use"). I wonder if this song in some ways concerns >Tori's desire to be a mother >entwined with her fear that she won't be able to have a child. I just got my issue of Spin magazine today, with Tori on the cover (Was anyone else kinda irked about the article, though? Or is this just me reading between the lines too much?), and she describes TVAB as the album which works in a circle -- about being able to move around your heart and see it from different angles. Josephine could very well be a very oblique reference to her miscarriage, and the uncertainty of having another child. This brings up entirely new parallels with the imagery, however: Moscow burning could be how she sees her own womb; Vienna could be representative of life before the miscarriage, as well as her view of herself as a woman; "to advance or not to advance"...need I say more? >Someone mentioned that Josephine cheated on Napolean. I have to ask where >you found that out, because my friend's research never turned up that >detail. It's not anything cryptic or well-hidden, I promise. I had the name of Josephine's officer lover...I can look it up, if you're interested, Tom. They were both known for carrying on various affairs, but to be honest, affairs were more or less expected of your upper class during the seventeenth-eighteenth centuries. It was considered a mark of status, in a strange way. The period before the Victorian Period was one of sexual liberation to a degree. Your philosophers and educators and scientists were very, very popular around this time, so the Church had lost much of its grip on the general populace, ESPECIALLY the upper class. They had money, what was a life of "sin" to them other than a nice little excursion to the, er, countryside? Besides that, you still had marriages of "convenience" around this time, so what was marriage (in many cases) other than faded ink on a yellowed document? >Has Tori performed Josephine live yet? Where/when? Is there a boot? Ditto. And just a quick "cha-ching" that my friend Deborah reminded me of today (after dismissing Josephine as a "little pussy" and Napoleon as a "misogynistic bastard"): you know empire waist dresses? You can thank Josephine for popularizing those. ;) Sorry for clogging those in-boxes. Heather ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: get out of my garden. stupid ideals http://www.geocities.com/heatherspace "Is there room in my heart for you to follow your heart, and not need more blood from the tip of your star?" - -- Tori Amos ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:48:46 +0200 From: "Ville 'Miko' =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E4kkinen?=" Subject: Re: Little Amsterdam "a floating... floating girl" wrote: > OMG i spent FOREVER trying to find out what those damn lyrics were... > "got a room and a place for two, got a goat and a phone, i said boy you are my 5th avenue." I always thought it was 'a goat and a fawn' - it makes a smidgen more sense than 'a goat and a phone', but only a smidgen. Are you quite sure about this? -Miko ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:49:09 +0200 From: "Ville 'Miko' =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E4kkinen?=" Subject: Re: patterns "C. F." wrote: > Has anyone given any thought to the fact that only a certain amount of music > will fit on one CD?? Her songs are not usually those 3 1/2 minuters that > you find on a lot of cds, so maybe it's because she runs out of room after > 12 or so songs....They can be quite hefty in length and even the mighty CD > has its limitations. I am not sure what the capacity is for factory-pressed > cds, but I know that regular blank cds you can get in the store come in > either 74 or 80 minute lengths or 650MB or whatever... Ordinary audio CDs are 74 minutes, unless you do some technical trickery.. Metallica's "Load" is 78 minutes and change, IIRC. Of Tori's albums, Pele is the only one that hits 70. In fact, I think all the others are under an hour. -Miko ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:48:41 +0200 From: "Ville 'Miko' =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E4kkinen?=" Subject: Re: Deadly Datura Wake UpNeo wrote: > As to the other plants in the song, I don't think they're hallucinogenic. I > think it's a Garden of Eden motif. How about purple spires salvia? Some form of salvia is a hallucinogen. I know, I've smoked it.. While all that happened to me was numbness of the limbs and mild disassociation, another guy that picked the stronger stuff had a pretty wild time.. > All that said, I'm pretty anti-drug at least as things currently are. In > most cases ya just dunno what the dosage is you're getting or what's really > in it etc. And it's still illegal and a highly murderous trade, which to > me, means blood is on all of it. Anti-drug-trade isn't quite the same thing as anti-drug. Do you really have a problem with someone growing pot in their basement and smoking it with their friends on weekends? -Miko ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:48:34 +0200 From: "Ville 'Miko' =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E4kkinen?=" Subject: Re: Datura The Great Goddess Jolie wrote: > so i do severy doubt that tori would risk her life to have a datura trip. Isn't ayahuasca (which Tori *has* taken) a mix of datura and some other ingredient? > unless you like complete loss of reality and wandering around > the streets for four days, this is not the drug for you. it is NOT like > acid in the least. there may be visuals, there may not be, but nobody will > ever know because nobody remebers the trip. they just wake up three days > later. I have a friend who took what was apparently datura while visiting with friends in Hungary, and he claims to have had a wonderful trip. Who knows, he may have been very lucky not to die and even luckier to have a good time, or it may have had something to do with the *way* he took it. I'll have to ask. (I'm not recommending datura to anyone, though. It's deadly dangerous. Don't mess with it, much less if you don't know *exactly* what you're doing.) -Miko ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 00:04:07 -0700 From: "a floating... floating girl" Subject: the whole rape issue >>Sarah asked a question, and it seems as though a few people have decided to tear her apart for doing this...<< okay. i, for one, was not attacking sarah, and if seems as if i was, then i apologize. however. it actually has nothing to do with sarah. it seems to me, that it was not too long ago that this whole issue of tori not really being raped was an issue on this list. and i believe richard handal dealt with it beautifully. perhaps i reacted in a way that seemed a little bit "passionate", and perhaps i came across as a bit b*tchy. actually, there was a post i sent that was a total flame, that didn't make it through to the list. maybe becuase i said a few curse words in it. i dunno. it doesn't matter anyways. and it wasn't directed at anyone in particular. but. i firmly believe, that if tori amos said she was raped, than tori amos was raped. i mean, c'mon guys. has she ever given us any indication that what she says is untrue? i read someones post, dont remember who, and they said something about attempted rape and blah blah blah. and i just think its ridiculous. and perhaps i *am* ov! ! erreacting, but i come from the point of view of someone who *was* raped, and who *was* accused of not telling the truth. so. maybe that colors my responses. regardless, i just think its ridiculous that we are even *questioning* what tori has said, and she *has* stated on more than one occasion that she was raped. so. im gonna go ahead and repeat myself here, and if you guys have a problem with what i'm saying, than im sorry. but i just find the whole thing *ridiculous* if tori amos says that she was raped, then tori amos was raped. amanda ********************************************************************** you say 'i'm on the threshold of greatness girl'... Visit my page dedicated to recovering the voices lost to rape. i sang holy holy: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pavilion/2910/rape.html Want to recieve i sang holy holy updates? Subscribe to isangholyholy@onelist.com: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/isangholyholy HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 01:34:40 -0500 From: earthsis@spindle.net (earthsis@spindle.net) Subject: Dallas 9.29.99 review WOW! This show was incredible! This was actually the first time I got to see Tori and the band live, and I'm stunned speechless by the whole ensemble. Absolutely breathtaking.. Ok. Setlist and personal thoughts: *God - Tori sang the intro from offstage (like I heard she's been doing) and emerged from the darkness, joining the band. It sounded great! I could immediately tell she had the energy for this - she seemed ready to go! *Father Lucifer - I didn't even recognize this at first. Either she did some ad-libbing, or changed the sound with the band, but it wasn't until, "Father Lucifer, you never looked so sane.." that I realized what this was. I wasn't sure how this would sound with the band, but it was incredible..And Jon's bass at "nothing's gonna stop me from floating" was rumbling..I felt it through the floor...wonderful.. *Sugar - amazing..better than I'd hoped. Hearing this live brings so many different emotions out, it's even more touching than the studio version (which I didn't think possible). Her voice was really on and you could feel that she was giving it her all. *Juarez - didn't recognize this either, until I caught the drum beat and bass line. She sang "no angel came" accapella as an intro, which rang out nicely. I do love this song on the album, but I felt like it was missing something live. Certainly not from their performances, but I think the individuality of each chord and melody was kind of lost live. Still fun to watch and listen to though. During the entire song, she made gestures, one of them being her arms outspread like an angel during "the desert, she must be blessed". I must compliment Matt on his drumming - I think the whole tribal beat he keeps so well is awesome to listen to! *Past the Mission - I don't think anyone was expecting this. It felt like collective surprise from the audience, resulting in cheers, as she started,"I don't believe I went to far.." Haunting.. *iieee -I was looking forward to hearing this live because it sounds so lucious with the keyboard parts and her singing overlapping..as she has one hand on the Bosey and one hand on the synth..very beautiful song live. During the intro, she slyly pulled out her lipgloss from her pocket and did a little dance while she applied it, then put the cap on and back into her pocket..It was the funniest thing! I don't know if she planned the timing of that, or she really did need a lip gloss boost! She put a lot of emphasis on the "why does there got to be a sacrifice" line, repeating "sacrifice" several times, more than usual. I think she may have made some gestures, like the cradling, but the people from the pit will have to say for sure. *Spring Haze -My friend Cindy and I wanted to hear this live and ,alas, here it was! More beautiful than I'd expected. Her solo piano on the verses gave me chills as she swept into the chorus with the band. She made a flying gesture with her hand during one of the choruses..that grabbed my heart, especially feeling like this song is about a plane crash... *Here. In My Head (solo) - Well sit me down! God, I needed to hear this song so badly and it was so beautiful, it swirled in my head and brought out my tears. She put oomph into "do you know what this is doing to me?" and it was perfect! Breathtaking...my favorite of the night. Chills... *Icicle (solo) - a crowd pleaser! I'm not sure, word for word, what she said but she mentioned that this song doesn't come around too often, but she wanted to play tonight. Everyone was thrilled as soon as she began playing those first familiar notes..and everyone sang along..you could hear this wave of voices singing, "getting off, getting off, while they're all downstairs", which was such a kick to hear! She's always right on the mark when she does this live, and tonight, she did it yet again! *Landslide (solo) - Woah. I have heard this on various recordings and such, but this was my first live. It was so beautiful and moving that I had to sit down, take a breath or two, and cry. The magic she puts into this song is simply astonishing. Her voice sailed through the place, everyone was quietly listening..it was so beautiful. My other favorite moment of the night. (band returns) *Suede - I recognized it from the bass lines.(thank god for Jon, eh?) She was completely playing the keyboard until "oh little sister.." which she switched to solo piano (with bass maybe? I'm not sure..). It was a very bassy song, lots of bottom end, as it is on the album. Kinda like Juarez, the melody got lost in the size of it all. I still love the song though. And there's nothing like her facial expressions - very serious - during the chorus...the intense "Tori" stare.. *Professional Widow - kicked my ass!!WOW. That one word sums it up. God, the band was so into it, the light effects(with smoke) were so fitting..this completely rocked the place...I'd gladly hear this one again!! *Space Dog - I'd only heard this with the band from the TVaB live cd..that's the only way I recognized it! The band did a great job of transferring this song from the studio version. Caton was right on with the guitar effects, very into it. Tori was flawless with the solo piano parts..beautiful.."deck the halls, I'm young again, I'm you again.." *Waitress - ENERGY!! One word, that's all! I've heard it live, but to see it is totally different, with the light show, John bobbing his head with the beat, Matt beating the hell out of his kit, and Caton playing with effects..of course, then we have Tori, who was completely into this song, and I do mean that..she started the "hang ten honey, I'm going go where she goes"..and didn't stop! Just when I thought they'd reached the end, Tori kept on, banging the keys and singing "I believe, I believe.." She was definitely channeling some serious energy. Believe it or not, Caton gave Tori the sign to end it!! His fingers were probably bleeding! Encore 1 *Precious Things - Always awesome..always, always, always! Once again, huge amounts of energy from everyone. Tori really put it all in there with the "girl....." - yep, the long growl of a word with her hand stopping at her crotch and moving up to her chest. Powerful to watch, powerful to hear..love it! *Hotel - Blew my mind! I did not expect this at all and was blissfully surprised.."Give me more" sailed over the crowd..it was awesome..Switching from keyboard to piano, she balanced it all so perfectly, her voice right on the mark. "I have to learn to let you crash"..was so pretty with the lights and band helping out. This was a song I didn't expect to play well live, but it really blew me away! Encore 2 *Jackie's Strength (solo)- she came back out and said, "this is for you." then began playing the beautiful melody. I'm guessing she played this for "us" due to the Dallas and JFK connection. It was intensely beautiful and I love it even more when it's just her and the piano. The place was so quiet, I heard crickets chirp during a pause..people lit up lighters. The was one of the most emotional versions of JS I've ever heard..it certainly got me... (band back) *Tear In Your Hand - This song crushed me...absolutely crushed me..They had it sounding quite close to the studio version, but it was her voice that got me. She put emphasis on certain words that made it hard for you not to feel something. "Maybe it's time to wave goodbye now" was the part that grabbed me..her voice echoing in the air, with incredible emotion...Ah!! *Thank You (solo) - the best version of Thank You I've ever heard! Brought tears to me and my friend Cindy's eyes...it was so incredibly beautiful..she added some things in there that I wasn't able to decipher, and she played around with the chords which made it sound (and feel) even more passionate! She built the ending by letting it last longer..I didn't want the song to end! Ah, but it did, and so did the show. I am so thrilled that I was able to go and be a part of this wonderful night. She truly was at top form and seemed to enjoy having more time on stage again. She didn't chat much, except for asking us if the next president of the United States will be from Texas. (referring to George Bush Jr.) There was a collective", No!" from everyone and she said, "ok, let's move on" in a funny sarcastic tone. Then turned and something like, "the way i see it, if you haven't eaten it, smoked it or licked it, you suck." She introduced the guys and said told us it was her first show solo..the crowd cheered and she said that touring with Alanis was great and Alanis was lovely but it was nice not to have to worry about when to toodle off. :-) Before "Thank You" (I think) she said, "Oh yeah, Happy birthday Ben." Lucky Ben. :-) And if you got to the end of this, wow..thank you! Take care all, Angela~ - -- "You see the bow and the belt and the girl from the South all favorites of mine you know them all well and spring brings fresh puddles that makes it all clear.. do you know, do you know, what this is doing to me? ..here in my head." "Here. In My Head" - Tori Amos~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 05:45:18 EDT From: Blood4Rose@aol.com Subject: Re: DALLAS SHOW In a message dated 10/01/1999 2:30:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, GoneAndromeda@aol.com writes: << i forget the title, but it's a country song about still loving you if the sun refuses to shine >> called Thank you an old led zep song. i loved the show. i drank from the bottle she gave to my friend thomas. i could taste her strawberry lipgloss :D muah and sprinkles Jody ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:28 CDT From: Melanie Rootellis Subject: SHOES Hey! I am at a different address so i dont know if this will post... I had a revelation!!!!!!!!!!! Suede: "mass so big it could swallow her whole...""tide is on her side" This is about someone being a moon and orbiting a sun and the gravity gets goofy and the moon crashes into the sun due to the huge mass of the sun (lots of gravity)--this reminds me of "you are a sun now with your very own satallite" from the dougnut song! And the absorbtion lines is also a means of IDing a star!!!!! OK I gotta run I just had to post this I was frantic to share it!!! Daisy Melanie Melanie D. Rootellis Lab-Med Tech School ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:22:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Diana Lieu Subject: ? for seattle ewf Greetings, I am making the trek from LA to Seattle next week and I wanted to know about the Keyarena. I have GA Floor tickets which I hope is good but there is some confusion. I remeber in the past, reading post saying people were going to wait until seats were avilable. If I want to be right up there (and I do after my nose bleed lodge in Irvine) aren't general admission tickets better? If any one has been there before PLEASE email me and let me know how early to show up( are there no line up prior to policies??? are they completely ignored???) Thanks ===== scraped down to my kness. Trent Reznor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:49:22 +0200 From: "Ville 'Miko' =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E4kkinen?=" Subject: Synths? In a message dated 9/25/99 11:13:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, XXXPandora writes: > > LOL It's meant to be like that!!!! And where are these synthesizers > > that everyone is talking about??? Those are effects!!! I cannot even > > grasp why everyone hears some weird noise and automatically think they > > are synthesizers! Lynne Toussaint wrote: > In the liner notes Tori is listed as playing synths. Yeah, but that doesn't account for *all* the weird noises. Traditionally, more bizarre bleeps, skronks, and squeals are made with electric guitars and samplers than synths. I think Caton is probably most of them, considering all the bizarre tricks he gets up to with that array of FX. (At least, I assume he uses FX. If he doesn't, I can only say 'holy moly!) -Miko ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:49:16 +0200 From: "Ville 'Miko' =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E4kkinen?=" Subject: Re: suede Rachael Lydia Cannon wrote: > the lines, "boy you know you can conjure anything by the dark of the > moon," remind me of the play "Dark of the Moon" i can't remember the > author, but the play's about a "witch-boy" who falls in love w/ Barbara > Allen, a human. the boy visits a "conjure man" to help him become human so > that he and barbara allen can be together, but in a year's time he turns > back into a witch-boy. Also, there's a conversation in one of Terry Pratchett's book between a doyenne of witches and a young impressionable girl who wears a lot of black and too much makeup, about a witchcraft duel, which goes something like this.. "When?" "How about midnight?" "Midnight? Nothing special about midnight. Why, practic'ly *anyone* can be a witch by midnight." And Terry is apparently a friend of Neil's.. They've collaborated on a book called 'Good Omens', which I heartily recommend to anyone with an interest in modern-day fantasy, or roll-around-on-floor-shrieking- and-wet-your-pants humor. -Miko ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:19:33 -0700 (PDT) From: rev erto Subject: AOL chat made easy If anyone is interested in a Word doc of the AOL Tori chat, email me privately: reverto@yahoo.com Ryan ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:31:04 EDT From: SYNCJ05@aol.com Subject: Re: 1000 Oceans video Hi--- sorry if this question has been asked before but... Where can I see the 1000 oceans video and Bliss video?? Thanx-a-bunch to anyone who could give me the info! :) Megan SYNCJ05@aol.com *So sure we were on something your feet are just on the ground, girl* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:51:50 EDT From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori in RS In a message dated 9/30/1999 7:50:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rainingvodka@earthlink.net writes: << to think millions of ppl have seen/will see Tori in the beret I gave her... >> and she looks really really good in it too :) good color choice and welcome to the listie :) kisses, joanen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:44:18 -0500 From: Melissa Puckett Subject: Tori on Rolling Stone Hey fellow EWF, I remember reading some messages about Tori being in the new Rolling Stone a little bit back..and I just received mine in the mail. I cant remember what all was said, but I do remember it being said that Trent Reznor was on the cover (I think)... well I was just curious, are there two versions to the mag..cause I mine came with our beautiful Tori on the cover, looking very awesome. just curious... Melissa Puckett Indianapolis, Indiana home email: boys4pele@prodigy.net work email: melissa@photocomp.com "You'll never gain weight from a Donut Hole" "Anybody knows you can conjure anything by the dark of the moon" "You cant stop whats coming, cant stop what is on it's way..." "Shes been everybody else's girl, maybe one day she'll be her own.." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:32:33 -0500 From: "dbailey" Subject: TVAB opinion Does anyone else think the new material is, well, rather bland? 1000 Oceans was the first song I heard and it struck me as pretty but boring and unoriginal...it seems to be a clone of the 1000+ other heart-broken ballads that it is so similar to. However, after subsequently listening to the rest of the CD, my appreciation for it grew immensely, which doesn't bode well for my opinion of the rest of the material, I'm sad to say. Of course, I'm focusing purely on the ear-candy appeal of the music. I admittedly haven't taken the time to read the lyrics to the songs, so there might be something worthwhile in it yet. But it sure doesn't come through in the sound. Heck, I don't even mind Datura, like some do, but nothing on the CD has the stand-out appeal of songs like Black Dove/January, or the sheer vocal majesty of Northern Lad or Pandora's Aquarium. None of the songs are catchy like Precious Things, Cornflake Girl, or Caught A Lite Sneeze. It's almost like Tori wrote music to showcase her band and not the stories behind each song. Perhaps the CD will grow on me after I listen to it under headphones and high volume (most CDs have that effect upon me in such conditions) but right now, I have to say I'm disappointed. Frankly, I miss the girl and her piano. Doug dbailey@hotpop.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 22:31:13 +0100 From: "squidgy" Subject: Tori pregnant? > The Tori tour is OVER! We went to the show Sept 26 in irvine CA and we > swear Tori announced she was pregnant, she looked it and she was making > "big tummy" hand movements and other signs which made the crowd ROAR. I saw this on an Ebay listing...anyone know if this is true!? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:49:20 EDT From: Amazon8502@aol.com Subject: Houston show... Hi there, I really enjoyed last night's Houston concert! I can say for the first time I didn't have anyone sitting in front of me dancing wildly so that I couldn't see. Although there was a girl next to me that was dancing differently, but it was amusing to watch. I'm not up on the different dances but it looks kinda like she was posing or something. She was dressed Gothic too. Anyway, I'm sorry but I don't have a song list. I was enjoying myself way too much to write them down. It seemed to me as if a lot of songs from Pele and Pink were played, but there could have been a pretty good distribution of different songs. I do know she rocked the house by opening up with "God"and closing the show with "Angie." Ohh and I know someone just posted about Tori fans going to see Ani and yes I am on the 18th! It will be my first time and I'm excited! I have to ask one more question. Were any of you guys from Houston gathered on the side of the building last night hoping for an after show meet and greet? I was there and all I have to say is that a good day ended in a very, very bad way. Yes, for any of you who were there. That was MY husband being arrested because the horse almost knocked me down when the security lady was doing crowd control. He told the security to step back because I am handicapped and can't move as fast as she wanted. See they had asked everyone to go to their cars, but our car was right there. We were sitting on it in the handicapped spot. Needless to say he was falsely arrested for public intoxication and he NEVER drinks alcohol ever!! I must say I have lost faith in the police system. It seems they could easily lie about what is going on and you can't say shit because they are the cops...the law. Alessandra ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 02:12:36 +0100 From: "squidgy" Subject: Re: not to be of use (rather long on the short side) Josephine became infertile!?, didn't know they had fertility tests in those days, me thinks Napolean was shagging every other living thing and producing babies for the trouble, 'hmm' thinks Napolean, 'Josephine hasn't produced me a child and we've been at it like dogs, must be infertile, have to divorce her and inseminate some other young filly'. Squidgy - ---------- >From: "Tom xxxxx" >To: precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: not to be of use (long) >Date: Thu, Sep 30, 1999, 20:35 > > > Hi folks. > > I have more info that might be relevant to Josephine. If this thread has > worn out for you, I'm sorry. I find this song to be one of the more > fascinating on TVAB. > > A friend and I were discussing this song and it inspired her to do some > research. Here's what she turned up: Napolean was Josephine's second > husband. She had two kids from the first, but still managed to win his hand. > It seems that they were very much in love (someone on this list pointed out > that he was still writing her love letters during his exile). However, > Josephine had become infertile at some point. Now, every emperor wants an > heir and Josephine couldnt' provide him with one. Despite their love, he > divorced her, remarried, and had a son. This makes some of Tori's lyrics all > the more poignant ("empty like la Tuilleries," "only not to be of use"). I > wonder if this song in some ways concerns Tori's desire to be a mother > entwined with her fear that she won't be able to have a child. > > Someone mentioned that Josephine cheated on Napolean. I have to ask where > you found that out, because my friend's research never turned up that > detail. > > Has Tori performed Josephine live yet? Where/when? Is there a boot? > > blue skies and fair winds, > Tom > > PS---If anyone happens to be going to the Indigo Girls show in Asbury Park, > NJ, drop me a line. We could meet up! > > "We own nothing, nothing is ours > Not even love so fierce it burns like baby stars > But this poverty is our greatest gift > The weightlessness of us as things around begin to shift." > Emily Saliers, "Everything in Its Own Time" > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #296 *************************************