From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #164 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, June 7 1999 Volume 04 : Number 164 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Toriphile/EWF [Beth Winegarner ] Re: Ohh don't look at me like I'm stupid, now! ["Erika and Alan Lewis" ] exclusionary Tori fans [Super Chick ] Re: ewf [Wake UpNeo ] Re: Ohh don't look at me like I'm stupid, now! [Beth Coulter ] Pigs [KAPS72@aol.com] Re: Sister Named Desire [Hicky3000@aol.com] Re: Tori puns [KAPS72@aol.com] MTV's review of Tori's RAINN concert [KAPS72@aol.com] where to get the shirts [XXXPandora@aol.com] [none] [Ingeborg Karen Nymand ] Re: Tori on free MTV anti-violence cd [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: Tori - Led Zeppelin comparison ["Alan Bryce" ] Re: Tori - Led Zeppelin comparison ["Vicki Siolos" ] Re: Golden Gun [Jeffrey Clark ] Re: Tori videos [becky ] NY Cornflake Girl preformace [Terry Ferrell ] Re: Pigs [marion.laqua@t-online.de (Anna)] Re: Pigs [Summer Smith ] Keychains anyone? [Tha Shaigirl ] Rabbit book [Jennifer Lynn Roth ] Re: exclusionary Tori fans [Terry Ferrell ] Toriphiles vs. Ears With Feet [Thisbe5716@aol.com] Dallas OkTorifest/ Torifest Messaging Board [Ruby Priestess ] ewf/toriphile stuff.. (just one more) ["strange as angels" Subject: Toriphile/EWF You're a Toriphile if you like purple T-shirts, and you're an EWF if you like green T-shirts. Don't ask me what you are if you like both. :) Beth - -- "The haunting is a part of me, These eyes that act as windows for the ghost inside of me." (Soil & Eclipse) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:47:52 -0400 From: "Erika and Alan Lewis" Subject: Re: Ohh don't look at me like I'm stupid, now! Beth said: > What keeps a Toriphile > from being an EwF? If you have any critisism of Tori, her music or her > actions, then you definately *don't* fit the definition of EwF. If you > constantly skip over certain songs on her albums, then you are simply a > Toriphile. An EwF is completely accepting and willing to listen and > attempt to understand everything Tori does. Okay, this is really something i shouldn't get my panties in a wad for but this is just a riduclous statement. It sounds quite close to a kind of Tori dogma, thou shalt be in total agreement and absolutly adore everything Tori Amos has ever done, from the music she plays to every word she utters. Come on, you've got to be kidding. If this isn't what you meant, please clarify. I consider myself an EwF even though there are some songs I simply do not like, and somethings she has said that i don't agree with or understand. It seems like you're trying to draw a line where one cannot be drawn. My own personal opinion about whether or not you are a Toriphile or Ears With Feet is simply, which do *you* consider yourself, not what *others* who are just making up definitions as they go along think you are. But, since others are defining the words, I'll through this in, anyone who tries to define what it means to be either a Toriphile or Ears With Feet isn't really a either one themselves. These words are just fun names we've chosen to keep close to our hearts, whether becasue Tori gave us the name, or because it's something that we can all identify with. So, it doesn't matter which one you are, just get the shirt you like best, with the word that *you* think fits you best. There's my 0.02$. Be Well Erika ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:43:23 EDT From: RedSpark18@aol.com Subject: tape K. Sotiro sent First of all I would just like to thank Kim Sotiro for sending me the tape I needed. She is cool. Anyway, I lost your email addy and I was wondering if I owe you anything. Please contact me. RED http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/vine/9831/index3.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 02:40:42 -0500 From: Ryan Engel Subject: Re: Tori - Paganini comparison I'm reminded of the comparison I once saw between JFK and Abe Lincoln...both assasinated and connected in various ways including the number of letters in their names, which, incidentally, is also true in this case. Tori Amos...8 letters Paganini...8 letters Does it mean anything? Probably not, but as a friendly young high school girl informed me today at work, anything's possible. Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 01:15:23 -0400 From: Super Chick Subject: exclusionary Tori fans XXXPandora sez: <> Lord, dont I know that this is true. Are there any AOL users on the list who go into the Tori Amos chat, only to be repeatedly snubbed by the people in there? They are never discussing Tori, and they always use each others' real names, which is very rude in a public chat room. If they want to have a forum with their friends, they can go into a private room...but some of us want to talk Tori, and we dont appreciate being run out of there. Bleh, had to get that out of my system. Cheers, Natalie Ballard Instant Message SoCenRain "you're in the air and I am breathing.." ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:05:12 GMT From: Wake UpNeo Subject: Re: ewf I don't think it makes any difference whether a fan calls themself a >toriphile or an ewf. It's a personal preference choice and doesn't in any >way make you less of an enthusiast on either end. Just choose which one >rolls off your tongue easiest. I agree completely with this. Just for the record. Which is one reason why i plan on buying one of *each* shirt ! ;o) I'll wear the Toriphile one when i'm too low-energy to field questions from strangers about 'what the heck is an ear with feet ?' heh. Thanks for lookin' up the interview transcript. I knew it was there someplace. I hesitated to quote from something i didn't have the energy to post in entirety. I think those girls have their own website that tells even more about this story, if i'm not mistaken. Oh, and yeh that sound clip's great. You can hear the catch in Tori's voice when she's talking about EWF. :o) It's kinda poignant. Appreciatively; K. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 23:52:25 -0400 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: Ohh don't look at me like I'm stupid, now! My apologies to everyone who was disturbed by my definitions. Appearently it was read a lot differently than what I meant to say. I wasn't trying to express "better than", just that the folks Tori refers to as "Ears with Feet" are also the folks she considers her "core fans" (from a seperate interview). When I said an EwF accepts and tries to understand all of Tori's music, I meant just that; not that you need to adore every note or give up your life in pursuit of the perfect Tori moment. An "Ear with Feet" is any person who really respects Tori. Better? Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~really deep thoughts and stories~ updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 23:28:13 EDT From: Freedom110@aol.com Subject: Re: Ohh don't look at me like I'm stupid, now! In a message dated 99-06-05 22:47:26 EDT, XXXPandora@aol.com writes: > That is not a true fan. It's the fans who must > criticize, and not accept everything someone does because of who it is!! The > > true fan is the one who recognizes the weaknesses of their "idols", not the > one who blindly accepts whatever crap they put out because they are gripping > > the last branch jutting out of dead man's canyon! > > please, get your sources straight and next time - take the time to actually > read what Tori said instead of putting words in her mouth and making > yourself > look bad. > > I'm sorry if this upsets anyone, but it had to be said, I believe that the > above description of an EwF was disgraceful to Tori and that she would be > upset at the false interpretation of her words. > > > kisses, > joanne > I completely agree with you Joanne. Everyone should be equal. So if I skip a song, I'm like, not totally true to Tori? Give me a brake, please. I don't think a level or amount should be measured in an ewf. There is no correct sum. You love her, you love what her hands do when she plays her girl, you love her quirky little remarks, you love her boldness, and her passion. You don't love her because you have all her CD's. Have ticket stubs from every single concert, or own every single bootleg on the planet. Get real people. - -Gus ...Do it again ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 03:45:15 GMT From: Wake UpNeo Subject: peeling out another layer :o) Kahlan wrote: >I think you are right about the betrayal, but I always thought this was in >the more general sense. Yes, me too; i was just giving one example; i've really enjoyed reading everyone else's too. I'd never say or think that Tori's lyrics have only one meaning or possible interpretation. So this is really kewl when lotsa people ante up with their own vision of it :o) Peel out a watchword because one of the raisin >girls who has "gone to the other side" may turn on you at any moment. Oooh good point i never thought of this. I just kinda pictured them as escaping from the women in the village who have really bought into this and are forcing or pressuring other women into it. But yeh it's a wider metaphor too, i think. How in general women can betray each other, how that feeds the oppressive patriarchal side of things often times when it happens, and how that kinda hurts even more cos u'd expect the whole group was in on the watchword together. Maybe even one among *those* would rat the others out. *shudder* When i hear that phrase sung by Tori, i get this sense of tension and danger. This >comes right after "and I go at (its) sleepytime".. which implies >vulnerability; you would need someone to "peel out the watchword" to make >sure you are not hurt in a vulnerable state. It also comes after "this is not really happenin' here, you bet your life it is". So "peel out the watchword" must be pretty important it turns out, IMHO, to have been repeated like that. It seems to underscore and emphasize even more, what's happening and the horror of it. Words r fun, K. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:51:18 EDT From: KAPS72@aol.com Subject: Pigs I have another question for all of you.......(I'm so full of questions lately :>) Does anyone know the significance of the pigs? : BFP cover and picture in booklet, and also "Raspberry Swirl" video. - - Kim "...and maybe together we'll make mother well..." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 05:33:46 EDT From: Hicky3000@aol.com Subject: Re: Sister Named Desire In a message dated 6/5/99 7:47:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Freque79@aol.com writes: << That's the lyrics according to ToriHelp (tm) >> anyone know where i can get that? i used to have it before my computer crashed thanks danny http://www.afterglow.cjb.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:38:45 EDT From: KAPS72@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori puns I appreciate your interpretations so much. I have had a lot of issues I've been working on myself, though not in a physical sense, if you know what I mean. I can't believe how much comfort I find in Tori's understanding of the pain of what people do to each other. Her video for "Hey Jupiter" is my favorite and on my bad days, it helps comfort me. She knows. - - Kim "...guess I thought I could never feel the things I feel..." "...so I got me some horses, to ride on, to ride on, they say that your demons can't go there..." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:24:59 EDT From: KAPS72@aol.com Subject: MTV's review of Tori's RAINN concert Since I am considerably new to this list, I am sure most of you have already seen the review MTV gave Tori's RAINN concert in Madison Square Garden. I was wondering what anyone's opinion is of it. I don't know why it irritated me so much. I understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion. But.......it's Tori. And we love her. I know, that Tori gets a lot of bad reviews. I guess I'm just not good at handling negativity... - - Kim "..guess I thought I could never feel the things I feel...." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 04:54:23 EDT From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: where to get the shirts In a message dated 6/6/1999 1:37:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jellie@ix.netcom.com writes: << ummm.....just a question...who is making hte shirts and how would you get one of em? >> I'm sending this to everyone because I remember a few others asking about it ... www.torithoughts.org Click here: ToriThoughts.Org -- A Tori Amos Site Violet, the keeper of this website and the ToriTour and RDTRN is making the shirts. There was my help to you violet, since I won't be buying a shirt -- I'll just help you advertise :) kisses, joanne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 09:32:48 PDT From: Ingeborg Karen Nymand Subject: [none] hello my friends could someone send me a complete list of all the tribute cd's, or background vocal cd's.....with Tori Ingeborg ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 20:25:43 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Tori on free MTV anti-violence cd At 11:56 AM 6/4/99 -0400, Thisbe5716@aol.com wrote: > >Hi! A few people have asked me how to get one of these CDs. If you go to >www.fightforyourrights.mtv.com >you can register to get a CD. I don't know if there are any left, though. I >ordered mine over a month ago. Hope this helps! I called them at their toll-free number and ordered one yesterday, and was told that it would be shipped in 3-4 weeks. I -assume- this means that they still have them left. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:51:12 +0100 From: "Alan Bryce" Subject: Re: Tori - Led Zeppelin comparison Have you noticed aswell the similar drum beats at the start of 'Caught a lite sneeze', and 'when the levee breaks'? (If this was mentioned already sorry for being a bit slow, cause it is kind of obvious.. :o) ~Al. > >> Since Tori has said several times that these are two of her biggest >> influences, I don't think this is a coincidence. That's my two cents..... > >Yeah, I really doubt it's coincidental. As you said, they are her biggest >influence. Whether she purposefully tried to simulate the drum beat in >her song or she just was subconciously inclined to put that sort of a beat >into the song, I can't say. I re-listened to the two songs ("When the >Levee Breaks" and "Liquid Diamonds," the live version) and the only >differences that I can see are: > 1)tempo > 2)a down-beat on "WTLB" where "LD" has several short up-beats. > >Anyway, just my observations... >Amy, the choirgirl > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:26:27 -0400 From: "Vicki Siolos" Subject: Re: Tori - Led Zeppelin comparison I am also a huge fan of Led Zeppelin, and I've noticed many comparisons. The rhythm isn't exACTly the same, but 'tis very similar. Another thing that I had noticed was towards the end of "She's Your Cocaine" (I believe it's somewhere around 3min/8sec?) where she does that moany, bench-rocking sound - it reminded me very much of Robert Plant and his gracious "yow yow"s. loveintori, Vicki ToriPyro@aol.com "oh look...carkeys! bye!" - Ani - will work for sex: http://travel.to/desolate.winters >Okay, have any of you guys heard the intro to the Led Zeppelin song "When >the Levee Breaks" of the album Led Zeppelin IV? The song opens up with an >interesting drum beat. Well, I was listening to it closely for the first >time today, and it sounds an awful lot like the intro Matt plays for (I >think) "Liquid Diamonds." I am not sure if that's the right song or not, >but that's the only one popping into my head. Anyway, any thoughts on >this? Is it purely coincidence? > >Amy, the choirgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 23:06:51 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Rare Tori find At 03:58 PM 6/4/99 -0500, tully526@impop.bellatlantic.net wrote: > >Hi. How rare is the Robert Tepper out-of-print "Modern Madness" cd? It >features Tori on back-up vocals. Do you think it would sell for a lot? >The Sandra Bernhard cd Tori did backup on is selling for $50-70. I had >never realized that it was Tori on the cd. I never saw it mentioned in >any book or website. How's that for rarest Tori find? Thanks. This Robert Tepper thing is only something that's come to light recently. The first mention I saw about it was on rec.music.tori-amos a few months ago. The record was made in 1988, and was produced by Joe Chiccarelli (who produced YKTR), and put out on Scotti Brothers Records. 1988 would've been about the time that Joe was shopping Tori around as backup vocals. Between 1988 and 1990, she did backups for four other artists: Al Stewart, Stan Ridgway, Sandra Bernhard, and Ferron. It's conceivable that Tori did backup for other artists, too; there's really no documentation from that period of Tori's career. Whether or not it's actually -worth- something is anyone's guess. Tori did backup vocals on it, but the liner notes don't state which ones. I have no idea how many of these discs were made in the first place, nor how many might actually be in circulation. I'd guess that it has fairly limited value, though. The true completist {and you'd -definitely- have to be a completist to want something where the Tori link is, well, as obscure as this} might be interested, but not your average fan. The Sandra Bernhard album isn't just sought after by Toriphiles: Sandra Bernhard certainly has her own fanbase -- and IMHO, that's definitely part of why that album's value is so high. None of the other albums that Tori's done backup vocals on in that period are of such value, or even close. HTH. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 14:03:21 -0400 From: Jeffrey Clark Subject: Re: Golden Gun At 10:26 PM 6/3/99 -0400, you wrote: >patriarchy thing. So when she says "the man with the golden gun thinks he >knows so much", I think she may be talking about Christ/God and/or the men >that believe in their superiority simply because they are male. "The man with the golden gun", if I'm not mistaken, is also the name of a James Bond movie. Has anybody seen this movie and noticed any correlations between it and the song? Jeffrey Clark - Systems Coordinator, SorrowSoft ayukawa@twcny.rr.com http://home.twcny.rr.com/alliance ICQ UIN #1361324 "When you sleep, where do your fingers go?" - Cake ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:36:35 -0400 From: becky Subject: Re: Tori videos On this same note - Why does Tori share the stage with so many children in her videos? I'm going to assume that it's because she's trying to show the inner child and little girl that always exists. I will always say "Punky-Power" and have a weakness for Barbies for the rest of my life, so I can understand why . . . maybe. Any thoughts? becky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 19:35:45 GMT From: Terry Ferrell Subject: NY Cornflake Girl preformace Hey Guys, I was watching my copy of the Live From NY video for about the 100,000 time, but i noticed something different. I had never given much thought to the little dance that tori does at the beginning of Cornflake Girl, but this time i was watching closly. Has anyone never noticed that while she is doing that dance, she moves her arms up and down in front of her stomach, as if to show that someone is pregnant, and then she starts rocking her arms like she is rocking a baby? I know that this show was a just little while after she had her miscarge (oh i still feel so bad for her), but i was wondering if anyone knew why she did that little dance and what it really means, any info would be greatly appreciated. Love, Terry _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:59:35 +0200 From: marion.laqua@t-online.de (Anna) Subject: Re: Pigs KAPS72@aol.com schrieb: > > I have another question for all of you.......(I'm so full of questions lately > :>) Does anyone know the significance of the pigs? : BFP cover and picture > in booklet, and also "Raspberry Swirl" video. > > - Kim > "...and maybe together > we'll make mother well..." I read something about Pele lately which may explain the tori-suckling-a-pig-picture. The book said that Pele was (or still is) in love with Kamapuaa, the god of the pigs. hth anna '*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'* it never leaves my mind the last words she said "if I don`t find it this time, then I`m better off dead" p.j. harvey '*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'**'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*'*' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 14:15:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Summer Smith Subject: Re: Pigs Oh my gosh, I asked this same question a good while back, and can't remember all the responses. I'm looking forward to replies about it here. I noticed the pigs thing too. Summer On Sun, 6 Jun 1999 KAPS72@aol.com wrote: > > I have another question for all of you.......(I'm so full of questions lately > :>) Does anyone know the significance of the pigs? : BFP cover and picture > in booklet, and also "Raspberry Swirl" video. > > - Kim > "...and maybe together > we'll make mother well..." > Summer Smith Join Fascist Faeries member of onelist.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 21:00:58 GMT From: Tha Shaigirl Subject: Keychains anyone? I was wondering if anyone knew of a place, either on the internet or a store near you, that carries Tori Amos keychains. I was looking at my keys today and noticed I had 2 of my 3 obsessions on there. 2 really kick-ass Buffy the Vampire Slayer logo keychains and 1 group picture of 'N Sync. I know my most favorite of the 3 are missing... Tori Amos. Now I've seen some come and go on eBay, but quite frankly I hate dealing on there, plus 9 times outta 10, you end up paying more on there for stuff you can just get at a store. So if anyone knows of any URLs or if you have a store nearby you, and you're willing to help a girl out... please e-mail privately! Thanks! ~Shaigirl "I can be cruel I don't know why." -Tori Amos * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tha Shaigirl shaigirl79@hotmail.com 32 Flavors http://glenmar.com/~mmb AOL IM: shaigirl79 ICQ UIN: 7032035 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 15:17:14 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Lynn Roth Subject: Rabbit book I forgot the name of the book some people were talking about in reference to the discussion of the meaning of "rabbit - where'd you put the keys girl" in Cornlake Girl. Not Posessing the Secret of Joy but the other one someone said would be difficult to read had one been through some sort of sexual abuse in the past. I am intriqued but cannot for the life o me remember the name. Please help. Faery Blessings, Jenn *************************************************************************** "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one." - John Lennon "Hey you, sitting naked by the phone, waiting for someone to call out, would you touch me?" - Roger Waters "How can you leave the past behind when it keeps finding ways to get to your heart? It reaches way down deep and turns you inside out till you're torn apart." - J. Larson "Everybody knows I'm her friend, everbody knows I'm her man" - Tori Amos Believe. *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 19:28:18 GMT From: Terry Ferrell Subject: Re: exclusionary Tori fans I did not even know that there is a tori amos chat room on aol, could someone please tell me the name of it so that i can go to it one day. Thanks in advance Terry >From: Super Chick >Reply-To: Super Chick >To: precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: exclusionary Tori fans >Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 01:15:23 -0400 > > >XXXPandora sez: > ><by someone who felt like being exclusionary (a trait that I have >unfortunately found quite often in Tori's fans). >> > > >Lord, dont I know that this is true. Are there any AOL users on the list >who go into the Tori Amos chat, only to be repeatedly snubbed by the >people in there? They are never discussing Tori, and they always use each >others' real names, which is very rude in a public chat room. If they >want to have a forum with their friends, they can go into a private >room...but some of us want to talk Tori, and we dont appreciate being run >out of there. Bleh, had to get that out of my system. > > > >Cheers, >Natalie Ballard >Instant Message SoCenRain >"you're in the air and I am breathing.." > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:51:54 EDT From: Thisbe5716@aol.com Subject: Toriphiles vs. Ears With Feet I've been reading this thread with interest, and I thought it was time for me to post my two cents (sorry, but I'm about to get up on my box.... bear with me) Why does there have to be a difference between a "Toriphile" and an "Ear With Feet"? I've used both terms to describe myself at different times, depending on the circumstances. Usually, if I'm talking to someone who is not that familiar with Tori and her music, I'll say I'm a Toriphile. If I'm talking to someone who knows enough about Tori to understand the term EwF, that's what I'll call myself. To me, it's not about which one is which. We're all Ears With Feet, and we're all Toriphiles. There have been a few times since I joined this list that some people have gotten a bug up their asses about what is a "true fan". Who cares? If you are one of those people who dedicates 98% of your life to the relentless pursuit of Tori, that your choice. Those of us who don't have the time or the resources to find this information truly appreciate what you do. I can honestly say that the information I get from the people on this list makes Tori's music mean even more to me than it did before (and I didn't think that was possible), and I thank each one of you for taking the time to do this. That being said, I don't think that knowing what kind of toenail clippers Tori uses makes one person a bigger fan than another. It just means that one person is more informed than the other. The purpose of this forum is to SHARE information, not to flaunt it in other people's faces.... "Ha ha, I know this and YOU don't.... I'm a better fan than YOU!" (To be fair, I've never seen anybody do anything QUITE that rude, but I think you all know what I mean) Finally, I take exception to this statement: >>If you have any critisism of Tori, her music or her actions, then you definately *don't* fit the definition of EwF<< I'm sorry, I don't mean to flame, but that is a pretty ignorant comment. One of my best friends in the world is a writer, and a damn good one too. I love his work.... I'm also his harshest critic. The only way an artist can improve is if they are able to identify their mistakes as well as things in their work that are not working. Let me put it to you this way... if you are walking around work (or school) with toilet paper on your shoe, who is going to be the one to tell you about it? Someone who doesn't care about what happens to you, or your closest friends who don't want to see you humilated? I feel better now that I've gotten that off of my chest. Thanks to all of you who made it through this post! Amy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 17:21:26 PDT From: Ruby Priestess Subject: Dallas OkTorifest/ Torifest Messaging Board ATTENTION ALL TEXAS/OKLAHOMA TORIPHILES AND/OR EARS WITH FEET The Dallas OkTorifest will be upon us soon (October isn't really that far), and Raven (person in charge of the fest) has added a new message forum. The adress for the forum is http://www.casualforums.com/thepit/ToriFest It is a place for us to meet and discuss Tori related issues. The Dallas Torifest webpage is undergoing some major changes, but if you would like to browse around, the adress is http://ravenwood.dragonfire.net/tori/fest/index.html If you have any questions feel free to contact Raven (ravens.call@mailexcite.com) or myself (rubypriestess@hotmail.com). Thanks for listening, Lanna _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:18:55 -0400 From: "strange as angels" Subject: Re: Sister Named Desire : : That's the lyrics according to ToriHelp (tm). I don't know if they are : correct, but they are the easiest for me to access right now. Reading the : lyrics, it doesn't really make me think of Desire, but there are 2 Sandman : books that I have not yet read, so there could be references to those that I : don't see... I haven't heard this song yet, unfortunitly, but am dying to get my hands on it, as i love any connection between Tori and Neil in their art, and i do believe this is one of them.. :Well, here's the lyrics: :Got a sister named Desire - - why would Desire be singing about herself..? It sounds to me as if this song is from the point of view of Desire's twin sister, Despair. And this makes sense when you hear the melancholy lyrics of the rest of the song. :Mm, mm, mm, mm :Teach me about them old worlds big brother - -maybe a reference to Dream..? or am i just looking for more connections? :) this song sounds to be very intruiging.. especially when Despair is always so "Patient and says very little" ..so have her sing a song, ooh.. i love you, Tori. *L* .rachael. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:17:55 -0400 From: "strange as angels" Subject: ewf/toriphile stuff.. (just one more) : : These words are just fun names we've chosen to keep close to : : our hearts, whether becasue Tori gave us the name, or because it's : something : : that we can all identify with. So, it doesn't matter which one you are : : : of course it doesn't, and although this conversation is silly.. i can't : stop myself from my little images behind each of the terms. [*disclaimer* : IT'S OKAY! THEY ARE INNOCENT AND NOT KNOCKING ANY FAN WHAT-SO-EVER!] I : think i'd call myself a Toriphile, simply because i haven't been able to : use my feet to my advantage during a Tori concert.. you know, find secret : doors that get me close enough to get an autograph, hear a private : soundcheck, etc.. that's the time that an ear with feet has luckily spent! : They've managed to foil bouncers and get in places they shouldn't be with : magic little dedicated feet. I adore Tori, and would love to have the : oportunity to use my feet to sneak in places, etc, at shows, but i can't! : She barely ever plays here and i'm only 16! ..my feet aren't well enough : experienced (i'll be going to only my second show this year) ..so, a : Toriphile is one who *loves* the music as much as an ear with feet, but : hasn't been set loose at a show to be the kind of fan the bouncers dread.. : ;) : : see? that was harmless.. : take care! : : ..rachael. : : ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #164 *************************************