From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #170 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, June 10 1999 Volume 04 : Number 170 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Pigs [carmen riojas ] Re: precious-things-digest V4 #168 [Surreal00@aol.com] Re:AOL Tori chats [Victoria C Myers ] Re: peggy got a message for me.... ["squidgy" ] Re: Pigs [Cor.ab.ella@hotmail.com, the mookie faerie sushi raspberry swir] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 20:36:26 PDT From: carmen riojas Subject: Re: Pigs i'm not sure about the RS vid, i always took it to just be a fun something, it doesn't seem to fit w/ the song. the BFP covor, she said she was "nursing shame", that's what it symbolized. it's very interesting if you bring in the mythology, i don't know if she meant to. that would make her Pele, and change the meaning in a neat way. i like that idea > > :>) Does anyone know the significance of the pigs? : BFP cover and >picture > > in booklet, and also "Raspberry Swirl" video. > > > > - Kim > > "...and maybe together > > we'll make mother well..." > >I read something about Pele lately which may explain the >tori-suckling-a-pig-picture. The book said that Pele was (or still is) in >love >with Kamapuaa, the god of the pigs. > >hth > >anna > >'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'* >it never leaves my mind >the last words she said >"if I don`t find it this time, >then I`m better off dead" p.j. harvey > >'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'**'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*' _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:32:21 EDT From: Surreal00@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V4 #168 In a message dated 99-06-09 01:22:13 EDT, you write: << Tom xxxxx wrote: > Here is my take on the pig Tori suckles. > > I think, given the anti-man tone of BfP, that she is saying something like > "Well, so many of the men I've taken to my breast have been pigs, why > shouldn't I take a real pig there as well." Now, I"ve never heard Tori say > it, but that's what occurred to me. And, men are pigs. I should know: I am > one and I date them. As for the pigs in the RS video, I haven't seen it so I > have no comment. >> I dont understand why everyone has to try and decipher every single detail of every single tori song and picture. doesnt anyone think she might have just written a song or taken a pic just for fun? not everything has meaning behind it, you know. - --Riley-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:38:41 -0400 From: Victoria C Myers Subject: Re:AOL Tori chats > that's not true. back when IRC was more consolidated, way back when around 93, it was almost impossible for anyone to get into #toriamos, unless you were one of the chosen. i realize we're not talkng about IRC, and i dont' eally have anything to do with aol... principle still applies.< I realize you're trying to cool things down in this discussion and I applaud that, but I just want to point out a flaw in your argument. The big difference between IRC and AOL chat rooms is that on IRC the chats aren't necessarily public, they are under the control of whoever creates each individual chat or the Op ( one who has control of the room). But with AOL, unless a chat is in a *private* chat room it is considered public domain. And while it doesn't always have to be a constant Tori discussion (even though it *is* a Tori room), AOL has certain rules about foul language and generally being nasty to other chatters. So I think the complaint about this particular AOL room is not that they don't talk Tori, but that they (not all the regulars, but some) are nasty and insulting to *newbies* (I hate that word,too) that wander in there. Again, I don't want to make things worse. I have just learned to avoid that chat room. I just wanted to clear this up. ~~~Victoria~~ "Thanks a lot, big brain." -Vonnegut ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:59:09 +0100 From: "squidgy" Subject: Re: peggy got a message for me.... 'I think' Tori either thought a lot of this boy, and that every word that came from his mouth, or his pen would hit her with a force if it were directed at her, OR that the boy thought he deserved a lot of respect, thought a lot of himself, and was generally looked up too!?, by the rest of the class, which is probably balls, because he sounds like a bit of a git. I have heard that there was a boy Tori liked at school,.. admired - I'm not sure about, however was he the same bloke as the note writer?, I'm not sure!, sorry this is such a dire explanation, but that's my two pence!! Squidgy :-) - ---------- >From: Lauren DePhillips >To: Freedom110@aol.com, precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: Re: peggy got a message for me.... >Date: Wed, Jun 9, 1999, 22:07 > > >>From: Freedom110@aol.com >>To: lauren15@hotmail.com, precious-things@smoe.org, BritPele@aol.com >>Subject: Re: peggy got a message for me.... >>Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 00:35:09 EDT >> >>This is so interesting because if this is what she meant in the >song, then >>technically that boy that passed the note is Jesus (Not >in a literal >>sense,but who knows?!) (''Peggy got a message for me, >from Jesus'') And >>that she knows everything that she has said... Is >it just me or is Tori >>one deep woman? Can NSync or Backstreet give >you something like this? > >>So what she's trying to say is that, Jesus knew her voice wasen't >good >>back then, or did he say that to purposly make her work at it. >Or just to >>ridicule >>her? Guys.. help! >> >>Am I over-analizing this? >> >> >> >>-Gus >>....Do it again > >Maybe it just means that at the time it was so tramatizing to her (as these >things sometimes are) that it was almost as powerful as if Jesus came down >and told her personally..... >or perhaps it has nothing to do with it? > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 21:44:48 EDT From: Cor.ab.ella@hotmail.com, the mookie faerie sushi raspberry swirl girl Subject: Re: Pigs The pig is the unkosher, the thing that one is expected to avoid, and tori nurtures that. I see it as a metaphor for loving the good and the bad in ourselves and others just for what they are, accepting yourself and others. >From: Ingeborg Karen Nymand >Reply-To: Ingeborg Karen Nymand >To: precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Pigs >Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 04:44:17 PDT > > > > >>:>) Does anyone know the significance of the pigs? : BFP cover and >>picture > >The pigs is the ugly, evil, bad parts of ourselves we have to accept. cause >nature is loving and cruel at the same time. > >Ingeborg > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "so I'll walk the plank/and i'll jump with a smile/i'f i'm gonna go down/i'm gonna do it with style/and you won't see me surrender/you won't hear me confess/cuz you've left me with nothing/but i've worked with less" --Ani Difranco "We don't know where souls go when they die. We don't know a lot of things. We didn't create the planets. We didn't do this all by ourselves. So, therefore, why wouldn't there be a creative force if it can create humans and planets?"-Tori Amos-Columbia House Interview, Spring 1999 I ' m n o t P e r s e p h o n e *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #170 *************************************