From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #101 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, April 7 1999 Volume 04 : Number 101 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Tori picture on Ebay authentic?? [Wish920898@aol.com] sugar remix site?? [HapyFantm@aol.com] Tori Homemade Backgrounds ["Terry Ferrell" ] Re: perfect pitch - sightreading [XXXPandora@aol.com] Re: Beenie Baby...I'm her man.... [Jennifer Lynn Roth ] Re: (Tori-boot) sugar remix site?? [Junyor ] Re: Beenie Baby...I'm her man.... [Thisbe5716@aol.com] Re: perfect pitch - sightreading [skh1 ] Re: Beenie Baby...I'm her man.... ["Megasusİ" ] Caught A Lite Sneeze ["Shaigirl 19/f" ] Re: sister janet, here in my head, northern lad,albums ["Megasusİ" ] Re: sister janet, here in my head, northern lad,albums ["Terry Ferrell" <] RE: sister janet and kate chopin [Meredith Neal ] Re: Beenie Baby...I'm her man.... [skh1 ] Cooling, bisexuals, the Dent Forum [Soraya Quiroga ] Re: Beenie Baby...I'm her man.... ["Plain Jane" ] Re: Tori picture on Ebay authentic?? [XXXPandora@aol.com] Re: Cooling, bisexuals, the Dent Forum [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: silent all these years single [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: sugar remix site?? [ToriBoi@aol.com] Re: Spark [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: sister janet, here in my head, northern lad,albums [Thisbe5716@aol.co] Re: Tori picture on Ebay authentic?? [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: Tori picture on Ebay authentic?? ["Anya Horine" ] Re: Tori picture on Ebay authentic?? ["Megasusİ" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 07:58:36 EDT From: Wish920898@aol.com Subject: Tori picture on Ebay authentic?? I'm just browsing through Ebay and came across this 'picture of tori' but I'm having a hard time believing it's her. i may be completely wrong though..maybe it is her? Can anyone clear this up? here's the web addy: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=87865860 love n tori. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 03:15:59 EDT From: HapyFantm@aol.com Subject: sugar remix site?? Hi guys. There was a letter posted a while ago about a site that had a sugar remix. I went there and there was a bunch of remixes. My computer froze up and I lost the page thoough. could someone please reply privately with the URL? I'd really appriciate it!!! The site was called something like "The Beautiful Tori Amos...and a Gun" or something (SORRY if I butchered it). thanks much!! shawn.the.little.masochist... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 15:32:51 PDT From: "Terry Ferrell" Subject: Tori Homemade Backgrounds I found something intersting while surfing the net yestday. Go and check out this website: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/7873/index.com There are many different Tori backgrounds that you can set as wallpaper on your desktop, some of them are very cool. When you get time make sure you check this out. Terry _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:10:17 EDT From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: perfect pitch - sightreading In a message dated 4/6/1999 11:11:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, handal@min.net writes: << To the person who said that Tori writes music therefore she can read music, I want to say that I've seen nothing to indicate that Tori composes by any means other than through playing music. I have every reason to believe she does not compose on paper, the same as Paul McCartney--who has said in interviews that he doesn't *want* to learn to read music because he fears it would stunt his creativity--does not. >> Exactly what I was trying to say! :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:16:43 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Lynn Roth Subject: Re: Beenie Baby...I'm her man.... Well, Tori is not a lesbian, not even bi. It is possible to be "in love" with somone of the same sex and not sleep with them and not be gay. She was quoted once in saying "I'm in love with my woman friends, I just don't eat pussy". It is the sexual attraction to the sexes that determines your sexual orientation, not the love you feel for them. If it had to do with love, then we'd all be classified as gay. Shoot, I'm not sleeping with my roommate (a girl) but I am in love with her and we are just like a married couple. Our boyfriends understand. As for Tori mentioning Beenie more than she mentions Mark, Beenie's been in her life longer and is maybe more open to having her relationship with Tori defined for Tori's fans. I don't know, this is just a guess. Just my $0.02 Faery blessings, Jenn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 09:13:44 -0400 From: Junyor Subject: Re: (Tori-boot) sugar remix site?? At 03:15 AM 4/7/99 , HapyFantm@aol.com wrote: >Hi guys. There was a letter posted a while ago about a site that had a sugar >remix. I went there and there was a bunch of remixes. My computer froze up >and I lost the page thoough. could someone please reply privately with the >URL? I'd really appriciate it!!! The site was called something like "The >Beautiful Tori Amos...and a Gun" or something (SORRY if I butchered it). The remix is located at http://home.ican.net/%7Ephaedrus/tori/frameset.html. The site is called Tori's Beauty ..and a gun. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:34:50 EDT From: Thisbe5716@aol.com Subject: Re: Beenie Baby...I'm her man.... I think you are right about there being some controversy about this one! Tori has said repeatedly that she is in love with her girlfriends. Does this mean that she has some secret affair going on with them? Of course not! I think that, if you think about it, we are all in love with our friends in some way. My best friend and I are just as close as Tori and Beenie seem to be, and we've never slept together (well, we've shared a bed, but there was nothing funky going on.... not that there is anything wrong with that....) I am just as committed to her as I would be to my husband, if I were married. I think that Tori just chooses to talk about her friendships in an unusual way, which makes sense, because Tori talks about EVERYTHING in an unusual way! I think that the reason she told the story was because she was about to do "Raspberry Swirl" ... which, IMHO, is a big kick in the ass for a lot of men (or women) out there! "If you want inside her well, boy you'd better make her raspberry swirlllllll......" Nuff said! (I'll be glad to explain to anybody who wants to ask...just email me!) That's my two cents, for what it's worth! Bye for now! Amy ** everybody knows i'm her friend ** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 09:43:20 -0400 From: skh1 Subject: Re: perfect pitch - sightreading hi richard... Richard Handal wrote: > That's not true. Tori had someone transcribe the lyrics from the record > so she could learn the words, and she and Steve Caton learned the song > from listening to it. (She ended up playing it solo, however. Although > she brought paper with the lyrics on them with her to the piano, they > fell down during the song and she continued unimpeded. I was there.) :) i was there too... she played looking at her notes for a bit, stammered some, but when thenotes fell on the floor, she just winged it, and it was great... she did a lot of Bs and covers that night... i was in heaven :) cheers and warm blankets ~~kelley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 21:48:13 -0700 From: "Megasusİ" Subject: Re: Beenie Baby...I'm her man.... becky wrote: > I'm not bisexual because I can't imagine > making out with a girl - I've tried and it just switches to boys and I'm > pretty happy with my boy - but I would indeed classify myself as a Rasberry > Swirl girl. Thank you, Tori, for giving it a name. It's perfectly natural > to have crushes on your lady friends. I never saw it that way, but that's an awesome insight. I guess I could call myself a Raspberry Swirlgirl too, then. I wont go into it, though. :) > I don't know if this makes it less confusing. It seems natural to me. I > don't have the friendships of these women anymore - maybe because they felt > the same and it just wasn't going anywhere, the normal friendship was > ruined. I don't know if I could talk about it intimately with my friends > like that. i've told my boyfriend, and he understands so I'm sure Mark does > to. I think that's awesome. It totally makes sense... and I'm not sure if that's exactly how Tori meant it.. but it sure sounds good to me. I'd love to hear Tori speak about the song... I've loved the song since I first heard it, and I figured it had something to do with that... On another note, somebody else mentioned how people get labled as 'homosexual' 'bisexual' and the sort... My thoughts are that nobody should be labled, or force to choose what or who they are. Who you are is naturally developed over time.. and if you're attracted to the same sex at some point, it doesn't necessarily make you gay or bi... it just means you're going through life, experimenting with all your feelings and I think it's totally natural.. and maybe Tori does love Beene as more than just a friend.. because Beene is her best friend, and I know my best friend was the most important person in my life until she moved away... and when she did move, I lost myself... I don't think I've found myself again, either. Anyway.. enough babble. Point is, I think you have a wonderful grasp on what the song means, Becky.. thanks for that insight... :) - -- ^_~Megasus~_^ http://members.xoom.com/Megasus/ ICQ# 14241089 *~The Divine Princess of the Church of Daughter-chan!~* *~List Admin of the Xelloss-Lovers ML!~* "I've been raisin' up my hands, drive another nail in.. got enough guilt to start my own religion.." -Tori Amos "Just when you escape, you have yourself to fear.." -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:45:22 PDT From: "Shaigirl 19/f" Subject: Caught A Lite Sneeze Hiya! Okay, so lately the only cd I've had in my player has been Tori's Sessions boot. What can I say, I'm in love with the music. I just love the live version of "Caught A Lite Sneeze". But I have a question about it. Listening to the track, at the 1:10 mark (time remaining) she does a little adlib thing where she spazes out and starts saying "I hurt myself today" "you're full of shit" or whatever. Does anyone know *exactly* what she says in that area? Also, does she always do that part when she performs that song live? I've only been lucky enough to goto one of her concerts and that song wasn't played. I was just wondering b/c that's always been a favorite of mine and I've never heard it live until now and I love how that last part just gives it *so* much more emotion. ~Shaigirl http://glenmar.com/~mmb _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 21:42:26 -0700 From: "Megasusİ" Subject: Re: sister janet, here in my head, northern lad,albums becky wrote: > I'd go so far as to reverse the order of the seasons and I'll give some > examples as to why. Thanks for your insights, Erin. I was gonna say something about this before, and now I have to. :) > Alrighty - Little Earthquakes would be about winter - the song, the China > video, and the general mood of the whole thing. That sounds about right to me.. > UTP - Fall. Most of the videos from that time are set in a fall-like > season. There are dried, colorful leaves around Tori's hair. I actually see UTP as more of Spring.. and FtCH as Fall... I know the seasons would be out of order that way, but that's how I see it... UTP is very spring-ish for me.. the music.. just gives me a feel of spring. Makes me think of Easter, and April... flowers and sunshine. > BfP - Check out the artwork and the general steaminess of the album. > Summer, definitely. Summer in the catskills. Way down in the hot south. That sounds right too.. I love that picture with Tori standing in front of the burning piano... seems like summer to me.. :) > FtCGH - spring - she deals with the rebirth of all she's done thus far, as > well as dealing with death. The Spark video is very springy. That's true.. but I see this album as more fall-ish.. the Spark video has lots of trees, leaves.. seems kinda like fall too me.. the setting isn't too bright and sunny like spring would be.. when I think of spring, I think of sunshine and new flowers, and FtCH doesn't do that for me... so I would say UTP is spring and FtCH is fall.. and the other two sound right to me.. I mean.. the song 'Winter' on LE kinda gives that one away. But even so... when I listen to Winter, I think of spring... "Boys get discovered as winter melts.. flowers competing for the sun".... I see that as spring as well. Who knows. :) I do have another question though -- I was listening to Tori talk about Honey.. she said it was supposed to be on the album UTP... yet I see it as a b-side for BFP.. (on the HJ single and another.. I forget which..) So what happened there? Any idea why Honey wasn't a UTP b-side? I'm still fascinated with Sister Janet though... :) Sister Janet and Honey are a couple of my favorite b-sides.. and i especially love the live versions. :) - -- ^_~Megasus~_^ http://members.xoom.com/Megasus/ ICQ# 14241089 *~The Divine Princess of the Church of Daughter-chan!~* *~List Admin of the Xelloss-Lovers ML!~* "I've been raisin' up my hands, drive another nail in.. got enough guilt to start my own religion.." -Tori Amos "Just when you escape, you have yourself to fear.." -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 15:26:36 PDT From: "Terry Ferrell" Subject: in the springtime of HER voodoo Hey All, Today I bought this cd of Tori entitle "In the Springtime of Her Voodoo." It is a collection of mostly boys for pele songs performed on the radio. I am posting the meeage for anyone else who may also have this cd. My cd as the songs on the back in the wrong order than what they are played on the cd. If anyone has the cd, could you please write me and let me know if your songs are in the wrong order as well, or if I just happened to het a Speical Copy. Also, reading the message about the Q magizine article reminded me of something that happended the other month. At a local newspaper in my county a student wrote a review for FTCGH, but the review said that on the album, Tori calls Luicier "father" scolds God, and rejects communion for masterbation. It seems to me that this student has got FTCGH mixed up with Tori's previous 2 albums Terry _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 15:10:49 PDT From: "Terry Ferrell" Subject: Re: sister janet, here in my head, northern lad,albums They albums may very well be a season, but you say that the UTP album represents fall, what about the Caught A Lite Sneeze video, Tori is laying in a pile of leaves in that video as well. What if each album goes thorugh every season change. Just something else to think about :-) Terry >From: becky >Reply-To: becky >To: precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: Re: sister janet, here in my head, northern lad,albums >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 20:19:31 -0400 > > >I'd go so far as to reverse the order of the seasons and I'll give some >examples as to why. Thanks for your insights, Erin. > >Alrighty - Little Earthquakes would be about winter - the song, the China >video, and the general mood of the whole thing. > >UTP - Fall. Most of the videos from that time are set in a fall-like >season. There are dried, colorful leaves around Tori's hair. > >BfP - Check out the artwork and the general steaminess of the album. >Summer, definitely. Summer in the catskills. Way down in the hot south. > >FtCGH - spring - she deals with the rebirth of all she's done thus far, as >well as dealing with death. The Spark video is very springy. > >Anyway, just some ideas - catch ya later. > >becky > > >> >>One last thing: in the discussion of what each album represents, has anybody >>thought they could be seasons? I see it this way: >>LE=spring >>UtP=summer >>BfP=fall >>FtCH=winter > >> _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:20:01 -0500 From: Meredith Neal Subject: RE: sister janet and kate chopin a thing that catches my eye. In The Awakening, one of the main symbols is a bird flying. Mademoiselle Reisz talks to Edna, the main character, about how strong a bird must be to fly, that only when it's wings are strong can it fly away. Edna's safehaven, the home away from her family, is refered to as the pigeon house. And at the end of the novel, the most heartaching image is her looking out and seeing a bird with a broken wing, "a bird with a broken wing was beating the air above, reeling, fluttering, circling disabled down, down to the water." I think back to the lyrics of "sister janet": and all those up there are making it look so easy With your perfect wings A wing can cover all sorts of things This again Well I think I could try this again Just another late-night thought, meredith - -----Original Message----- From: Belle7719@aol.com [SMTP:Belle7719@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 8:29 PM To: precious-things@smoe.org Subject: sister janet and kate chopin i read that book, it's a disturbingly beautiful book. "the awakening" it's called. it's about the spiritual liberation of a woman in the eighteen or seventeen hundreds, back when corsets and petticoats weren't all that confined women. anyways -- I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT HOW IT ENDS TO RELATE IT TO "SISTER JANET" SO IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE BOOK AND DON'T WANT ME TO RUIN IT, DON'T SCROLL DOWN!! *warning it's really long, read only if severely bored* * ** *** **** ***** ****** ******** ******** ********* ********** okies. so like i was saying, the main character in this book, her name escapes me at this moment, is a very depressed woman. she feels trapped in her marriage, suffocated by her children. she stays at the beach with her family and some friends nearby and goes through the motions of being in touch with society, but nothing makes her happy till she meets this young guy, whom she befriends and ends up falling in love with. but of course they can't be together. even though he makes half hearted plans with her to run away, he ends up chickening out or sumthin and in the lowest state she's ever been, she somehow finds the stregth to sever the ties that bind her to her unhappiness, and she walks calmly down to the shoreside and wades out farther and farther till the waves reach far over her head, and then she just surrenders her life and body to the ocean. so she commits suicide at the end.. now. marianne, the girl that tori talks about in this song, "sister janet," and also in the same titled song on Boys for Pele, supposedly committed suicide by drug overdose. tori speaks of marianne as being a wonderful person full of love for everyone. yet she must have been deeply unhappy inside to do so many drugs. i'm with tori when she says she doesn't think it's that marianne committed suicide, that it was an accident. so to relate this song to "the awakening," i think that tori must have read it, and she saw how the peripheral character of sister janet really had a lot of power in the book although she's not a main character, and she penned this incredible song about living a lie, how "a wing can cover all sorts of things." there are a lot of references to suicide in this song, such as the "blade slipping in" part, the marianne reference, and to me the candles part, i don't know why. it makes me think of the solemnity associated with them, the sanctity and silence of a church during a funeral, beauty in the face of death. the book is like that. it ends with a death, something we recoil and shudder at, yet it is written so beautifully that we succumb to it, accept it. much like the ill-fated character succumbs to her watery grave. and now go read the lyrics to "sister janet" that i've posted below and see if you can piece together my disjointed rambling. :)~ ta ta annie "Sister Janet" Master Shaman, I have come with my dolly from the shadow side with a demon and an Englishman, I'm my mother I'm my son nobody else is slipping the blade in easy nobody else is slipping the blade in the marmalade but all the angels and all the wizards, black and white, are lighting candles in our hands can you feel them, yes, touching hands before our eyes and I can even see sweet Marianne Sister Janet, you have come from the women clothed with the sun your veil is quietly becoming non Call the Wanderer he has gone and all those up there are making it look so easy with your perfect wings A wing can cover all sorts of things this again well I think I could try this once again but all the angels and all the wizards, black and white, are lighting candles in our hands can you feel them, yes, touching hands before our eyes and I can even see sweet Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 09:53:08 -0400 From: skh1 Subject: Re: Beenie Baby...I'm her man.... hi carly... "C. Franklin" wrote: > ...It was shocking to me that if she is "in love" > with Beenie, like she says plainly (and repeatedly I might add) that she > would be married to Mark who we hardly ever hear a word about. ever consider the possibility that she is polyamorous? it is possible to be in love with several people at once, and be committed to them... it is also possible to have sex with members of the same sex and not be gay or bi... and it is possible to love all sorts of people deeply, passionately, and not have sex with any or all of them... > ...because it would indeed make things hard on her with her > father being a minister and all. it seems that she gave up caring about what her father thinks of her long ago... > But, everyone has their weaknesses, too. some relationships can not be defined. perhaps this is all she is saying, and there's no weakness at all... > ... I mean....in my opinion, if you > love your friend in a friendly way, you don't describe it that way. I > am just wondering if anyone knows more about this.... why must it be defined at all? why try to label it, or pin it down, tori, or any love? everyone has their own definitions, and that is fine, as long as it works for the people they are intimately involved with, regardless of the level of intimacy.... > .....I've watched it several times to be objective > and not take it that way, but I just can't take it any other! It's just > so cut and dry as far as I can see. i've never seen much of anything that was cut and dried... like i said before, sometimes you have relationships with some people that will never be able to be explained or defined... thereinlies the magick of that relationship. maybe that is all tori is saying... be well ~~kelley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 16:43:52 -0500 From: Soraya Quiroga Subject: Cooling, bisexuals, the Dent Forum Yeah, I'm feeling expansive today, in case you can't tell...as usual I'm sitting at work, listening to a Tori boot, looking busy and reading your fascinating posts. A few thoughts: Cooling...someone mentioned that this was supposed to be on BfP. But did she perform it at all during DDI? Cuz I don't think I have it if she does, and seeing as how this is one of my favorite songs, I'd really like to know. At the Portland '98 show, she mentions she wrote this while living in England and falling in love with Mark, which would make it fit chronologically with BfP, if not with the general mood of the album. Secondly, nice to see a few grrls out there understanding what Tori meant about her feelings for Beenie. I watched Storytellers with a male friend, and didn't blink an eye during the Beenie stuff, but he yelled, "She's a dyke!" No way! It's silly, all these labels, and I don't think Tori is trying to "hide" her bisexuality as much as she is flaunting her glorious inability to pigeonholed. I have some girlfriends that I'm in love with, and other girl friends that I just love -- I dare say most girls have similar relationships. I've been called bi before, which makes me roll my eyes, but not everyone is going to understand. I think Tori is lucky to have a girlfriend she loves as much as Beenie, and if they make kissy face too, more power to them. And the Dent Forum...any of you guys ever check that place out? It's pretty cool. There's some interesting discussion and the threads can be easier to follow than on a mailing list. It's not all Tori...Mikewhy, who moderates it, has it broken down into different categories...for example, one recent touching (really), thought provoking thread was about Why are guys such assholes? (That sounded sarcastic...it wasn't...a heartbroken girl wanted some answers and met some sympathetic people in the process). It always seems to be the same 12 people writing though, so if you haven't checked it out, go to the link on the Dent. Well. Back to the grind. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 01:01:45 PDT From: "Heather Parsons" Subject: Season of Tori Hello, Well, since I wrote that whole elemnetal bit, I thought I'd elaborate on the seasons thing...it's fascinating to me, really. Cycles, cycles, why is that Byrds song running through my head...? Turn, turn, turn... Becky wrote: >I'd go so far as to reverse the order of the seasons >and I'll give some examples as to why. Thanks for >your insights, Erin. >Alrighty - Little Earthquakes would be about winter - >the song, the China video, and the general mood of the >whole thing. >UTP - Fall. Most of the videos from that time are set >in a fall-like season. There are dried, colorful leaves >around Tori's hair. >BfP - Check out the artwork and the general steaminess >of the album. Summer, definitely. Summer in the catskills. >Way down in the hot south. >FtCGH - spring - she deals with the rebirth of all she's >done thus far, as well as dealing with death. The Spark >video is very springy. Actually, I was thinking the Spark video was rather fall/winter- esque, but that's a whole other enchilada. ;) I guess the seasonal connotations one draws really depend on the background you're coming from, and when I did the element thing, I was taking it from a Celtic mythology standpoint. So this interpretations is along those same lines, I guess. Each album certainly has a certain "feel" to it that could associate them with seasons, but I guess if you view it in the great cyclical way of things...well, let me see if I can explain this well, which I prolly won't, but oh well. ;) In mythology, Celtic specifically, here's how the seasons go: Fall -- Water, Healing, Emotions, Fertility, Communing with Spirit Winter -- Earth, Surrendering, Consciousness Spring -- Air, Revealing the Truth, Knowledge, Thought, Movement Summer -- Fire, Energy, Sexuality, Passion, Destruction So, I'd rank the albums this way: Winter -- Little Earthquakes - -- Tori had to surrender herself to the piano, and to all of the things she had buried inside. Winter is also what the Celts refer to as "Night." And Tori was in the dark for a bit, and the piano was the light shining through. Winter is also the time to become aware of yourself, and to realize who you are after everything around you "physically" (in representation, of course) has died. Old Tori had died to let Real Tori break on through. This is best represented in "Me and a Gun" and "Little Earthquakes" ("disintegration"), and of course, "Winter." Spring -- Under the Pink - -- I was inclined to say UTP was the Fall album, too, but it fits Spring a bit better. Spring is the time you become fully conscious -- so Tori-wise, in Under the Pink she became more inherently aware of her relationships with women, and women with each other in general. Also, if you're into Astrology, Air signs are repped by Spring, and they are the Intellectuals of the Zodiac. (Uh oh! I'm getting New Age here! Someone put a gun in my mouth!) Tori talks about a lot of "other" people in this album than she did with LE, which was highly internalized. She talks about Greg, her fellow "blanket girl", God, Mary Magdalene, the girl who's "in the wrong band", The Waitress, Anastasia, the Space Dog (in a sense)...it's highly observational. The bee sides for this album are much the same way, from what I've noticed. She's viewing herself through the pink lens (oooh -- pink! lol) and applying what she sees to herself, in a very roundabout way. Summer -- Boys For Pele - -- I think Pele is pretty much a no-brainer. It speaks for itself. Every emotion in human response is represented on this album, but you'll notice that "Twinkle" very much leads into FTCH, in hindsight. It's that glimmer of hope amidst the chaos. This album is raging with passion and sexuality and anger and the shadow side of feminity, yet it's never ashamed. It is very alive. I think Tori was burning parts of herself away with this album, and calling those parts "the boys." Pele was hungry in '95, so Tori offered up the platter in '96, eh? ;) Fall -- From the Choirgirl Hotel - -- This album is very much the healing album, I think everyone agrees on that. And there's the water theme running throughout -- she's got the knowledge, and she's spreading it. "You don't need a spaceship...", "Bring your sister, if you can't handle it", "I guess I'm an underwater thing but I guess I can't take it personally...", "Why does there gotta be a sacrifice?", "And I learned what black magic can do", "Girls you've got to know when it's time to turn the page, when you're only wet because of the rain", "I have to learn to let you crash down", "Boy, I think you're confused -- I'm not Persephone", and, everyone's favorite, "If you want inside her world, boy, you better make her raspberry swirl." She's met all her demons, she's faced them down, and she decided to let the water regenerate her instead of drowning in it. Fall is for new beginnings -- it's the beginning of the end. She's met the Master Shaman, and she's learned the trade. I think this is what Erin had originally, actually. lol ;) Sorry if I rambled, but I'm fascinated by how other perceive this. Heather ============================== "We're trash, you and me, We're the litter in the breeze, We're the lovers on the street..." - -- Trash (Suede) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 10:55:38 EDT From: "Plain Jane" Subject: Re: Beenie Baby...I'm her man.... i don't think she means that she is gay or lesbian or anything to that effect. what i take it as is a friendship that is so intense it's like a relationship. i have one of those with my bestestfriendkathryn we aren't just joined at the hip, but we are married. we think the same, we talk the same, we do everything together, there isn't anything in the world i wouldn't do for her, and viseversa. it's intense that way. i think that's what she means with beene. it's a lot of work to have a friendship like that.. and it's tough to have the kind of friendship, and then get married. i guess her husband really understands the friendship, and isn't afraid of that. a lot of girls lose friendships over boys. and it's really sad. i'm glad to see tori hasn't... wiggle. just mho. barb. *snipit* >I am so confused! I know that I have read interviews with Tori in which >she said that she has never slept with another woman but did anyone >else notice how her eyes lit up when she was talking about Beenie? She >was positively glowing. It was shocking to me that if she is "in love" >with Beenie, like she says plainly (and repeatedly I might add) that she >would be married to Mark who we hardly ever hear a word about. I am not >saying that she is secretly gay and doesn't want to come out or anything >like that. But, even if she were, I'm not sure she'd choose to admit to >everyone anyway because it would indeed make things hard on her with her >father being a minister and all. At least, that's how I see it. I >mean, we all know Tori is not one to hide or lie on anyone's behalf. >But, everyone has their weaknesses, too. > >Also, I thought it was strange how she started out saying, "I play a >certain role with some of my female friends..." and then goes on to say, >"I hope my dad's not watching.......you just have to get used to the >idea of gays and lesbians...." etc. and then starts talking about how >she's "absolutely married" to Beenie. I mean....in my opinion, if you >love your friend in a friendly way, you don't describe it that way. I >am just wondering if anyone knows more about this.... > >I am sure that there's going to be some controversy about this.....bring >it on! ;-) I am curious to know what other people took from what you >said. And, believe me....I've watched it several times to be objective >and not take it that way, but I just can't take it any other! It's just >so cut and dry as far as I can see. > >I look forward to hearing everyone else's voice on this one. > >Cheerios! >Carly > >Tori Amos - Perfectly Windy Sky >http://www.geocities.com/bourbonstreet/delta/7904/torimain.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:22:57 EDT From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori picture on Ebay authentic?? yes this is Tori -- from sometime in the 80's thats what she looked like then :) kisses, ~*joanne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 19:51:57 -0400 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Cooling, bisexuals, the Dent Forum At 04:43 PM 4/7/99 -0500, Soraya Quiroga wrote: >A few thoughts: Cooling...someone mentioned that this >was supposed to be on BfP. But did she perform it at >all during DDI? Cuz I don't think I have it if she does, >and seeing as how this is one of my favorite songs, I'd >really like to know. Tori performed Cooling once on the DDI tour: 23 October 1996, in Miami, FL. That's the show where she left the stage for a rather long period to get herself back together. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 19:55:17 -0400 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: silent all these years single At 09:52 AM 4/6/99 -0700, Terry Ferrell wrote: > >If anyone has or knows where I can find the Silent All These Years >single besides eBAY.com and not pay a whole lot for it, could you please >net me know. I am willing to pay. Which SATY single? There are two UK SATY singles {three, if you count "Me and a Gun", which is identical to the first SATY single}, and one US single. There's also a couple of SATY promo singles. You need to specify which one you're looking for -- at least the track listing. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:26:19 EDT From: ToriBoi@aol.com Subject: Re: sugar remix site?? Please post the address to this site public, I'd like to have it too :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 19:53:36 -0400 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Spark At 09:49 AM 4/6/99 -0700, Terry Ferrell wrote: >Towards the beginning of the music video for the song Spark, Tori is >shown blind-folded and tied up, she rubs her hands against a tree and >craved into the tree trunk is the name Sketer. I was just wondering if >anyone new what or who that person is. If you know, please e-mail me at >poet120@hotmail.com Tori has been asked this question before, and has refused to answer. It has been speculated by fans that perhaps Skeeter was Tori's nickname for her unborn child, but I doubt Tori will ever tell us for certain. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:45:24 EDT From: Thisbe5716@aol.com Subject: Re: sister janet, here in my head, northern lad,albums Honey was a UTP B-Side... it was on Over the Pink, and Tori has said that it was taken off of UTP in mastering. She does that sometimes... Cooling is a B-side from BfP, but she released it on the Spark single. Amy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 19:45:23 -0400 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Tori picture on Ebay authentic?? At 07:58 AM 4/7/99 -0400, Wish920898@aol.com wrote: > >I'm just browsing through Ebay and came across this 'picture of tori' but I'm >having a hard time believing it's her. i may be completely wrong >though..maybe it is her? >Can anyone clear this up? >here's the web addy: >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=87865860 The face looks right, but the body doesn't to me. 1985 doesn't seem like a likely time for her to have a professional photograph taken, either. I can't say for sure whether or not it's legit, but I don't think I'd spend the $30 the bid is currently at on it. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:45:52 -0800 From: "Anya Horine" Subject: Re: Tori picture on Ebay authentic?? - ----- Original Message ----- From: > I'm just browsing through Ebay and came across this 'picture of tori' but I'm > having a hard time believing it's her. i may be completely wrong > though..maybe it is her? > > Can anyone clear this up? > > here's the web addy: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=87865860 > > love n tori. It's definately Tori :-) She was *much* younger in that pic though. Anya ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 19:50:18 -0400 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: in the springtime of HER voodoo At 03:26 PM 4/7/99 -0700, Terry Ferrell wrote: >Today I bought this cd of Tori entitle "In the Springtime of Her Voodoo." It >is a collection of mostly boys for pele songs performed on the radio. I am >posting the meeage for anyone else who may also have this cd. My cd as the >songs on the back in the wrong order than what they are played on the cd. >If anyone has the cd, could you please write me and let me know if your >songs are in the wrong order as well, or if I just happened to het a Speical >Copy. Bootlegs often screw things up. I have one that lists "Muhammad My Friend" as "Sweet". Never take what's written on a boot for granted. Correct information on all known commercial bootlegs are available in the Tori Bootleg Discography, available at . /nad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 17:33:29 -0700 From: "Megasusİ" Subject: Re: Tori picture on Ebay authentic?? Wish920898@aol.com wrote: > I'm just browsing through Ebay and came across this 'picture of tori' but I'm > having a hard time believing it's her. i may be completely wrong > though..maybe it is her? > > Can anyone clear this up? That is indeed Tori.. it's back from the pre-LE days.. actually, it looks like it's from the time when she cut her hair and did the Kellogg's Just Right girl ad. (If you look in the biography, it has a pic of her looking much like that with short hair when she did the ad to get money for apartment rent :) She was alot younger in that picture. (about 19-21 or so.. don't quote me on the exact age or anything) But yes, that is definately Tori. :) - -- ^_~Megasus~_^ http://members.xoom.com/Megasus/ ICQ# 14241089 *~The Divine Princess of the Church of Daughter-chan!~* *~List Admin of the Xelloss-Lovers ML!~* "I've been raisin' up my hands, drive another nail in.. got enough guilt to start my own religion.." -Tori Amos "Just when you escape, you have yourself to fear.." -Tori Amos ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #101 *************************************