From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #186 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, June 23 1999 Volume 04 : Number 186 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: a jumble of info [Krisis ] Re: Never Seen Blue/For Mark Connection..... and Jimi Hendrix [Mikewhy ] tori in rs [Beulahsd@aol.com] Re: Tori covering [carmen riojas ] Re: a jumble of info ["Daisy Dead Petals" ] anastasia [Lauren DePhillips ] Re: Could On My Tongue ["Daisy Dead Petals" ] Re: New Tori Box set [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: New Tori Box set ["Kristy" ] re:Russians dying on the ice... [Mystyglass@webtv.net (C.J. G.)] Ultrarare tori [JewlyaINAP@aol.com] Re: Tori Fanclub? [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: tripping [skh1@mindspring.com] Re: why the turn off at pele? [XXXPandora@aol.com] Cloud on My Tongue, UTP and tripping :) [XXXPandora@aol.com] Re: why the turn off at pele? [KAPS72@aol.com] survey (favorite album etc...) [XXXPandora@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:14:46 -0500 From: Krisis Subject: Re: a jumble of info > Subject: Re: a jumble of info > > > Has anyone here heard tori's version of if 6 was 9. Personally I though it > > was pretty horrible (like when pianos try to be guitars???). Does anyone > > know what they did to the piano (I am tempted here to say poor piano) to get > > this kind of sound. Just wondering. > > Thanks everyone (for bearing with me) > I seem to remember that Tori ran all the piano microphones through a single amplifier (as she does on much of BfP), and distorted it a-la-Hendrix there. I could be wrong though. - -krisis http://fly.to/AMkitchen/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:38:35 -0400 From: Mikewhy Subject: Re: Never Seen Blue/For Mark Connection..... and Jimi Hendrix Richard Handal said: >BTW, The Dent says MRL was Feb. 5. Sorry, Michael. Can't be. It was a >Sunday night, the same as MRL *always* has been every time I've heard >it. Thanks for the correction Richard. I will certainly change that on the Dent. That program actually aired roughly 7 weeks before the Dent first went online, which was on March 25, 1996. I think I simply went back later and entered all the TV/Radio appearances for earlier that year and I used various email messages to help me, and some of them were not accurate. Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://members.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "I won't say GoodBye... only see you in the DreamTime. All of us, you, me will have adventures to share alchemy little SHAMEN in training we are never that far From Each other...interdimensional travel Until we meet again Hugs (it's a Bugs life)" Tori's End of Tour Message To The Dent - Nov 30, 1998 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:33:07 GMT From: Tha Shaigirl Subject: Articles... I'm sure somebody has already mentioned this, but I've yet to see it. Then again, I do get the digest version, so who know!!! Anyways, forgive if this is repetive, but there's a small article in RS (Issue 816/817 - the one with the naked Nicole Kidman on the cover) about our Tori & Alanis tour. (p117) "There are two things that Tori Amos never leaves home without when she hits the road: good food and better wine. "There's a chef here [near her home in England] that makes a killer Greek meal," says Amos. "I'm bringing him on the road. Alanis put me in charge of food and wine. I'm hoping she handles hair, because I'm not known for having any knowledge on that end." Amd the vino? "I have some good Tuscan 1990s that I've been saving; some great '96 whites from France; I'll do a bit of California," she says. "But we never drink before the show - only and ALWAYS after." For the twenty-six-date arena and amphitheater tour, each chanteuse will play a seventy-five minute set, preceded by an opening band plucked from the MP3.com web site. "We want to give some of these bands a chance," say Amos. "They need to have a shot." Each show will be broadcast live on the tour's web site, with attendees able to write on-the-spot reviews at computers set up at the venue. Amos is currently mixing her new, as-yet-untilted album, which will be accompanied by an extra disc of live material from her 1998 US tour. But don't expect to hear a ton of fresh material. "I'm not going to bore anybody," she says. "The record won't be out until the tour is over, but I always put new stuff in, and the set changes every night. The light guy rolls his eyes at me, but at least he can't do as much crack!" Also... here's something from Info Beat - Music: Alanis still touring strong (maverickrc.com) - Alanis Morissette's tour through Canada will wrap up at the end of this month but don't expect her to take too much time off. Morissette will be back at it again in August with fellow singer/songwriter Tori Amos. The two have joined forces for the "5-1/2 Weeks Tour" which will take the two Sirens from Ft. Lauderdale to Los Angeles in, fittingly, 5-1/2 weeks. For the remainder of Morissette's Canadian tour dates and info on the "5-1/2 Weeks Tour," click here. Hope somebody enjoyed this info! ~Shai _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:23:00 EDT From: Beulahsd@aol.com Subject: tori in rs just so everyone knows, tori is in the rolling stone mag. w/ nicole kidman on the cover. pg117. :) peace and tori love, sarah ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:19:29 PDT From: carmen riojas Subject: Re: Tori covering i would just cream if she played "the wall" >From: VenusFruit@aol.com >Reply-To: VenusFruit@aol.com >To: precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: Tori covering >Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:37:40 EDT > > >Hi, >I had a thought and I was wondering if anyone thought the same. I would >love >for Tori to cover a Pink Floyd song - like Mother or Wish You Were Here - >I'd >just like to hear Tori's beautiful voice singing those songs and the piano >composition she would get out of them. My absolute favorites are A Case of >You and Famous Blue Raincoat - also, the way Tori does Smells Like Teen >Spirit is incredible. > >Just a few thoughts! > >-mandy _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:37:50 -0500 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: Re: a jumble of info > > > Has anyone here heard tori's version of if 6 was 9. Personally I though it > > was pretty horrible (like when pianos try to be guitars???). Does anyone > > know what they did to the piano (I am tempted here to say poor piano) to get > > this kind of sound. Just wondering. I think its a guitar, actually. The piano comes in at the end, all tinny sounding. I LOVE the remake. It sounds so friggin' EVIL! Daisy Melanie daislen@wctc.net "Women must understand that simply attacking or hating all men is just another form of disempowerment. A woman has to realize that when she makes a man crawl it doesn't give her power. All it will do is make her puke eventually. Rather than say "all men are bastards" let's say "all men are infants, until they decide to be men." Calling them bastards is boring at this stage." - -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:05:41 PDT From: Lauren DePhillips Subject: anastasia The name anastasia itself signifies reanimation or resurection (it means literally to stand again--ana-again and stasis-to stand). The popular myth was that jewels sewn into the bodices of the princesses help to deflect the bullets and allowed anastasia to (miraculously) survive. I read an article not to long ago that mentioned anastasia and focused on miraculous survival or resurection myths throughout history. Most of the myth center on a royal or revered figures (usually a king) that will some day return years after his supposed death to fix everything that has gone wrong while he was away and restore peace and happiness to his people. The myth is evident in religion and in history (from myths about king author to some modern beliefs that elvis lives...) lauren15@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/7657 evening stretched her cloak ********************** King Solomons Mine's Exit 75 I'm still alive I'm still alive *********************** _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:02:09 -0500 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: Re: Could On My Tongue Um, I thought it was about a torrid love afair with that black man in the tropics that she talks about sometimes. Maybe your interp is more on the money, but just food for thought, ok? This is kinda graphic so if you are easily offended, hit delete, ok? Cloud On My Tounge--um, semen? >Someones knockin on my kitchen door - --well, the kitchen in the old blues songs sometimes ment crotch, so thats where my whole idea started from. >Leave your wood outside what - --in other words, bring that "wood" in > (leave me with your > borneo... Pubic hair? Afro hairdo? > i'll be wearing your tattoo.... the tattoo of a drum is the rythym--you know, the rythym of sex > don't stop now what you're doin my > ugly one... Penis? >you're already in circles and circles again...)... Um, well, I could get graphic here, but, you know. I also thought it could mean the ying and yang of the whole sexual act. Espeically if he was black and she white or what ever. >it won't be fair, if i hate her, if i ate her refers to another woman in both their lives that Tori (or the character in the song) might be jealous of and both may be having sexual thoughts about >(all the girls > here are freezing cold)... It is never winter in the tropics, as it is in most of the US. I see your ideas as a good interp. Probably better. I just probrbly have sex on the brain...;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:43:03 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: New Tori Box set At 02:58 AM 6/22/99 +0000, Ears with Feet wrote: > > I remember reading in a web site a few months ago that Atlantic was >planing to release a box set in December. I am not sure if this info is true >or not so if anyone out there has any information on this, please share it >with us. Thanks. It's no longer going to be a box set. It's going to be a two-CD set: one CD with live material from her 1998 tour, and one CD with all-new material. It is now set for a fall release date, possibly 28 September. For all the info you need on Tori releases, check out The Dent at . HTH. :) /nad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:50:42 -0400 From: "Kristy" Subject: Re: New Tori Box set I'm sure you're thinking of the double-live CD. It'll probably be released on/around September 28. One CD is live from Plugged 98, the other is all new material, which I'm sure we'll hear for the first time on the 5 1/2 Weeks Tour. It was initially rumoured to be a 4-CD box set if memory serves me correctly! :-) Love and Sparkles, Kristy (\o/) > I remember reading in a web site a few months ago that Atlantic was >planing to release a box set in December. I am not sure if this info is true >or not so if anyone out there has any information on this, please share it >with us. Thanks. > > > AJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:51:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Mystyglass@webtv.net (C.J. G.) Subject: re:Russians dying on the ice... This line has always caught my curiousity, and when you guys mentioned those Russian skaters who died during practice a few years back, a thought occurred to me..(even though I know this may have happened after BFP was released) When I think of Talula I think of someone who's going through sacrifices.."it must be worth losing if it is worth something"...so perhaps it's like she's saying that in their strive for perfection they're giving their lives for the honor of their country...in other words, quite simply working themselves to death just to reach their ultimate goals. Just a thought... Cynthia http://www.angelfire.com/il/glassasylum ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:22:37 EDT From: JewlyaINAP@aol.com Subject: Ultrarare tori I just thought I would let you know about this:) Sorry if you got it twice..or more:) Jewlya Tori Amos Import HEBREW Israel TShirt XLRare Hey Toriphiles and Ears With Feet! Here is an auction that will make your millennium! This Hebrew Language Israeli Import T-shirt is completely awesome! It is a size extra large, and white. As shown in the picture it shows a redish/purple haired Tori with beautiful BLUE eyes in a picture/drawing. Her lips seem to be a mix of black and the redish/purple color;). Although the scan cuts off the Hebrew it says 'Tori Amos' in Hebrew letters at the bottom. The back says "Cornflake Girl" in English and Hebrew, and "NEVER WAS A CORNFLAKE GIRL THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD SOLUTION HANGING WITH THE RAISIN GIRLS........" as well as her name in Hebrew and English. This T-shirt has never been washed or worn except as u will hear below, although there are tiny holes as if someone hung this by stapling it. I tried it on for a literal minute in order to determine if the holes were see through and they are not. U can see a set of them under the N in CORNFLAKE on the back pic. I won't lie, there are about 6 small sets of these on each side, but are truly tiny. They do not interfere with the art work or beauty in the shirt, and the shirt is still totally wearable, or collectible! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=121508017 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 19:46:13 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Tori Fanclub? At 11:23 PM 6/21/99 -0400, Surreal00@aol.com wrote: > >This is probably a stupid question but does anyone know if there is a Tori >fanclub I can join? I need like info on how much it costs and where I can >call or email or whatever. Thanks to anyone who decides to help me! There are two official fanclub: one in the US, one in Europe. The US one is called "Really Deep Thoughts" {and they have nothing to do with the emailing list of the same name}. A 4-issue subscription costs just under $20, IIRC. Be aware that, while RDT is very good about keeping us updated online about what's going on, they've been -extremely- slow in putting out issues. However, they do occasionally get goodies {such as the UtP tour necklaces} that are only available to fanclub members. So your $20 might not get you any issues before the end of time, but it does put you in the running for some other goodies. The UK one is called "Take to the Sky". I don't recall the cost of subscription for it. They actually do put out fanzines. They're happy to ship to folks outside the UK. Information on how to subscribe to the fanzines is available in the Tori Resources FAQ, which you can get by emailing and asking nicely. It has the addresses, cost info, etc, that you'll need. HTH. :) /nad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:16:04 -0400 From: skh1@mindspring.com Subject: Re: tripping Kim wrote: > >she says that most of UtP was composed while she was tripping... it was meant > >to be a very obtuse and surrealistic work... > > I don't ever remember hearing or reading that. Anyone got some proof? tori doesn't do recreational drugs... not in the street sense. but she has said a few times that she does things like peyote or shrooms... she also has mentioned doing them inconjunction with shamanic journeys (in the sessions taping earlier this year, yes?) ... i practice core shamanism, and while i don't use natural hallucinogens in my journeys, it is quite accepted to do so. joanne's reply cites the quotes that i referred to in my original post, regarding the UtP era (good job joanne). dream well ~~kelley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:15:18 EDT From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: why the turn off at pele? In a message dated 6/22/1999 7:43:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dbailey@ro.com writes: << I'll tell you why: because BFP is _head candy_. It's sophisticated, intellectual, and heart-wrenching in a way none of her previous albums were. The LE was heart-candy, which is easier to relate than head candy. UTP was a stab in the direction of Pop, which also made it more accessible. BFP, on the other hand, with its complex piano arrangements, was too much for most people to handle. It was real _meat_ when most of her fans preferred Pepsi. As you might have guessed, I'm a little down on folk who are down on BFP. >> ok ... its taken me a while to add my opinion to this thread and I apologize for that -- I just wanted to read a few more people's opinions first. And the one that is above (although quite common unfortunately) is what I don't understand. First of all UTP is pop????? WHAT? Under the Pink is as far from pop as Tori has ever been - it is the most introspective, complex, metaphorical and surreal album she has ever made. And as for UTP being more accessible, I have found it to be the least accessible (not for me but for the general public) with the exception of Cornflake Girl. here's Tori to back me up: "Sometimes it [UtP] is a little more lyrically detached. They [the listeners] can really crawl into the painting. I wanted Under the Pink to be more abstract, for many reasons. I was really into certain poets at the time, like e.e. cummings, and painters like Dali. I had this whole thing going where I liked codes and going with your senses. It was a bit of a maze, and you as a listener had to work to find out where we were going. Little Earthquakes was a bit more voyeuristic. You could sit back and watch this girl go through this stuff. You can't on Under the Pink; you have to go through it to understand it" and "[Under the Pink is] definitely an abstract piece of work. It was a conscious choice not to write another diary like Little Earthquakes. I'd revealed so much I truly believed anything I revealed in that manner so soon after Little Earthquakes wouldn't be enough, and I couldn't put myself under the microscope again so soon. It's like when you're falling in love for the first time- the newness, the getting to know each other- even if they eat onions everything is O.K. I mean, peeing is romantic. The surprise is the romance, the vulnerability. Little Earthquakes was the romance phase between me and the listeners. I knew I had to change direction because it was like, 'Yeah, we've already seen you naked; now what do you have? Skinless?' So with Under the Pink, I put some clothes on." - Tori in her biography All These Years ok now ... Why is it that you cannot allow others to have their own opinions? The people who love Tori have a wide array of musical interests that are not shared ... there are people on this list who like the Backstreet Boys, Korn, Limp Bizcuit, Ani Difanco, the Counting Crows, Aerosmith ... all of them I don't like and then there are people who like the Cure, Portishead, the Cocteau Twins and stuff like that... obviously we do not all share the same taste in music, we just share something we feel in Tori's music and why is it your place to say that someone who doesn't really like BFP is any less intelligent or any less anything than you are?? Now, UTP is my favorite of Tori's albums and BFP is my least favorite ... but you know what?? I still love it and I still cried my eyes out the first time I heard it because it was so beautiful. They are all my favorites - the only way I can really distinguish is by telling you which songs I usually skip over on each CD and I think that there are the most on BFP and FTCgH and none on LE and a few (cornflake girl and the waitress, sometimes icicle and god) on UTP, but the amount of love I have for the other songs makes up for them on UTP. >From all of the responses I think I have seen a trend in that if you heard BFP first then you like it the best and that alot of people who have been into Tori since LE or UTP tend to not like it as much ... maybe I'm wrong. But I think it's time for a survey (I'll send it later) That will be fun, won't it? And I'll keep track of the results and then I'll post them after a few weeks or so :) kisses, joanne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:52:28 EDT From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Cloud on My Tongue, UTP and tripping :) skh1@mindspring.com writes: << she says that most of UtP was composed while she was tripping... it was meant to be a very obtuse and surrealistic work... >> montana07@geocities.com wrote: <> yes ... she didn't say it in so many words but I believe that she did compose much of this album while tripping. She has said countless times that during this time period she spent alot of time with Indians, taking peyote and other hallucinogens and I'm sure that at some point while she was tripping she wrote a song or two or twelve :) You see while you are tripping you become highly creative and prolific because you are able to see clear things that you usually don't (things like your imagination, feelings, thoughts) while other thoughts that are normally clear become hazy and fade away to some degree (the phone bill, hunger, tiredness) and this allows for an extremely intensive anf fruitful creative energy. I once wrote 30 poems in one night when I usually write about 1 or 2 a month. And the real proof for me was when I listened to UTP while I was tripping, my best friend and I spent a good 5-6 hours just listening over and over again ... if you are willing to try it you will see what I mean. You will come out of it a different person, a better person ... with lessons that Tori has taught you about life, love, forgiveness, closeness and relationships ... you will see, hear and feel things through UTP that you cannot even imagine. That night was definetly magical :) >> So I was > wondering if the song is about doing drugs b/c you know you put acid on your > tongue (got a cloud sleeping on my tongue).<< wow, I thought my friend and I were the only people in the world who thought that :) cool. I'm sure the whole song isn't about acid, but maybe she got the line from it ... who knows here are a few quotes that I found around the net regarding Cloud on My Tongue... "I crawled up in a flower when this one was being written. It was safe there, and I wasn't ready to let this one in too deep. It was already too close." "There's a wonderful acceptance in Cloud On My Tongue, an acceptance of being in circles and circles again. That's its whirlpool vat. It all leads to that." "Cloud on My Tongue, dealing with Eve... dealing with feeling inferior, that somebody else has something that you want." "I travel a lot around the world, and I went to all sorts of places, and I ran into different people. Borneo had something that I didn't have. It was a very free. hot, jungly place, and the people that, or a person that came from there, had something that I didn't have that I desperately wanted, which was no rigidity. When i say, 'Leave the wood outside, what, all the girls here are freezing cold, leave me with your Borneo.' Or don't leave me with your Borneo, because I've had it before, and that's why I need the wood, because it just - you can go now, you're already in there, whether it's pregnant or whether it's just infused. You don't even have to hang around and watch me disintegrate, because you've already done your job. You've already accomplished what you wanted, which was another scalp on your belt, and you did it. That's not one of my favorite men songs." "My only problem was, I said 'You can go now' after he was already in there. I mean, it had done - it was already planted, so whatever it was, that's where I think Cloud balances out Baker Baker a bit, because it's the Shadow side. She's not ignorant. She knows exactly what's happening." "In Cloud on My Tongue, I put all my power in this other person. I think that they have something that I don't have. Well, of course we all have things the other person doesn't have as far as abilities. But we ALL have emotion that's capable of being complete for each one of us. But you can't be complete for me. We know this in the head, but to really apply it is another thing. Because when you feel inferior, you feel inferior. Sometimes I feel inferior to men who have this raw wolf energy. I just got to this recently. It doesn't mean that I still don't, like, snake around and leak all over the place when I'm around one of them. I kinda go "Oh, God, here it is again. What am I gonna do?" What's happening is that I cut that part out of myself a LONG time ago. Because I judged it to be bad, and I was afraid of it. I was afraid I wouldn't be respected if I got in touch with that. I'm not talking strictly about sex. That's like a form of generating that energy, but just because you're having sex doesn't mean you're generating that energy. Do you see what I mean? But there are other ways of trying to get to it. Like music. Creativity tries to get you to that expression. That kundalini energy. I do it when I'm playing but I've really had a hard time bringing it into my life. I sit there sometimes like all the knobs have all been turned off. And I'll see something with the knob turned on and I go "How did they do that?" kisses, joanne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:46:23 EDT From: KAPS72@aol.com Subject: Re: why the turn off at pele? Good comparisons!!!! Head candy, heart candy, etc. I agree. You need to be ready for it in order to accept and love it. - - Kim "...and all of those up there are making it look so easy with their perfect wings a wing can cover all sorts of things...." - - Sister Janet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:23:50 EDT From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: survey (favorite album etc...) here's a little survey for you guys ... I hope you enjoy it and I think the results will be quite interesting :) What is your favorite Tori album? How old are you? Are you a boy or a girl? :) When did you first discover Tori?- please specify approximate year and song or album. List five of your favorite bands, artists other than Tori. have fun ... I'll send my answers too ... in a little bit after this is posted to pt. kisses, joanne ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #186 *************************************