From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #54 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, February 22 1999 Volume 04 : Number 054 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Thoughts right now ["Luna 17" ] StoryTellers [Mac456789@aol.com] Torifest '99 website address [Jen Torifest ] Re: Doughnut song [Mercedes Tiffany Reeder ] Re: [january_girls] No Subject [EvilTori@aol.com] lyric changes [Bobdel123@aol.com] Re: [toriandmore] Tori Handwritten Booklet...help? [Margaret ] Good news for Dutch EWF [Dennis Snelders ] cooling... [Sarah ] STori-tellers [Thisbe5716@aol.com] Re: tori in strange places ["glytter grrl" ] Can Someone Help Me with a Quote? ["Amy Belden" ] [none] [shiseidored@o-tay.com] Storytellers [Freque79@aol.com] Dew Drop Inn sighting ["Amy Belden" ] [none] ["Heather Parsons" ] RE: tori ramble bamble mamble lamble camble ramble [Jenelle Campion ] tori from 1994 [bachelorette ] cover of new jackie [Katapilla7@aol.com] Storytellers for Sessions 20/20 [haves ] Re: Dew Drop Inn sighting [Freque79@aol.com] Re: thoughts on storytellers [DALV2@aol.com] Re: doughnut song ["K. Fischer" ] Alamo Talula single [Katapilla7@aol.com] Can I play? ["Mr Zebra" ] Re: [toriandmore] Tori Handwritten Booklet...help? [Pixieqwien@aol.com] Happy anniversary Tori! ["Julia K." ] Re: [january_girls] No Subject [Beth Coulter ] Re: doughnut song and other thoughts ["Plain Jane" ] Re: thoughts on storytellers [with her nine inch nails and little fascist] Re: vh1 [Frederica Rose ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:39:34 PST From: "Luna 17" Subject: Re: Thoughts right now >> Secondly, I was just wondering what songs you would all like Tori to cover...because we all know her covers are awesome... What about Alice by The Cocteau Twins? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:34:02 EST From: Mac456789@aol.com Subject: StoryTellers Wow, I truly thought that Storytellers was amazing. I personally think it was the best television performance she has done this year! I especially loved the version of Father Lucifer, and raspberry Swirl. I wonder if the Storytellers concert is available on cd or tape?? If anyone know please let me know! Thanks s. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:39:25 -0800 (PST) From: Jen Torifest Subject: Torifest '99 website address For all those who are interested, Torifest '99 has a new website. http://www.angelfire.com/il/torifest thank you _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:37:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mercedes Tiffany Reeder Subject: Re: Doughnut song I liked your interpritation of this song a lot; it makes lots of sense. I just thought I ought to add that "beyond the pale" means crazy to a point that is completely beyond anyones understanding. So I think she is saying that she nor anyone else could ever come up with a reason why she hanging onto this guy. Toodles, Mercedes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:19:25 -0500 From: "~Wendi~" Subject: Re: Thoughts...of Tori covering Led Zep >I'm thinking that I could really see her playing (I think it's called ) "Fool >in the Rain"....I know it's not the best Led Zep song, but.... I agree! That's my fave Led Zep song. I'd also like to hear her do "Ten Years Gone" or "In the Light". Other artists: The Doors - "The End" CSN - "Southern Cross" That's all I can think of now. :) wendi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:26:18 EST From: EvilTori@aol.com Subject: Re: [january_girls] No Subject In a message dated 99-02-21 23:22:15 EST, heatherspace@hotmail.com writes: << It was rather odd, however, because I am not used to seeing Tori in such a...well, treated light? Do you know what I mean? All hazy and soft lighting and everything? Anyways...she looked GORGEOUS. I mean, EXQUISITE. I wanted to eat her up! >> I was thinking the lighting looked kind of odd, like her eyes were too bright or something you know? I think they might've used a filter over the camera, most likely to make her look younger, you know, soften her face. Just looked like it to me. Robyn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:21:31 EST From: Bobdel123@aol.com Subject: lyric changes okay quick question: am i the only one who noticed that she changed a word in hey jupiter. well i hope i'm not. but at anyrate she said instead of this little masochist, this little arsonist. well i wonder. and also i never realized what iiiee was about. but the story she told was on of the best from the show. i realized for the first time how good of a storyteller she was. but at anyrate. i also have a question of whether or not i'm the onl yone who thinks that the song is about the baby talking to her from the grave. just say yes you little arsonist - tori is an arsonist and well she said the boy was talking to her. maybe its just me and my weird mind set. all love in tori the raspberry swirl boy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:02:37 -0500 From: Margaret Subject: Re: [toriandmore] Tori Handwritten Booklet...help? hi, I got mine when total e offered it free with the videos I think its still listed but I"m not sure if they still carry them http://www.totale.com I think thats it margaret > >dearest trent... > > I haven't the slightest clue how to get one of these promo books-- i want >one-- all i have is whatevers written from the book-- its at the dent.... >anyways... if you get a copy i would love to know where you got from so i can >a copy too. > >Love and what is a trent look like in winter?? >tony > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:21:04 EST From: "Plain Jane" Subject: thoughts on storytellers Wow. that's the first thing that comes to mind. It was rilly well done. The stories she told shed a lot of light on the songs for me.. i especially liked the story before iieee...that one really helped me out to see where she was coming from. I thought she sounded wunderful. just a thought i had.. the question for Hey jupiter...she didn't rilly answer it did she.. seemed like she kinda tiptoed around it... and she seemed a bit, idunno nervous about the talking part.. like when she said she wrote up like 7andahalfhours worth of stuff..and when she wiped her forehead as if to say phew.that'sdone. but i'm not sure of the reasons behind that.. anyways.. i just thought it was rilly scrumptous. hope y'all did too. 8) barb. _____________________ she is always and never the same _____________________ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:47:46 +0100 From: Dennis Snelders Subject: Good news for Dutch EWF Hey, here is some good news for EWF who live in the Netherlands: Every week, The music channel TMF reviews in their program 'the movie factory' a new music video, and yesterday (sun 21) it was tori's new video 'The Complete Videos'!!!! Basically they just told us what was on the video and the usual bla bla, and they showed the spark video. So, that oviously means the vid has been released or will be released very soon in The Netherlands, although some stores already have been selling German imports. Cool, eh? By-Bye Dennis Snelders e-mail: dsnelders@geocities.com Dutch Tori Amos page 'Little Amsterdam': http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/lot/1017/littleamsterdam.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:53:17 -0800 (PST) From: Sarah Subject: cooling... i was pondering cooling last nite while i was sleeping and listening at the same time. don't you just love it when a song rips you out of you sleep cuz you think you may have gotten a little piece of it then come to find out the lil piece you got doesn't help at all? well that's kinda what cooling has been teasing me w/ lately. ok basically what i thought was a revelation was just the basics that i had never really thought about before. i'm going to write down my interps later but i'd really love to hear some other ponderings about this and read them after i post mine cuz you know i'll prob subconsciously steal everyone's interps. this song confuses me but maybe i have the jist of it from my standpoint anyway. sarah _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:49:58 EST From: Thisbe5716@aol.com Subject: STori-tellers Hi all! I just finished watching Storytellers, and I felt like sharing a few things. First of all, in spite of the problems Tori may have had during the taping, the session was amazing. She sounded absolutely wonderful. I knew this was going to be an emotional experience for me when they opened the show with "Winter", and she looked like she was ready to break down into tears. What blew me away more than anything in this performance was the overwhelming amount of emotion that it must have taken for her to be able to get through it. I can understand why she would have such negative feelings about the taping. Talking about her songs in that setting, with the cameras rolling and the production crews throwing microphones all over the place, must have been very difficult. At her concerts there is a much more intimate feeling, even though there are more people there. In the end, she handled the pressure with style. She told her stories gracefully, performed brilliantly (as usual), and gave her fans something to remember for quite a while (who knows when we'll get to see her again... wait... I need a moment... ok, I'm fine). Thanks for listening! Amy ** Make me a day, make me whole again ** ~ for "you know who" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:50:04 EST From: "glytter grrl" Subject: Re: tori in strange places hey, i just read one of the tori in strange places...i used to work in a dept. store called meijer (those of you in michigan, ohio, kentucky, indianna and illinois know of the evil place)...and they play caught a lite sneeze, spark and silent all these years all the time. there was nothing more cooler than at 630 am..feeding the little hamsters than to hear tori....made my day for sure ~~becka ICQ#14314488 AOL IM - SwyngBaybe ~~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~ http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/Outlet/1174 ~~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~ Green Limosine for the redhead dancing, dancing girl ~~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~*:*~~ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:57:08 PST From: "Amy Belden" Subject: Can Someone Help Me with a Quote? Hi All! I am trying to figure out this quote that I saw somewhere recently. I don't remember what magazine I saw it in or much about it (ie who said it). What I remeber is that someone (I keep thinking it was either Dave Navarro the guitarist or some drummer) was interviewed and made a comment about working with Tori. The interviewee said that he asked Tori what style of accompaniment she wanted him to play. He said that she said something like "a Moraccan yogurt spice" beat/rhythm/tune. I'm sorry I am being so vague on this, but I can't remember much of it. This article came out some time within the last few months or so. If anyone knows what I am thinking of, please help me out! Thanks! In Tori, Amy, the choirgirl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:42:52 -0600 From: shiseidored@o-tay.com Subject: [none] Subject: ATTENTION TORI-HEADS!! CC: X-Mailer: My Own Email v3.0 I really hope this is relevant, but on my site, http://welcome.to/the_hotel I have added a section dedicated to all of you fanatics that have dyed your heair red, either in devotion to Tori, or cos you really dig red hair. All that is important is that you dyed it red while holding a deep interest in Tori. If you have a picture you can send, just fill out the small form at the end of this message, along with a attached photo, or send one later. Thank you all. *Cat* NAME: LOCATION: HAIR DYE USED: WHEN DID YOU FIRST DYE YOUR HAIR RED: FAVOURITE RED DYE: FAVOURITE TORI QUOTE(S): ~~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~ HOMEPAGE: http://welcome.to/The_Hotel ~~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~ ICQ #: 15455527 ~~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~ " i guess i'm an underwater thing so i guess i can't take it personally..." -Liquid Diamonds "i need a big loan from the Girl Zone." -Caught a Lite Sneeze ~~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~ _____________________________________________ Get your free personalized email address at http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:18:57 EST From: Freque79@aol.com Subject: Storytellers Oh God. Wow. I know people said before that Tori wasn't real happy about the whole Storytellers thing and there had been clashing feelings between her and the producers. BUT, I think she looked happy and beautiful, and like she was having a good time. They did, of course, cut out where she said "I'm gonna save this show," but at least they left the "off your asses" line in. I couldn't help but dance in my living room as I watched the show. I'm sure the neighbors think I'm strange. But wow, she looked radiant, and the music was fabulous. I started crying when she was talking about "iieee." Because I never realized that it was spawned by the miscarriage before. And because she had tears in her eyes, and the tone in her voice that one gets when they are really trying to not cry. I am so glad I didn't have to miss it. It came on at 9pm, and I had to work till 9. So I asked my boyfriend to tape it for me, but he said he wasn't going to be home, so I thought I was going to miss the first half of it. But when I got home and turned the tv on, I realized the VCR was running, and he had started taping it before he left. I love men who understand. Anyway, :] Mairie http://members.xoom.com/pianoqueen/ Ode to the Piano Queen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:42:27 PST From: "Amy Belden" Subject: Dew Drop Inn sighting Hi all! Okay, so I was reading this book for my black studies (the histori of jazz) class entitled "Jazz on the Barbary Coast." There is this paragraph which reads: "'The House of All Nations was operated by a Portuguese named Louis Gomez, who boasted that among his dancing girsl were to be found women of all civilized nations. Purcell's, THE DEW DROP INN, The Squeeze Inn, and The So Different were Negro places, employing Negro women, but catering to white men.'" (Quote by Herbert Asbury) Anyway, obviously this caught my eye. All the places listed there are whore houses and bordellos, some (or all) of which had bars jazz bands and dancing. This took place from about 1860 until 1917 when the Barbary Coast was closed down. BTW, the Barbary Coast was this area in San Francisco, CA in which much of the jazz music first originated. The Barbary Coast had many of the stereotypical '20s characteristics: gangsters, fights, murders, swing and jazz bands and dancing, whore houses, opium addictions, etc. Well, I just thought that was interesting. I certainly have a new understanding for the Dew Drop Inn now! If you guys and gals want to know more, feel free to email me. Amy, the choirgirl "Some things only she knows" ~Tori Amos ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:19:10 PST From: "Heather Parsons" Subject: [none] Oh WOW! Storytellers was absolutely amazing -- my GOD. I haven't enjoyed a Tori program like that in quite some time (and 20/20 does not count, because that's in a class all by itself -- I love you, Shannon!). It was rather odd, however, because I am not used to seeing Tori in such a...well, treated light? Do you know what I mean? All hazy and soft lighting and everything? Anyways...she looked GORGEOUS. I mean, EXQUISITE. I wanted to eat her up! I won't give a play-by-play of what she said, because honestly, I couldn't possibly capture the sheer hilarity of her Cher imitation, or the beauty in the story before "i i e e e" (my favorite), but here's the set list, for those who were not able to catch it... Opener: Winter (the last parts of it) Father Lucifer Hey Jupiter Silent All These Years (bridgeless, sadly) Precious Things i i e e e Raspberry Swirl (where she told everyone to get off their asses, and threatened Sue's ex by saying she's going to kick his ass with this song - -- hell YEAH!) Closer: Cornflake Girl I had only one question about the whole program and that is this: She mentioned a "love triangle" she was involved in when she wrote "Hey Jupiter"...um, ?????? This was news to me, and as much as I hate speculating, is this in reference to Trent at all? I was under the impression she had broken up with Eric by this point...so...does anyone know what this may mean? And the coolest thing is that whilst watching the program, I realized having seen the Tour, I miss the band! =) I mean, it's like they're part of the family or something...I want to ask them each how they're doing, and kiss Matt on the cheek...man, I want a TOUR...=) Heather =============================== "To absent friends, lost loves, old gods, and the season of mists; and may each and every one of us always give the devil his due." Dream Country http://gemz.net/sienna/dream ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:21:20 -0500 From: Jenelle Campion Subject: RE: tori ramble bamble mamble lamble camble ramble > > My room contains over 20 Tori posters, I have 46 cd's of her, I have many > books and vinyls, and my friend decides to call me obsessed? What do you > guys on the list think? ARE we obsessed? I'm beginning to think I am, > considering how much care I put into my Tori stuff and referring to her and > talking about her...hmm. > > I've managed to ramble...yes yes...I hope this pointless e-mail doesn't piss > anyone off...if it does..........the name's lucifer - mother lucifer *plays > james bond theme* > > much love, > Vicki > http://travel.to/desolate.winters Ive done alot of thinking about this myself. People have called me obsessed, but it never seemed to be a good dexcription of what i felt. I guess that would be the only way for a non-toriphile to try to understand us. My mother has started to refer to us as a clan....but i think its more than that. Its more like a family. A good reason that I know I am so devoted to her, is that I konw someone else out there feels what I do and can explain them....and I think alot of people really cant explain what they feel, i know i try, but can usually only get to the tip of the iceberg. Not like I need to explain to all of you how wonderful she is, but my point is that i dont think we are obsessed. We have just all found a way to open that door to being a whole person and are trying to bring as much of that into ourselves as possible. Her music is one of hte truly magical things out there, so I think that trying to surround yourself with hundereds of picutres and albums of this one magical thing is not necessarily bad. It can be over done and we all should remember to keep expanding our "musical" and other bounderies, but thats up to the indivudual. But hearing her is like therapy, wherein she takes you to places one may not always have seen in oneself, she forces you to feel deeply, and people usually hold so much back and push it way far down deep insdie and she gives us all such a release to all that buildup. And its not in a forcing way and noone else ever has to know how she makes you feel or why, so its completely private. And hopefully we can learn to use this emotional understanding in the rest of our lives. I know you all will understand how she does this, but the rest of the world dosent allways see it. But thats just what I think. Thanks for listening Jenelle "I can taste you on my lips, and smell you on my clothes. Cinnamon and Sugary and softly spoken lies, You never know just how you look through other people's eyes" - -----"Pepper" -the butthole sufers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:57:22 -0600 (CST) From: Serra Angel Subject: Re: doughnut song and other thoughts WARNING: This interpretation is rather graphic. Read at your own risk. On Sun, 21 Feb 1999 NerrrdGirl@aol.com wrote: > > so i was listening to my BfP and doughnut song came on and all of a sudden an > interpretation hit me: > so i think the song is about a relationship where the woman is doing all the > giving but the man isn't responding to anything she does. it ways "and if i'm > waisting all your time this time/maybe you've never learned to take" and i > think that means taht the man is saying that the woman is waisting all his > time...she shouldn't be spending all this time trying to please him becasue > it's not going anywhere. but she is saying that maybe he just never learned to > take any kindness, and it's her fault that he's being nonreseptive, it's his > fault for not taking kindness when it's there for him. *nods* Listen to this quote from the UtP days, I think she's referring to doughnut song: (Musician, 94.) "I'm writing a song right now about, no matter what I try to do, this person doesn't want what I want. Now, anybody can understand that. I mean, how can you not want to sip a yummy chocolate soda or touch feet together? *Even if you're the person who doesn't want it.* It doesn't matter what side of the fence you're on. The rapist knows"Me and a Gun." The boyfriend of the girl who was raped knows "Me and a Gun,"because he's had to live through it in a different way. The parents of the girl....We could go on and on. But on this new song, they're so afraid of getting hurt that they won't open their heart. They *know*." More specifically, though, think about Blood Roses and how affected Tori was by reading Possessing the Secret of Joy by Alice Walker. I've always thought this song was about a circumsized woman having sex. In the cultures in which this practicetakes place (specifically African tribal and Muslim cultures), women are little more than possessions to be done with at will. In Possessing, we hear how the women are sewn up so tightly after this operation, they cannot even pass blood normally during menstration, and men have ceremonial knives by the bed right after marriage to make that hole big enough for them to fit through. Hand me a trick - - as in turning tricks, sex a kick - - as if she's a dog and your message - - he's sending her something, specifically himself (penetration)... it's as if the communication is totally one way, which makes sense later on, when she speaks about remaining silent about how it hurts her you never gain weight from a doughnut hole - - this line is so intense to me. We have many levels here. First is the obvious, "hole" meaning sexual organ (think about how small a doughnut hole is). He will never gain weight (he is, in fact, burning calories) from his penetrating her. If she gets pregnant, however, she gains weight. In a more spiritual sense, though, he doesn't lose anything or take on anything by his "taking" from her. And inside she is a hole, empty. She's not really there. That is why, to me, the song is so soft; at times she's just slightly breathing the melody out. This woman doesn't have a voice in this situation; she is not allowed to complain. Then thought that I could decipher your message - - she almost understands why he's doing this to her; she ALMOST felt pleasure, though she has been mutilated, but alas... ...There's no one here, dear, no one at all - - "Don't worry about little old me, I'm off beyond the pale anyway. I'm inconsequential." And if I'm wasting all your time this time I guess you'll never learn to take - - He has the gall to imply this "duty" of his is actually for her, as if she's a waste of his time And if I'm hanging on to your shade I guess I'm way beyond the pale - - as we've discussed before, "beyond the pale" is an irish saying (correct me if I'm wrong on this). When people lose themselves in the moors, they stop looking for them (or letting them in to town) at the "pale", because they are thought to be haunted by the night spirits. As 'shade" is a ghost, here... this part makes me think she's also singing about Eric, and maybe seeing him a couple fo times after the breakup, but having him not really BE there, only a shadow of their former love is there. She's just chasing shadows. and southern men can grow gold can grow pertty - - Men never lose teir lustre; the "southern" aspect about this brings it to a universalproportion. We're not just singing about some distant disrespectful man off in Arabia somewhere, this disrespect if everwhere in the partiarchal tradition blood can be pertty like a delicate man - - the blood after sex with this woman, seen as a good thing, something that is right and true in the culture. copper to steel to a hinge that is faltered - - blood tastes coppery; the blood turns her hard, into steel, her "hinge" is broken and has faltered after penetration... that let's you in let's you in let's you in ...yet it still lets him in, over and over and over, as if she's counting every thrust, this pain is so great something's just keeping you numb - - I can never tell if she's singing to him or herself here, but I think either way works... she's numb because she's been forced beyond the pale; he's numb to not recognize her cries and sympathize with her > when she sings "you told me last night you were the sun now/with your very own > devoted satelight" this guy is just really full of it and thinks taht he's the > greatest...just like the sun..and the woman is is satelite revolving around > him....kind of like his slave. and she says "and i hate you" because she is > just so sick of his arrogant ways. YES. This is a continuation of that patriarchal attitude. Yet, she's expected to cheer him on npoo matter what he's doing, as an ornament at his side. "Happy for you" - this is a bitter twist. What gets me is how softly she sings "and I am sure that I hate you"... she's not really SAYING this, it's in her head while she has to smile on at him. I think there is a big correlation here between her sympathy for these women (as in Blood Roses), and her own feelings about love at the time. We know BfP is _specifically_ about the Eric break up, and more generally an attack on the patriarchy, and so she is also EMPATHIZING here, I believe. Muhammad my Friend is an early whisper of this issue in the progression of the album, Muhammad being the Muslim male icon. And Moses I know, I know you've seen fire But you've never seen fire Until you've seen Pele blow - - She's changing a male icon for Christianity into a female icon, with Pele. Also, implying Jesus is a woman does the same thing. Her attacks on patriarchies are prevalent throughout the album, and the manifestation in Doughnut Song is the specific attack on circumsicion, and the ownership of women in that sense. anyway enough babbling :) Hope this didn't offend anyone. I think Tori puts that sexual imagery there on purpose, so it DOES feel horrifying. Kahlan :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:19:37 -0600 From: bachelorette Subject: tori from 1994 i was looking through a friend's KU (kansas university) view book from last year (we are both transfers and ended up at Mizzou) and low and behold, a photo of Tori playing during the Under the Pink tour on the last page called "Events" -- just had to let you know. :) - -ally ___________________________ i've got no body on my side and surely that ain't right ___________________________ http://altern.org/antipathy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:44:19 EST From: Katapilla7@aol.com Subject: cover of new jackie HMM that picture of tori on the cover of the cd sure does put that "tori's gained weight" bull to hell. Wow she looks so so great! kat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:36:10 +0000 From: haves Subject: Storytellers for Sessions 20/20 OK anyone in the US, I have an extra copy of VH1 Storytellers on video recorded on a JVC Stereo VCR on SP mode available for a nice recorded copy of the SESSIONS and 20/20 broadcasted earlier this month. Let me know. jon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:31:20 EST From: Freque79@aol.com Subject: Re: Dew Drop Inn sighting In a message dated 2/22/99 6:10:41 PM Central Standard Time, blackdove21@hotmail.com writes: > Well, I just thought that was interesting. I certainly have a new > understanding for the Dew Drop Inn now! If you guys and gals want to > know more, feel free to email me. Don't necessarily assume that because that place was called the Dew Drop Inn, that it is THE place that Tori was referring to. Because, I have seen at least 10 different Dew Drop Inns in different parts of the country, none of which were whore houses or bordellos. They were just nice, normal inns. I guess she could have been referring that particular place, but it doesn't seem very likely. Mairie http://members.xoom.com/pianoqueen/ Ode to the Piano Queen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:19:59 EST From: DALV2@aol.com Subject: Re: thoughts on storytellers In a message dated 2/22/99 4:10:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, appos@hotmail.com writes: << she seemed a bit, idunno nervous about the talking part.. like when she said she wrote up like 7andahalfhours worth of stuff..and when she wiped her forehead as if to say phew.that'sdone. but i'm not sure of the reasons behind that.. >> ********I haven't seen Storytellers yet because I don't have a tv (but my parents recorded it for me, so I'll see it when I go to visit them). Anyway, it's interesting that she didn't seem very pleased with the whole situation. I know that she made some comments to the audience of the concert she had the night after she recorded it, and she said something like "If anyone every asks you to do VH1's storytellers.......run away screaming" or something to that effect. I wonder why the event was so upsetting to her. I mean, it's not like Tori isn't used to getting personal with her fans! Maybe something happend with the storyteller's staff to upset her....which would show up in her performance. Well, just some food for thought. Toodles! ~~Jolie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:27:10 -0800 (PST) From: "K. Fischer" Subject: Re: doughnut song I've enjoyed reading all the different interpretations people have of this song. I never thought of the "doughnut hole" as any sort of sexual symbolism before. I always thought of the line "you never gain weight from a doughnut hole" as meaning that you can never get anything or lose anything if there was nothing there to begin with. There is no such thing as a doughnut hole without the doughnut, because it is just an empty space. For me this is a way of saying that you can't really be losing much if the relationship was never really there. There were two people who looked like they were having a relationship, but in reality it was not an equal give-and-take situation so the love was never really there. This goes back to the doughnut hole not exisitng without the doughnut itself. You can gain weight from the doughnut, but never from the doughnut hole. Karin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:49:20 EST From: Katapilla7@aol.com Subject: Alamo Talula single hey I was listening to Alamo and I heard a line that goes like this I wish I could do what goat does???? maybe goat or something that starts with a go sound and ends undecernably. when was this song written and does anyone know the real lyrics. Kat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:05:07 -0600 From: "Mr Zebra" Subject: Can I play? Hello there :-) My name is Matthew and I just wanted to say Hey. I just subscribed to Precious Things last night after the marvelous Storytellers performance. For a few months I have been on Sarah's FTE list(and still am), and Sarah was my goddess, but slowly and steadily, Tori has been creaping up behind the throne. Well, last night ejected Sarah and now Tori has become my faerie goddess. *bowing* Don't get my wrong, Sarah is still wonderful and has a HOOOOGE place in my heart, but Tori is so wonderful that I can't deny her superiority any longer. I went to the Plugged show in New Orleans this year and I have to say it was the best concert I have ever attended. It kicked Lilith Fair's ass by a long shot. But I'm still going to Lilith this summer too. :-) I'm sure I'm not as big a collector as most of the people here, but I've got the 4 main CDs, Cruel/RS, Blue Skies, the Vid Collection, many MP3s, and a copy of my plugged who, but I plan to expand that tremendously. Btw, I live in Houston, so if there are any Ears with Feet in the "Bayou City," give me a shout. Also, if you didn't catch my name, I'm Mr Zebra. Several friends and I have Tori names, so...Matthew or Mr Zebra will be fine. :-) Matthew i don't want to come back down from this cloud it's taken me all this time to find out what I need ICQ# 298707 http://surf.to/gotsarah mdesorme@ocean.otr.usm.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:19:09 EST From: Pixieqwien@aol.com Subject: Re: [toriandmore] Tori Handwritten Booklet...help? Nope I am afraid that they dont carry it anymore, well not to my knowledge, I remember someone annoucing that they would only carry it if they listed the free booklet with the video purchase, but when I went there a few weeks ago it wasnt listend anymore :( so I guess they stopped sneding them out *sigh* Im going to break down and buy one, unless anyone knows where I can get one for like FREE?!?!?!? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 03:06:30 GMT From: "Julia K." Subject: Happy anniversary Tori! Just wanted to let everyone know that today (Feb. 22nd) is Tori and Mark's one year anniversary! I wish them many more to come... Julia :) P.S. I thought StoryTellers was one of the best ftcgh-era Tori performances that I've seen. I absolutely loved the iieee story and "doiyngety-doiyng" parts :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:33:50 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: [january_girls] No Subject Actually, the effect was from using 8 mm film. The friend I was watching it with noted that soon after it started. Video tape is really crisp and sharp, and 8 mm has a fussy, soft quality to it. Fairy Blessings Bethey At 11:26 PM 2/21/99 EST, EvilTori@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 99-02-21 23:22:15 EST, heatherspace@hotmail.com writes: > ><< It was rather > odd, however, because I am not used to seeing Tori in such a...well, > treated light? Do you know what I mean? All hazy and soft lighting and > everything? Anyways...she looked GORGEOUS. I mean, EXQUISITE. I wanted > to eat her up! >> > >I was thinking the lighting looked kind of odd, like her eyes were too bright >or something you know? I think they might've used a filter over the camera, >most likely to make her look younger, you know, soften her face. Just looked >like it to me. > >Robyn > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:09:55 EST From: "Plain Jane" Subject: Re: doughnut song and other thoughts Wowsers. heh. it was graphic ;) but i think you made lotsa good points. i mean i never thought about it that way. but wow. i can see it now. barb >WARNING: This interpretation is rather graphic. Read at your own risk. > >*nods* Listen to this quote from the UtP days, I think she's referring to >doughnut song: (Musician, 94.) > >"I'm writing a song right now about, no matter what I >try to do, this person doesn't want what I want. Now, anybody can >understand that. I mean, how can you not want to sip a yummy chocolate >soda or touch feet together? *Even if you're the person who doesn't want >it.* It doesn't matter what side of the fence you're on. The rapist >knows"Me and a Gun." The boyfriend of the girl who was raped knows "Me and a >Gun,"because he's had to live through it in a different way. The parents of >the girl....We could go on and on. But on this new song, they're so >afraid of getting hurt that they won't open their heart. They *know*." ... >Kahlan :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:01:00 -0800 (PST) From: with her nine inch nails and little fascist panties tucked inside the heart of every nice grrrl Subject: Re: thoughts on storytellers > just a thought i had.. > the question for Hey jupiter...she didn't rilly answer it did she.. > seemed like she kinda tiptoed around it... > yeah, i noticed that too, and i am the one who asked the question.... i asked her and felt bad it she sort of got this look like oh crap i dont want to answer that. the other thing that i found out later, the englihsman was john lennon, so then the part about the widow makes sense. > and she seemed a bit, idunno nervous about the talking part.. > like when she said she wrote up like 7andahalfhours worth of stuff..and > when she wiped her forehead as if to say phew.that'sdone. > but i'm not sure of the reasons behind that.. i talked to her at a meet and greet two weeks later and asked her if she remembered me and she said *oh honey i dont remember anything from that night i was so shitting nervous* so i guess she was some what intimidated by the thought of talking about her songs. she said at another point that wasnt aired that night, that a lot of what the songs mean are what you get from them. i think she did a wonderful job, and as she said at the begining she can hide behind the piano. there was another song she played and she told a story and then she got asked a question and admitted that she wasnt telling the whole story about some things, it was confusing. but i think that she was intimidated by the prospect of talking about her songs because she wants to keep some aspects to her self and personal. i dunno im done rambling melissa == tears create beauty sorrow grows flowers and someday all the stars will fall to the ground... that is when you will know... you are the reflection rather than the image _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:37:07 -0800 From: Frederica Rose Subject: Re: vh1 i know absolutely nothing about biology, anatomy or childbirth, but i was wondering if there's any possibility that the cervical cancer contributed to tori's miscarriage? anyone know if this is possible? love, freddie Margaret wrote: > Oh, sorry... > hadn't read the interview in a while, I forget exactly what it said. scuse > my ignorance... anyways, here's an excerpt from the article > > "Tori Amos, like that other sex symbol Eartha Kitt, is a woman who > admits that she herself doesn't get much pleasure from her own body, > sexually. In Tori's case this is her response to being raped > when she > was 22, a trauma she still is trying to deal with on a daily basis. > She reveals that her problems in this area were compounded over > the past > year when she was diagnosed as having cervical cancer. > "I had a procedure done and, for a while, I thought it > had spread > further than it had," she says. "But it wasn't malignant it was > benign, meaning that the cancer was stopped. Yet what also happened > to me in New Mexico, where I went to write, and record, this album, > was that at one point I was spraying Pledge polish in a cupboard > and I inhaled it and I got a lung infection which meant I couldn't > speak, or sing, for three weeks. And I really thought my voice was > damaged forever and had to do voice lessons on the phone, with this > voice teacher to try and get the natural corisone back on the cords. > "I was thinking 'what if I never sing again?' Then I'd say > "if I can't sing what's the point in being alive, is this person > worth anything at all?" And there were moments where the only > answer to > that question was 'no'. Then i'd give in to the self-pity that > comes > out in the song PGY, and in the lyric "They say you were > something in > those formative years"." > > margaret > > At 08:12 PM 2/21/99 EST, you wrote: > >Ummmm... there is no such thing as "benign" cancer. It's possible that they > >found a tumor of some kind that they found out was benign, which means it was > >not cancerous. I've never heard this story before, but it is possible that is > >what happened. Just a guess > > > >Amy > > > > - -- "Do you gotta have a have a tripledecker super fudge sundae with a goddamn cherry on top?"-Ani DiFranco ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #54 ************************************