From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #83 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, March 22 1999 Volume 04 : Number 083 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Tori and the Piano ["spark" ] Raspberry Swirl [Heather980@aol.com] Spark intro ["Fiona Mcmillan" ] re: classic [Ulini852@aol.com] Re: Mother ["Plain Jane" ] Re:john cage(oh shit) ["spark" ] let's get creative ["spark" ] Re: Mother [Freque79@aol.com] wearing your tattoo and other things ["Thomas Mazorlig" ] Sister Janet ["Heather Parsons" ] Re: searching for... (SATY RELATED) [ToriGalore@aol.com] Re: Spark intro ["Mr Zebra" ] Re: Sister Janet [ChaosSong@aol.com] Re: Raspberry Swirl ["Mr Zebra" ] Tori Amos ram's ["Amanda Krebs" ] LE called "Landmark Album" [plugged99@webtv.net (Rob F)] Re: let's get creative [Beth Coulter ] Favorite albums and B-sides... ["Erika and Alan Lewis" ] Re: Sister Janet ["Megasusİ" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 05:39:42 +0100 From: "spark" Subject: Re: Tori and the Piano Richard Handal >Lissa said: > >> [...]does anyone else ever think that the piano is more important than >> the words she puts in the space? > >Absolutely. And if not "more" important some of the time, at least the >guiding force of a given song much of the time. It impresses me how much >of the time Tori's lyrics can't stand alone without the music being played >or her singing them. With some songs, just reading the lyrics would make >for a very difficult time of making *any* sense out of them. i'm convinced the lyrics and music and her singing are like yin&yang:if they get separated,they do not exsist anymore. if tori makes an instrumental song,it doesn't need lyrics.it still tells the story (hell,listen to classic music:most of it is instrumental,but you still get *the story* within the piece). also,sometimes she just sings and yawns and stuff,like in the intro to "Voodoo" (i wan't mention the chorus of HJ again) and it still works perfectly. today i was thinkong of how "Hotel"(the song) would sound without toris voice,and at one point i thought it would be as powerful as an instrumental just as well as the *original*.but then i played it and...naaaa! anyone tune this message into some music,k? spark p.s.one more thing:i remember reading the words of some of the b-sides before i got to hear them and some of them were...boring (isnt't that strange or i'm poetry-deaf?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:19:46 EST From: Heather980@aol.com Subject: Raspberry Swirl I am in the process of buying some more Tori CD's and I was wondering what everyone thinks of the RS Single??? Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:20:27 -0000 From: "Fiona Mcmillan" Subject: Spark intro Here`s something I`ve been wondering about for a while. Is the intro to Spark done on electric guitar or does Tori play it on her Kurzweil? And does Steve Caton have hair kinda like Tom Jones? Its just that I`m not sure who he is, but I saw a guy looking like that play guitar for Tori on TV. Thanx! Love in Tori Fiona "When I was little I got into big trouble for wondering if Jesus had a thing going with Mary Magdelene"-Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:26:58 EST From: Ulini852@aol.com Subject: re: classic >Monica Keena goes for the classics: Bob Dylan, the Police and Tori Amos > >Tori...a classic?!? Ummm, NO >>>WHY NOT????? Why cant she be considered "classic"? Id say thats hefty praise. Specially if they are ranking her with Bob Dylan and the Police, who are revered artists! Tori is our classic girl (like the Janes Addiction song)! i think she meant that she's not classic in the sense that tori is still around. bob dylan (correct me if im wrong) doesn't make a lot of new music now. and the police broke up. sure there's sting but it's not the police anymore. >>>A friend of mine told me that Tori said her first three albums were a trilogy. LE is a journal, UtP is an impressionist painting and BFP is a ____? She couldn't remember. story. i dont know if it's a trilogy but that's how tori described it. so anyway about the "picking your fav. tori cd", i think that's really depending on mood so i dont know if you can. i can't anyway. ho hum....anyway i must be off. later, ula ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 00:42:45 EST From: "Plain Jane" Subject: Re: Mother Mother always makes me think of Margaret Attwoods book The Handmaid's Tale. I always think of the handmaid and the commanders outings together when she sings about the dancing..and remember when she's come from.. *shrug* barb. >What do people think of Mother, other than it is an amazing yet underrated track? It sounds like its about a wedding to me-"brides in veils for you", and all this stuff bout he`s gonna change my name and limosines, but it always makes me think of funerals. I don`t know why, just the way she sings "Mother the car is here", and "Dripping with blood". Just after Christmas I had to go to a funerals and I was sitting there waiting for the car and all I could think of was Mother the car is here over and over. > Anyway, I`d like to hear what others think > Love in Tori >Fiona McMillan > >"When I was little I got into big trouble for wondering if Jesus had a thing going with Mary Magdelene"-Tori Amos >"Got enough guilt to start my own religion"-Tori Amos > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:58:30 +0100 From: "spark" Subject: Re:john cage(oh shit) > > >John CAGE made tori's Bells For Her piano for her??? >WOW!@@@##! i used to be a serious musician, and cage is just a really >amazing guy, that's so imporessive... do you know how tori met up with >him? wow... thanks for hte info! :) >chris > oooh nooo! alas,i wasn't clear enough.John Cage didn't prepared piano especially for tori,but he invented prepared piano.he composed a his "preludes & interludes" and also "music for marcel Duschamp" for prepared piano,and he did it in the 60s or something.anyway,he couldn't prepare piano for Tori cause... 1....he's dead over 10 years now(i think) and that just wouldn't...make much sense,you agree? 2.also,i didn't hear he prepared upright pianos,and tori plays and upright one on "Bells". Marcel Van Limbeek and Mark Hawley prepared that piano for her. i don't know if Cage would like her music. sparkie daZed as always > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:26:42 +0100 From: "spark" Subject: let's get creative i posted this idea in another letter,but no one seems to notice. how 'bout posting our ideas on how tori could do her songs in another versions? to set up something to think about,i'll go first(how did you know i was about to say this?) i imagined how HJ would sound like if it would be performed only with toris voice and a cello? i think the the song would be all stripped down to its(pardon me:her) core and i always felt cello as a really emotional instrument. also,talkin' about cello,i think it would be great of it was added on Black Dove(January).when i listen to this song,i always sing and make up the cellos part.and believ this musician,it sounds astonishing. thought,anyone?come on,we all have our little hidden potencial fot this love and wouldn't it be great if tori'd make a "different version of the exsisting songs" album? (just as long as it doesn't turn out to be something like bjorks *remix-each-album-x-times-saga* spark(only voice,drums,streich quartet...and 2 extra cellos) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 00:57:26 EST From: Freque79@aol.com Subject: Re: Mother In a message dated 3/21/99 10:10:43 PM Central Standard Time, weasle@hmcmillan.freeserve.co.uk writes: > What do people think of Mother, other than it is an amazing yet underrated > track? It sounds like its about a wedding to me-"brides in veils for you", > and all this stuff bout he`s gonna change my name and limosines, but it > always makes me think of funerals. I don`t know why, just the way she sings " > Mother the car is here", and "Dripping with blood". Just after Christmas I > had to go to a funerals and I was sitting there waiting for the car and all I > could think of was Mother the car is here over and over. For some reason, I always think of the book and or movie "The Joy Luck Club" (book by Amy Tan). If you've ever seen or read it, you know that one of the mothers in the movie was married to a rich man, who already had 3 wives. This was in China a long time ago. And I think it has something to do with with the big fancy cars, and whenever she says something about a limousine or chariot, I picture the movie. I haven't read it or seen it in a while, so I can't get more detailed about it...sorry. Mairie http://members.xoom.com/pianoqueen/ Ode to the Piano Queen back in my baby arms... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:51:34 PST From: "Thomas Mazorlig" Subject: wearing your tattoo and other things >> >over, and just...my heart SWELLED. I couldn't BELIEVE I had listened to >> >this song millions of times before and had never really LISTENED. Now, >> >it's on my all-time favorite list. I had the same experience with ComT. It's awesome. I especially like the part "I'll be wearing your tattoo" and "I'm already in there." Just awesome. I have to admit to being puzzled by the devotion given to Hey Jupiter. It's great, but just wouldn't make my Tori top 20 or probably even top 30. It's kind of odd, especially since so many other songs on BfP blow me away. I was really glad at the one Tori show I have been fortunate enough to see, she didn't play it. Too many others I'd rather have heard. Also, I don't understand why so many people consider BfP their least favorite. For a while it was my absolute fave. Now my ranking would be: LE FTCGH BfP UtP I never really bonded with UtP. I dunno. Lots of it just never got inside me. Some exceptions: Yes.., ComT, CG, and PGY. God's pretty awesome, too, but it feels more like it belongs on LE to me. I just think the girls from that one don't have much time for boys. They're too involved in their own politics. OK, rambled on for long enough and my coffee's gotten cold. Tom > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:08:08 +0100 From: "spark" Subject: Pele mind scenarios my $00.02 on the topic since i have listened out Pele to death without having a booklet or words by my side and it was hard to me to figure this out from the songs cuz tori has the way of twisting the words and using the words i'm not really familiar to (lizzies?posies?fab?), in that period i developed a particular view on it: i felt it like a novel-concept,it reminded me on the south very much; i still haven't read Faulkner,but from what i've listened,it reminds me on the atmosphere in his books.(whooo,what a long sentence :() ) the wholle album was like a little novel that takes place in a little village-country town and each and every song was like a little introduction into the homes/girls that lived there.i didn't know anything about the "broke-up", "stealing fire" or anything like that.i was just carried by its atmosphere and such mellow mood it became the strongest tori album for me.(and now,as i see,the most complexed one). i could listen only to first 4 songs.mr zebra already started to confuse me,and i couldn't tell the diference from one song to another. i remember "blood roses" was something most powerful i've ever heard of.i always saw harpsichord as a very gentle and heaven-like bright instrument as an result of listening to lot of baroque music where it has been treated this way.and this woman put it through the motherfuckin marshal amp here.like she pulled it down from heaven and draged it to the mud-pit. same ,but more radical,happened with PW. it has the ramones riff,for god sake!(though it doesn't sound like anything near ramones..thank god).this song was mud,south,cow-shit,stables,horses smell,wooden fences, porches,civil war,negros as survents,and rifles (though i get the meaning of it,i still think that sniper should have been a winchester rifle,cuz it belongs more to the picture on the cover) later,when i got my hands on the lyricsit,it opened a dozen of new dimensions for me ,but i still see pictures of young girls in angel-white dresses in a field and south-style houses and yards. i love every song on the album and when i listen to it,i can't skip any one.and i don't have a favorite song, or even album,or if i must pick one,it would be BfP.also i must say,although briliant,ftCH still doesn't nail me to the wall.it's just not so raw amd stripped down as the Pele one.it's far more...objective. love and patience sparkie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:46:34 PST From: "Heather Parsons" Subject: Sister Janet I was reading Lissa's email to me last night, and she happened to mention Sister Janet -- be still my heart! -- and then again onlist, so I just had to write about it... Sister Janet probably ties with Tear In Your Hand as my all-time favorite Tori Amos song. It's incredibly hard for me to pick "favorits" when it comes to Tori, but without a doubt, Sister Janet has stolen my soul. This song was another that I had listened to countless times before it ripped through me, and I remember the exact moment...I was at this beach house in Wrightsville Beach, and I was sitting on the back deck, and it was about midnight, and the water was black, and the sky this bluish color, and I swear to god, the lightning was violet as it hit the water. In my earphones (and I know you're wondering why I was sitting outside during a lightning storm, so sue me) came Sister Janet in all of its haunting, melancholy beauty. The opening piano, Tori's voice, so completely and utterly breathtaking...I felt like I was sitting in a cathedral, watching this beautiful redheaded woman sing, candles lit everywhere...and scattered throughout the church were all of these silent characters with solemn faces...all of them holding candles, and sitting along the tops of the balconies were angels -- and not fluffy women, either, but these beautiful, intense figures made of fire and light, and beside them, the old Pagan priests, with these long, grey beards...and then, walking down the aisle and kneeling at the altar is this small, child-like nun, who is praying, and around here is the feel of the ancient and sacred...and she's not praying to Jesus, but to Mary Magdalene... Okay, tangent there, but it's just how passionate I feel about this song. It gives me chills, and makes me want to cry with this mix of sadness and joy...and the piano itself just makes me want to crawl into it, and warm myself by the glow... [Heather begins to think perhaps she is getting a bit weird here...um.] Anyways, I just wanted to know if there is anyone else who has thoughts on this song. I think it's one of Tori's most underrated, with Honey getting all the glory. ;) "All the angels and all the wizards, black and white, are lighting candles in our hands..." Heather ===================================== "He sleeps under stairs, along with the heirs of nothing, and nothing means no one who cares..." - -- Stay (Belly) Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:25:04 EST From: ToriGalore@aol.com Subject: Re: searching for... (SATY RELATED) In a message dated 3/21/99 11:11:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jethro1980@aol.com writes: << On another note, a song that really hit me one day after I had listened to it for a long time was Silent All These Years. I use to hear it all the time so it got kind of annoying so I would skip it on my cd player. well one day I just let it play through and I just started crying. Things that were going on in my life and my feelings at that time helped me to see the song in a whole other light. I enjoyed that song so much. When I heard it at my first concert I almost started crying. I didn't want to go into too much detail cause it brings up alot of bad memories. >> Yes, yes, yes! I totally agree! I have an INCREDIBLY long story and interpetation of that song as it relates to my personal life, etc. etc., and of course, in typical Lissa fashion, I wrote it at, oh, say, 2 in the morning? (Yes, I DO get sleep, people... sometimes. ^_~) I'll tack it on to the end of the letter, in case anyone wants to read it. Thanks. ^_^ Love Always, Lissa (who's writing a post at a decent hour of the day!) - ------------------------------------------------- Webpages suck. (Translation: pages coming SOON.) ^_^ - ------------------------------------------------- "A wing can cover all sorts of things." - Tori Amos "Endless rain, fall on my heart, Kokorono, kisuni... Let me forget all of the hate, all of the sadness." - X Japan "It's a flame of sadness... stay free my misery." - Matsumoto Hideto (RIP, hide-san) - ------------------------------------------------- - --------------SATY, PERSONAL INTERP + STORY-------------- This was my first Tori song that I heard in it's entirely and enjoyed (my first was Caught a Lite Sneeze, and I couldn't make out any of the words). I heard it on the worst day of my life as of that point, where I didn't think I could take living anymore. It came on the radio on the way home from school, and I remember crying in the car. Something about this woman's voice, piano prowess, and just plain sincerity in her words overwhelmed me. That night, I stopped hurting myself, and I was determined not to be silent anymore. I know most people believe this song is about a woman contemplating having an abortion, and I agree. But this is one of those songs that you need to find your own meaning in. I've now heard this song well over a hundred times (probably nearing the five hundred mark, or above), and I never tire of it. But tonight, listening to it, I began to cry, as much as I had the first time I heard it. Now, thinking about what had happened to me in my mere fifteen years in this body, I now realize why little-Lissa cried at this song on November 8, 1997... why somewhat-bigger-Lissa cried when Tori performed this song live in concert when she was attending the show on November 8, 1998... and why today, February 15, 1999, Lissa of today is crying over this masterpiece of words and piano. This is our anthem. Never again will we be silent, for any amount of years. "excuse me but can I be you for a while?" When I first heard the song, I was thirteen years old, in seventh grade. My life was over for me then. I was unpopular, even though I tried my hardest not to be. Little-Lissa, as I'll refer to her from now on, wasn't trying to find herself... she was trying to find the facade her schoolmates found most acceptable for her. Many times, Little-Lissa longed to be one of the pretty, popular girls. And many times she failed. "my dog won't bite if you sit real still" I remember, on that afternoon in 1997, Little-Lissa had no clue what this meant to her, but it hit hard. Now, Present-Lissa (as I will call her now) has found her meaning in this line. The "dog" in this statement is my true self... the cute, sometimes brutal, always wary person. And Little-Lissa would not let that "dog" come out, "bite", because all the people she wanted to love her, to pay attention, were just sitting still, concentrating on their own personal commitments to hair and makeup. And as long as they weren't happy with what she truly was, with the dog as it is, she wasn't gonna let that shine through. She wasn't gonna "bite" if no one was moving. She was going to be a good little puppy and pretend. "I've got the Antichrist in the kitchen yelling at me again... yeah, I can hear that" According to common beliefs, the Antichrist is wrong, evil incarnate, bad to the bone so to speak. And it's cooking for Little-Lissa. And, to tie in with the line before, a dog shall not bite the hand the feeds him, even if the hand is abusive. So I'm taking in all this negativity the pressure to be well liked is giving me, and in the face of true acceptance, I'm not complaining. I know this isn't me, I know I'm not supposed to be this way, but I can't stop. "been saved again by the garbage truck" The only thing that saved Little-Lissa from complete extinction is the way she was. I never let the Antichrist in the kitchen feed me to the point of vomiting. I still had a little "trash" in the cellar, in my mind, ideas and thoughts not acceptable to most people, except my true friends, who would let me talk and, although they might not have agreed with me, kept me going. They took and listened to my ideas. And that's what saved me from the total destroying of my true self. The fact that I could "dump" some of my "trash" into my "garbage truck"... my friends. "I've got something to say, you know, but nothing comes yes, I know what you think of me - you never shut up yeah, I can hear that." Little-Lissa wanted to stop. She wanted to be herself. But she couldn't. She wasn't strong enough to. And the fact that the world would not stop contradicting everything she believed/resembled/thought, etc. didn't make it any easier. She wanted to tell them to be quiet, to let her be herself, but they didn't give her a chance. And although she knew that, there was nothing she could do. They wouldn't shut up long enough for her to say anything. And her voice was lost in her throat somewhere. She didn't know what she wanted. "But what if I'm a mermaid in these jeans of his with her name still on it" Mermaids don't have legs, so they can't wear pants. And yet Little-Lissa was here trying to fit into these jeans, to be accepted by society, even though they were not hers. In English, she was trying to fit into the normal mould of a teenage-girl, but she couldn't fit. And yet she tried. "hey, but I don't care, 'cause sometimes I said sometimes I hear my voice and it's been here silent all these years." Somewhat-Older-Lissa related to these lines. She was trying to listen to her true self and not care what other people thought. 'Cause she knew she was unique, and she knew that should be celebrated. And even though Little-Lissa had convinced her that the mould she had fit herself into was her true self, sometimes Somewhat-Older-Lissa caught a glimpse of what she really was, and it empowered her for a second. She had been hiding it for so long, when it came out, it came out in blazing colours. "So you found a girl who thinks really deep thoughts? What's so amazing about really deep thoughts?" The denial. The facade I had put on was making me lose friends, self-respect, everything, and Little-Lissa couldn't deal with it. I saw people who were popular and yet witty, and yet smart, and I resented them immediately. What's so special about them, Little-Lissa thought? I could be that and more. "Boy you best pray that I bleed real soon... how's that thought for you?" The anger and the giving up. Little-Lissa NEEDED people to notice she was hurting, that she was in pain. Many times I envisioned the sound of the PA system announcing my passing-on. Then they'd know. Then they'd realize. Then they'd all know how wonderful a person I could have been if they had just let me. And even if not at that extreme, I was infuriated with the people who got off easily, the "girls who think really deep thoughts". I was just as good as them, and if I was in pain, if I "bled", if I showed them that, maybe then people would notice. Maybe then they'd care. "My scream got lost in a paper cup you think there's a heaven where some screams have gone" Little-Lissa was yelling, yelling, yelling on the inside, but on the outside she seemed cool, calm, and collected. This paper cup, this body of mine, my scream was lost inside of it, I couldn't show anyone the pain I was feeling. But paper cups are delicate and break easily with enough pressure. Other people were like me too, locked inside their own prisons... until their screams broke their skin and they tumbled out of life. In English: suicide. And I was on that path. "I've got 25 bucks and a cracker do you think it's enough to get us there 'cause what if I'm a mermaid in these jeans of his with her name still on it" Little-Lissa was still locked inside of those jeans she wasn't meant to fit into. The "there" in this lyric was the "heaven" in the previous lyrics where all the fallen silent screamers had gone. I had enough money to fake this happiness thing for a while, so they wouldn't notice as I destroyed myself... who can survive on just a cracker? I was going to slowly say goodbye to all the things I loved until I had nothing left that I could cling to (as I said before, who can survive on just a cracker?), and no one would notice, because I'd cling onto this false concept of happiness just long enough (money doesn't equal happiness, even though society pushes it as such) to get to the point where I could leave this plane of existance as well. "hey, but I don't care, 'cause sometimes I said sometimes I hear my voice and it's been here" But Little-Lissa didn't care about leaving this Earth from time to time... there were times when she looked in the mirror, and if only for a second, saw Lissa for real. It wasn't fake... it was her real self. And these times kept her hanging on. "silent all these years go by, will I still be waiting for somebody else to understand?" I stood there silent, waiting for somebody to see through me, to see the real Lissa, but no one did. "Years go by, if I'm stripped of my beauty and the orange clouds raining in my head?" The self-concieved vision of "heaven" is that the skies are clear, the water is clear, everything is clear and pure. And Little-Lissa was waiting so long that she may have been losing her pure innocence, waiting for the clouds to stop being orange and mucky, and to start clearing up, so she could join them. She was corrupting herself to a point just to have an excuse to kill herself then. And the skies never cleared. "Years go by, will I choke on my tears till finally there is nothing left?" This lyric ties directly into the "I've got 25 bucks and a cracker do you think it's enough to get us there?" lyric for me. Little-Lissa tried so hard not to show her pain after awhile (you must understand, I was bent on leaving this body), and she was just waiting to let go of everything she had and loved. And it didn't work. Years went by. And nothing happened. She still had something to live for. "One more casualty you know we're too easy, easy, easy." This was (and is) Somewhat-Older-Lissa and Present-Lissa's stance on things. I was too easy to want to die, too easy to just kill off. Just one more casualty in a world full of millions of them. "Well I love the way we communicate your eyes focus on my funny lip shape let's hear what you think of me now but baby don't look up the sky is falling." Somewhat-Older-Lissa and Present-Lissa's lyrics here. I was shedding my perfect-girl image and trying on my REAL self for a change. And people weren't listening to my words, they were too busy absorbing the change. Many of them didn't agree or like it, but I didn't mind... my dreams of joining the people in "heaven" were vanishing. The sky was tumbling down, and nothing they said or did could or can stop it. "Your mother shows up in a nasty dress and it's your turn now to stand where I stand everybody looking at you here, take hold of my hand. Yeah, I can hear them." We all have our bouts with inferiority once and a while. I've learned now that even the people who used to "repress" me (which I now know was just myself) have their problems, and instead of laughing or ignoring them, I should cast away my bitterness and be open, just in case one of them becomes a silent screamer like I was so long ago. "But what if I'm a mermaid in these jeans of yours with her name still on it hey, but I don't care, 'cause sometimes I said sometimes I hear my voice I hear my voice I hear my voice and it's been here silent all these years." This is a self-conflict I'm sure I'll come into in the future. When I find that the new image I have made for myself, my true self at this time, doesn't fit with the direction I'm headed. But I'm not worried about that. Because now I've learned how to hear my voice (notice as Tori's singing how more confident her "I hear my voice"s go from one to another) and I now know how to interpet it for what it is. "I've been here silent all these years." The conclusion. Notice the use of the past tense. I HAVE been here silent all these years, but that's changing. Now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:26:55 -0600 From: "Mr Zebra" Subject: Re: Spark intro I'm pretty sure that's Caton playing the Spark intro on the guitar. Tori can do some awesome things with that Kurzweil, but I'm pretty sure it's a guitar. Yeah, Caton's got kind of a short curly cut. He usually wears a hat, but that very well could have been him. What was it on? Matthew This mortal soil around me...mortal feeling I have have found... Surrounded by your glory...hold me now so that I never drown... ICQ# 298707 mrzebra@fumblers.org http://surf.to/gotsarah - got Sarah? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:23:45 EST From: ChaosSong@aol.com Subject: Re: Sister Janet > Anyways, I just wanted to know if there is anyone else who has thoughts > on this song. I think it's one of Tori's most underrated, with Honey > getting all the glory. ;) Sister Janet is easily one of my all time favorites. It's deep and dark and dramatic, but not depressing. My best friend got me to listen to it as it's her favorite, and it really struck me. I can't say though that I agree with the typical interpertations I've seen... For some reason it always reminded me of an abused woman. There's that feel of being trapped, and being willing to take any way out, of having to escape in your mind. A lot of the imagery is very complicated, and contrasts directly with itself, putting me in mind of someone who knows they need to run, but can't help but stay. Definately one of Tori's most powerful songs... I can't help but always feel that it, and Honey are a little out of place with CG and Daisy Dead Petals. Very different emotions in them. *Whew* How's that for a first post? *Breisleach* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:25:15 -0600 From: "Mr Zebra" Subject: Re: Raspberry Swirl The Cruel/RS single or the RS import single? I LOVE the Cruel/RS single. The mixes are all REALLY good...the Cruel mix is pretty much the same, but the RS mixes are AWESOME and Ambient Spark is just soooo good. The RS import I'm not sure about. It has the same 2 mixes as the Cruel/RS, but it also has another "Sticky Extended" mix, I think. Haven't heard it... *shrug* Definitely get either/both if you can find them, though... Matthew This mortal soil around me...mortal feeling I have have found... Surrounded by your glory...hold me now so that I never drown... ICQ# 298707 mrzebra@fumblers.org http://surf.to/gotsarah - got Sarah? http://members.xoom.com/desilu/ssindex.html - SouthSide Cult of E Membership #138 FuCS/DA exfe96 a+++ Ifte lms/txus r++ ps+++ bs t-- C++ w++ p1 LF+/*** N++ cd70+ pr+ g- S* x Fa m+ b!/- fc- E rl!@+++ s! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:38:44 PST From: "Amanda Krebs" Subject: Tori Amos ram's hello everyone :) i usually write to people on here personally but i thought i'd make this one public i made a post before regarding my page but it's completely different now. if you're interested in hearing rare studio b-sides, covers, mixes, live, the songs from YKTR, and other Tori songs then go here: http://members.xoom.com/sexmermade/tori.html - -mandy Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:09:36 -0600 (CST) From: plugged99@webtv.net (Rob F) Subject: LE called "Landmark Album" Hello all. I got a booklet from BMG today called "Landmark Albums - Five Decades of Music Milestones - The Essential Cornerstones" and to my delight there (on the 1st page) amongst such artists as Elton John and The Police is our beloved goddess. It says "Marked by an intense intimacy that makes the listener a participant rather than an observer, here is the work that introduced the public to the powerhouse that is Tori Amos. From the harrowing Me And A Gun to the harmonically complex Silent All These Years and Crucify, this shocking, gorgeous album blew open the doors for confessional female singer-songwriters like Jewel, Alanis Morrisette, Paula Cole and Sarah McLachlan." I couldn't agree more. And although Tori doesn't like the term "confessional," I like the part about the listener being a participant rather than an observer. I think this truly attests to the fact that Tori is already a legend and a classic in her own right. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:14:39 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: let's get creative At 06:26 AM 3/22/99 +0100, spark wrote: > >i posted this idea in another letter,but no one seems to notice. >how 'bout posting our ideas on how tori could do her songs in another >versions? I'd like to hear Tori remix some songs with reed instruments; like a flute with Bells for Her, Northern Lad, and Winter. Can you just imagine China with a flute? How about a sax for Playboy Mommy and a tenor sax for Crucify? I can almost hear Past the Mission and Black Dove with a clarinet, can't you? Mind, I still want the piano front and center, and Matt beating out the rhythm. But to have that voice melding with those instruments, mmmm, I melt at the thought. Just really random thoughts. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:26:37 -0500 From: "Erika and Alan Lewis" Subject: Favorite albums and B-sides... Hello All... I was following the BFP thread, and I started thinking about my favorite album, LE, but the more I thought about it the more I realized that most of my favorite songs are b-sides, they're the girls who talk to me about things, I understand them more, we sit and talk, more than any of the other girls on the albums. So, this got me thinking about why these girls became b-sides. Tori has mentioned many times about how her favs end up getting "kicked off at the last minute." What I was wondering is, why? As far as I know all the albums have lots of room left for more material, so why aren't some of the b-sides album tracks? Is it cus they don't fit within the rest of the girls or are they girls who are more shy and/or independent? I'd really like to know your thoughts on this. :) Be Well Everyone! :) Erika - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "so then love walked up to like, and said I know that you don't like me much let's go for a ride " "some things only she knows" -- Tori Amos -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:26:37 -0500 From: "Erika and Alan Lewis" Subject: Favorite albums and B-sides... Hello All... I was following the BFP thread, and I started thinking about my favorite album, LE, but the more I thought about it the more I realized that most of my favorite songs are b-sides, they're the girls who talk to me about things, I understand them more, we sit and talk, more than any of the other girls on the albums. So, this got me thinking about why these girls became b-sides. Tori has mentioned many times about how her favs end up getting "kicked off at the last minute." What I was wondering is, why? As far as I know all the albums have lots of room left for more material, so why aren't some of the b-sides album tracks? Is it cus they don't fit within the rest of the girls or are they girls who are more shy and/or independent? I'd really like to know your thoughts on this. :) Be Well Everyone! :) Erika - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "so then love walked up to like, and said I know that you don't like me much let's go for a ride " "some things only she knows" -- Tori Amos -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:20:18 -0800 From: "Megasusİ" Subject: ftcH thoughts I've been doing alot of thinking... alot of looking around on pages.. alot of reading, and I had some thoughts about Tori and ftch. When I look at pictures and videos of Tori in the past... she looks happy and sweet and outgoing. When I look at recent pictures of her, with her darker hair color.. she seems to look like she has more of .... an 'attitude' I guess. Her style has changed quite dramatically over the years.. especially between the years of BfP to now. Of course, there's a big change between UtP and BfP, too.. but not as great as this one, I think. I guess alot of the change was brought on by the loss of her baby. Anybody would be upset about something like that. My sister-in-law lost about 3.. and finally had to have surgery. Now she can't have anymore kids at all. (She already had one, and that pregnancy was complicated as well.) Tori's whole attitude and appearance seemed to change though. Not that it was for the worst, though. The Raspberry Swirl video, for instance. When she steps into the elevator.. the look on her face and the way her hair is done.. it's such an awesome look, and I can't get over that little 'dance' ... if you can call it that. It looks like she's having a fit.. but I just love it. But when you look back through stuff she's done in the past, it makes you wonder.... 'What is the true Tori?' ... you know? Maybe this doesn't make any sense and I'm just rambling... does anybody understand what I mean, though? Some of her stuff is just powerful, emotional and moving... and her appearance went along with that.. then you see some new stuff... like that cover of Q where she's wearing the gold... body suit, or whatever it is.. it doesn't look the way I always imagined Tori, but it's just -awesome- anyway. I don't know when that picture was taken, because I just found a pic online.. but it looks as though it was taken between the BfP and ftch times.. Anywhoo, I think maybe I've babbled too much! ^_^; But if anybody has thoughts on this, let me know. If anybody understood it, let me know. lol. Thanks! - -- ^_~Megasus~_^ http://members.xoom.com/Megasus/ ICQ# 14241089 *~The Divine Princess of the Church of Daughter-chan!~* *~List Admin of the Xelloss-Lovers ML!~* "I've been raisin' up my hands, drive another nail in.. got enough guilt to start my own religion.." -Tori Amos "Just when you escape, you have yourself to fear.." -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:07:34 -0800 From: "Megasusİ" Subject: Re: Sister Janet Heather Parsons wrote: > Anyways, I just wanted to know if there is anyone else who has thoughts > on this song. I think it's one of Tori's most underrated, with Honey > getting all the glory. ;) While I love Honey, I think Sister Janet is one of my favorite songs ever. I first heard it in.. October I think Tori was in Seattle for a concert on September 11th (Which I'm still crying about missing...) and that night, she did a private show for the radio station.. called End Sessions.. the aired the session either that weekend or a couple weeks later. Anyway, I taped it when it came on... the very first song she played was Sister Janet. I didn't know the words or even the name, but I tried to sing along. The other songs she played (In this order) Were Leather, Purple People (another favorite), Playboy Mommy and then Honey. That was also the first time I heard Honey. Anyway... after listening to these songs over and over and over in my car, I finally came home one day and decided to find out the names and the words for these songs. I pretty much had them figured out, but I still didn't know the exact names. (Of course, Honey was kind of obvious..) I got some Mp3s (yes, so sue me..) Then I started looking for singles. (Still trying to get the single with SJ on it..) Anyway.. once I had the Mp3 for Sister Janet.. I sat down and listened to it.. over and over.. singing along... the mention of wings always does something to me.. (That's why my name is Megasus..) I think almost all creatures with wings are beautiful... (save some bugs and icky things) So, I'm listening to this song.. singing it.. and it was just like.. such a perfect song. The piano in it is just awesome.. and of course anything with Tori' lovely voice is going to be awesome. I sat down and looked for a midi of the song... I found one and a friend helped me change the sound a bit... and then I recorded myself singing it. I love to sing, though I never claim to be anywhere near Tori's level.. but if anybody would like to hear it, I have it posted on my page. (The one in my sig... just click on the link that says Personal Faq) I messed up a bit.. but ya know.. :) I'll never be able to express it any better than Heather did... but SJ is a brilliant song.. and I love it. Definately one of my more favorite Tori songs. :) That's my 2 cents. :) - -- ^_~Megasus~_^ http://members.xoom.com/Megasus/ ICQ# 14241089 *~The Divine Princess of the Church of Daughter-chan!~* *~List Admin of the Xelloss-Lovers ML!~* "I've been raisin' up my hands, drive another nail in.. got enough guilt to start my own religion.." -Tori Amos "Just when you escape, you have yourself to fear.." -Tori Amos ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #83 ************************************