From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #53 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, February 22 1999 Volume 04 : Number 053 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Thoughts...of Tori covering Led Zep [Thisbe5716@aol.com] Re: tori ramble bamble mamble lamble camble ramble [Bobdel123@aol.com] tori quote of the day [Blood4Rose@aol.com] Re: BfP progression [NerrrdGirl@aol.com] tori. [Talulagrl1@aol.com] Re: vh1 [Tripp Gwyn ] Re: Thoughts...of Tori covering Led Zep [Mac456789@aol.com] Re: vh1 [Margaret ] Re: New Tori Video [*~* ] Re: technical elements of Tori's music? [Mike Richman ] Re: vh1 [Thisbe5716@aol.com] Re: vh1 [MoneekaEWF@aol.com] tori in strange places [Dink6@aol.com] Re: [toriandmore] Tori Handwritten Booklet...help? [Pianobot@aol.com] Live from NY ["Hanna Paulus" ] tori covers ["Thomas Mazorlig" ] Re: technical elements of Tori's music? [cinders blue ] doughnut song and other thoughts [NerrrdGirl@aol.com] Re: vh1 [Margaret ] Jackie's Strength Single (vinyl) ["shyrrl *" ] Re: technical elements of Tori's music? [Shirley Ye Subject: Re: vh1 Wow, that is shocking. I had read about the voice thing in All These Years...but ...CERVICAL CANCER!!!! Where did that come from? Hmm, kind of gives you a new perspective on a lot of stuff. But I'm really don't think that is true... Tripp > *1994's Under the Pink was a self-described "impressionistic painting" that > sprang out of her battle with cervical cancer and the loss of her voice* > > what?? is that true? i've never heard or read about it before... > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:42:46 EST From: Mac456789@aol.com Subject: Re: Thoughts...of Tori covering Led Zep In a message dated 2/20/99 4:21:17 AM, motherlucifer@geocities.com writes: << >I don't know about anyone else, but I would love to hear Tori cover Led Zep's >"Going to California". It's my favorite song of theirs, and only Tori could do >it as well as Robert. That's my two cents! >>> I'm thinking that I could really see her playing (I think it's called ) "Fool in the Rain"....I know it's not the best Led Zep song, but.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:47:28 -0500 From: Margaret Subject: Re: vh1 Yeah, I think its true, read the interview called "the hurt inside" umm... I think its at fairy tales. She talks about how she inhaled pledge dust and had a bout with benign cervical cancer, its also a really good interview. Very emotional. A lot of people haven't heard about it though... Article appeared in the February 23 issue of Hot Press Vol 18, No 3 on pages 32-34. there you go... thats it. margaret > >*1994's Under the Pink was a self-described "impressionistic painting" that >sprang out of her battle with cervical cancer and the loss of her voice* > >what?? is that true? i've never heard or read about it before... > > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 23:16:31 -0600 From: *~* Subject: Re: New Tori Video Yes Yes! I saw It too! I was comeing upstairs and who do I hear singing from my livingroom speakers.. The luscious red-haired beauty Tori.. such a rare occurance. I have never ran to that couch so fast. Yepyep.. I saw it too! At 05:57 PM 2/20/99 EST, you wrote: > >I don't think this has been mentioned, but yesterday on Vh1 I saw a new Tori >video... much like Sarah McLachlan, VH1 has made a video out of Storytellers >footage. They made a SATY video. > >It was lovely, btw. ^_^ > >Love Always, >Lissa > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Love and Light... http://www.cu-online.com/~raccoon/nacho.htm "I can be Cruel, I don't know why." ~~Tori Amos "I think I made you up inside my head" --Sylvia Plath "In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: It goes on." ~~~Robert Frost "Rest assured that when I start to make you nervous and I'm going to extremes, Tomorrow I will change and today won't mean a thing" - --Meridith Brooks "We all want something beautiful...I wish I was beautiful" ~~~Counting Crows *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:04:25 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Richman Subject: Re: technical elements of Tori's music? > I am a serious student of music and I completely appreciate Tori's music > and the importance and beauty of it, so please don't generalize. She is > taught in music classes about music in pop culture, but since she does not > fall into a category of tonal or 20th century or new age, she isn't taught > in music classes. Niether are Elton John, Jerry Lee Lewis, or Bob Dylan > OR The Beatles - Not in classic theory courses. So before you complain, > put it in persepective. > > No offense meant, no offense taken. > Faery blessings, > Jenn It is so difficult to guess how history will place Ms. Amos. If we use influential musicians of the past few decades as a guide, it is the innovators who influence future artists who fare well. I have high hopes that in 5 or 10 years a new crop of artists will emerge taking various aspects of Tori music/creative process and using those as a point of departure to evolve. Btw, when I was an undergraduate, the music department offered a course in the Music of the Beatles. It may not have been a classic theory course, but it filled up within hours every semester :) Since she's so hard to pidgeonhole, with any luck, a new category of music may emerge to encompass Tori's music (or maybe she'll define it)! Cheers, Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 02:08:10 -0500 From: "sex monkey...that funky monkey!" Subject: while i was on the thought of networking with toriphiles... I also notice the great amount of interaction that occurrs with tori e-mailing lists, such as these, also enhances (in my humble opinion) the concert experience. My first Tori show was May 15, 1996, and I had heard about the tickets going on sale by listened to WDRE 92.7FM (which doesn't exist anymore, now it's WLIR..but GOD! WDRE used to WORSHIP Tori Amos!), and I had to go with my sister for "parental supervision" (she's like 13 years older than me). I didn't have internet access until 1997, so I had no real talk of Tori, except the two girls that introduced me to her...just them, and my dub of Little Earthquakes that one of them made for me (out of the most expensive or rare things I have of Tori, I think that dinky little tape is my most prized possession because it was my first Tori THING). Oh yeah, my point...hee...the latest Tori concert I went to was the MSG show on July 28, 1998. Now, by this time I had been well into my faster, better computer...I was well into understanding the workings of a computer, and the fundamentals of the internet. By then, I was already on two Tori mailing lists, and had erected a website for the lovely lady. Also, I had met MANY Toriphiles online, fell in love with one of them (who's actually on this list, I believe), and had met a few of them here on Long Island. Now, DDI was my favorite tour because Boys For Pele is my favorite album of all-time (but not my favorite Tori album...does that make sense?), but that show in July was definitely the best experience. At the DDI show I attended, I felt kind of isolated, not knowing any Toriphiles whatsoever, or that much about Tori, no less. At the MSG show, however, I was infinitely-times more informed and I "had my Tori-groove on." Conclusion and statement: I believe that interaction like makes going to a Tori show even more priceless than the experience already is. I'm sure this is not news to a LOT of you, I just felt like writing...thank you for reading if you made it to the end! loveintori, Vicki ToriPyro@aol.com "oh look...carkeys! bye!" - Ani - http://travel.to/desolate.winters ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:26:58 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: technical elements of Tori's music? Jennifer Roth said: > I am a serious student of music and I completely appreciate Tori's music > and the importance and beauty of it, so please don't generalize. Geez, I didn't mean to say serious musicians can't and don't appreciate the depth of creativity involved in Tori's music. I've been on the lists now for over five years, though, and I've read many hundreds of reviews and articles, let alone tens of thousands of posts to the lists, and so far, the only seriously analytical writing about the *music* I've seen by obviously learned musicians can be counted on the fingers of one hand. When I said "I'm convinced that Tori is doing a large number of musically revolutionary things, but that most of them are wildly underappreciated by serious students of music...," perhaps I would better have said "If Tori is appreciated my many serious music students as doing a large number of revolutionary things, then they seem almost never to bother to let anyone else know about it." Where have you been, Jenn? :-) > She is taught in music classes about music in pop culture, but since she > does not fall into a category of tonal or 20th century or new age, she > isn't taught in music classes. Can you explain what that means, Jenn? What is "new age" in this context? I assume you don't mean the likes of Yanni and John Tesh. Are you talking about Phillip Glass, John Adams, and Steve Reich? Speaking of Steve Reich, doesn't the repeating textural figure on the harpsichord in the live version of Sneeze remind you of Reich's works, such as "Trains" and "Drumming"? That was the first thing I thought of when I heard it. > Niether are Elton John, Jerry Lee Lewis, or Bob Dylan OR The Beatles - > Not in classic theory courses. The Beatles are at the top of my pop music pantheon, and I think Tori has learned more from them than almost any other pop influence--especially John Lennon--but I think the kinds of things she does on purely a compositional level go beyond what they were doing, especially on a consistent basis over the body of work. I'm speaking from a technical standpoint of doing things which simply are not done regularly if at all in popular music. How is the work of Duke Ellington taught? Is he given credit for the genius he had, and the uncategorizable work he did in moving the popular idiom into wider realms? I have the sense that Ellington is also underappreciated, and that George Gershwin has much more of a formalized place in the teaching of 20th century music, especially that which was written in the U.S. If you can speak to that a bit I would love to know what's going on with respect to those points. I believe that Tori's music deserves to take its rightful place of being taught alongside George Gershwin's and Duke Ellington's music, and that one day it might not be perceived as heretical to utter her name as a revolutionarily groundbreaking composer of music which has gone beyond what is typically considered pop music. I'll be curious to hear your thoughts on that, Jenn. I'm rushed now, but hope we can keep this conversation going. Here's hoping that any other students of music will be moved to share in this conversation. It seems difficult to get you folks to speak up. :-) Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:12:57 EST From: Thisbe5716@aol.com Subject: Re: vh1 Ummmm... there is no such thing as "benign" cancer. It's possible that they found a tumor of some kind that they found out was benign, which means it was not cancerous. I've never heard this story before, but it is possible that is what happened. Just a guess Amy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:53:31 EST From: MoneekaEWF@aol.com Subject: Re: vh1 In a message dated 2/21/1999 12:43:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, mpatton@mail.wesleyan.edu writes: << Yeah, I think its true, read the interview called "the hurt inside" umm... I think its at fairy tales. >> could someone please provide the address to this site? thank you. mon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:09:39 EST From: Dink6@aol.com Subject: tori in strange places hey, someone wrote about tori being played on HT radio....the station for a grocery store and how that was surprising...... twice now i have walked into an Eckerds drug store and dost mine ears deceive me? tori's cover of Angie was emanating from the ceiling! how absolutely amazing i thought. they dont even play that on radio stations, but its on at a drug store?!?!?! it was fabulous, just thought i would share :Þ lisa anne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:49:52 EST From: Pianobot@aol.com Subject: Re: [toriandmore] Tori Handwritten Booklet...help? In a message dated 2/19/99 4:52:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, tvanegas@umd.umich.edu writes: << hey, i remember reading a post on one of these lists (sorry for the cross- posting btw) that there is a website where you can order the Complete Video Collection and get that promo handwritten booklet with the order for free. does anyone know if this offer is still valid and/or they still have the promo booklets to give out? thanks trent. >> dearest trent... I haven't the slightest clue how to get one of these promo books-- i want one-- all i have is whatevers written from the book-- its at the dent.... anyways... if you get a copy i would love to know where you got from so i can a copy too. Love and what is a trent look like in winter?? tony ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:17:48 GMT From: "Hanna Paulus" Subject: Live from NY Hi everyone, I'm assuming a good portion of us have bought the Tori RAINN benfetit video Live from NY, and have had it for awhile...as I have. Well, I've watched it about a million times, and the thing is I still get excited before every viewing, and am still in awe of her performance as always, but this is not about the whole miscarriage issue discussed before concerning the video. This is just a simple little question: Inside her piano there is this sticker, or so it seems to be a sticker and it says: I love A = 419.876 But the number I just wrote is wrong, but it's something like that, and I was just wondering what that was, and what it means. Can anyone be of service to me? I hope so. Talk to you later. Love, Hanna "I know right now, only that it's in God's hands, but I don't know who the Father is"--TA, Talula (the song playing on the video right now" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:49:28 PST From: "Thomas Mazorlig" Subject: tori covers Hi y'all Haven't been posting in awhile. Life'n'shit, y'know. Anyway, I see we are back on the what Tori should cover thread again. I posted a long list last time we talked about this, which was probably in the fall. I don't have much to add but would like to reiterate that the Indigo Girl's "Shed Your Skin" would be too fab. It struck me the other day while listening to it that Tori would do a heavenly version of The Moody Blues "Nights in White Satin." I think to hear that would make me die. A few others: Leonard Cohen: Dance me to the End of Love Marillion: Jigsaw, Kayleigh, Lady Nina, Cinderella Search Genesis: Mad Man Moon, Dance on a Volcano Joni Mitchell: This Flight Tonight I guess that's all for now. Be well everyone. Tom "We own nothing, nothing is ours Not even love so fierce it burns like baby stars But this poverty is our greatest gift The weightlessness of us as things around begin to shift." Emily Saliers, "Everything in Its Own Time" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:41:33 -0500 From: cinders blue Subject: Re: technical elements of Tori's music? MC 900 Ft Richard Handal rapped: >I'm convinced that Tori is doing a large number of musically revolutionary >things, but that most of them are wildly underappreciated by serious >students of music--either because some of those things are over the heads >of many, or simply due to a lack of exposure to them. not being trained in music i'm not really in a position to comment on this, but i'm not convinced that the music tori writes is revolutionary. i do think it's pretty clear that she brings a lot more to a pop song than most average songwriters. with tori, the music could stand -- and has stood -- on its own. this, in and of itself, is not so revolutionary either as there are a lot of people who have upped the ante of pop music from simple 4/4 ditties to more complex compositions. what i find somewhat revolutionary is the combination of her musical skill *and success*. there aren't many folks who achieve a modicum of success who are doing particularly interesting things (from a compositional perspective) with their music. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:12:45 EST From: NerrrdGirl@aol.com Subject: doughnut song and other thoughts so i was listening to my BfP and doughnut song came on and all of a sudden an interpretation hit me: so i think the song is about a relationship where the woman is doing all the giving but the man isn't responding to anything she does. it ways "and if i'm waisting all your time this time/maybe you've never learned to take" and i think that means taht the man is saying that the woman is waisting all his time...she shouldn't be spending all this time trying to please him becasue it's not going anywhere. but she is saying that maybe he just never learned to take any kindness, and it's her fault that he's being nonreseptive, it's his fault for not taking kindness when it's there for him. when tori sings "you never gain wight from a doughnut hole" i think she's saying that you never gain anyhting if you don't try. like if you only eat the hole of a doughnut and not the whole thing, then of course you don't gain any weight because you havn't experienced the whole doughnut. when she sings "you told me last night you were the sun now/with your very own devoted satelight" this guy is just really full of it and thinks taht he's the greatest...just like the sun..and the woman is is satelite revolving around him....kind of like his slave. and she says "and i hate you" because she is just so sick of his arrogant ways. when she says "and if i'm hanging on to your shade/i guess i'm way beyond the pale" she's realizing that if she's clinging on to this guy for support, that she really must have no confidence in herself. it's like his "shade" is so pale, that if she is counting of him, this pale, loser, then she must be a bit pathetic too. she has to get off of him so her shade can become darker, and more full of life. i think this ong is ultimatly about finally coming to terms that this guy is just not right for her. that he's an asshole and she's much better then him...kind of like the first step of breaking away from somthing that is dragging her down. well, i hope all this rambling has come out to somthing... love rachel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:36:00 -0500 From: Margaret Subject: Re: vh1 Oh, sorry... hadn't read the interview in a while, I forget exactly what it said. scuse my ignorance... anyways, here's an excerpt from the article "Tori Amos, like that other sex symbol Eartha Kitt, is a woman who admits that she herself doesn't get much pleasure from her own body, sexually. In Tori's case this is her response to being raped when she was 22, a trauma she still is trying to deal with on a daily basis. She reveals that her problems in this area were compounded over the past year when she was diagnosed as having cervical cancer. "I had a procedure done and, for a while, I thought it had spread further than it had," she says. "But it wasn't malignant it was benign, meaning that the cancer was stopped. Yet what also happened to me in New Mexico, where I went to write, and record, this album, was that at one point I was spraying Pledge polish in a cupboard and I inhaled it and I got a lung infection which meant I couldn't speak, or sing, for three weeks. And I really thought my voice was damaged forever and had to do voice lessons on the phone, with this voice teacher to try and get the natural corisone back on the cords. "I was thinking 'what if I never sing again?' Then I'd say "if I can't sing what's the point in being alive, is this person worth anything at all?" And there were moments where the only answer to that question was 'no'. Then i'd give in to the self-pity that comes out in the song PGY, and in the lyric "They say you were something in those formative years"." margaret At 08:12 PM 2/21/99 EST, you wrote: >Ummmm... there is no such thing as "benign" cancer. It's possible that they >found a tumor of some kind that they found out was benign, which means it was >not cancerous. I've never heard this story before, but it is possible that is >what happened. Just a guess > >Amy > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:59:38 PST From: "shyrrl *" Subject: Jackie's Strength Single (vinyl) All right all my TORI fanatics, we just scored the new Jackies Strength single on vinyl, and can we say "IT ROCKS MY WORLD!!!" And it just gets better. The remixes are more techno based, and rely more on drum and bass rather than changing her vocals or adding just a drum beat. In other words, the songs are remixed, and well at that. A very great change from her more recent remixes (i.e. the crappy cruel remix). But anyways, the art for the single is F***ing gorgeous. Musically this is by far some of the best Tori music I have ever heard. I am very glad to see that Tori is letting other people mix her songs again. It's a nice retreat back to the Professional Widow/...of his Voodoo remixes, which I must say were absolutly incredible. Without a doubt this is an incredible single worth buying at any price. If ya want to know anything else about the single or anything Tori e-mail us at shyrrl@hotmail.com or visit our web page at http://www.angelfire.com/tx/shyrrl/tori.html Well until next time my little chickies!! the FLiPSiDe @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ @ @ "The most important thing i could ever say to somebody is, @ @ "sometimes i just breathe you in." @ @ - Tori Amos @ @ @ @ "What girls do to each other is beyond description. No chinese @ @ torture comes close." @ @ - Tori Amos @ @ My Pages: @ @ Tori Amos @ @ http://www.angelfire.com/tx/shyrrl/tori.html @ @ Tori Trading Page @ @ http://www.angelfire.com/tx/shyrrl/trade.html @ @ Vampire: the Masquerade @ @ http://www.angelfire.com/tx/Lethe/archive.html @ @ @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:07:06 -0800 From: Shirley Ye Subject: Re: technical elements of Tori's music? Sorry, this doesn't really fit uder "technical elements" - maybe cultural aspects? But I thought I would throw this in since I saw Mike wrote something about how history will place Tori. I know someone who is doing their doctoral dissertation on Tori Amos, Kate Bush, and maybe a few other female musicians' influence on women's gendered identities, and attempts to redefine notion of subculture to include "invisible" groups of people (women, more mature audiences) not normally included in studies of subculture (spectacular youth groups - read Nsync). But, nonetheless, there's not enough work done on popular culture. I have been playing with the idea of doing my history thesis on something Tori-related, her influence in popular culture, and why she is such a pervasive influence within her more ardent audience. Its really interesting to think about especially when you try to tie it in to American historical and cultural context - it gives everything much more meaning. Sometimes, though, when you place it within the larger context, it's easy to fall into the trap of reducing unique and meaningful personal experiences to a cultural pattern that is common among certain types of people > >It is so difficult to guess how history will place Ms. Amos. If we use >influential musicians of the past few decades as a guide, it is the >innovators who influence future artists who fare well. I have high hopes >that in 5 or 10 years a new crop of artists will emerge taking various >aspects of Tori music/creative process and using those as a point of >departure to evolve. > >Btw, when I was an undergraduate, the music department offered a course in >the Music of the Beatles. It may not have been a classic theory course, >but it filled up within hours every semester :) Since she's so hard to >pidgeonhole, with any luck, a new category of music may emerge to encompass >Tori's music (or maybe she'll define it)! Shirley Ye Berkeley, California shye@uclink4.berkeley.edu "in a man's world i am a woman by birth and after nineteen times around i have found they will stop at nothing once they know what you are worth talk to me now." - -Ani D., Talk to Me Now ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #53 ************************************