From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #290 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Tuesday, September 28 1999 Volume 04 : Number 290 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Datura, oh trippiness [Freedom110@aol.com] Datura ["Heather Parsons" ] Re: Datura, oh trippiness [Freedom110@aol.com] Re: datura ["Joshua Meier" ] somewhat objective Venus review and unabashed plug [krisis@drexel.edu] extra copy of TVAB available - digipak [Cindy26471@aol.com] Datura (a picture) ["Heather Parsons" ] Toys and Happy Workers ["Emily W. Rigdon" ] hazy meaning! ["Emily W. Rigdon" ] Re: datura [Nosaidyes@aol.com] To Venus and Back...liner notes ["Ryan T. Engel" ] using datura ["Emily W. Rigdon" ] Re: liner notes mistake? [Ken Tough ] Re: Tori Video ["*ShaDy FeLiNE*" ] MP3s ["~Wendi~" ] UTP VS TVAB ["sheina kalinchak" ] Re: TVAB: Suede [The Dark Of The Moon ] Re: Datura, oh trippiness [Natalie Lockwood ] Tori mentioned! ["Tha Shaigirl" ] Re: patterns..and the number 12 [Mermann658@aol.com] alanis' auction is better..dammit! ["Kristy" ] ~JoSePHiNe~ ["*ShaDy FeLiNE*" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 22:25:30 EDT From: Freedom110@aol.com Subject: Re: Datura, oh trippiness In a message dated 9/26/99 10:37:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ssvidar@super.net.uk writes: > This , I think has to be the song which I like least on this album, the one > thing the makes me buy Toris album is her voice in song....this is just > basically her talking for bloody ages about various druggy plants, a bit of > music and then a repetition of the same line again and again 'deviding > Canaan'...which I can take if the tune varies or her voices changes pitch, > whatever but I just can't stand hearing that repeated again and again! > arrghhh....maybe this is truly one for the drug-takers, because I think > you'd have to be pretty drugged to get this song to sail your ships. > > Squidgy > It's fine that you don't like the song. Everyone on this list is at a different point in there lives, and different things affect them in different ways. I feel this song in such a strong way. What an arrogant statement saying that only someone on drugs would appreciate it. - -Gus (Who enjoys Datura, and will defend it. And just for the record, is not addicted to drugs) (: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:32:08 PDT From: "Heather Parsons" Subject: Datura Squidgy wrote: >This , I think has to be the song which I like least on this album, the one >thing the makes me buy Toris album is her voice in song....this is just >basically her talking for bloody ages about various druggy plants, a bit of >music and then a repetition of the same line again and again 'deviding >Canaan'...which I can take if the tune varies or her voices changes pitch, >whatever but I just can't stand hearing that repeated again and again! >arrghhh....maybe this is truly one for the drug-takers, because I think >you'd have to be pretty drugged to get this song to sail your ships. "I'm saaaAAAAAAaaaaaaaaailing! SAAAAAIIIIILLLLLLLIIIIIINNNG!" Oh, um...DAMN THAT NYQUIL! Heather p.s. You rule, Gus! ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: get out of my garden. stupid ideals http://www.geocities.com/heatherspace "Is there room in my heart for you to follow your heart, and not need more blood from the tip of your star?" - -- Tori Amos ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 22:39:05 EDT From: Freedom110@aol.com Subject: Re: Datura, oh trippiness In a message dated 9/26/99 7:27:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Sparkly658@hotmail.com writes: > Hehe, ok then I know what I am doing when i get home tomorrow from school! > Yea, I've always wanted to take shrooms and pop in my Tori cds but I always > forget! I'm such a ding a ling. Hydro baby! Get a good fat blunt of hydro > and inhale into the smoke which is Tori! WOoohooo! > *delirium gal* ::::pictures myself and delirium girl high, and listening to DATURA:::: That's such a cravy though, I love it. Inform me on Hyro my dear, though. - -Gus Clitoria Blue Pea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:32:42 -0500 From: "Joshua Meier" Subject: Re: datura >>> "Lauren DePhillips" 09/26 3:34 PM >>> >and Datura, i believe, not sure, is a flower with medicinal >ingredients and is a hallucinogen...which to me could mean she is >medicating, taking care of her garden. Tori has talked about using datura with a South-American shaman as the inspiration behind Father Lucifer. Does anyone know if the other plants listed have a similiar hallicinogenic properties or what there signifigance might be??>> I thought that tori did ayahuasca and that was where father lucifer came from. am I confused? hrmmm.... ~* jo§h ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 22:44:54 -0400 From: krisis@drexel.edu Subject: somewhat objective Venus review and unabashed plug Before i get to the review (which will ***hopefully*** be featured in Drexel's school newspaper), let me put in an unabashed plug for my site. On it you will find guitar chords/tabulature for a bunch of Tori songs, including SEVEN from VENUS!!! I dunno how i did it, but for guitar the transcriptions aren't too bad. So, i encourage you all to go and use these EXCLUSIVE tabs and please CORRECT me where i have made errors. Also, if you take them, i will KILL YOU. My site can be found at both http://fly.to/AMkitchen/ and http://www.geocities.com/am_kitchen/ Anyway, my review might seem over critical, but it has the non-tori fan in mind. I personally love the studio album, and somewhat like the live album (though i feel Sessions is highly superiour). The review will be on my site soon. Tori Amos - To Venus and Back Disc 1: Venus. Orbiting (*** */2 out of 5) Disc 2: Venus Live. Still Orbiting (*** out of 5) Tori Amos is an acquired taste. It is only fair to state this before reviewing any of her work. You can easily be mystified for years as your friends spend time and money on their Tori Amos collection without understanding the allure of this undeniably eccentric red-head. Sometimes Amos makes this easier to understand, as she did last year with her most accessible record to date, *from the choirgirl hotel.* Now, after giving us just a year to absorb that tour-de-force recording, she has released a brand new double CD, entitled *To Venus and Back*. The set is not a single entity, but two separate records: a new set of studio songs entitled *Venus. Orbiting* and a long awaited live record named *Venus Live. Still Orbiting.* *Venus. Orbiting* contains little of the lyrical accessibility that *choirgirl* featured; that album seemed downright literal after the metaphorical language of its precedents. Amos has taken a step back into obscurity with *Venus*, and sometimes Amos's obscure can sound downright silly. Take, for instance, the lead single "Bliss," with its first line "Father, I killed my monkey." Only those well versed in Tori trivia understand the reference, and even then the line sounds a bit silly as the lead-in to a whole album. There are similar moments on the album, whether it be the nonsense lyrics of the ballad "Lust" or the name of the eighth track, "Riot Poof." What distinguishes Venus from Amos's other recent efforts is that there are a few indisputable shining tracks and some generally agreed upon flubs, with less falling into the middle. "Concertina" is one of the former, a track which melds synth-strings with piano to create an instant classic in the vein of "Girl" (found on the live record). One of the latter is "Datura," which wastes its dense music and spare lyrics on Amos dead-panning a list of ingredients in the background. Another debatable flub is "1000 Oceans," the tepid and uninspired album closer that only becomes powerful after you hear the story of its conception. The middle ground is comparable to Amos's other work in various ways. "Josephine" soars above most of the album with it's martial drumbeat and images of battle, the song easily connects to the epic "Yes, Anastasia." "Spring Haze" comes off as a rehash of the better *Boys for Pele* melodies, but adds nothing to them. "Juárez" is a sister to many of the *choirgirl* songs with its minimal lyrics and ultra-thick electronic backgrounds. "Glory of the 80's" sounds like a misplaced Alanis Morissette song, but its quirky narrative is full of fun and 80's in-jokes (a la "The Wrong Band"). The live material on *Venus Live. Still Orbiting* at times captures the exact essence of a song, and at times blunders along until Amos mercifully sings the closing notes. Some of the more popular recordings of her tour, notably her appearance on "Sessions on West 54th," surpass *Venus Live* in both the selection and quality of songs. "Precious Things" and "Waitress," the bookends of every set on the Plugged tour, are executed flawlessly here. Other tracks from *Under The Pink* do not fare as well as "Waitress:" "Space Dog" loses the spaciness of it's album version and "Cloud On My Tongue" often passes by unnoticed. There are some surprises: "Cruel," with it's near-operatic closing vocals; the rare romp through "Mr Zebra;" and the eccentric "Purple People," which works well as the closer of the album. The shining stars of this live set are a driven version of the once-spare b-side "Sugar," and the achingly beautiful "Cooling," which was previously only available on a limited English single. Though suffering from a few glaring oversights (the breathtaking "Caught a Lite Sneeze," not to mention most of *choirgirl*), the other tracks range from solid ("Cornflake Girl") to misguided ("Bells For Her"). However, they are all executed with the grace and precision that has become Amos's trademark, which sets them apart from most live recordings. Despite this, or maybe due to it, Venus will never become a Tori Amos staple in the way that *Living In Clip* has become one for fellow road-dog and alternative-hipster Ani DiFranco. Taken by itself *To Venus And Back* is a confident album which portrays Tori Amos in motion, whether she be touring or moving forward in life. Taken as an extension of her body of work, it presents some truly stunning results but also disappoints as a definitive live collection. The studio work can be arresting if given the chance, while the live set would become irrelevant if not for featuring some well executed rarities. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 22:53:19 EDT From: Cindy26471@aol.com Subject: extra copy of TVAB available - digipak Hi guys, I have an extra (still sealed) copy of the new album available if anyone is interested. I bought this copy from a record store in order to get an extra lithograph to give my friend. I had already purchased my own copy on the day of the release, so obviously I don't need this copy. If you're interested, I am only asking $20, which includes shipping. It's the cool digipak version, which I hear is more rare than the traditional jewel cases. It's selling for around $23-25 in stores, so this is a good way to save a few bucks. Hope this will help someone out. Just email me if you're interested. :) thanks!! Cindy Cindy26471@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:01:34 PDT From: "Heather Parsons" Subject: Datura (a picture) Hello! The fabulouso Amanda of here.inmyhead.net posted this to the January Girls mailing list: a picture of Datura. It's quite pretty, and oh, she also said it's other name is Devil's Trumpets. Heh heh. http://www.geocities.com/heatherspace/datura.jpg That should work, is not, replace heatherspace with SoHo/Coffeehouse/4242. No rest without love, no sleep without dreams, Heather ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: get out of my garden. stupid ideals http://www.geocities.com/heatherspace "Is there room in my heart for you to follow your heart, and not need more blood from the tip of your star?" - -- Tori Amos ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:30:17 -0400 From: "Emily W. Rigdon" Subject: Toys and Happy Workers Yeah, I love that movie Toys. Anyway, I read somewhere way back when that Tori was very displeased with the way that they mastered her song for the show. So, although she wrote it, she hated the finished final product. I remember reading this because I rather liked the song. I think has a definite sound that reflects other sounds and the personality of the movie. I guess a contract is a contract, and that's why the song got on the album. So if you don't like the "Happy Workers," you're not the only one, Tori doesn't either! I don't think I have ever heard of her playing that live (if someone has, please let me know), and I guess that's the reason. love, emily ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:17:07 -0400 From: "Emily W. Rigdon" Subject: hazy meaning! Good point about the airplane joanne! good police work! I also would like to comment that I was reading the transcript for the Just Passing Through show she did for the radio station in Washington DC tonight on the Dent. The interviewer tells Tori that when he heard about the JFK Jr tragedy he thought of her and he thought to himself, "This is something I need to ask Tori about when I see her next." So he did and they talked about "Jackie's Strength," how Tori found out about the tragedy, and the metaphorical connection the US has with this family. Then she proceeded, was apparently inspired, to go on and play "Jackie's Strength, " immediately after. It seems that if the interviewer had hit on something that really inspired a song for the new album, Tori would have just HAD to at least mention that she thought about it some when writing something for her new album because it would have been such a coincidence that he mentioned that. Yet, the topic was only tied back to "Jackie's Strength." I don't really see the connection with Spring Haze, just because there is an airplane and the words, "You say we'll never make it there." There is no dying either, "so all we do is circle it." Now, why would our Tori be talking about circling something literally when we all know most of her lyrics are usually metaphorical! : ) plus i think singing, "waiting on Sunday to drown" would be making too lightly out of a serious and grave situation, and in light of that DC interview, it is obvious that she recognizes that gravity. What about drowning on Sunday relating to baptism, but not necessarily literally, but drowning in all that religion entails, in its limitations on your freedom to do almost anything. Religion can be very smothering. . .just a suggestion - but what Spring Haze represents - who knows!? Unfortunately, I have no insight or theory on what all this could mean, so we have to hope Tori will drop us some more clues! love, emily >Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:45:34 EDT >From: XXXPandora@aol.com >Subject: JFK jr spring haze >ok I have one more thing to say about this (for now) :) ... >in the song she says 'single engine cessna' >jfk was in a 1995 single engine piper saratoga. >that clears up any speculation in my mind. >kisses, >joanne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:58:33 EDT From: Nosaidyes@aol.com Subject: Re: datura In a message dated 9/26/99 9:26:50 PM EST, lauren15@hotmail.com writes: << Tori has talked about using datura with a South-American shaman as the inspiration behind Father Lucifer. Does anyone know if the other plants listed have a similiar hallicinogenic properties or what there signifigance might be?? >> tori has talked about using ayahuasca with a shaman. j'ason ~~ toriphoria - the word of tori amos http://members.xoom.com/gosaidgo/toriphoria.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 01:45:04 -0500 From: "Ryan T. Engel" Subject: To Venus and Back...liner notes Hello Did anyone else notice that in the liner notes, the names of everyone but Tori are capitalized? "Writen and Produced by: tori amos" Any thoughts on this? I and my "artistic" friends capitalize our names or not, depending...i usually do, following the rules of grammar, unless I'm feeling very small at the time. Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:40:17 -0400 From: "Emily W. Rigdon" Subject: using datura Here's two interesting sites with some information about the flower and plant Datura and then about what a trip is like on Datura. http://prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com/balistik/garden/datura.htm http://www.hyperreal.org/drugs/natural/datura.rpts I think several of the people discussing it talk about other drugs they've used that are similar and compare it to other drugs - it's a VERY interesting read! But it also sounds like something the average drug user would not want to fuck with! It's sounds like pretty crazy stuff! love - emily "Does anyone know if the other plants listed have a similiar hallicinogenic properties or what there signifigance might be??" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 07:59:01 +0100 From: Ken Tough Subject: Re: liner notes mistake? Apparently Nadyne Mielke wrote: >Actually, there's been speculation that EastWest screwed up on the liner >for this song. ... >I believe that the "(Christmas in Space)" was supposed to go after "Have >Yourself a Merry Little Christmas", not after "Purple People". It >certainly makes more sense, and I think my opinion is supported by the lack >of "(Christmas in Space)" on the US Spark singles. And by the fact that it's actually written as "Have Youself a Merry Little Christmas" - -- Ken Tough ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 05:09:01 PDT From: "*ShaDy FeLiNE*" Subject: Re: Tori Video It was 1000 Oceans, if you stare at her mouth you can decipher some of the words.. >From the moment I saw that it was a new thing it was my mission to figure out what it was, and I did it! (Hopefull successfully) Hope that helped! Amy >From: JiVaDiVa@aol.com >Reply-To: JiVaDiVa@aol.com >To: precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: Tori Video >Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:29:54 EDT > > >What exactly was the video playing on the screens behind Jay Leno when he >was >announcing his guests? I haven't heard anything about a new video, and this >was definately one I have seen before. >Any info? > >joanie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:11:46 -0400 From: "~Wendi~" Subject: MP3s can anyone give me the URLs of some good mp3 sites (with Tori & others too)?? thanks! wendi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:02:46 PDT From: "sheina kalinchak" Subject: UTP VS TVAB "then, if you compare UTP and TVAB, they are both more random topically (I know UTP is the impressionist painting, but i dont know if TVAB is defined yet)" - --Perhaps the surrealistic painting? that's how it strikes me, at least. - -sheina ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:04:03 -0700 (PDT) From: The Dark Of The Moon Subject: Re: TVAB: Suede Ok - maybe I am not to bright here, but I know that sometimes Tori sings parts of the alternate lyrics when she sings live, and so I want to share what she sang when I saw her live. Unfortunately, I don't have the new album here at work so that I can listen to the background lyrics, so I don't know what help I am doing by summitting this. Anyway, I will give it a listen when I get back home, as well as look up the written lyrics in the booklet. ~~michaela~ >From the Concord, CA Show, she sang these words: - -Suede- Oh, little sister, I wish you didn't feel that way, Oh, little sister, I'm glad you came, and I said, Oh, little sister, I wish you didn't feel that way, Oh, little sister, Oh, again, and I said, Oh, little sister, I wish you didn't feel that way, Oh, I'm still glad you came, and I said, Oh, little sister, I hope you wouldn't feel that way, And oh, little girl, I guess that I knew the same, and I said, Oh, little sister, I wish you didn't feel that way, And oh, I said I wished, Oh, little sister, You'll forgive me one day, You'll forgive me.... One day - -Suede- - --- "(Jupie)Hey Jupiter LJ (LiquidJupiter" wrote: > > O-Kay, so i have been in love with 'Suede' ever > since i 1st heard it! > (at Tori's Pittsburgh Pa performance 9/10) I have > been so in love with > this song and than i got TVAB and i am even so more > in love with it! > > So, i've had it on repeat now for almost the past > week. Just can't > get enough of this song! I absolutely Love the new > album, and how she's > always changing! > > Anyhoo, back to 'Suede'. So since i've pretty > much have this song on > constantly, i picked up some of the hidden > undertones near the end of > the song. (During the 'ohhh little sister' part) I > know there are other > lyrics she sings other than in the lyric book. But i > am not talking > about the 'ohh little sister...' lines, I am talking > about whats > underneath those unwritten 'ohh little sister' > lyrics. (the --'s count > as words i can not make out) Well here it goes: > > - - - I (or try), > didn't you, > you still came, > you didn't even feel this time, > and i feel that way, > I said it's still (or let's do) the same, > - all I didn't feel, > - -, > something, > I'll, > get me (or get mine, this last line is at the end > when she says 'forgive > me') > > I was wondering if anyone else picked up on these > and what they think > it might be. Of course they are obviously not > accurate, but i'm giving > my thoughts on this, and just thought i might share > or see if anyone > else came up with something different.Well anyone > with thoughts on this: > Let them be known! hehe > > Take great care and thanks! > ~~*Greg*~ > call me 'evil', > call me 'tide is on your side', > anything that you want, > anybody knows you can conjure, > anything by the dark of the moon > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:17:42 -0400 From: Natalie Lockwood Subject: Re: Datura, oh trippiness squidgy wrote: > This , I think has to be the song which I like least on this album, the one > thing the makes me buy Toris album is her voice in song....this is just > basically her talking for bloody ages about various druggy plants, a bit of > music and then a repetition of the same line again and again 'deviding > Canaan'...which I can take if the tune varies or her voices changes pitch, > whatever but I just can't stand hearing that repeated again and again! > arrghhh....maybe this is truly one for the drug-takers, because I think > you'd have to be pretty drugged to get this song to sail your ships. > > Squidgy I have to disagree with you there....I don't do drugs, and I love this song! I'll admit that at first it wasn't one of my favorites, but the more I listened to it, the more I liked it. After the beginning "get out of my garden" part, I adore it when the song finally develops some sort of melody and she sings, "Is there room in my heart for you to follow your heart, and not need more blood from the tip of your star?" She only repeats it twice, I think, but I love it. I also think I started enjoying the song more when I listened more to her singing, "Get out of my garden," instead of listening to her whisper the plant names. The whispering works beautifully in the background if you concentrate on the singing. Anyhow, I think it's a fabulous song (as are all the others), it just took me a while to absorb. Have patience. While I'm at it, I might as well do my song-by-song review..... Bliss: I love this song, but I'll admit I don't listen to it much anymore because I listened to it too much on the single. Still, it's a beautiful song that's perfect for certain moods. Juarez: This song continues to grow on me. It's dark and violent, but also incredibly sad. I love "no angel came". I do have one question about this one, though: Tori is singing from the point of view of the desert, taking on the desert's voice, right? In that case, is the desert speaking/singing in both the first and the third person? I know Tori has done that before....Hey Jupiter comes to mind.....but I still thought it was a bit interesting. Concertina: I adore this song! The melody is fantastic, and there's so much double meaning in the lyrics that they will be (already are) great to interpret. Glory of the 80's: Well, not one of my favorites, but it has grown on me a bit. At first, I didn't like it at all, but now I'm beginning to like it, if only because I enjoy the bit of humor in it. The beat and the lyrics go too fast for my usual liking, but when it slows down at, "And then when it all seemed clear, just then you go and disappear..." I find that I'm actually enjoying it. Lust: I like this song. Its slow-motion swirling kind of feel is great. At first I thought it was kind of 'okay', but the more I listen to it, the more I like it. The piano is more obvious in this one than in the preceding few songs, so I think at first I liked it because it was a bit of a relief from all that technology, lol. It's good, though. Suede: Excellent! Dark song, and it just gets better with each listen. I love the beginning when she just sings, "Suede," over and over. I also love, "Call me evil...." and "Ohh, little sister...." I was wondering about Little Sister: In the credits, it says, "Cody: Little Sister". Who is Cody? Sorry if that's a dumb question. Josephine: This is perhaps my favorite on the whole CD. I love this song! It's such a contrast to the previous song, which makes it even more powerful. I love the marching drum beat in the context of the song. There is such a feeling of sadness and overwhelming regret. The piano is gorgeous and welcome.....I only wish the song weren't so short! Riot Poof: This is the one song I don't like at all yet. I don't know why really, it just doesn't do anything for me. The lyrics are obscure, I think, and....I don't know, I just don't like it. Datura: See review above. Spring Haze: The beginning of this song reminds me so much of some other Tori song...I think from BfP. I just can't pinpoint which one. My first thought was Agent Orange, but I haven't listened to that one in a while, so that's probably not the one. My favorite part in this whole song is when she sings "luna riviera". There's just something about the way she sings those two words that is so awesome! 1000 Oceans: This is such a beautiful, aching ballad. I can understand it better now that I have the lyrics....I always thought that it was for someone who had died, but now that I also know the specific inspiration, it's a bit more interesting. Okay, that's it. Natalie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:08:54 EST From: "Tha Shaigirl" Subject: Tori mentioned! Tori was mentioned in the Australian Top 50 Charts in today's mailing. It really wasn't *about* her, but I still thought it was cool! Here's what it said... "Tom Jones continues with the idea of collaborations as this week he does what he did back in 1995 when he teamed up with Tori Amos to record the ballad "I Wanna Get Back With You". However, this time round, he joins forces with the group, the Cardigans, on the track "Burning Down The House", which comes in at number 31 this week. During thelast 10 years of chart history, Tom Jones has had a couple of top 10 hits -"Kiss" (with the Art Of Noise) peaked at number 8 back in February 1989,and "If I Only Knew" went all the way to number 5 just before Christmas 1994." Well... there you have it! ~Shaigirl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:32:18 EDT From: Mermann658@aol.com Subject: Re: patterns..and the number 12 In a message dated 9/26/99 9:27:37 PM Central Daylight Time, toussaint@ime.net writes: > Has anyone else noticed the amount of tracks on each album? Besides Pele, > which has a few little one and half minute songs, LE, UTP, FTCGH are all 12 > tracks long. Orbiting is 11 and Still Orbiting is 13, averaged together, > 12. Does anyone thinks Tori has done this purposly, or perhaps it has an > unconscious meaning? I know there are a lot of interesting number references in Tori's songs and my website deals with them ( http://members.aol.com/gud4astorm/siteindex.html#NO ), but not sure if it applies to the number of songs on the albums etc. Wanted to post this info about the number twelve, 'cause it's pretty interesting. :-) "Twelve is the number of what is completed, which forms a whole, a perfect and harmonious unit. In the ancient civilizations, like Oriental and Judaic, it corresponds to the plenitude, the completion and the integrality of a thing. R. Allendy tells that it expresses the idea that the Universe forms a whole, associated with the idea of differentiation - 10 + 2." From: Numbers: Symbolism and Properties http://www.globetrotter.qc.ca/gt/usagers/sdesr/nuprop.htm RJ alias-Merman- "I guess I'm an underwater thing, so I guess I can't take it personally" - -Tori Amos- "Always forgive your enemies--nothing annoys them so much." - -Oscar Wilde- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:38:07 -0400 From: "Kristy" Subject: alanis' auction is better..dammit! MMkay, this sucks! The stuff Alanis is auctioning is *way* cooler than what Tori is, and it makes me sad. Alanis is auctioning off props from videos, a harmonica,handwritten lyrics... that stuff is SWEET! and then, you go to Tori's auction. All there is to get are autographed shirts (one of each from the tour), and one auto'd tour program! :P it makes me SAD. just SAD. i was looking at Tori's auction stuff, and then was thinking, "hey, i wonder if alanis is doing the same." but nnooo.... alanis is doing stuff we'd actually *want* if we were said Alanisites. I mean, autographed Toristuffs are great, but you can just go to a meet & greet, and ask her to sign said shirt or said program. i'm sad. Love and Sparkles, Kristy (\o/) "They're not Ears With Feet, they're Assholes With Tickets." ~~*the lovely Amy Webb, aka WyrdWoman §Visit my Tori Amos website, at http://fly.to/behindmyeyes§ *My homepage: http://www.geocities.com/tori_choirgirl "rolling and unrolling coiling emerging running free running through the underworld into your room..." ~*Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:04:52 PDT From: "*ShaDy FeLiNE*" Subject: ~JoSePHiNe~ I have come to decide that this song is about *deep breath* love. Not new love, not love that is still love.. Not a happy song. The narrator (whomever he or she may be) at one time had a beautiful love for someone else, a mutual love that has been lost. Our hero (the narrator) knows, is CERTAIN, that if they could just try again.. It could be reclaimed.. But the other half of this beautiful relationship is putting it off.. "not tonight, not tonight".. The entire tone of the song, to me, is at times one of regret, sometimes one of anger, longing, and she even goes so far as to add a tone of anger, with a sprig of sadness for taste.. The whole time the narrator seems to know it will work, yet know there is no possibility.. HopefuIly some of you are able to grasp what I am trying to say.. Forgive me for the scattered thought, this song hit me a few days ago, and I've been sat at school all day today thinking about putting my thoughts into actual text for the lot of you.... It's actually quite hard to summarize, so I'll present my theory / idea to you in a fashion not unlike those I have seen used on this list recently... *put on your openminded caps!* not tonight, Josephine *that trite phrase... in an army's strength therein lies the denouement *armies are strong, right?denouement is defined by the webster's dictionary as 1 : the final outcome of the main dramatic complication in a literary work 2 : the outcome of a complex sequence of events So, the answer is to be strong, the narrator will have to be strong, or will come out strong as an army is the end... anther possibility that just popped into my brain.. we all know that when a really horrible breakup ensues, and you miss whoever you were with, you have to be strong, and you go searching searching searching for strength, and you come out of the whole thing a stronger person.. from here you're haunting me *the narrator is out, he or she is over it, the have gone somewhere else.. from that place of pain at the loss to one of serene (perhaps) one-ness.. At ease with one's self.. but instead of "there" (the pain-stricken place) they are "here" (the ok place) yet, the other is still haunting them.. the are STILL catching themself thinking about the other person.. by the seine, so beautiful.. only not to be of use? impossible.. the Seine, a beautiful river.. The relationship and the love in it was just as beautiful as this lovely river... but the love is dormant.. the anger bit is sensed in this line and the others like it.. It's a huge mistake to let it lie there not being used, and the narrator sees it so strange, victory the "getting over it" mentioned above applies here... getting over a lost love is DEFINETLY a victory.. It's a victory, but it's not as the narrator imagined.. There are still feelings there twelve hundred spires, the only sound, moscow burning Moscow is a very powerful city.. the love was just as powerful as Moscow.. here in the Ok place it is quiet, and the only thing that can be heard is the powerful love burning to the ground.. Perhaps a BfP reference, "the spire is hot and my cells can't feed"? empty like the tuileries the place the narrator is in now is empty.. i discovered that a tuilery is like the beams of wood that form a triangle on the roof of the house.. also a BEAUTIFUL garden in France.. like a dream Vienna seems.. only not to be of use? impossible Vienna is a very old city, yet it is still beautiful.. perhaps the love had a classic quality to it.. the same applies for this line as the "by the Seine.." one.. in the last extremety almost to the end of the road, last desperate effort to recreate what was lost.. to advance or not to advance I hear you laughing the narrator has to make a choice.. The other half only has to sit there and is laughing because it's not up to them OR laughter echoes in the "Ok Place" like a memory of better times even still you're calling me even though the other half knows exactly what's going on, he/she still makes no effort to help and says.... not tonight, not tonight, not tonight Josephine I hope you enjoyed it and please try to keep your negative comments to a minimum, as they make me kind of upset... If you've gotten this far you're wonderful for letting me get that out Love, Amy __________________________________*__________________________________ GiVe Me LiFe, GiVe Me PaiN, GiVe Me MySeLF aGaiN __________________________________*__________________________________ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #290 *************************************