From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #177 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, June 16 1999 Volume 04 : Number 177 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Tori's Young Fans [Blood4Rose@aol.com] tori=dr. evil? hahaha!!! [Superpulp@aol.com] Re: Tori's Young Fans ["Lori A Near" ] Re: Tori's Young Fans [DliriumEnd@aol.com] Re: Who's opening for Tori & Alanis? [XXXPandora@aol.com] Irvine Show [Ariellexx@aol.com] Re: Tori's Young Fans [LadyKestie@aol.com] Re: Tori's Young Fans [GonaTwinkl@aol.com] MY TICKET TO TORI [RedSpark18@aol.com] Tori MP3's can be found at ... [Wilson Picket ] Re: Tori's Young Fans [carmen riojas ] Re: Who's opening for Tori & Alanis? READ [ToriPhileX@aol.com] Re: dye your own easter eggs! (its a joke) [Kristen M F ] Re: Tori's Young Fans ["E.L Walker" ] Re: love her madly..... [Mikewhy ] Blood Roses Import [VenusFruit@aol.com] Re: dye your own easter eggs! (its a joke) (or Re: Lord of the Flies) [Da] Re: Tori's Young Fans [JupiterCMS@aol.com] Courtney, Tori, Trent (lots of info) [Cindy2Love@aol.com] time is running out [violet@torithoughts.org] Re: Tori's Young Fans [PeaCeGrLy2@aol.com] Tori Amos poll ["Aimee" ] Re: precious-things-digest V4 #176 [Surreal00@aol.com] Tori's Young Fans (reply) [Vice ] Re: Tori's Young Fans [Daisy Dead Petals ] Jaymes Warnock, was: Sugar [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: Tori's Young Fans [Wintdve98@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:28:07 EDT From: Blood4Rose@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori's Young Fans In a message dated m/15/99 8:22:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, VenusFruit@aol.com writes: << I want to know, since > majority of today teenagers listen to Hip-Hop, how many Tori Amos fans > (on this list) are nineteen and under and how many Tori Amos fans (any > age) are the only Tori fan in there group of friends. >> I'm 19 years old and have adored Tori since I was around twelve. I have about three friends who I would say are into her as much as I. Faerie love. Jody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:46:46 EDT From: Superpulp@aol.com Subject: tori=dr. evil? hahaha!!! oh yeah! i noticed that too! i'm so silly, when i saw that it was a bosendorfer i was like "whoa, tori!" and then i realized that tori was NOT going to appear in austin powers and that it was dr. evil who was playing. d'oh! anyway, i just realized that i hadn't posted in a while, so there. catch ya later! love and ice cream, kristen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:36:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Lori A Near" Subject: Re: Tori's Young Fans > > Hi, > I just wanted to say that I'm 19 - a tori fan for about 5 years now. I've > never met anyone who likes tori amos... but, this weekend, at a party, I was > talking to some woman - 27 years old, who used to like tori amos (only the > first two albums). I never understood this, since I love every single one of > Tori's albums - although, alot of people seem to be disappointed in BFP & > FtCGH. I am 25, and I have been a Tori fan since the landing of Little Earthquakes. I tend to be much more partial to the first two albums myself, and I hav enoticed that amongst my friends who have been Toriphiles for as long as I have that we all tend to be more partial to the earlier stuff. This doesn't mean that the older stuff isn't good or isn't AS good. It most certainly is. I just know that LE and UtP really really were the journals of my life back in the early 1990s. I would guess that this is true for my friends as well as me. > > Sadly, the people who I'm friends with don't really care for Tori much at all > - some even hate her. For a long time I was under the impression that Tori > had few fans! You know, I had this impression as well. Unless you were a close frien dof mine, most people I worked with or went to school with didn't like Tori at all. I gave up explaining to them why I loved her so much, and went on my merry way. Since I didn't get onto the internet and into the whole tori online community until just a few years ago, I didn't even know about meet and greets and stuff like that until Plugged 98, and when I did, suddently a new community of Toriphiles have come into my life :) It's not quite the same... I do remember the solemn beauty of the 1994 Pink tour and the amazing audience (I remember watching so many people bawl that night). But things have to change. I'm just glad that Tori is still growing and evolving. I like seeing the eager young people in the audiences. It's refreshing to know that in this world of pop music and trashy images, there is Tori still there to give these girls and boys a look into another way of being :) ~~Loria > > -Mandy > - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lori Ann Near nearlori@pilot.msu.edu ...thoughts... a web site inspired by and cataloguing Tori Amos http://www.msu.edu/~nearlori/toriamos.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:25:20 EDT From: DliriumEnd@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori's Young Fans Hello, I'm 15 (I'm turning 16 in a month yay!) I was introduced to Tori at the tender age of 13. Sadly I have NO friends that like Tori =( My boyfriend thinks she's ok, unfortunately he's an Alanis freak. And the rest of my friends have never heard of Tori until I stepped in making me the weirdo. >=) ~~Elisa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:04:13 EDT From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: Who's opening for Tori & Alanis? In a message dated 6/15/1999 11:22:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GonaTwinkl@AOL.COM writes: << HOPEFULLY they will get equal playing time, but if tori doesn't have at LEAST an h our set...I will be extremely upset...is there anywhere to find this info out? >> They will have equal stage time at every show! They are CO-HEADLINING, regardless of what any radio station or whatever says. Go alanisandtori.mp3.com and you can see it officially there. kisses, joanne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:26:21 EDT From: Ariellexx@aol.com Subject: Irvine Show I just wanted to write and say thank you to all of those who replied to me regarding my question on how many were going to be at the Irvine show.I am sorry this has taken me time to get back and that I haven't written back to you all personally.I just wanted to say I appreciate it and you all are so kind.I am so happy that I decided to join this mailing list. See you all at the show =) Many Smiles, Rebecca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 06:15:10 EDT From: LadyKestie@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori's Young Fans I'm only 15 and I've adored Tori since 6th grade. I saw the Caught A Light Sneeze Video and I died, and was reborn ... right there. It was just amazing. After that I went out and bought any CD of hers I could get my hands on and I am now a definite Toriphile. :) Of course, I dont really have friends who are . . . :( I do have friends who 'like' her music, a lot of new fans since the FTCH CD . . . ~~shawna <..dancing girl..> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:57:15 EDT From: GonaTwinkl@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori's Young Fans heyall, woohoo! another poll, kinda ;) I'm 18, and have been a fan since I was 16. I didn't really get into her until last summer, when I started finding and purchasing all the singles I could get my hands on, but I've always been drawn to her work. Other fans of hers my age, that I know, are kinda different tho. they're not as hardcore as I am, but they are. it's just like a different hardcore, where they constantly proclaim they;re love. which I am all down with...I dunno, it's weird. hrmmm... ~* jo§h ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:03:36 EDT From: RedSpark18@aol.com Subject: MY TICKET TO TORI I was just wondering. A while back, (like in May) I purchased tickets to the Tori/Alanis tour at http://www.ticketmaster.com... It's June 16, 1999, and I haven't recieved my tickets in the mail yet. I know that I entered everything right my address, credit card #, everything because I printed out the confirmation receipt that had all the info on it with how much i spent, where the tickets are, etc. SHOULD I WORRY?! Or call ticketmaster?! I'm getting really concerned!!! I can't miss out on TORi... If anyone has info please email me privately. RED "...my doctor said you just took it to the limit and here I stand with this sword in my hand..." http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/vine/9831/index3.html Stringbean Love http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/vine/9831/trades.html Stringbean Trades ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:34:07 PDT From: Wilson Picket Subject: Tori MP3's can be found at ... Tori MP3's can be found at http://www.dubiz.com/mp3/ ...it's funny when she forgets the words on live 107.7 radio on "Crucify"... _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:47:22 PDT From: carmen riojas Subject: Re: Tori's Young Fans im 18, and there were quite a few EFW in my high school, but then again my high school wasn't typical. i've had my neighbor/best friend listen to her and ahe likes tori but is deeply ingrained with pop, she's thirteen though so there's still hope. >From: VenusFruit@aol.com >Reply-To: VenusFruit@aol.com >To: precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Tori's Young Fans >Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:52:57 EDT > > >In a message dated 6/15/99 5:28:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >demby@pilot.infi.net writes: > > > I want to know, since > > majority of today teenagers listen to Hip-Hop, how many Tori Amos fans > > (on this list) are nineteen and under and how many Tori Amos fans (any > > age) are the only Tori fan in there group of friends. > >Hi, >I just wanted to say that I'm 19 - a tori fan for about 5 years now. I've >never met anyone who likes tori amos... but, this weekend, at a party, I >was >talking to some woman - 27 years old, who used to like tori amos (only the >first two albums). I never understood this, since I love every single one >of >Tori's albums - although, alot of people seem to be disappointed in BFP & >FtCGH. > >Sadly, the people who I'm friends with don't really care for Tori much at >all >- some even hate her. For a long time I was under the impression that Tori >had few fans! > >-Mandy _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:08:26 EDT From: ToriPhileX@aol.com Subject: Re: Who's opening for Tori & Alanis? READ The new issue of Rolling Stone w/ Nicole Kidman on the front cover states that Alanis and Tori will each be playing 75-minute sets. For those of you who are not looking forward to seeing Alanis, my response, is to just giver her a chance! When I see Tori and Alanis in September, it will be my 4th time seeing Alanis, and she puts on a good show. Of course, my favorite is Tori <> but give Alanis a chance. I mean, if Tori did, you should too! Just my 2cents, so I'll shut up now :o) Peace, Love, and Tori, Reece ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:52:32 EDT From: Kristen M F Subject: Re: dye your own easter eggs! (its a joke) I'm not flaming you here Josh, so I hope you don't take offense, the Lord of the Files makes alot of sense, I especially like the Wall Street Pun idea, but I am pretty sure it's Lord of the Flies. Here's why. In the New Jersey Star Ledger, Tori said this which I thought was pretty interesting: "I use a lot of symbology, so if you dive into the symbol world, you'll have a better idea of what's going on. You have to go into the myth of Persephone to really understand what I'm talking about: You have to know that the Lord of the Flies is another word for Hades, and that Hades captured Persephone. It's the rape of Persephone; that is her myth. And she became queen of the underworld and couldn't leave for half the year... But did she choose to stay by eating the pomegranate seed? Did she know the rules or did he trick her?" However maybe Tori meant it two ways like how in Hey Jupiter she sings a different line than what's written in the booklet. She wanted both lines involved or something. Maybe the Lord of the Flies/Files thing is the same way. ~~Kristen ps. by the way, I just loved that Possesing the Secret of Joy quote that was posted. I'm using it for this journal project I have to do for English. <> ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:23:01 EDT From: Talulagrl1@aol.com Subject: lou reed and tori. ok im sorry to bother the lists with this but i am looking for the sheet music for Perfect Day by Lou Reed and i am also looking for tori's cover of live to tell thanks rachel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 08:36:32 EDT From: "C.F." Subject: Re: love her madly..... I think actually that I remember reading somewhere that Tori said that she didn't want to get involved with Lilith cuz she's not into that feminism thing....she said something to the effect of, "I don't see how it's going to help the relationship between men and women to separate us." It's been a while since I heard that and I can't remember the source.....Hope that sparks someone else's memory! Cheerios! Carly >I think I remember reading somewhere once that Tori would never >even consider touring with Lilith (and she really never will, >since it's the last year) because it just didn't "rock." Or >something to that effect. And to a point, I have to agree with >her. I'm not sure Lilith is a good venue for her. She's not >really one of those sit up there and strum your guitar types, >and I think I've heard that she and Sarah M. never got along >well, Sarah resented the comparisons made between them I think >(although I could be completely off with this one, so don't yell >at me, please!) But I completely agree with you about Alanis and >all, I just really can't get into her music. I believe the >quote you're referring to is when Tori once said she couldn't >listen to Jagged Little Pill because it would hurt a dog's ears, >or something like that. Heh heh, gonna have to agree with her >there. >In dreams, >Erin > > >=== >look i'm standing naked before you >don't you want more than my sex >i can scream as loud as your last one >but i can't claim innocence > ta > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:02:14 +0100 From: "E.L Walker" Subject: Re: Tori's Young Fans I'm ancient now, but I was originally introduced to Tori at the tender age of 16, around the time of "Iccle Earthquakes", most of my friends liked her, and I was quite suprised as to how many of my classmates knew about, and liked her too. Squidgy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:55:58 -0400 From: Mikewhy Subject: Re: love her madly..... Erin said: >I think I've heard that she and Sarah M. never got along >well, Sarah resented the comparisons made between them I think >(although I could be completely off with this one, so don't yell >at me, please!) There is no evidence whatsoever that Tori and Sarah do not get along. >But I completely agree with you about Alanis and >all, I just really can't get into her music. I believe the >quote you're referring to is when Tori once said she couldn't >listen to Jagged Little Pill because it would hurt a dog's ears, >or something like that. Heh heh, gonna have to agree with her >there. Tori said a lot of other things that were favorable about Alanis. You can read ALL the Tori quotes about Alanis and Alanis quotes about Tori on the Dent at: http://members.aye.net/~mikewhy/torialanis.html It seems obvious to me that despite the dog ears comment she likes Alanis and is looking forward to the tour. As for Lilith Fair, I think it deserves credit. Yes, it is exclusionary, but women were routinely excluded from earlier summer festivals and Lilith was important in helping women gain respect and power in respect to the concert scene. Promoters are not as likely to complain now about having 2 women on the same bill. I think it would be sad to overlook that. Were the people who are calling Lilith Exclusionary whining and complaining during previous summer festivals that were almost exlcusively male? If you were then wonderful! I admire your consistancy and desire for true equality. If not, then shame on you! ;) I agree that Lilith is not the place for Tori, but I still admire Sarah for what she did with the festival. (I also agree that it is time for it to end...) Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://members.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "I won't say GoodBye... only see you in the DreamTime. All of us, you, me will have adventures to share alchemy little SHAMEN in training we are never that far From Each other...interdimensional travel Until we meet again Hugs (it's a Bugs life)" Tori's End of Tour Message To The Dent - Nov 30, 1998 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:04:42 EDT From: VenusFruit@aol.com Subject: Blood Roses Import Hi, I was wondering if anyone had the Blood Roses import from Italy. I just bought a copy (sealed) and it's a cdr (it looks like it could be a silver cd but if you look very closely it has a slight tint of green so i know it's not). I keep seeing on ebay that people are selling their Blood Roses CD - and saying that it's an original/not a cdr. Are these people mistaken because the cdr looks very original? Or are there really silver copies out there. - -Amanda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:21:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Daisy Dead Petals Subject: Re: dye your own easter eggs! (its a joke) (or Re: Lord of the Flies) Josh, I remember this string the last time it came up, the whole Flies vs. Files thing, and I completely get your point, it's a good one. I had never thought of it in terms of banks etc. before. I, however, have always been more fond of Flies, personally, because I love that book. And it makes a bit more sense to me in context of that line of the song. "The Lord of the Flies was diagnosed as sound" directly relates to the book and Piggy was it?? hearing the voice and seeing the Lord of the Flies. Hey, Piggy, maybe that has something to do with the whole Piggy vs. Peggy debate currently raging...just somethings to think about. In dreams, Erin === look i'm standing naked before you don't you want more than my sex i can scream as loud as your last one but i can't claim innocence ta _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:46:08 EDT From: JupiterCMS@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori's Young Fans << In a message dated 6/15/1999 5:28:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, demby@pilot.infi.net writes: << how many Tori Amos fans (on this list) are nineteen and under and how many Tori Amos fans (any age) are the only Tori fan in there group of friends >> >> I am 18, and I have one friend who is 18 that likes Tori, owns LE and maybe BfP, and Choirgirl, but isnt obsessed like me (in a good way of course), my boyfriend who is 19 is like "Tori is kewl, I like her videos", he is going to the concert w/ me, but he owns no Tori CD's, and my other friend who is 19 (my boyfriend's roomate) and he is like "I like Tori", and he owns BfP. But that is about it. Peace out~ cat :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:07:51 EDT From: Cindy2Love@aol.com Subject: Courtney, Tori, Trent (lots of info) In a message dated 6/15/99 8:22:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ssvidar@super.net.uk writes: > > Sorry if this has been mentioned, or brought up before, but I was reading an > email regarding the "Tori - Trent" relationship,I can't remember who by, > with a quote from Trent saying that the problems between their relationship > were basically down to Courtney Love...I'm basically wondering if > "Professional Widow" was written as a backlash by Tori at Courtney for > buggering up the friendship, > > Squidgy (it's gotta be big) > > Hi! Anybody want to read a very old discussion from this list on Courtney Love? It's just the highlights. I copied and pasted it. Same time every year :-) I hope nobody minds seeing their letters again :) Subj: Re: Courtney Love Date: 7/18/98 7:29:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: kali_222@yahoo.com ('Litz) Sender: owner-precious-things@smoe.org Reply-to: kali_222@yahoo.com ('Litz) To: precious-things@smoe.org This is from an interview Tori did with Rolling Stone (Nov. 13, 1997): "Courtney Love would not exist without Chrissie Hynde. And she knows it; Courtney is a very smart woman. But Chrissie talked about hole before Hole." Doesn't sound like Tori dislikes her too much here. I guess feelings change. 'Litz Subj: leapard skin --> celebrity skin? Date: 9/21/98 8:46:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: isreals_son@hotmail.com (Homer Simpson) Sender: owner-precious-things@smoe.org Reply-to: isreals_son@hotmail.com (Homer Simpson) To: precious-things@smoe.org Just a random thought that I had. Early on when FtCGH was released people were speculating that "She's Your Cocaine" could possible be a comment on the relationship of Courtney Love and Kurt Cobain. Then seeing that Tori came on stage for the encore in a leopard skin outfit. If I remember right the song was cocaine. Then thinking about the new song entitled "Celebrity Skin" made me wonder if Tori was saying something or hinting to us that the song is indeed about Ms. Love. Just wanted to throw this thought out there. I make no claim that I actually know what I am talking about. For all that matters Tori might have just been Tori and wanted to wear it for fun. Josh Okay some very intelligent girly wrote this and I can't remember her name. I tend to support the Courtney theory of the meaning of Professional Widow because 1) don't blow those brains, yet/ we gotta be big, boy: Courtney saved Kurt how many times from suicide? before he got to be a star and worth more dead than alive, then she confronted him about his heroin addiction and wouldn't allow him to quit his band, despite his pleas to quit and then got mad, LEFT HIM ALONE while she ran off to CA for a record deal. Excuse me? Is it obvious she wanted him dead or what? 2) starfucker just like my daddy: Courtney fucked Kurt, he was a (rock) star. Also, Courtney hated her father, she grew up in a house where her mom and dad frequently did drugs and had wild sex with music and movie stars.3) selling his baby:Courtney has accused her father of selling her into prostitution and it's a fact he has sold her private life's story to at least 2 trashy papers (ie, The Enquirer) 4) slag pit (pit full of whores, slag means whore in England where Tori lives, Courtney could be called a whore if I used that word) stag shit (very powerful male symbol, to me anyway, like Kurt was to many) 5) honey bring it close to my lips: Courtney giving Kurt head (it was widely known, thanks to the media, that Courtney gave Kurt a blow job every morning upon his awakening) 6) it's gotta be big, we gotta be big, you gotta be big: Courtney loved sex (it's big= size of his cock) and money and power, which she leeched off of Kurt (we're big, your big=widely known, famous). 7)lord, give me peace, love and a hard cock...Courtney was a hippie and grew up in a hippie commune (peace, love) and again, liked sex (and a hard cock)8) rest your shoulders, peaches and cream...Courtney had very strong shoulders, and a peaches and cream complexion 9) beautiful angel: Courtney posed as an angel on the cover of Vanity Fair, and also did some more pictures inside with the article where she posed as an angel 10)gonna strike a deal, make him feel like a congress man: Courtney hired someone to kill Kurt while she was in CA and made that person feel very powerful, like a congress man 11) it runs in the family: her mother and father obviously were savvy people surrounded by celebrities...how many illegal deals do you think they made for sex, drugs and money? 12) Brown may be sweeter, she will supply: Courtney and Kurt loved to do heroin, 80-85% of heroin sold in the US is Mexican heroin, noted for it's brown color . It is widely known that Courtney sabatoged Kurt's attempts to quit and supplied him with heroin on more than one occasion. 13) Professional Widow, the title of the song, says it all, Courtney is, by definition, a professional widow. Nicole wrote this... I read an article not that long after Kurt's death that had to do with whether Coutney was responsible for Kurt's death. The article claimed that her father wrote a book that was an expose of Kurt and Coutney's relationship. In it he claimed that Coutney did kill Kurt, or at least drove him to it. Her father was completely trying to bank on her success, the way many feel she tried to bank on Kurt's death. So I feel that the "starfucker" in the song represents Coutney's father, "selling his baby" b/c he wanted some success of his own, his 15 min of fame if you will, and therefore is striking "a deal make him feel like a congressman." I am not really a Coutney Love fan but hearing all this made me feel sorry for her even though I do feel like she used Kurt, even in death. However, I do not feel that she killed him. So maybe Tori was attempting to deal with her bad feelings about Coutney. I think Tori can identify with her because she whored herself a little also (Y Kant Tori Read). And obviously Tori came out of it and gave us the wonderful gift of Little Earthquakes. Well, hope this helps---I'm curious to see what you guys and gals think.--Nicole Here's something I had that I added.. Trent Reznor (from Nine Inch Nails) said that Tori and him were developing a friendship but some malicious meddling on the part of Courtney Love ruined their growing friendship. Spin 1996 : "Other people put their fingers in the pie, and they kind of messed up a friendship. We're not that close now. Some malicious meddling on the part of Courtney Love. But I still feel the same feelings for Tori." Well when I think of the words "slag pit" I think of Courtney Love. Trent asked Courtney to open for six of his shows once. "The first three shows he didn't talk to her. 'In Cleveland she was completely intoxicated, a fucking mess.' He says that at one after show party she was passed out on a pool table with her dress hiked up, and people were taking photographs, as though it were all quite normal." Trent goes on to say that Courtney is fiercely competitive, and is obsessed with the media and how she is perceived. He called her a manipulator and a careerist. Basically she went around saying a lot of negative things about Trent (like saying he has a small penis and the band should be 3 inch nails instead of nine inch nails) and she said stuff that she would knew would hurt him and I think she said some not very nice things about his relationship with Tori and that's why their friendship got messed up. Here's an excerpt from Details Magazine 1995...... It is time to tell the legendary tale of Charles Manson, Tori Amos and a curiously uncooked chicken. Trent and Tori had become friends (he sang on her last album) and she would visit him at the Los Angeles house where the Downward Spiral was recorded. The house where Manson followers killed Sharon Tate. On one visit, Tori told a depressed Trent that she would whip up a hearty home cooked meal. The cursed chicken. After 6 hours in the Tate house oven, it was still bloody and raw. Tori's preferred excuse : "The spirits of the house wouldn't let in in." Eventually Trent left for another studio, where he ordered in. And the chicken? He shrugs. "I didn't ask. The ghost ate it." Tori Amos is also quoted as saying.... "Let's put it this way, Courtney Love and I have never spoken. We've never spoken about it and we've never spoken and I think it's best kept that way. We have mutual friends. I don't want to put them in a bad position." "I wrote it about my own experience. I got all that nastiness out. The truth is, if there's a part of you, of Polly [Jean Harvey], of Bjork, or of Courtney Love, which is the black widow, then you will relate to the song. If people don't feel that way, they won't resonate with it." >From an interview with Tori from Singapore, January 23, 1996. "I was going, 'Oh, I wanna see him crawl.' And letting that be there. Wearing a really cute fuzzy pink shoe. And having no limitation of exploring certain facets of the personality. And being shocked and horrified about Professional Widow, and then loving her - just loving the fact that she's convincing him to kill himself, guaranteeing that Mother Mary will supply. And I said, you really can't get any lower than that. I love the fact that she said, 'This is how far I've gone - this is where I am at this moment. Are you willing to see that part of yourself? The part that wants his energy, that wants his fame, that wants his light - not recognizing your own.' It gets to the point where you don't even have to push him over the edge - you're just reading him poetry, and that's enough to make him want to kill himself." - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you realize you're seen as good copy by journalists? "Courtney Love gives good copy." Seeing as you um, mentioned Courtney Love, there's talk that you wrote Professional Widow about her. Is that true? "There's a lot of talk about her. One of my best friends is close with her. I would never dishonor that." >From "Shock and bull TORI", Herald Sun newspaper (Australia), July 9, 1998, by Cameron Adams. I have much more on the subject (I could write a book) if anybody is interested write me :) Sorry this was so long and here I thought I shortened it :-) Love, Cindy And I don't mind when people ask the same questions. They can't help it if they're new to the list and if I were new to the list I'd want to know too :-) So it's cool with me when we talk about the same things especially if it was something intelligent discussed on the list. I think it's rude when people get upset with other people for asking questions that have already been asked before. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:11:08 -0700 From: violet@torithoughts.org Subject: time is running out Hi Guys, If you want a "Toriphile" or "Ears With Feet" shirt, this is to remind you that there are only two short weeks left to get your orders in on this very limited run. The hard deadline is July 1st. There will be no extensions. Don't miss out! For complete information, visit http://www.torithoughts.org Hurry! :) Violet xoxox ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:52:59 EDT From: PeaCeGrLy2@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori's Young Fans hello!! I'm a young tori fan! ;) hehe I'm 14. Granted, I haven't been listening to her for as long as many of you guys on this list, but i still absolutely *love* her music!! I'm trying to learn how to play some of her songs on piano. its funny, most of my friends criticize me for listening to tori...like "How can you stand that screeching??" but i just brush them off, because i like many different kinds of music, and its their losses not mine. by the way, im not into the whole hip hop thing really....my friends are, but thats just not me Erica ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:56:30 -0500 From: "Aimee" Subject: Tori Amos poll Hey guys . . . http://www.freevote.com/booth/y0787 Go vote!!! Tori has a dismal 3 votes right now . . . even alanis is beating her out! ;) Love and $.99 pizza . . . aimee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:48:04 EDT From: Surreal00@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V4 #176 In a message dated 99-06-16 01:22:16 EDT, you write: << i'm 14 and i absolutly adore Tori! i the odd one when it comes to music whith my friends...maybe sometimes odd is better. :-) Erin~ >> Im 14 and a BOY! Everyone always thinks that is so weird. I just have a feminine taste in music I guess! hehe. ~~Riley~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:48:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Vice Subject: Tori's Young Fans (reply) [Len wrote] "....I want to know, since majority of today teenagers listen to Hip-Hop, how many Tori Amos fans (on this list) are nineteen and under and how many Tori Amos fans (any age) are the only Tori fan in there group of friends." Well i'm 17 and a tori fan. I think i'm the one person in my group of friends who listens to her the most. Most of my friends know of her (because they know shes my favourite) but have never heard her music. I just made a tape of songs i love of hers for my boyfriend (it took me forever to figure out what songs), i think i may start doing this for more of my friends. They really don't know what they're missing, i'm sure they'd get hooked. Since she isn't mainstream its not their faults that they haven't discovered her. Eyr === "Rain, feel it on my finger tips Hear it on my window pane Your love's coming down like Rain, wash away my sorrow Take away my pain Your love's coming down like rain" - -Rain _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:09:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Daisy Dead Petals Subject: Re: Tori's Young Fans I'm 19, and I've loved Tori for about 5 years, so while year-wise I may be young, I don't really consider myself to be a "young fan" anymore. I don't like being judged by my age, thankyouverymuch! Just kidding. But after five years, I really shouldn't have to deal with the "these young ones, so pushy" stuff, don't you think? Anyway, I'm off on a tangent and beginning to get a bit bitchy, don't mind me...I guess I'm a bit abnormal, because six or seven of my close friends love Tori nearly as much as I do, and that's some feat when we all live in rural New Hampshire :) Most people have never heard of her around here, but that's probably why those of us in the area who do like Tori become friends...friends are people with common interests, right? :) As for the majority of teenagers listening to rap, I think that depends entirely where you live. Around here, the majority of teenagers like punk and ska...I know, it's strange. In dreams, Erin === look i'm standing naked before you don't you want more than my sex i can scream as loud as your last one but i can't claim innocence ta _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:43:19 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Jaymes Warnock, was: Sugar At 04:54 PM 6/15/99 -0700, Vice wrote: [snip] >Oh and btw have any of you ever been to mp3.com, >there's an artist named james bradley warnock there >who has a electronic sounding cover of sugar, of >course i think it doesn't do the original justice but >it isn't that bad. Jaymes is -still- around?! Okay, kids, it's time again for the Jaymes warning. Jaymes is a little bastard who should be removed from the face of this planet. Period. He has ripped off -dozens- of online Toriphiles, not to mention online fans of other artists. He's claimed to be a member of YKTR, one of Tori's closest friends, and he's "sold" countless rare items that either never existed or do exist but he didn't have a copy of it. He's even tried to tell the guy who runs the Tori Bootleg Discography that he found a bootleg that was half Tori and half "this guy named Jaymes Warnock". There is a mail fraud suit opened against that little pigfucker. Beyond his exploits with online Toriphiles, he's claimed to have written an album with Cyndi Lauper and been in "Scream 2". He's sold non-existent Madonna items as well. Jaymes is not an artist, unless you consider him a rip-off artist. NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER believe anything that Jaymes has to say about himself. If it's on his webpage, it's a lie. I wouldn't even be willing to bet that the Sugar cover he's got on his webpage is really him -- it would not AT ALL be below that little piece of whale shit to record someone else doing it and say it's him. Bottom line: NEVER EVER buy anything from Jaymes. Don't exchange email with him. Don't contact him in any way. If you see him coming down the road, run away as fast as your little feet will take you -- or, if you're in your car, run him over and do the world a great service. I'll bail you out of jail myself, and I'll pay your attorney fees. :) /nad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:11:22 EDT From: Wintdve98@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori's Young Fans Well...I am only 14 and I am a Tori fan. :) Infact my High School counselor mentioned to me when she looked on my student intrest profile that i loved tori amos she said she likes her too, so now we totally clicked. I noticed in my school there are maybe 3 tori fans and like 4 that "know of her" but don't consider her as a favorite. My school is made up of four different parts... 1) The "hommies" or "The Wu-Tang Clan of West Hempstead" 2) The Acrombie & Fitch preppy "whatever the popular radio station plays" people (aka, the bands that have been starting to sellout) 3) The punk/freaks. I love these people, infact most of my friends are them we go to ska/punk concerts together ALL the time and stuff, haha and today we had a water fight in the middle of the hall. The preps called us immature. F*CK THEM 4) Then there is me...I am in a world of my own. It's strange, I was grown up to think everything have a spirit, and how magick was helpful for us and how there are many different realms in the universe...and I thought that was really normal...I grew up thinking that (and still personally believe that). Then I went into the world and mean while I thought I was the normal one, I became the odd one out and everyone else was normal. Very strange feeling. ~~*Hugs*~ it's a Bug's Life. Susan ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #177 *************************************