From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #42 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, February 11 1999 Volume 04 : Number 042 Today's Subjects: ----------------- queer mtv poll [the ] Sessions [plugged99@webtv.net (Rob Flores)] Re: Storytellers [Nadyne Mielke ] She's Your Cocaine tabs, etc ["strange as angels" ] Re: past the mission [Beth Coulter ] Re: Not the Red Baron [Beth Coulter ] Past the Mission - my Interps [ToriGalore@aol.com] Re: past the mission ["Enigma" ] Re: past the mission ["Erika and Alan Lewis" ] East Lansing on CD ["exterminating angel [trent]" ] Hi ! I'm new ["spark" ] Tori in literary pop book-magazine (dutch) ["Ruud van Melick" Subject: queer mtv poll if you visit the scary mtv site...in "mtv's popularity poll" tori is a choice for "Which artist do you think has the best lunchroom etiquette?" i don't know why...personally...i would rather vote to raid her wardrobe... smiles. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:25:21 -0600 (CST) From: plugged99@webtv.net (Rob Flores) Subject: Sessions Hi. I taped Sessions and may be willing to trade for quality audio/video boots. It's in hifi on a Super VHS tape in SP. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:05:51 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Storytellers At 09:41 AM 2/8/99 -0800, Becky Now wrote: > >Can someone please tell me when Tori is going to be on Storytellers? I >can't find the date. According to the nifty folks over at Really Deep Thoughts (the official fanzine, not the other mailing list), Tori's going to be on Storytellers on Sunday, 21 February. Also, don't forget that she's going to be on 20/20 on Monday, 15 February. {Don't worry if it doesn't air that date! If a major news story breaks, it'll get pushed back.} Many questions like "when's she going to be on (insert television/radio/print)?" can be answered by the folks at Really Deep Thoughts. They do a very good job of keeping us updated about things like this, and their website always has this information. Their website is . :) Another great source is The Dent, which is at . HTH. :) /nad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:33:42 -0500 From: "strange as angels" Subject: She's Your Cocaine tabs, etc hiya! ..i'm curious if there is sheet music (not only piano, mind) for She's Your Cociane available anywhere? Since FtCH was supported so much by tori's band, in the music book, does it come with anything besides the piano for anyone who has it? I'm auditioning for this big school musical talent thingie, and i'm hoping to get in (key word: hoping ;) with She's Your Cociane! ..any help would be so incredibly apreciated. I don't think it's very professional to audition with a song that i can't even get a band to play.. *L* thanks, gorgeous :rachael: ¸.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·÷× ×÷·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.¸ "you sign Prince of Darkness ..try squire of dimness" -tori `·.,¸.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.¸.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.¸.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.¸¸¸,.·´¯`·.¸.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.¸¸,.· ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 23:37:07 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: past the mission At 09:47 AM 2/9/99 EST, Plain Jane wrote: >so i'd love to hear people's thoughts.. > >barb. > >>i wanted to know other people's thoughts on the Past the Mission video. *disclaimer--these are my own thoughts, not reflective of either listowner or artist* Past the Mission has always struck me as an "anti-religion" song. "Past the Mission, Beyond the Prison Tower, Past the Mission, I once knew a hot girl, Past the Mission, I smell the roses" To me its meaning is "once I got past all of the religious restrictions, I found myself, I found the things that give me pleasure". And the part of the video where Tori and the women lay down has always meant to me, that Tori is daring the Priest, "will you walk on us, over us, to protect your patriarchy" which he obviously is willing to do. At the end, it seems it doesn't matter what the patriarchy wants, for the Matriarchy has found their freedom. *again, disclaimer, all my own thinks and not reflective of any one else's opinion* Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 23:56:00 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: Not the Red Baron At 10:47 PM 2/7/99 EST, DALV2@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 2/7/99 7:22:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, pigs@swva.net >writes: > ><< On a sadder note, has anyone thought that "Not the Red Baron" is about >AIDS? >> > >***That's an interesting take on the song. And it makes a lot of sense. Actually, I had read (or heard) an interview with Tori where she said that "red baron" was about all the people dying of AIDS, "the prettiest red ribbons" signifying the ribbons that activists wear. > Another point is that after Mattew Shepard was murdered in >Wyoming for being Gay, Tori played NtRB at a lot of her concerts and dedicated >it to him. Matthew Shepard didn't have AIDS, but he did end up being a >martyr of sorts. Anyway, that's my 2 cents. If I remember correctly, Tori was first asked to play something for Matt Shepard in Baltimore. She decided on "Merman", preceding it with "Happy Phantom". I don't recall "Not the Red Baron" being played for him, although I agree that he did take on a martyr aspect after he was murdered. A martyr against prejudice and homophobia. Sure wish it had made a difference in the long run. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:12:39 EST From: ToriGalore@aol.com Subject: Past the Mission - my Interps In a message dated 2/9/99 6:01:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jethro1980@aol.com writes: << In a message dated 2/8/99 11:23:50 PM Central Standard Time, shiseidored21@hotmail.com writes: << i wanted to know other people's thoughts on the Past the Mission video. it struck me the first time i saw it, i understood immediatly what the song was saying, you know the "that's it!" moment. at first i didn't like the women and Tori laying down for the priest, it struck me as wrong, but i eventually realized what it meant. >> well I don't understand the vid or the song. I've never really liked it that much or anything but I listened to it and read the lryics and all and couldn't figure what it could be about. The vid makes less since than the song does. If anyone wants to help with this I'd greatly appreciate it. Oh yeah I ready what Tori wrote about the vid in that Promo book and I'm still confused >> Here I go... I always thought Past the Mission was about Tori's feelings on how certain sects on the Christian faith don't allow their preachers to be in sexual relationships (I know I could be a lot more consise here, but my brain isn't in it's top form, sorry.). In the beginning, she's taking the role of the preacher, who might be confused on what he really believes ("She said she knew what my books did not/I thought she knew what's up."), but thinks that learning isn't evil, and wants God to know that ("I don't believe I went too far."). In the second main part of the song, she's taking the part of an onlooker, a friend of his lover perhaps, someone who isn't going to crucify him for his deeds ("I did too, but I shut my mouth/he just gave me a smile.") And at the end, he feels guilty and commits suicide, even though no one really knows why, except his lover ("Somewhere I know she knows, somethings only she knows.") The main part of the song talks directly about the confinements of the faith, comparing the missions to prison towers, and the "smelling of the roses" once you get past it's walls. I always thought the video was easier to understand. In the beginning, it's Tori with the two ladies. And as she goes through the streets, she gets quite a following. Perhaps she's speaking about women's cries for a faith that doesn't neglect them, and how men often fear that (watch the boys look on with fright). In one point, she conforts a young girl... the persecution of those young who don't conform to society's whims? And the deal with the priest might be that she gets that catlike grin on her face and has the women lay before him... he has to "walk over them" to get where he's going... i.e., how religion just walks over women for the most part. I hope that made some sense. I'm sick, and my brain isn't in top form. I hope this helped. Love Always, Lissa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:36:48 -0600 From: "Enigma" Subject: Re: past the mission Well, here is my take on the Past the Mission VIDEO: The part of lying down smyolises the fact that women have always HAD to lay down to the Church. For the women to lie down on their own is in a way an insult to the Church. Kind of showing them..."look at what we've always did for you"...kind of like...."here I'll just help you get it over with quickly and save you the trouble, you bastards." another way of looking at it is the fact that the priest must step over them all... "just because we lay down for you doesn't mean we're not an obstacle to you" an enigma - ----------------------------------- "I'm unclean, a libertine. And every time you vent your spleen, I seem to lose the power of speech, Your slipping slowly from my reach. You grow me like an evergreen, You never see the lonely me at all" - - Placebo - ----- Original Message ----- From: Plain Jane To: Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 8:47 AM Subject: past the mission > >i thought i'd taken enough english classes to disect anything. >but this. >this did not make any sense to me. > >so i'd love to hear people's thoughts.. > >barb. > >>i wanted to know other people's thoughts on the Past the Mission video. >>it struck me the first time i saw it, i understood immediatly what the >>song was saying, you know the "that's it!" moment. at first i didn't >>like the women and Tori laying down for the priest, it struck me as >>wrong, but i eventually realized what it meant. >> >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:36:28 -0500 From: "Erika and Alan Lewis" Subject: Re: past the mission > >i thought i'd taken enough english classes to disect anything. >but this. >this did not make any sense to me. > >so i'd love to hear people's thoughts.. > >barb. > ok, i know some of you have seen this, but i dunno.. sorry for the repeat but.... ok ok i'm playing smarty-pants, but hey they asked ;) thanks for reading i posted this to the list a few weeks ago... but since you asked (and it happens to be the one tori song/video i get completly)... i've read a few quotes here and there about what tori has to say about PTM, and she refers a few times to a book called "Holy Blood, Holy Grail." this is a neat book about how Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married at the wedding at Cana, and she was carrying his child of the davidic line, she ends up in france, and the gist of the rest of the book is that the merrovingin line of kings in france is the holy line of david. there's lots about how the bible was written in a kind of code, and stuff about the black madannas strewn about france. anyway... so this is where the song kinda comes from. i think i should just put the quote here.... "Of course I believe they [Jesus and Mary Magdalene] were together. Of course I believe they were a couple and that she understood things. She represents the Goddess, the female, the feminine, the joining, the equality. Some things only she knows. And until we acknowledge that there are some things only she knows; and there's some things only he knows, too; and until we have mutual respect, there's that prison tower, and there's that mission (church), and the hot girl got lost somewhere in between." (obtained from the torphoria webpage). i think that quote really summs up the song... well ok then Erika why continue the rest of the post... good question... well, i've come this far i might add what i think cus hey, someone might find it interesting, doubtful there's always a chance. some of the lines.... "she said she knew what my book did not" - mary magadalene knows what's not in the bible, she knows the real story. she knows the story that poeple have been trying to hide for centuries. some people have been seeking this truth out, but that's a whole other thing all together... "she said they all think they know him well she knew him better," - the book goes on to explain that Mary came first within the group following him, so she would know him best, and this angered some of the other apostles. "hey they found a body not sure it was his still their using his name" - it wasnt jesus who was on the cross, someone esle dies in his place (note these are theories in a book, and may or may not be my own). "she gave him shelter" - she hid him so he may appear to rise again "somewhere i know she knows, somethings only she knows" - again there are only things Mary can know, about Jesus and the about the world, she is the other half of the coin, you cant have one with out the other, and PTM is about the misson, or church, denying the feminine or "other." if you think of mission as a idea, rather than a place it makes more sense, ( forever i thought the mission was an actual place) so in the video, tori is with the two girls, and they go through the street and collect all the women, and the men watch, finally they reach a preist and she confronts him, "Some things only she knows," then they lay down and the preist walks over them, just as the church has been walking over women since its inception (we can thank paul for that). they have supressed the feminine. in some "occult" groups they worship Sophia, who they beleive to be the feminine side of god or wisdom. ok, if you've made it this far, thanks for reading.... i hope it made sense and was interesting... Be Well Erika ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:52:24 -0500 From: "exterminating angel [trent]" Subject: East Lansing on CD I'm sorry for the cross-posting but I am in desperate need of the final show of the Plugged '98 tour @ East Lansing. can anyone help me find this on CD (commercial or CD-R?) I would be willing to work something out.... thanks in advance trent. 'plumes of dirt caress the urine coloured sun swarms of angels come to kill your sons and theres nothing but black holes where the stars should have been nothing but black holes where the stars would be watching' --the creatures ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:31:26 -0800 (PST) From: Sarah Subject: js remix on real audio i'm having trouble finding the real audio clip of js on the atlantic site. can someone tell me how to find it? sarah _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 02:04:04 +0100 From: "spark" Subject: Hi ! I'm new Hey ,everybody,i'm like the new member of this. Now,the things are like this: 1.I'm from Yugoslavia,the deepest ravine of all so that makes me slight disadvaneged (never been to see Tori plays ,never heard LE(except "Crucify"-saw the vid.) and ALMOST all of the b-sides, don't own a copy of any bootlegs,I ONLY own copys of UtP,BfP,ftCh,and spark(4songs including)which I menage to get don't ask me how,don't own any of Tori colectibiles,etc.). 2.Look 1 and you'll see the picture. So,please convert me into a Ear with feet by mailing me and,if it is possible,arranging trading(money-cd's) with me.I can't say money's no object,but I could menage it,if you send me the prices. Now ,some of the things i read here,mostly about PtM song/vid helped me very much to get to a new level of understanding Tori's lyrics.And I thank you for that.Very much.Oh yeah. I have a question about a "Raspberry swirl" video I saw a couple of months ago.I mean,I don't get it. What's it about?And the lyrics are funny too;like Tori's resuming all "with or without men" thoughts she'd ever had.Also,I have a little analys of a "CaLS" video and an apocrif of what "C.girl"could be about. But first,I would like to see if I'm excepted here as somebody that doesn't goes on your nerves 100%. Sorry for the incorrect speling and a lose of english grammar(but i watch a lot of movies and read a lots of lyrics so I'm getting better with the language problems. Please,give me a feedback on this ,would you,anyone...anyone at all? spark taht twinkles like an icycle spark@eunet.yu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:25:27 +0100 From: "Ruud van Melick" Subject: Tori in literary pop book-magazine (dutch) There's an article or essay about Tori Amos in the dutch magazine Payola, which appears only three times a year (this is the January edition). There were only 1500 copies printed, which are sold out now, but there will be a second printing. Payola costs about $20, is shaped like a book and the articles are set up like essays. You're supposed to keep it on a bookshelf, so you can re-read it every once in a while. The magazine is primarily targeted at an audience that likes to read literature, but who also happens to be interested in popmusic. Some of the articles are translated from english, but others were written by dutch authors.... So I don't know if the article about Tori is a dutch original or a translation from something that's been published across the ocean. Source: Dagblad de Limburger, Feb 08 1999, a regional newspaper, which contains a magazine review each week. As you probably guessed, I don't have a copy of this magazine and it's not very likely that I will ever even see this magazine in a nearby bookstore... If anyone can find a copy, then I'd be more than willing to translate. My guess is that this is one of the more interesting articles. Regards, - --Ruud - ------------------------------------------------------------- What Language?... No, Dutch http://www.stack.nl/~rvm/tori.htm NP: Kristin Hersh - Strange Angels - ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #42 ************************************