From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #73 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Sunday, March 14 1999 Volume 04 : Number 073 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Tour [Thisbe5716@aol.com] Re: Plugged Tour Statistics / Re: "Mother" on Plugged Tour [ToriBoi@aol.c] Re: need a copy of the US jackie strength remix single [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: Tori Amos on TRL [" Brandy(like the drink not the song)" ] Horses (Album and Concert versions) ["Heather Parsons" ] Re: Horses and Crucify ["Vicki Siolos" ] Tori Amos on TRL, JS, 'Mainstream' Tori [RedSpark18@aol.com] total request for more maturity [Dink6@aol.com] Re: Tori Amos on TRL [XXXPandora@aol.com] looking for January_grrrl [RedSpark18@aol.com] Re: Plugged Tour Statistics / Re: "Mother" on Plugged Tour [GonaTwinkl@ao] Re: choirgirl font [XXXPandora@aol.com] Re: Tori Amos on TRL, JS, 'Mainstream' Tori [JayMGee@aol.com] Re: Tori Amos on TRL [Frederica Rose ] Re: Tori quote [GonaTwinkl@aol.com] Re: Plugged Tour Statistics / Re: "Mother" on Plugged Tour [GonaTwinkl@ao] Re: Tori Amos on TRL [dbailey ] Jackie's Remixes ["~CaT *naMEd* EaSTeR~"] Re: Horses and Crucify [XXXPandora@aol.com] Re: choirgirl font [Rob Gueli ] Re: precious things mix [XXXPandora@aol.com] Re: Tori Amos on TRL [EvilTori@aol.com] Re: Tori Amos on TRL [XXXPandora@aol.com] Tori Amos on TRL, JS, 'Mainstream' Tori [RedSpark18@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 00:31:11 EST From: Thisbe5716@aol.com Subject: Re: Tour Funny you should mention that... I was talking to someone at work yesterday who SWORE he had heard someone say that Tori was coming to State College, PA this summer. I basically blew him off, but ... could it be true??? Please, oh please, oh please!!!!!!!! Amy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:50:49 EST From: ToriBoi@aol.com Subject: Re: Plugged Tour Statistics / Re: "Mother" on Plugged Tour In a message dated 3/12/99 8:57:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, guildy@worldnet.att.net writes: << ok, now i know she opened up with black-dove more than 4 times.... so where do those numbers come from.... just curious :) >> the numbers are pretty easy to understand actually... She did 136 full shows all together, counting all three legs of the tour... She did Waitress every time... I get the numbers from the dent and set lists other fans and myself had provided... I kept tally all the way through... call it a obession :) Joey ToriBoi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:53:20 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: need a copy of the US jackie strength remix single At 04:51 PM 3/12/99 +0100, dsnelders wrote: >I need a copy of the US jackie strength remix single, which isn't >available in Europe. (the one with the JS and father lucifer mixes) >If someone is interested in trading or anything, please e-mail me >privately and we'll work something out. A JS remix single is supposed to be released in the UK. We don't have a track listing yet, but I'm guessing that it won't be terribly different from the US one. I'd wait until it's released {which is sometime in April}, and then if you're missing tracks, pick one up. If you're impatient or just want to have -everything- Tori, I'd be happy to pick one up for you and shipping it over. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:06:13 -0500 From: "Vicki Siolos" Subject: Re: Tori quote >Hi there! >I was looking through an old issue of Glamour magazine, and reading through star quotes or something, and at the very bottom of the page was a Tori quote! > >"I am an acquired taste, like anchovies. Not everyone likes those hairy little things." Isn't that from the Rolling Stone issue where she was on the cover (recently). loveintori, Vicki ToriPyro@aol.com "oh look...carkeys! bye!" - Ani - will work for sex: http://travel.to/desolate.winters ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:42:09 -0700 From: " Brandy(like the drink not the song)" Subject: Re: Tori Amos on TRL Because I am sick and really bored, I have that chain letter saved(I thought it was silly) so id for some wierd reason you want it let me know.. And more importantly, does anybody have the red rocks show 9-1-98, mine has gotten scratched.. brandy > First off, I have to clear something up. > > There was a VERY funny chain letter going around asking people to vote for > Hanging Tough on March 10. Obviously it worked (amazing, ne?). So that's what > happened. I do know that the letter got to well over 10,000 people, so... > > But I do like that idea. If anyone comes up with something, let me know. ^_^ > > Love Always, > Lissa > > ------------------------------------------------- > Webpages suck. (Translation: pages coming SOON.) ^_^ > ------------------------------------------------- > "She never let on how insane it was..." - Tori Amos > > "Memory: you never let me cry. > And you: YOU NEVER SAID GOODBYE." - X Japan > > "Everybody wants to be somebody > some kind of shiny make believe... > everything pose!" - Mastumoto Hideto (RIP) > ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 10:51:58 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Tori Amos on TRL At 08:39 PM 3/11/99 -0800, with her nine inch nails and little fascist panties tucked insi wrote: > >i dont think tori should be on trl. thats part of what makes her tori, >she is underground. how many of her ears with feet truely want her to >be the next bsb spice girl phenmenon. tori isnt for the mass public. Underground? Each of Tori's solo albums has gone platinum in the US (LE is multi-platinum), and both PW and JS reached the Dance club charts -- JS is at #2 right now. That's not underground by any means. Every time I hear a sentiment like this, it honestly makes me sad. "I want to be the only person who knows about Tori." Someone who hears Tori and likes it probably isn't your average person. I don't think that someone's going to hear it and equate it to your normal pop music -- there's - -substance- in Tori's words and music, something that IMHO most pop music is lacking. I see this sickening attitude come up all the time. I'm sorry, but first of all, it's bullshit; and second, it's just too late. A lot of people already know who she is -- she's obviously not on the same level of notoriety as, say, Billy Joel, but she probably can't go shoe shopping without someone recognizing her. If someone hears her music and is touched by it, I don't care how they heard it or when they heard it. They heard it, and they liked it; that's all that counts. This elitism I see all the time is frankly disheartening. Put her on Total Request Live. Hell, I don't have cable, I'll vote for it. I'd say do the RS video, since it's the most recent. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:21:28 PST From: "Heather Parsons" Subject: Horses (Album and Concert versions) Hanna Paulus said: >I loved Crucify live, I preferred the album >horses and the DDI tour version of Horses >better. Beth wrote: >I heard this a lot, starting last april with >the sneak peek shows. No one really liked the >new horses with the band. Most people said the >song was ruined by the arrangement. REALLY? Wow. That surprises me, because I was really impressed by the new version -- very fluidic and stuff, but I'm getting ahead of myself... >So I was prejudice against the song before I >even heard her play it. But something happened >when I heard it over and over on my boot tapes. Me too. I loved it in concert, but when you're all excited, it's hard to truly let anything wash over you when it's the final encore, and you're convinced it's the last song to be played (in my case, she pulled Hey Jupiter outta her bag, but anyways...) and everyone around you is stirring like crazy... >The original Horses was excited. She was happy >and galloping away into the sunset, "you can't >catch me" sort of thing. She was being free and joyful. I never really pictured the album Horses as free and joyful, personally. Maybe I read too many faery tales, but that's what it struck me as -- this slow-building faery tale, and it's got some magic buried deep in it, and there's all sorts of non-sequiter things going on, people and images popping up everywhere, but it's got this intense dark undercurrent to it. The song is amazingly surreal. I tend to start most of my Tori mix tapes with it for that reason. It's a sort of stream-of-consciousness piece, and this may sound weird, but in song-form, I think it's the closest Tori's ever gotten to delirium. (Hotel comes pretty close, as well.) Beth wrote again: >The revamped Horses with the band was calmed >down. Now she was content, willing just to >saunter along going where the trail takes her. The Wonderful Richard wrote: >I wasn't moved much by the plugged Horses the >first times I heard it, but it really grew on me. >It was quite floaty, and made a great last song at >some concerts. THANK YOU -- that's exactly the word I was looking for! "Floaty"...the song is "floaty." I found the live version of Horses was the shadow of the original song sorda swallowing itself, and saying, "Okay, we're gonna turn this nightmarish, lyrical faery tale into the actual laying on the floor, not knowing where you're really at sort of delirium." While the album Horses was surreal in faery tale sort of way, I thought the live one was just like being carried along on a dark wave. It's absolutely beautiful. My only complaint with it is that the lyrics got lost at times, but when you know 'em by heart, I guess there's not much to complain about, eh? ;) Also, as Richard said, it was the perfect ending to the shows. I agree one hundred percent. I think it's sorda iroinc, because Horses was the perfect opening for Boys For Pele, but it was the perfect closing for the concerts on Plugged '98. So, give the live Plugged Horses a chance. I think you'll find yourself surprised if you let it wash over you...turn out the lights and lay on the floor and put it on at a meduim to soft volume, and see what we're talking about... Heather =============================== "I have fallen from grace And my ashes are scattered, No longer of passion and flesh. My flame is alive, Though my wings have been shattered... Like reincarnation, my soul will endure.." - -- Back On Earth (Ozzy Osbourne) Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:14:07 -0500 From: "Vicki Siolos" Subject: Re: Tori Amos on TRL >i dont think tori should be on trl. thats part of what makes her tori, >she is underground. how many of her ears with feet truely want her to >be the next bsb spice girl phenmenon. tori isnt for the mass public. > >just my idea I don't consider that Tori is underground anymore...more like a category of her own. I mean, she's not THAT well known (so it still seems) to "mainstream," but she does have an enormous fanbase and is not exactly "local" to the Los Angeles/Baltimore locations. However, if we're discussing putting her on TRL, I vote not to. I thought the NKOTB thing was cute. I received that letter on AOL the night before it was on at #2, but I didn't vote (I forgot to...I actually would have). I honestly don't want Tori on there because I really don't care for that show much. Too much BSB and N'Sync (I aplogize to those that like them, I care not for them at all). I still get a little angry when this girl I know starts singing a verse of "Hello Mr. Zebra" everytime we talk about Kaiser Wilhelm (sp?) in History class just to show off. Ok, conclusion: I say "no Tori on TRL" (hell no! we won't go!) loveintori, Vicki ToriPyro@aol.com "oh look...carkeys! bye!" - Ani - will work for sex: http://travel.to/desolate.winters ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:23:10 -0500 From: "Vicki Siolos" Subject: Re: Horses and Crucify >Hanna Paulus said: >> I loved Crucify live, I preferred the album horses and the DDI tour >> version of Horses better. >Meester Handal said: >I wasn't moved much by the plugged Horses the first times I heard it, but >it really grew on me. It was quite floaty, and made a great last song at >some concerts. They weren't playing it much toward the end and I began to >crave hearing it again. I was lucky enough for that to have happened. The >song could make for an easy landing leaving a big smile and a feeling of >satisfaction on my face. > >Be seeing you, > >Richard Handal, H.G. And I say: I defintely enjoy both versions, but in two totally different ways. I absolutely loved, in particular, the way she played it on the May 3rd show in Seattle on the club tour. I think it's wonderful ("whoops! I had the wrong note...") However, I loved her version of Horses on the album and on the DDI tour. I remember how she played it at my first show (5/15/96) and how beautiful it sounded. It fits the mood, my dearies...for me, at least. Don't you notice that sometimes you'll say to yourself "god, I am in such a(n) LE/UtP/BfP/FtCGH mood!" and that's all you can listen to at THAT moment? loveintori, Vicki ToriPyro@aol.com "oh look...carkeys! bye!" - Ani - will work for sex: http://travel.to/desolate.winters ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:03:45 EST From: RedSpark18@aol.com Subject: Tori Amos on TRL, JS, 'Mainstream' Tori I have been a Tori fan for 8 years, since I saw her play live at a theatre in my small city with an audience of less than 100. In high school I was a nerd. A big nerd.And I asked someone once why everyone thought I was a nerd and/or an outcast. Because I didn't think of myself as that. I had my friends, or the friends who mattered anyway. Their response was that "I listen to that freak." I don't think of Tori as a freak. I think of her as an inspiration of sorts, and a fine musician. Since Tori's most recent release with Choirgirl Hotel, things have gotten out of control with Toriphiles... In my view, people overanalyze Tori's music and are missing the beauty of it. I think that people read way too much into the lyrics and don't get the real feel and environment of the music... Tori's music is what has lived thruout my 8 years of being a fan. After all the fads and one-hit-wonders are through I still, have stayed by Tori because she is real and she has never let her music go through any of the fads.. She is always true to her music. Her music has been critiqued and smushed around because of her lyrics and "strange" partwriting.. making her piano clash with other instruments most recently. She can 'play piano like Bela Bartók, write songs like the Beatles, and still put that smathering of rock like Led Zepplin.' But her music is what lives from fad to fad. Her music is a true example of individuality and of tranquility. I don't think that Tori would even care if she was successful as long as she was doing what she loves most. I heard Tori once say that she would be lost without music... her life and her self would not be complete without it. So I don't think that she would even care if her song JS is #2 on the dumb billboard chart... I think that she would be happy being the fan looking up at that dj and dancing her heart out if the music was true. The truth is whenever I am in a depression, or dark rut in my life I have always been able to pull myself out with the inspiration of her music and her message and her attitude towards music. Being a music major in college, I have tried to find my own individuality which is extremely difficult because of the fact that the curriculum is so rigid. I find myself screaming inside because I want myself to be in my music and all I am in school for is the dumb degree. But seriously... Tori once sayed..."Fuck you... I can play Mozart..." But the truth is yeah she could play Mozart... but she just doesn't want to... People are missing out on what it is to just be a simple Tori fan.... Who is out there to just love and appreciate an artist who has impressioned alot of people. I say let her music be heard... let her music be heard... let her show the world that nerds are ok..... We nerds need to be heard... And I say Lets hail to the Queen of nerds... People who want to know Tori's message will learn in the end.. because her MUSIC is what will tell the truth and the story... Thanks for listening to me gripe people... Sorry about that! :) ~~RED ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:05:24 EST From: Dink6@aol.com Subject: total request for more maturity /nad wrote: <<>>>>>> i agree completly. this whole sentiment about trying to keep tori from mainstream listeners really bugs me. i think thats really quite selfish and immature of a lot of you. i wont vote her on total request live because i reallly disklike the show, but other than that, i would see no real reason not to. lisa anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:36:33 EST From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori Amos on TRL In a message dated 3/13/1999 12:52:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, motherlucifer@geocities.com writes: << I say "no Tori on TRL" >> yes!! me too :) ~~* joanne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:20:56 EST From: RedSpark18@aol.com Subject: looking for January_grrrl If your name is January_grrrl please contact me immediately. I have important info for you regarding your admission to Faerie's United In Tori ..... thanks! ~~RED ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:28:07 EST From: GonaTwinkl@aol.com Subject: Re: Plugged Tour Statistics / Re: "Mother" on Plugged Tour In a message dated 99-03-12 23:58:04 EST, guildy@worldnet.att.net writes: << >> 136 the waitress >> 132 precious things >> I thought the same thing Erika, and then I thought, well, maybe she didn't close every show with Waitress. Correct me if I am wrong. ~* josh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:27:56 EST From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: choirgirl font In a message dated 3/12/1999 7:29:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, raspberryswirrl@hotmail.com writes: << today I asked myself, "Self, wouldn't it be NEET to own that NEET font that was used on Tori's new album?" >> wow, what a great idea!! I'm also a font freak - I have 1,007 fonts on my computer. I'll look around for it. we can always scan it and make our own font --- I'm sure it's possible although I have never done anything like that. ~~* joanne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:14:46 EST From: JayMGee@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori Amos on TRL, JS, 'Mainstream' Tori Just have to say: Beautifully said, RED! Jeremy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:14:50 -0800 From: Frederica Rose Subject: Re: Tori Amos on TRL i agree with this 100%. she has enough fans that she is successful and i don't think that most ordinary people have either the emotional or mental capacity to listen to her like she needs to be listened to. my sisiter's boyfriend, a real jerk all around, happened to be sitting around with me while i was watching the complete videos and if i had a nickel for every time he said "she's weird! what a freak!"... i'd be rich. love, freddie RsberySwrl@aol.com wrote: > I couldn't agree more. No one around here has a clue who tori is except for me > & my friend, and I like it that way. People at my school recognize her name > only because I wear a Tori shirt to school every friggin day. > > I vote for keeping Tori obscure. > > Definatly. > > - corrie. > > In a message dated 3/13/99 12:24:32 AM !!!First Boot!!!, > fascist_panties@yahoo.com writes: > > > i dont think tori should be on trl. thats part of what makes her tori, > > she is underground. how many of her ears with feet truely want her to > > be the next bsb spice girl phenmenon. tori isnt for the mass public. > > > > just my idea > > > > > > mel - -- "When this battle is over, I feel I will survive, In the battle of the dragon, no one walks away..." -Stevie Nicks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:16:45 EST From: GonaTwinkl@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori quote In a message dated 99-03-12 19:29:55 EST, ecjaques1@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu writes: << "I am an acquired taste, like anchovies. Not everyone likes those hairy little things." >> Yeah, this quote is actually from the ROlling Stone issue where she had the dragonflies *I LOVE that picture* A lot of other magazines have used it tho. I saw it in some teen magazine too. The rest of the quote is as follows: "If I was potato chips, I could go more places" she's faerilicious. ~* josh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:57:09 EST From: GonaTwinkl@aol.com Subject: Re: Plugged Tour Statistics / Re: "Mother" on Plugged Tour In a message dated 99-03-12 19:28:01 EST, firose@ucdavis.edu writes: << i'm confused, if she opened with precious things at every show, wouldn't that beat out the waitress??? love, freddie >> THere were a couple shows, very few, where tori opened with Black-Dove (January). The ones she did open with BD were mainly the sneak preview shows, and a couple of the very early shows on the tour. I know Ames, IA opened w/ BD Hope this helps, ~* josh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 20:06:54 -0600 From: dbailey Subject: Re: Tori Amos on TRL > i dont think tori should be on trl. thats part of what makes her tori, > she is underground. how many of her ears with feet truely want her to > be the next bsb spice girl phenmenon. tori isnt for the mass public. > > just my idea > > mel I disagree. Tori is anyone's and everyone's artist...we scattered few have no special claim to her. The more popular she becomes the better. Musical elitism isn't a good thing. Doug dbailey@ro.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:02:25 -0600 From: "~CaT *naMEd* EaSTeR~" Subject: Jackie's Remixes i dont knwo about all of you, but i just adore the JS remixes and the father lucifer ones i think tehy are so freaking kick ass! i knwo its kinda blasphemous do to JS that way, but perhaps Tori thought it would be kinda funny u know? anyway does everyone hate this or what? *Cat* - - ~~~~~~~~~~******~~~~~~~~~~ HOMEPAGE: http://welcome.to/the_hotel ~~~~~~~~~~******~~~~~~~~~~ ICQ: 15455527 ~~~~~~~~~~******~~~~~~~~~~ " i guess i'm an underwater thing so i guess i can't take it personally..." ~~~~~~~~~~******~~~~~~~~~~ - - _____________________________________________ Get your free personalized email address at http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 15:40:30 EST From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: Horses and Crucify In a message dated 3/13/1999 12:53:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, motherlucifer@geocities.com writes: << It fits the mood, my dearies...for me, at least. Don't you notice that sometimes you'll say to yourself "god, I am in such a(n) LE/UtP/BfP/FtCGH mood!" and that's all you can listen to at THAT moment? >> its seems that you and I are on the same wavelength sweetie. This is exactly what happens to me, even more so with specific songs sometimes. This time I'm listening to BFP (my least favorite album) and hopefully I will learn to appreciate it more. :) for the past 5-6 months though I've been obsessed withh mother. :) ~~* joanne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:39:44 -0500 From: Rob Gueli Subject: Re: choirgirl font Rhiannon de Hebreard wrote: > > today I asked myself, "Self, wouldn't it be NEET to own that NEET font > that was used on Tori's new album?" > > "Why, yes", I replied, "that would be delicious!" hey, the font used on choirgirl and all its singles is simply helvetica black, with a really tight kerning (letterspacing). i don't know where you can download it but helvetica is like THE most common font in the world so you probably already have it. if not helvetica you might find it under arial. but its actually helvetica. hope that was delicious enough for you! ...rob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:25:26 EST From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: precious things mix regarding remixes --- a few years ago the night before BFP came out to be exact I was at a local independent record store where they were having a release party for BFP ... where they played tori music all night long, had raffles for rare tori stuff etc. Anyways they played an entire album of remixes also of precious things (not the Rabbit in the moon sample thing) and they were all amazing!! If I remember correctly almost all if the songs were from LE. I asked one of the guys who worked there and he wouldn't tell me what it was only that it was a bootleg and they didn't have another copy, it belonged to someone else who worked there. I would die to get a copy of this - --- so if any of you know what I'm talking about or feel like investigating ... let me know what you find. Beleive me if you're into this kind of thing - its well worth it -- these remixes are not cheesy like most of the tori remixes that are out there (again I'm not talking about songs like rabbit in the moon and stuff like that where they just sample tori - those are great). BTW I have a WAV of that Rabbit in the moon song Out of Body Experience (part of it) and another tori sampled song that is awesome that samples Caught a Lite Sneeze and is by a band called Delirium :) (the guys from front line assembly) If you want them let me know and I'll send 'em to you. ~~*joanne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:04:38 EST From: EvilTori@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori Amos on TRL I agree..I live in a place where there are 0 Tori fans, besides myself of course, and I would LOVE it if any of my friends listened to Tori or had even heard some of her songs. Or anyone else in my town for that matter. Don't be so selfish. In a message dated 99-03-13 12:53:14 EST, /nad write: << Underground? Each of Tori's solo albums has gone platinum in the US (LE is multi-platinum), and both PW and JS reached the Dance club charts -- JS is at #2 right now. That's not underground by any means. Every time I hear a sentiment like this, it honestly makes me sad. "I want to be the only person who knows about Tori." Someone who hears Tori and likes it probably isn't your average person. I don't think that someone's going to hear it and equate it to your normal pop music -- there's -substance- in Tori's words and music, something that IMHO most pop music is lacking. I see this sickening attitude come up all the time. I'm sorry, but first of all, it's bullshit; and second, it's just too late. A lot of people already know who she is -- she's obviously not on the same level of notoriety as, say, Billy Joel, but she probably can't go shoe shopping without someone recognizing her. If someone hears her music and is touched by it, I don't care how they heard it or when they heard it. They heard it, and they liked it; that's all that counts. This elitism I see all the time is frankly disheartening. Put her on Total Request Live. Hell, I don't have cable, I'll vote for it. I'd say do the RS video, since it's the most recent. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:10:36 EST From: XXXPandora@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori Amos on TRL In a message dated 3/12/1999 7:24:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, fascist_panties@yahoo.com writes: << dont think tori should be on trl. thats part of what makes her tori, she is underground. how many of her ears with feet truely want her to be the next bsb spice girl phenmenon. tori isnt for the mass public. >> I thought I would comment more on this subject since I read the response saying that this attitude is bullshit ... now how many times have you seen a Tori video on mtv during normal hours?? only when one of her videos is premiering --- never again. I for one do not want tori lumped in with all the mindless crap that mtv shows or being seen by the mindless masses that swallow all of that bullshit up and just go out and by an album because it's #1 on Total Request Live which means everyone else will like it and therefore accept you because you know the words to every Brittany Spears song. These same people would dutifully go out and purchase FTCgH and 'rave' in their bedrooms decorated with hanson and brandy posters to the only tori song they've ever heard 'Raspberry Swirl' then fill up the concert halls and sit there and say "oh I know this song" three times during the whole show while I am sitting behind them trying to get a glimpse of tori around their huge hair knowing every single word to every single song tori has ever released. That is bullshit! I am not being exclusionary - I'm just saying that the people who watch TRL are not the people who will understand Tori - these people would probably have to use a dictionary just to be able to sing the songs -- I agree that we should be open-minded to the people who have just recently discovered Tori - because everyone has to start somewhere - but these are not the people that Tori wants to reach and they will never really discover Tori. I mean can you imagine one of these little poseur girls sitting down for hours and bawling her eyes out because she just figured out the meaning to Yes, Anastasia?? I think not. Mtv is not a place where tori is welcome and I am grateful for that. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:11:12 EST From: RedSpark18@aol.com Subject: Tori Amos on TRL, JS, 'Mainstream' Tori I have been a Tori fan for 8 years, since I saw her play live at a theatre in my small city with an audience of less than 100. In high school I was a nerd. A big nerd.And I asked someone once why everyone thought I was a nerd and/or an outcast. Because I didn't think of myself as that. I had my friends, or the friends who mattered anyway. Their response was that "I listen to that freak." I don't think of Tori as a freak. I think of her as an inspiration of sorts, and a fine musician. Since Tori's most recent release with Choirgirl Hotel, things have gotten out of control with Toriphiles... In my view, people overanalyze Tori's music and are missing the beauty of it. I think that people read way too much into the lyrics and don't get the real feel and environment of the music... Tori's music is what has lived thruout my 8 years of being a fan. After all the fads and one-hit-wonders are through I still, have stayed by Tori because she is real and she has never let her music go through any of the fads.. She is always true to her music. Her music has been critiqued and smushed around because of her lyrics and "strange" partwriting.. making her piano clash with other instruments most recently. She can 'play piano like Bela Bartók, write songs like the Beatles, and still put that smathering of rock like Led Zepplin.' But her music is what lives from fad to fad. Her music is a true example of individuality and of tranquility. I don't think that Tori would even care if she was successful as long as she was doing what she loves most. I heard Tori once say that she would be lost without music... her life and her self would not be complete without it. So I don't think that she would even care if her song JS is #2 on the dumb billboard chart... I think that she would be happy being the fan looking up at that dj and dancing her heart out if the music was true. The truth is whenever I am in a depression, or dark rut in my life I have always been able to pull myself out with the inspiration of her music and her message and her attitude towards music. Being a music major in college, I have tried to find my own individuality which is extremely difficult because of the fact that the curriculum is so rigid. I find myself screaming inside because I want myself to be in my music and all I am in school for is the dumb degree. But seriously... Tori once sayed..."Fuck you... I can play Mozart..." But the truth is yeah she could play Mozart... but she just doesn't want to... People are missing out on what it is to just be a simple Tori fan.... Who is out there to just love and appreciate an artist who has impressioned alot of people. I say let her music be heard... let her music be heard... let her show the world that nerds are ok..... We nerds need to be heard... And I say Lets hail to the Queen of nerds... People who want to know Tori's message will learn in the end.. because her MUSIC is what will tell the truth and the story... Thanks for listening to me gripe people... Sorry about that! :) ~~RED "hold on to nothing as fast as you can.. " www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/vine/9831 ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #73 ************************************