From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #159 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, June 2 1999 Volume 04 : Number 159 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ftch Piano Book & T-shirts [Jade2412@aol.com] Re: Liquid Diamonds lyric problem ["Ruby Priestess" ] Re: precious-things-digest V4 #156 [Victoria C Myers ] Re: Lyrics for Little Amsterdam [Freque79@aol.com] Tori backed by orchestra on tour? [Jennifer Mitts Cypres ] Re: peel out the watchword [Gud4AStorm@aol.com] looking for someone [Super Chick ] Re: Liquid Diamonds lyric problem [Freque79@aol.com] Re: ftch Piano Book & T-shirts [Freque79@aol.com] Caton news [Greenorb21@aol.com] Supplies... ["Tha Shaigirl" ] Re: Accents [Cindy26471@aol.com] quote of the day ["Daisy Dead Petals" ] NIN ["Mr Zebra" ] Re: Liquid Diamonds lyrics [Jennifer Mitts Cypres ] Tori mentioned in RS [EvilTori@aol.com] Liquid Diamonds ["Mr Zebra" ] orchestral accompaniment ["sheina kalinchak" ] Re: Accents [Cindy26471@aol.com] quick question ["Terry Ferrell" ] "Liquid Diamonds" bridge lyric [John Drummond ] ticket trade [Lmwallgren@aol.com] Fw: Tori on free MTV anti-violence cd ["Daisy Dead Petals" ] I'd give millions [Tripp Gwyn ] Tori MP3's [PusyKatNoz@aol.com] Re: peel out the watchword [skh1@mindspring.com] Re: peel out the watchword ["carmen riojas" ] Re: Liquid Diamonds lyric problem ["carmen riojas" Subject: Re: Liquid Diamonds lyric problem these are my thoughts on liquid diamonds >Can he bring those ______ chains? jeans? i really dont know >Dead is done >Preaching back into himself i *think* it says dad is gone preaching again to himself just my two cents lanna/ruby _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:19:34 EDT From: RedSpark18@aol.com Subject: Faeries REunite! Sorry, But my sister keeps crashing my computer and I keep losing the addys for the FAERIES UNITED IN TORI fanclub... ARGH!!! SO please if you've got your faerie wings on and can help me out SEND ME YOUR ADDYS to RedSpark18@aol.com... don't worry, this time i'll write them down!!! THANKS! Take Care, Over and OUt, RED REd *********** "...musta been a real nice price she's puttin on her stringbean love...." *********** http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/vine/9831/index3.html STRINGBEAN LOVE *********** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:33:00 -0500 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: Milwaukee '96 2nd show HELLO! If anyone has a boot of Milwaukee (Riverside Theatre) 1996 the SECOND show, please email me! I am dying to have this on tape, as it was me and my friend's 1st Tori concert. I have a few nice goodies to trade--I can make tapes, and I am looking to get rid of a couple of Tori related cds also. THANK YOU! Daisy Dead Petals daislen@wctc.net "Please do not ask for water, as refusal often offends." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 17:47:20 -0400 From: Victoria C Myers Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V4 #156 >>would somebody tell me when the atlanta show goes on sale << Hello, everyone. I'm new to the list, so feel free to give me any pointers or tell me if I bring up something that's been covered. The Atlanta show (at Lakewood ,August) is already on sale over the Net. A friend of mine lives there and has already gotten our tickets. :) ~~~Victoria~/~Muruch~~ "Thanks a lot, big brain." - -Vonnegut ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:47:52 EDT From: Freque79@aol.com Subject: Re: Lyrics for Little Amsterdam In a message dated 5/31/99 9:58:41 AM Central Daylight Time, Randi101@aol.com writes: > > "All alone, got a girl in the city. Hey, got a room and a place for two. > Gotta go there all by myself boy. I said you are my fifth avenue. Round and > around..." bla bla bla. Yeah, it does make sense, but it doesn't fit right. I just listened to it to compare, and I can't hear that at all. I think the previous attempts have been more feasible. Mairie http://members.xoom.com/pianoqueen/ Ode to the Piano Queen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 09:35:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Mitts Cypres Subject: Tori backed by orchestra on tour? >does anyone else have a desire to hear Tori play >backed by a full orchestra or maybe not a full one, >but something like that. Could you just imagine >hearing Yes, Anastasia, or Winter with all the >accompaniment... >*wow* Ya know, there's a great possibility this could happen. Alanis needs an orchestra for Uninvited and I think for a couple of other songs. They could share! My $0.02, jen === Sometimes I can hold my tongue sometimes not... - -"Honey", Tori Amos Thunder wishes it could be the snow Wishes it could be as loved as she can be... - -"Purple People", Tori Amos _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 13:40:16 EDT From: Gud4AStorm@aol.com Subject: Re: Liquid Diamonds lyric problem In a message dated 5/31/99 9:59:55 AM Central Daylight Time, desilu@wt.net writes: Well, I'm going to input my personal changes/hearing along side yours..... << I go I go inside a shell I see its so < "I see its soul> And you're doing oh so well these days You do it again and I say Its coming back again Something like the The saturday < could be "sadder day"> Such was it Can he bring those ______ Keep it back Dead is done Preaching back into himself And keep it just between us Liquid Liquid Liquid Thanks. :-) Matthew >> Well, that's what I hear (maybe) anyway. :-) Michelle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:19:49 -0500 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: peel out the watchword - ----- Original Message ----- From: Daisy Dead Petals To: Sent: Monday, May 31, 1999 10:19 AM Subject: Re: peel out the watchword > > "peel out the watchword" - This lyric has been recently nagging at me. > > Does anyone have any possible interpretations for it? Thanks in advance! > > > > Michelle > > > > Well now, this IS bizzare! I was going to post the VERY SAME THING! Well, I > thought that it ment "'lets ignore what is horribly wrong?!' I think not!". > But I dunno. > > Daisy Dead Petals > daislen@wctc.net > > "Please do not ask for water, > as refusal often offends." > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 13:27:26 EDT From: Gud4AStorm@aol.com Subject: Re: peel out the watchword In a message dated 5/31/99 10:21:31 AM Central Daylight Time, daislen@wctc.net writes: << Well now, this IS bizzare! I was going to post the VERY SAME THING! Well, I thought that it ment "'lets ignore what is horribly wrong?!' I think not!". But I dunno. Daisy Dead Petals >> Well, this doesn't really answer the question, but it's interesting. Here's what Merriam-Webster has to say about "watchword": First appeared 15th Century. 1: a word or phrase used as a sign of recognition among members of the same society, class, or group. 2a: a word or motto that embodies a principle or guide to action of an individual or group : SLOGAN <"safety" is our ~>. 2b: a guiding principle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 15:06:59 -0400 From: Super Chick Subject: looking for someone A few weeks ago, someone emailed me with a request to know the song list on the import "Precious Little Diamonds 2". She told me that she owned PLD 1, and I asked to know what was on that one. Well, my computer crashed and the backlog of email was so great that Juno deleted a lot of it, so I dont know if she replied or not and I dont know her name/addy!! I hate to use the list for something like this, but will Miss Precious Little Diamonds please stand up? Thanks. Cheers, Natalie Ballard Instant Message SoCenRain "you're in the air and I am breathing.." ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:56:18 EDT From: Freque79@aol.com Subject: Re: Liquid Diamonds lyric problem Okay, I am not totally sure of these, and I don't have the CD on me right now, but I know what I remember singing... > I go > I go inside a shell > I see its so > And you're doing oh so well these days > You do it again and I say > Its coming back again > Something like the And Saturdays > Such was it Can he bring those jeans? > Keep it back Daddy's down > Preaching back into himself > And keep it just between us > Liquid > Liquid > Liquid Or something like that. I could do better if I had it on me... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:20:43 EDT From: Freque79@aol.com Subject: Re: ftch Piano Book & T-shirts In a message dated 5/31/99 9:58:09 AM Central Daylight Time, tarot@pon.net writes: > 2) On CDNow, they list three Tori shirts: "BIT Choir Girl", "BLT Tori > Hair", and "WhT Portrait". Has anyone bought any of these off of CDNow? > What exactly is on them? And are there any scans of it? the BIT Choir Girl one is the shirt they sold at the Sneak Preview concerts. Tori in blue pants, holding a piano string. Her back is all you see. The BLT Tori hair is a black tee shirt, with Tori's face (really big) and her hair hanging in front of it. It's from the DDI tour. I am not sure of the WhT Portrait one. Mairie http://members.xoom.com/pianoqueen/ Ode to the Piano Queen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:01:25 EDT From: Greenorb21@aol.com Subject: Caton news Hi everyone! This may not be about Tori, but it certainly is Tori related . Tori's longtime guitarist Steve Caton has a new CD out with his band " binge" . The material on it is really incredible , and I think most of you will love it. To find out more , or to be notified when and how you can get it (this is the only way ) , E-mail me at Greenorb21@aol.com . Thanks! Yes, you've probably read this message before, but what kind of job would I be doing if I didn't cover all bases ? - - Laurie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 19:27:32 GMT From: "Tha Shaigirl" Subject: Supplies... The more trades I do, the more I strive to make 'em look perfect. So I'm just curious as to where you people (who do freqent trades) get your "supplies". I'm talking about: 10 or 20 CDR packs, 2Disc set cases, the kind/type of paper you use for the CD inserts, and the kind/type labels you use (if any) on the CDR. If anyone is willing to share this information, please e-mail me privately!!! Thank ya much! ~~Shaigirl "I can be cruel I don't know why." -Tori Amos * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tha Shaigirl shaigirl79@hotmail.com My So-Called Life http://glenmar.com/~mmb AOL IM: shaigirl79 ICQ UIN: 7032035 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Wanna Trade? Check out Shaigirl's Bootie Call http://glenmar.com/~mmb/booties.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Marry Me Jane Online: Twentyone '99 http://listen.to/marrymejane _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:39:54 EDT From: Cindy26471@aol.com Subject: Re: Accents In a message dated 5/29/99 9:47:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, MLLX6DV2@fs1.ec.man.ac.uk writes: > Her pronunciation on that song is by NO means > American, as say - Playboy Mommy - where she says "BirmingHAM" > (whereas here in Britain we would say "Birmingm"). I'm from Birmingham, AL. and was at the pre-show meet and greet here on 8/14/98 and talked to Tori for about 30 seconds. A friend of mine asked here if she was referring to Birmingham, AL or Birmingham, England in "Playboy Mommy" and she said AL. She also played it that night and paused ever-so-slightly at the Birmingham part and looked out at the audience. Just thought I'd offer a possible explanation as to why she pronounces it that way... cindy26471@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:22:33 -0500 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: quote of the day Is anyone else not getting the Quote of the day? Just wondering... Daisy Melanie daislen@wctc.net ...she's in parties... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:18:32 -0500 From: "Mr Zebra" Subject: NIN Thank you to all who replied to my post about the significance of "Nine Inch Nails." I have come to the conclusion that it really has no meaning beyond sounding cool, and the whole crucifixion nails being nine inches long is just a rumor. Thanks. :-) Matthew and when we come we always come too late. I often think that we were born to hate. get up and see the sarcasm in my eyes. ICQ# 298707 mrzebra@fumblers.org http://surf.to/gotsarah - got Sarah? http://surf.to/ssfumblas - SouthSide Cult of E Membership #138 FuCS/DA exfe96 a+++ Ifte lms/txus r++ ps+++ bs t-- C++ w++ p1 LF+/*** N++ cd80+ pr+ g- S* x Fa m+ b!/- fc- E rl!@+++ s! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:49:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Mitts Cypres Subject: Re: Liquid Diamonds lyrics >I go >I go inside a shell >I see its so >And you're doing oh so well these days >You do it again and I say >Its coming back again >Something like the >The saturday >Such was it >Can he bring those ______ I think it's chains And for some reason I thought it was "Honey bring me those chains" >Keep it back >Dead is done I always thought this line was "Daddy's done" >Preaching back into himself I thought this was "Preaching back and to himself" >And keep it just between us >Liquid >Liquid >Liquid My $0.02, jen === Sometimes I can hold my tongue sometimes not... - -"Honey", Tori Amos Thunder wishes it could be the snow Wishes it could be as loved as she can be... - -"Purple People", Tori Amos _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:28:15 EDT From: EvilTori@aol.com Subject: Tori mentioned in RS I got my RS today in the mail, it had one of the Star Wars things on it..I have no clue what it is..anyway, Tori was mentioned in an interview with Geri Halliwell..Here's the part she was in.. RS: What women in music do you think are sexy? Geri: "The ones with the sexiest minds. Tori Amos is quite sexy. She's provocative in a very sensual way, and she's pushing buttons. I quite like that." Of course she answers more, but none of it had to do with Tori =) Robyn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:30:07 -0500 From: "Mr Zebra" Subject: Liquid Diamonds Also thank you to everyone who helped with the Liquid Diamonds third verse lyrics. This is what I have come up with from the responses and listening to the song. down as I go I go inside a shell I see its so And you're doing oh so well these days You do it again and I say Its coming back again Something like that saturday Such was it Can he bring those chains Keep it back Daddy's done Preaching back into himself keep it just between us Liquid Thanks again. :-) Matthew and when we come we always come too late. I often think that we were born to hate. get up and see the sarcasm in my eyes. ICQ# 298707 mrzebra@fumblers.org http://surf.to/gotsarah - got Sarah? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:06:37 PDT From: "sheina kalinchak" Subject: orchestral accompaniment Regarding Joanne's quote below, it's actually not that hard to work out timing once you have played with a certain person or group as far as accompaniment goes. I majored in classical piano performance and once you have the "feel" for how someone plays, it's quite natural to just go along with them in timing and interpretations... so maybe there is hope yet for seeing Tori with strings... :) (not trying to be rude to joanne!!!) "However I think a better way to hear tori with an orchestra anyway would be recorded, not live ... that way no one would have timing (By this we are really talking about improvisations done by tori and the orchestra keeping up with them) problems and such." _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:45:39 EDT From: Cindy26471@aol.com Subject: Re: Accents In a message dated 5/29/99 8:10:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bayouorestes@yahoo.com writes: > I always noticed that too, and chalked it up to the > fact that she was perhaps talking about Birmingham, > Alabama, where there's a military base of some sort. > That's the "soldiers" she's talking about, at least on > one level. > > John John, I'm from Birmingham, AL and there's no military base here. A friend of mine asked Tori about it and she said she was talking about the B'ham in AL, not England. I heard someone once speculate that (and please don't kill me, I'm not the one who said this) she may have gotten pregnant while in Birmingham during the DDI tour since that date was 8/5/96 and she was over 3 months when she lost the baby in late December. It seems kind of harsh to me, but that's just one way to look at her use of Birmingham in the song. Cindy26471@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 22:10:05 GMT From: "Terry Ferrell" Subject: quick question Hey Trading Fans................Okay I know that this question has been asked probably a million and one times, but I have not noticed it and I want to know. About how much does a blank cd-r cost and where is the best place to get them at a low price but at a good quality. I am looking to stock on up them so I can do some 2:1 trading this summer, I want to enhance my Tori collection. Thanks in advance, Terry _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 16:29:20 -0700 (PDT) From: John Drummond Subject: "Liquid Diamonds" bridge lyric Okay, here's what I always thought it was: i call i go inside a shell i see it's so and you're doing oh so well these days you do it again and i say its coming back again something like the the saturday such was it can he bring me those chains keep it back Daddy's down preaching back into himself and keep it just between us ...the "Daddy's down" part I always assumed referenced Tori's father being extremely ill, and the "preaching back into himself" has to do with him rationalizing his own death, which ties into the baby's rationalizing *its* own death in "i guess i'm just an underwater thing so i guess i can't take it personally", like it was out of both Tori's and the baby's hands to leave her body. Somethin' like that... this is my favorite song from choirgirl because the metaphors in it are as murky and dark and the music... which is of course Tori's point... anyhow... back to the fun of whatever it was I was doing before all this... John === ain't no way i lost this war and ain't no way you won _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:15:33 EDT From: Lmwallgren@aol.com Subject: ticket trade Hello to you all. I hope everyone is having a wonderful day!! Lets see here... I have 1 spare ticket to the Irvine Medows show. The seat is located to the left of the stage in section 8 I think. It's in the middle section. I also might possibly have 1 second row ticket to the Bakersfield show. I was wondering if anyone had an extra seat ticket to the Concord Pavillion show because I wasn't able to get online on Friday to buy tickets, and now there is probably no good seats available. Anyways, thanks for the attention and email me back if you are whatsoever interested. Outstanding... Laura Lou ****your noodle, i know it holds a lot of information**** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:16:01 -0500 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: Fw: Tori on free MTV anti-violence cd Did anybody receive this yet? Daisy Dead Petals daislen@wctc.net "Please do not ask for water, as refusal often offends." - ----- Original Message ----- From: Pretty Silver Girl (by way of cinders blue ) To: the west in you Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 9:39 AM Subject: Tori on free MTV anti-violence cd > > I just saw on MTV that Tori is on some enhanced > anti-violence cd. You can get it for free by calling > 1-800-638-8736. > > the site > (http://www.mtv.com/nav/intro_antiviolence.html) says: > > MTV's Fight for Your Rights: Take a Stand Against > Violence CD/Action Guide features music by top artists > and contains information on how you can take a stand > in your community. To receive a free copy, call (800) > 638-8736. > > I don't see anything where you can order it online, > and I don't know if there's a catch or anything! > > *hugs* > Lamia > > Pigtails & All-http://listen.to/boysforpelel > The Tori Amos Webring Index: http://surf.to/torirings > __________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from ToriNews, e-mail torinews-request@smoe.org with the > word "unsubscribe" in the message body. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 10:28:15 GMT From: "Wake UpNeo" Subject: watchword (contains graphic descriptions of FGM) "peel out the watchword" Just one possible interp: Tori has said this song refers both to the actual atrocity of Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) which some tribes in Africa and elsewhere still practice; the act in case you haven't heard about it, is the slicing off of the young girl or young woman's, but usually small girls', outer sexual organs. :o( Varying in degrees of severity. Almost always done with NO type of anaesthesia at all, and in very unsanitary conditions (i.e. an old woman in a hut with a rusty knife, and other women holding the victim down). After the knife is used, then a large needle is used to roughly stitch the wound shut. And (refers) to the ways in which women can hurt and/or betray each other. This 'operation' is thought to confer future sexual purity upon the victim. Until marriage that is, when the wedding night is extremely painful for the new bride. Often the groom has to re cut open the old stitches and scar tissue with a knife, which he then proudly walks about the village with the next day. I'm not making any of this up, unfortunately !! OK so Tori read about all this in Alice Walker's book "Possessing the Secret of Joy", and felt whatever she felt about it... enough to write a song about it, because it symbolized (she's said in interviews) also how women are often the ones who hurt each other, or help in hurting each other. Not men, but women choosing to do the actual hurting. That sense of betrayal. And so when she sings, "peel out the watchword", i imagine rebellion in some quiet way. Or a wish for one. I can just imagine some little girl about to undergo this 'procedure', and she bands together with another girl, or someone who knows what's in store, helps others to escape it; but it has to be kept quiet til they escape cos in fact, in real life, women and girls who've tried to run away from this have either been forced to undergo it against their will (other ways are either tricking them into it without them knowing what will happen, and mothers often lie to their daughters about it, and the girls can be as young as four of five; or, pressuring them unmercifully; without it they can't marry and will be outcasts in the tribe), or, even killed. :o( So when i hear this line i envision someone that got away :o) or at least tried to. And a banding together of effort to escape this awful thing. K. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:12:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Bermel Subject: Re: Liquid Diamonds lyric problem Hi, Admittedly, I usually lurk, but I'll take a stab at this. I think the last (undocumented) verse goes like this: ... Liquid diamonds, I go, I go inside a shell, I see it's so And you're doing oh so well these days You do it again And I say it's coming back again Something like the - The Saturday(s), Such was it Can he bring me those chains? Keep it back, Daddy's gone: Preaching back into himself, And keep it just between us It's liquid, Liquid, Liquid. Although I don't feel like I fully understand this song (yet :), I can suggest a meaning and try to explain how these lyrics are consistent with it and Tori's background. As has been mentioned before, the combination of liquid, which flows to fill any container it's placed in, and diamonds, the hardest known substance, suggests a curious combination of stubbornness and flexibility. More specifically, I think Tori is saying a friend ("you") harbors a secret resolve masked by a great degree of flexibility. Tori did not quite take this approach in her life, but a less subtle one - "my mistake," perhaps. Several lines, "surrender, then start your engines," suggests an external passivity to be necessary for the goals her friend seeks. Also, "a lilac mess in your prom dress" suggests in my mind a teenage girl (her friend and/or her sister?) hiding a pregnancy from her parents - the same idea as before. Similarly, "there's a sea secret in me." However, the mask is imperfect - "it's plain to see that it is rising." Presumably, it becomes more apparent as the secret comes to fruition - thus, this friend orders herself: "I must be flowing." There is a cost to this approach, as I see it: others insult or degrade her in her passivity, since she's "an underwater thing," but she cannot take the actions of others "personally." Also, there's a risk she might take it personally after all, and destroy her carefully crafted illusion. The role of this other person who "still grants forgiveness" puzzles me a bit. It seems like it might make sense for the "friend" to be her sister, and the person who grants forgiveness is their mother. That would explain why the "offering is molasses" - a great deal of sweetness and self-loathing. Since Tori can't accept this, she "willingly forgot her." As for the lyrics I have at the top - I don't think they're as important, but still interesting. Tori says that she hid from her parents in her childhood while her sister appeased them (usually). Then, she asserts her sister is doing the same thing now, but her emotions will once again well up like they did in one Saturday incident, that resulted in disciplinary action (by her father). She (sarcastically?) asks for chains (a common theme in Tori songs - cf. Crucify). Tori then claims her sister should try to keep back her contempt, goals and secrets from her parents. Her father, in particular, is emotionally distant and preoccupied with himself, "preaching back into himself." Thus he probably won't notice if not told and won't react well if told. Thus Tori urges her sister to "keep it just between us." Thanks for reading - hope that isn't too confusing. :) Cheers, Peter Bermel - ------------------------------------------------------------ | Peter Bermel | 4109 Oak Park Rd. | | peter_bermel@unc.edu | Raleigh, NC 27612 | | http://www.unc.edu/~pbermel | (919) 781-7148 | - ------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 30 May 1999, Mr Zebra wrote: > > In the last verse of Liquid Diamonds, the one that is not listed in the > insert or the Tori Amos Lyrics Database, a friend of mine is having a > problem figuring out a word. I will give you all of what he gathered of the > verse and you edit and delete and change and add anything to what is right. > > I go > I go inside a shell > I see its so > And you're doing oh so well these days > You do it again and I say > Its coming back again > Something like the > The saturday > Such was it > Can he bring those ______ > Keep it back > Dead is done > Preaching back into himself > And keep it just between us > Liquid > Liquid > Liquid > > Thanks. :-) > Matthew > > and when we come we always come too late. > I often think that we were born to hate. > get up and see the sarcasm in my eyes. > > ICQ# 298707 > mrzebra@fumblers.org > http://surf.to/gotsarah - got Sarah? > http://surf.to/ssfumblas - SouthSide > > Cult of E Membership #138 > FuCS/DA exfe96 a+++ Ifte lms/txus r++ ps+++ bs t-- C++ w++ > p1 LF+/*** N++ cd80+ pr+ g- S* x Fa m+ b!/- fc- E rl!@+++ s! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 19:39:12 -0400 From: Tripp Gwyn Subject: I'd give millions I'd give all the money I have to hear Tori backed by an orchestra. Her album songs with strings are so great. I just hope the new album has more strings than Choigirl. Please don't flame me, I love Choirgirl, I just love strings also. Tripp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:04:45 EDT From: PusyKatNoz@aol.com Subject: Tori MP3's Does anyone know of any good Pages where I can get some Tori MP3's. I have a good many, So I am looking for some rare stuff. Thanks a bunch, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 20:20:46 -0400 From: skh1@mindspring.com Subject: Re: peel out the watchword it means to hastily warn everyone about something... it makes me think of paul revere who peeled out the watchword that the british were coming... ~~kelley Gud4AStorm@aol.com wrote: > "peel out the watchword" - This lyric has been recently nagging at me. > Does anyone have any possible interpretations for it? Thanks in advance! > > Michelle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 18:46:51 PDT From: "carmen riojas" Subject: Re: peel out the watchword all i can lend to it is that "watchword" is the English equivalent of "password". i've never been sure of the meaninbg of that lyric either >From: "Daisy Dead Petals" >Reply-To: "Daisy Dead Petals" >To: >Subject: peel out the watchword >Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:19:49 -0500 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Daisy Dead Petals >To: >Sent: Monday, May 31, 1999 10:19 AM >Subject: Re: peel out the watchword > > > > > "peel out the watchword" - This lyric has been recently nagging at >me. > > > Does anyone have any possible interpretations for it? Thanks in >advance! > > > > > > Michelle > > > > > > > Well now, this IS bizzare! I was going to post the VERY SAME THING! >Well, >I > > thought that it ment "'lets ignore what is horribly wrong?!' I think >not!". > > But I dunno. > > > > Daisy Dead Petals > > daislen@wctc.net > > > > "Please do not ask for water, > > as refusal often offends." > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 18:38:05 PDT From: "carmen riojas" Subject: Re: Liquid Diamonds lyric problem i think the word is "chains" >From: "Mr Zebra" >Reply-To: "Mr Zebra" >To: "Precious Things" >Subject: Liquid Diamonds lyric problem >Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:33:10 -0500 > > >In the last verse of Liquid Diamonds, the one that is not listed in the >insert or the Tori Amos Lyrics Database, a friend of mine is having a >problem figuring out a word. I will give you all of what he gathered of the >verse and you edit and delete and change and add anything to what is right. > >I go >I go inside a shell >I see its so >And you're doing oh so well these days >You do it again and I say >Its coming back again >Something like the >The saturday >Such was it >Can he bring those ______ >Keep it back >Dead is done >Preaching back into himself >And keep it just between us >Liquid >Liquid >Liquid > >Thanks. :-) >Matthew > >and when we come we always come too late. >I often think that we were born to hate. >get up and see the sarcasm in my eyes. > >ICQ# 298707 >mrzebra@fumblers.org >http://surf.to/gotsarah - got Sarah? >http://surf.to/ssfumblas - SouthSide > >Cult of E Membership #138 >FuCS/DA exfe96 a+++ Ifte lms/txus r++ ps+++ bs t-- C++ w++ >p1 LF+/*** N++ cd80+ pr+ g- S* x Fa m+ b!/- fc- E rl!@+++ s! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:34:30 EDT From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: orchestral accompaniment In a message dated 6/1/1999 7:17:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marsanderson@hotmail.com writes: << Regarding Joanne's quote below, it's actually not that hard to work out timing once you have played with a certain person or group as far as accompaniment goes. I majored in classical piano performance and once you have the "feel" for how someone plays, it's quite natural to just go along with them in timing and interpretations... so maybe there is hope yet for seeing Tori with strings... :) (not trying to be rude to joanne!!!) >> not rude at all - thats what I was trying to say - that they wouldn't have problems, I was replying to someone who had said that Tori would have a problem keeping in time with an orchestra. kisses, joanne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:52:56 EDT From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: peel out the watchword In a message dated 6/1/1999 8:21:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Gud4AStorm@aol.com writes: << Here's what Merriam-Webster has to say about "watchword": First appeared 15th Century. 1: a word or phrase used as a sign of recognition among members of the same society, class, or group. 2a: a word or motto that embodies a principle or guide to action of an individual or group : SLOGAN <"safety" is our ~>. 2b: a guiding principle >> Thanks for loooking this up for me, I was going to do it just to be 100% sure and also to type it for you guys so you would know what I'm talking about. I have always thought this to represent (I never even really thought about it, it was just always obvious to me) a situation that I'm sure most girls are familiar with ... when a group of girls gets together they typically like to segregate themselves from other girls who are unlike them and therfore weird or uncool, the watchword represents a statement, phrase, whatever that these girls have in a concious or unconcious attempt to exclude others from their group. And Tori is pretty much saying fuck the watchword, or bring it on because it means nothing to me. Just wondering, are there any guys out there who really really understand this song, because I know for me, even though its not my favorite musically, I can totally relate to what she is saying about what happens between girls ... because it is so unbelievably true. The funniest thing about this song is when (at a tori concert) I see unmistakably a 'cornflake girl' singing this song, having no idea what it means but singing anyway because it's the only song she knows the words too :) It's like a quote that I read years ago in a Tori interview where she said that little girls will go up to her in the streets and stuff saying "it's the cornflake girl" and she said something to the effect of "they don't get it, I'm a raisin girl" kisses, joanne ... who's off to hang with the raisin girls :) ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #159 *************************************