From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #79 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, March 19 1999 Volume 04 : Number 079 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: trilogy question ["spark" ] Blue Skies- Grey or Blue? [PRTCLMAGIC@aol.com] Re: Rubies & Gold [plugged99@webtv.net (Rob F)] Re: Fw: Tori is a fave in TEEN [Frederica Rose ] Re: trilogy question [marion.laqua@t-online.de (Laqua)] Re: is bfp everyones least fav? ["carmen riojas" ] Re: BT [Talulagrl1@aol.com] Trilogy... ["Paul Wren" ] neil gaiman's neverwhere [Frederica Rose ] Boys for Pele, in my opinion [ToriGalore@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 04:52:14 +0100 From: "spark" Subject: Re: trilogy question a novel. (it reminds me on PtSoJ,though i've only listened about it) question:anyone knows which songs represent the bodyparts of Osiris on BfP.she mentioned something about it,but i can't find anything more. sparkie >Question: > >A friend of mine told me that Tori said her first three albums were a >trilogy. LE is a journal, UtP is an impressionist painting and BFP is a >____? She couldn't remember. > >Anyone know? > >Thanks! > >Jackie > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:10:26 EST From: PRTCLMAGIC@aol.com Subject: Blue Skies- Grey or Blue? So what is the difference between the two discs? I already have the grey one and have found the blue one, but haven't purchased it yet. Is it just more of the same remixes or is it dinstinctively different. I'm not so completionist that i must own each and every single, especially if they are redundant. Although, Blue Skies is a favorite of mine... I would appreciate anyones opinion on the matter. Email me privately :)~ ~~KriStiNa Blue Disc: Radio Edit Delphinium Days Paul Van Dyk's Erinnern Indigo Mix Paul Van Dyk's Blauer Himmel Mix Robbers of Antiquity Alien Disco Mix Grey Disc: Radio Edit Rabbit in the Moon's Phantomless Mix Deep Dish Blue Phunk Mix Deep DIsh Blue Phunk Dub BT's Liquid Oxygen Dub ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:31:41 -0600 (CST) From: plugged99@webtv.net (Rob F) Subject: Re: Rubies & Gold Want to know something funny? The Atlantic Store has the Complete Videos collection, of course, but the set list includes "Gold" and "Professional Widow." I e-mailed their customer service about this, and the reply was that all information on their site is correct. So I replied and said "please confirm that Professional Widow is on this video" and they answered by saying yes, it is. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:44:36 -0800 From: Frederica Rose Subject: Re: Fw: Tori is a fave in TEEN i think tori is definitely a classic, or, should be, anyway. she is more original than any artist i know and her music is sophisitcated. what more do you need? love, freddie Daisy Dead Petals wrote: > Hello all > > >Monica Keena goes for the classics: Bob Dylan, the Police and Tori Amos > > > >Tori...a classic?!? Ummm, NO > > WHY NOT????? Why cant she be considered "classic"? Id say thats hefty > praise. Specially if they are ranking her with Bob Dylan and the Police, who > are revered artists! Tori is our classic girl (like the Janes Addiction > song)! > > Daisy Melanie - -- "When this battle is over, I feel I will survive, In the battle of the dragon, no one walks away..." -Stevie Nicks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:45:44 +0100 From: marion.laqua@t-online.de (Laqua) Subject: Re: trilogy question Jackie Rosenfeld schrieb: > > Question: > > A friend of mine told me that Tori said her first three albums were a > trilogy. LE is a journal, UtP is an impressionist painting and BFP is a > ____? She couldn't remember. > > Anyone know? > > Thanks! > > Jackie It`s a novel. bye Anna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:11:56 PST From: "carmen riojas" Subject: Re: is bfp everyones least fav? i don't really have a fav album, i do have fav songs, though. BFP is the one i keep coming back to. i think it's because in that one she makes you work to find the meaning, and i may hate a thing like that in the beginning, but if i come back to it i apreciate it all the more, i like complication, and difficult art, i have to have something that really makes "the little gray cells" turn flips to honor the artist. Digression: what does TRL stand for. i keep seeing it, and i don't have cable, and apologise if this question has already been answered and i just haven't read the appropriate message. toodles CR and so don't ask me my name, unless you're willing to understand who i am >From: GonaTwinkl@aol.com >Reply-To: GonaTwinkl@aol.com >To: appos@hotmail.com, Talulagrl1@aol.com, precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: Re: is bfp everyones least fav? >Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:56:35 EST > > >I find it hard to pick a favorite...I mean, there is such amazing material on >all of the albums. There are some that will come have drinks with me more >often than not, and they all kind of are in this flow thingie, where one will >poke me in the ribs and say hey! listen, I've got some magick here for you... >I just think one has to respect each of the albums for what they are, and >kinda let the ebb and flow take you there. > >By the by, COMPLETE randomness, but I just got the book of good faeries and >bad faeries by brian froud. it is sooo much fun and has great insights and >wonderful drawings. check it out, but don't read about thebad faeries at >night. I almost had a nightmare...heh > >evol ni irot, > > ~* josh > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 05:39:12 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: My Tori trip/dream pt.10 Lowell, MA. Last one!!! Laura Damico said: > I should thank Richard once again for being a big part of this dream...... > and for putting up with me :-), especially during the Sneak Preview tour, > when I was going crazy because I didn't have enough money for a plane > ticket ..and thought I was going to miss another tour. Laura, to have known and been able to travel with someone dedicated enough to save up most of her salary for nearly a year to come to the States from Uruguay to see Tori concerts was more than inspirational for me. It helped me see a little bit through fresh eyes, as I hope your posts about your trip here have done for others reading them. And you were always great company, too. :-) And I doubt that without your coming up here that I would have seen nearly as many shows as I ended up seeing, for which I will always be indebted to you. That last month of shows was pretty amazing. I hope you inspired others around the world to make their Tori dreams come true. You proved it *can* be done. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:11:07 PST From: "Shaigirl 19/f" Subject: A few Tori things... Okay, a few things here: 1- Does anyone listen to a radio station that gets a nation-wide broadcast called "Open House Party"? I think it comes on Saturday and Sunday nights. Hmm anyways... the reason I mention this is b/c last Sunday I was listening to it and they played one of the JS remixes. It was *so* cool to hear her on this radio program. Half-way through it, my phone rang, and this guy in my Rhetoric class called me up and said, "Hey, that one chic is on the radio right now. I'm like who? He was like, "Tori Amos". Heheh Ohh yeah and 2- Does anyone know something about Tori touring again, sometime soon? I heard something about this on the radio (Underground Lounge) that she's been considering doing a short summer, college tour. Wow... is it me or is this too good to be true? Didn't she say that she was tired of touring and needed time off? Shaigirl 19/f * shaigirl79@hotmail.com AOL IM: Shaigirl79 * ICQ#: 7032035 My So-Called Life * http://glenmar.com/~mmb **~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~** "So don't give me respect don't give me a piece of your preciousness... I can be cruel I don't know why." -Tori Amos "I'm like a cat... the kind that feels what she decides to feel when she's good and ready to feel it." -Ani Difranco Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:05:03 EST From: Talulagrl1@aol.com Subject: Re: BT i was walking around the mall yesturday and i walked past Wilsons Leather Store and Blue Skies was cranked....i stood there and literally screamed "ahhh yeah" everyone looked at me....but i dont care.. its along the same lines as hearing the Cure at Taco Bell(everytime i go in that place i swear to god) which brings me to a question.... how famous is BT? does anyone have a picture of him they can email me? and how would you classify his music?house?techno?rave? i have his cd ESCM and the only way i can describe it is as a techno-ie enya... rachel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:17:33 -0000 From: "Paul Wren" Subject: Trilogy... >A friend of mine told me that Tori said her first three albums were a >trilogy. LE is a journal, UtP is an impressionist painting and BFP is a... Novel... In the promo. booklet that came with some copies of the video collection she also refers to BfP as being about 'emotional death' and FtCH as being about 'physical death' which I found interesting. Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ View my Tori collection: http://www.ljwren.demon.co.uk/paul/ToriCD2.html e-mail: paul@ljwren.demon.co.uk Homepage: http://www.ljwren.demon.co.uk ICQ: 23734436 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:34:30 -0800 From: Frederica Rose Subject: neil gaiman's neverwhere okay, first of all, i just want to say, if you haven't read neverwhere yet, please do not read this post, because i don't want to ruin the ending for you. for the rest of you, scroll down. okay, i was just thinking of this book in terms of tori's song, cruel, which she has said in at least one interview, is about angels acting badly. so, while i was reading it, i couldn't help thinking of islington and how he chose to kill door's family, and i thought that maybe tori was affected by this book, when she was processing all of her feelings about her miscarriage. i know someone said that the angels were with her and she said that they had actually gone to a rave that night as far as she was concerned. but the chorus could go for either the book or the song. "i can be cruel i don't know why, why can't my balloon stay up in a perfectly windy sky?" anyone else have thoughts on this? love, freddie - -- "When this battle is over, I feel I will survive, In the battle of the dragon, no one walks away..." -Stevie Nicks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:41:09 EST From: ToriGalore@aol.com Subject: Boys for Pele, in my opinion Another topic I can latch my hands onto! Allright! Boys for Pele is my favourite of Tori's CDs. It was the first CD I ever possessed by her, and over the year and a half I've known her music, it's done more for me emotionally than any other CD can even half-profess to. I don't think anyone really understands this CD very well... they're very sneaky girls, alas, and we all know how much easier and all around friendlier Crucify is to adopt than, say, Blood Roses. But let me tell you about my experiences... While my first real Tori song was SATY, which I fell in love with at once, my first CD was, as forementioned, BfP. After I had heard SATY, I was devoted to getting a CD by this new light in my darkend world, and as fate would have it, my mother's friend had an extra copy of BfP and needed to get rid of it. I begged Mom to get it for me, and, well, the rest is history, or is it? She gave me the CD that fateful day, and I ran upstairs to listen to it. I was determined to like it. Dead determined. I had heard of how wonderful this Amos girl was before, and all my online friends seemed to like her, so I figured I would too. Guess what? I didn't. I couldn't STAND her. I listened to that CD straight through (lie, actually... I skipped Beauty Queen and alas, Horses) and the ONLY song I even sorta liked was Hey Jupiter. I came downstairs, and my mom asked me, "so, how crappy was the CD?" in her usual, cynical way. My responce was, "I liked some of it... it'll grow on me." And it did. I would, at first, solely listen to HJ. Soon though, the girls before her called... MmF, CALS, Marianne... they all became friends with me (although I DID skip PW and Blood Roses... too "hard" for me at the time). On my notebooks at school, random Tori quotes were scribbled. But alas, I never really got a feel for the majority of the album, and when I got LE for Christmas that year, BfP was all but forgotten for months on end. But you know how those girls just can't shut up? Once you let em in, they come and go as they damn well please, their boots leaving messes and all. August was a BAD month for me. August and September. Bad, bad months. In August, I was FINALLY dealing with a far-too-repressed sexual assault that occured when I was ten, and in September, my family became a very shitty soap opera... my family was already deranged enough, with my brother being autistic and my sister having an auditory processing defect, but my mother and my stepfather had bitter, bitter fights night by night, and there were days when I worried about one, or both of them, doing something really stupid... not DIVORCE stupid, no, I mean SUICIDE stupid. They both were muttering that awful, awful word over and over, and I couldn't deal. Not to mention, my friend Josh (yes, he's doing fine now, all of you who asked. ^_^) had just came back to me with the news that he was in the final stages of HiV, and it was shifting into AIDS. So, life was crappy. And here they came, marching into my head. August was the worst. AIDS, rape, there was just too much going on, especially on the sex front. So one night, I was just lying in bed, my fan on my skin, an old razor by my side, and I got an URGE, you can say. I stood up, turned off my fan, and popped in my old BfP album. And I listened straight through. And I FINALLY got it. What the critics and some Toriphiles don't understand is that a lot of this CD isn't done lyrically like LE, UtP, and ftch. There's three levels to her music, and the lyrics aren't the most important here... the other two levels, her vocals, and her instrumentals, are what really makes this CD. I never understood before the whole "novel" concept, but I did on those August nights, and I do now. It's a journey through the mud, to find the piece of gold stuck in the stream... it's a journey from being the rejected "beauty queen", left "in the streets" to try to make yourself cleaner at "the laundry scene", and being "lie"d to again, to the girl who "twinkles so hard"... both songs with sparce instrumentals and easily laid out vocals. And in-between those two, we have all sorts of emotion thrown at us.... from the pure, raw anger of "Blood Roses" and "Professional Widow" (the harpsichord is SUCH an evil instrument, no?), to the playful denials of "Mr. Zebra" and "Agent Orange" (that girl always sounds like she's drunk to me, honestly.), to the broken hearted plea for help in "Hey Jupiter" (a song where ALL three levels come to play... those "Oooooo-oooh"s can BREAK my heart), and to the most complex emotionally of all the girls, IMHO, "Doughnut Song", where we go through the soft, subtle vocals and piano, until partway through, near the end, Tori's voice shatters it's utter feminicity with that Janis Joplin-ish (to me at least) break when she sings "able fires, yes..." and goes into her strong "YOU'VE been wasting my time, this time" part. It IS a novel. A novel through the mind, and ultimately, the heart. And that's what I NEEDED. The amount of help I got from that CD is too much to count. So whenever I hear someone call Pele her "weakest" effort, I get on all fours. IMHO, not to offend anyone, I believe Choirgirl to be her weakest effort... don't get me wrong, I love it to death, but it's missing that spark (ha ha ha, on a literal level, I guess it's NOT, but you know what I mean), that light, that extra faerie magic that made all her other CDs so long-lasting and timeless. Yes, FTCH is a WONDERFUL album, and it has helped me emotionally as well (hell, SAMURAI has helped me emotionally before...), and there are a LOT of INCREDIBLE songs on there (iieee tops MY charts, as a random thought), but some of the songs I can't truly relate to on the level Tori wrote them as (I never had a miscarriage, thank heavens, I'm still willingly a virgin), and while I do have my own meanings in all her songs, sometimes you just can't bend the meaning a lot (spark, Northern Lad, Playboy Mommy... there's just not a lot of room for open interpetation there) and still have the level of magic intended. But I'm straying off topic. I guess what I meant to say with this is... you might not appreciate something now, but who knows what the future holds? There may be a day where I swear by Choirgirl... and maybe a day UtP rocks my world... and maybe, in the future, whatever Tori's done from this point on will be my everything. But for now, Pele is my little clique, but we do allow visitors. And man, do we have the WILDEST sleep overs. ^_^ Love Always, Lissa - ------------------------------------------------- Webpages suck. (Translation: pages coming SOON.) ^_^ - ------------------------------------------------- "It doesn't leave a scratch so therefore no one's hurt." - Tori Amos "But the scars of memory never fade away I can't stop loving you... Stop my tears. Stop my loving. KILL MY MEMORIES." - X Japan "Please, songs tell me true kimi no melody, doko ni idemo..." - Matsumoto Hideto (RIP) - ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #79 ************************************