From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #142 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, May 16 1999 Volume 04 : Number 142 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [susan hamann ] Re: famous blue raincoat ["C. F." ] Re: Survey [Beulahsd@aol.com] RE: Prodigy, Tori, and smacking up bitches ["David Mobley" ] A Few Boot Questions... ["Shaigirl 19/f" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:12:05 -0400 From: susan hamann Subject: Re: Mark, This is a bunch of qoutes directly from Tori herself about the song space dog. If you are looking for info on other songs, you can look at the site Toriphoria!!! I hope this helps you out! pixie hugs, Susan "Space Dog: we've worshiped everything else, why not him?" (20) ~~ "I can see how Space Dog is tricky... But Space Dog's a mushroom trip." ~~ "Yes, that song ("Space Dog") is dedicated to Patti Smith and when I sing Where's Neil when you need him I'm talking about Neil Gaiman, the author of The Sandman-strip, one of our greatest writers. I also talked about him on Little earthquakes. Of Patti Smith I especially admired her energy, her life-power. Jimmy Page has helped me through my time on the conservatory by showing me there was also something else." (26b) ~~ K: Who is the Colonel? Tori: "'The Colonel.' These are all friends of mine." (80) ~~ "Talking about Dog Star and the information that has come through some of the medicine people about Orion and the wars that have happened there." (53) ~~ "In Space Dog when I make the reference to Neil Gaiman and Patti Smith, or when I say deck the halls, this is going into the past where I had visions of how I thought things would turn out. Always coming back to you the people that haunt you. 'It's you again, it's you again' or 'Is she still pissin' in a river, heard she'd moved into a trailer park' meaning didn't carry the torch as far as she could. The song is about giving your power to someone else - passing the torch." (53) ~~ "As far as Space Dog goes, it was a drawing on a mud wall in New Mexico. It was a shape, and it really was, if I could take a picture and show it to you sometime, the whole record was recorded in mud, mud walls, adobe and wood ceilings, wood floors, because Eric really loved the sound, which is why it sounds like it has that warm womb thing. Well, in one of the rooms, there was this - it's Space Dog. A feather on his head, and it's this sharp nose. It just really is. That's how so many of these songs came, in this Under the Pink world. If you rip all your skin off, we're all pink, and it's about what's underneath that. That's how I see it, anyway. Space Dog would come and visit me, just as my alternative deity, so to speak. The idea that everybody puts their faith in, I don't know, this yogi or this channel or this god or this saint or this whatever, well, Space Dog was like, hey, it's my deity. I was flying over Chicago. Before I got into the city, I was flying over, and I just felt this scene happening by this 7-11 I could see way in the distance. It was a very cold night. It was in March, and I was going in for a signing at Rose Records. I was flying in, and I felt this young boy, 13, 14 years old, with his family. He's eating peas. His family is like, some of those people that show up on Oprah Winfrey sometimes, that you just go, My God, if I had to go home with them, I would contemplate, like, eating Pledge. And I just felt his presence. I felt him just opening himself up to another possibility, because his world was just so closed. The best thing he had near him was the 7-11 goddess. I was just watching from the - I was in the window seat, and I was just watching, like, way down. I felt Space Dog. I've been talking to him, and I felt Space Dog going, 'Lemon pie. Coming through, lemon pie.' It was very Agent 99. I kind of felt like Agent 99 going, 'Oh, Max.' And this young man responded. There is something out there. The idea, again, with Pretty Good Year, there are a lot of triads in this whole record, and Pretty Good Year and Space Dog kind of kiss each other, where - let me focus my thought. In the bridge, 'Deck the halls,' going back again, to, again, not having resolve. 'I'm young again. Somewhere, someone must know the ending. Where's Neil when you need him?' You know, that's all in that. 'Is she still pissing in the river now?' Patti Smith. 'Heard she'd gone, moved into a trailer park.' Concept being, somebody that had all of these beliefs, and then just numbed themselves. And Space Dog's philosophy is, well, together, when I'm hanging out with him, it's, 'So sure we were on something. Your feet are finally on the ground, he said.' That's Space Dog's philosophy. And in the counter-vocal in the end goes, again, the betrayal stuff, mostly girls, and yet, if I'm in the present, and I'm on something, which is on the earth, on the ground, then I have total opportunity to decide what my reaction will be. I can't decide anything else, but I can decide if I'm going to let something totally take over my life, which it did in The Waitress. But by Space Dog, I'm going, I do have a choice. It's part of the growth." (21) ~~ "Flying over Chicago from New Mexico, I heard him - him who lives near the 7-eleven, fork in hand at a dead dinner table, staring at the peas on his plate going, 'come in lemon pie do you read me do you read me? Beam me up, get me out of this place, I can't have their genesin me. Come in lemon pie.' - I read you buddy." (14) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 00:42:58 EDT From: "C. F." Subject: Re: famous blue raincoat The tribute album that Tori's on is called Tower Of Song: Songs of Leonard Cohen. Cheerios! Carly >From: "Wake UpNeo" >Reply-To: "Wake UpNeo" >To: precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: famous blue raincoat (delurking) >Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 06:37:02 GMT > > >Famous Blue Raincoat is a song by Leonard Cohen. > >He is a French-Canadian poet, who tried to sell songs in the 60s and i think >it was Joni Mitchell who told him (after he'd sung one to her to try and >sell it) he should sing them himself. So he did. > >He has quite a following too (i recommend highly the cds The Best of Leonard >Cohen, or, Songs from a Room). And there have been two tribute albums to >him, where other artists record his songs. > >The first tribute album (i can't remember its name sorry even tho i have it >! but i can't find it) has a song by Tori. This is where you can find her >version (except for boots). She sings Famous Blue Raincoat, a song by Cohen >about a time spent living in New York City written as if a letter to a >friend. > >Hope this helped. > >A cd search on the name Tori then click on compilations; or even on the name >Leonard Cohen, might lead you to it. On cd.now or amazon.com. > > >K. > > >PS) i'm delurking; hi ! :o) > >"I could be wrong i could be right >I could be black i could be white >May the road rise with you" > > --PiL > >"Anger is an energy" --PiL > >"So shines a good deed, in a weary world." >--Gene Wilder as Willy Wonka; "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate > Factory" > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:40:40 EDT From: Beulahsd@aol.com Subject: Re: Survey i forgot Bee Sides!! 1. Etienne 2. Take To The Sky 3. Cooling 4. Mary Peace and Tori, Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:30:44 -0500 From: "David Mobley" Subject: RE: Prodigy, Tori, and smacking up bitches > I don't know if anyone has ever mentioned this, but just to clear up > anything, the only two lines in "Smack my Bitch Up" (change my > picture/smack my bitch up) have nothing to do with relationship > (or any kind > of) abuse. "Smack my bitch up" is supposedly some sort of British slang. > The example I heard would be like if some guy comes home from > work and he's > just exhausted and had a bad day, he's be like "ah! smack me bitch up! bad > day!"...I don't remember word for word, but I'm pretty sure...but > as far as > I know, it is not a degrading statement towards women. personally, when I read that quote, I was a little saddned at Tori's ignorance. The two "lines" in the song, are a SAMPLE from a song by the Ultramagnetic MC's "Give the Drummer Some". The lines are "Change my pitch up, smack my bitch up", and in the song, the line after it is "Like a Pimp". The Ultramagnetic MC's, as well as the lead rapper Kool Keith/Dr. Octagon/Black Elvis/Dr. Dooom/etc are a rap outfit that more or less makes fun of urban society, rapping, and a lot of other things, and the original song wasn't taken any more seriously than any other song. Somehow, some retard media person, as well as the rest of the ignorant public in the world think that "The Prodigy" had something to do with the creation of the lyric (in reality Prodigy is one guy, Liam Howlett, he's a DJ, and his voice hasn't to date been on any Prodigy tracks, only the other guys, Keith and Maxim have and they were only dancers till Prodigy sold out and made fat of the land). If some idiot wants to think that using a sample that says "smack my bitch up" is derogatory and demaning towards women, I want to see the torches burning for Mob movies, urban gangster movies, and other things that are FAR worse than using one slightly misunderstandable sample in a song. It really sickens me how many people ASSume things and form a rock solid opinion on things without knowing anything except what they hear on Entertainment Tonight. Unfortunately, Tori's one of them in this case. Prodigy didn't do it to "be hard", it was just used cause Liam's a huge fan of Kool Keith and they wanted something on the album to possibly "shock" people. Big deal. (I think I said something like this when the track actually came out a couple years ago, but nobody seemed to care then, probably won't now.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 12:00:22 EDT From: Beulahsd@aol.com Subject: (no subject) Does anyone know how to get the antiviolence c.d. i don't remember where to got to sign up for it... Peace and Tori, Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:53:02 EDT From: Beulahsd@aol.com Subject: Re: enhanced "Jackie's Strength" single I just recently bought this, i haven't listened to the whole thing yet, but so far so good!! Peace and Tori, Sarah I also got my hands on a copy of Tori in Conversation CD. It is so good. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:35:42 EDT From: Beulahsd@aol.com Subject: Re: survey this was Fun!! Peace and Tori, Sarah L.E. 1. Tear In Your Hand 2. Crucify 3. Precious Things 4. Silent All These Years UTP 1. Cornflake Girl 2. The Waitress 3. Space Dog 4. Icicle BFP 1. Blood Roses 2. Putting The Damage On 3. Talula 4. In The SpringTime Of His Vodoo FTCH 1. Playboy Mommy 2. iieee 3. She's Your Cocaine 4. Raspberry Swirl Cover 1. Do It Again ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 07:01:23 -0400 From: "~Wendi~" Subject: Re: survey LE 1. Girl 2. Mother 3. Precious Things 4. Tear in Your Hand UTP 1. Yes, Anastasia 2. The Wrong Band 3. The Waitress 4. Cloud on my Tongue BfP 1. Professional Widow 2. In the Springtime of His Voodoo 3. Talula 4. Little Amsterdam FtCH 1. She's Your Cocaine 2. Hotel 3. Cruel 4. Playboy Mommy B-Sides 1. Beulah Land 2. Sister Janet 3. Ode to the Banana King 4. Bachelorette Cover Song 1. Do it Again ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 09:05:52 PDT From: "Shaigirl 19/f" Subject: A Few Boot Questions... <1> I'm still looking for "West Lafayette 10.31.98" & "Indianapolis 11.30.98"! (I've looked into Danica, but her site says she's not accepting trades.) <2> I'm also looking for Y Kant Tori Read & Other Rarities, Dew Drop Inn: Boulder, CO, and Tori Stories! <3> Can somebody please tell me how to subscribe to the "Tori-Boot" mailing list? PLEASE NOTE: I'm interested in CD format only!!! "I can be cruel I don't know why." -Tori Amos * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * Shaigirl 19/f * shaigirl79@hotmail.com Confessions... * http://glenmar.com/~mmb AOL IM: Shaigirl79 * ICQ#: 7032035 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #142 *************************************