From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #29 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Saturday, January 30 1999 Volume 04 : Number 029 Today's Subjects: ----------------- a rarity question for the dummy in all of us [Bobdel123@aol.com] Re: $$$Ideas [Frederica Rose ] TARP real audio archive [leila ] Re: Purple People [Rob Gueli ] Re: saty mermaid [Frederica Rose ] Re: mysterious poster ["Luna 17" ] Tori in Strip Clubs [intella-ed@juno.com] Re: BT+ ima [Frederica Rose ] Re: Album Covers [Frederica Rose ] Tori Stories ["Heather Gelmini" ] Re: precious-things-digest V4 #28 [Amazon8502@aol.com] Likelihood of Comercial Release for New JS Remix [Tripp Gwyn ] Re: BT+ ima [Spiky Purple ] Re: Pandora, other last songs... ["Luna 17" ] Sessions in Dallas area [Soraya Quiroga ] Re: YKTR ["Teresa EarsWithFeet" ] Re: Purple People [kelley ] Re: Album Covers [Ken Tough ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:46:38 EST From: Bobdel123@aol.com Subject: a rarity question for the dummy in all of us hey guys i was looking at sirencd.com and they have the japanesse import of choirgirl and i was wondering if i think they said 20.00 or maybe 30.00 dollars is a fair price. either one. its the one with the bonus purple people track. thanks guys all love in tori the raspberry swirl boy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:50:41 -0800 From: Frederica Rose Subject: Re: $$$Ideas okay, now i know that using an artist's photo without permission is illegal, but what about drawings? love, freddie am i hairsplitting? voodoo@mail.delanet.com wrote: > Sarah penned: > > > *Tori greeting cards > > *EWF photo album or something > > *Lyric book w/ some interpretations EWF's and maybe if we can find > > some interviews w/ tori's interp's or whatever. > > *Calendar (may not be good though cuz of the one out) > > *some kind of tori necklace > > > those are just some i got some more but i dunno they're kinda lame and > > these might be too cuz i'm not really business-minded. > > Well.. being some what business minded.. > If you don't have a signed contract to use the artist image or name > it's mostly likely down right illegal. > > i.e as the key chains and magnets seen on ebay... > > r, > Paul - -- "Bells and footfalls and soldiers and dolls, brothers and lovers she and I were. Now she seems to be sand under his shoes-there's nothing I can do. Can't stop what's coming, can't stop what is on its way."-Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:39:42 +0300 From: leila Subject: TARP real audio archive Hi all! So I Opened my new Real Audio archive and you can order any song you want. Latest addings are Baltimor, Walking With You, A Happy Day, Also we have pretty Tori song "Merman". The quality is perfect! Soon you'll find on our site some songs from Plugged 98 tour. Please, support our site, we need you help. Order songs and our music manager will happy and do his best for you :))) TARP: Tori Amos Russian Pages (+Real Audio archive) -- www.music.volkov.ru/toriamos P.S. If you have any suggestions, please, feel free to sign our guestbook. Best regards, Olga (Rus EWF :) mailto:leila@chat.ru ====================================================== Visit my home-page "Tori Amos Russian Pages" -->www.music.volkov.ru/toriamos My ICQ UIN #9943316 ===--------------------------------------------------------------------------------=== | Please, if you interested in Tori Amos and you can speak Russian | | or English, register in my precious mailing list toriamos-russian@makelist.com | | Also, you can register online in www.findmail.com\list\toriamos-russian | ===--------------------------------------------------------------------------------=== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:14:08 -0500 From: Rob Gueli Subject: Re: Purple People XMN93@aol.com wrote: > > you know how when baby's are born they are > slightly miscolored, like a blue purplish? well i'm guessing during a > miscarriage this is amplified, so Tori is singing about all the lost babies. > and in the part, "if i marooned o'er where the purple people go" she's > questioning where her baby's spirit is. that makes a lot of sense. is that just your opinion or has tori actually talked about this song? i went back and read the lyrics and it seems to fit even more with your theory. the reference to "the nurses make it clear" and "then lily white matricide from vicious words"- as in the nurses' words that baby was lost killed mother (emotionally). seems to fit. does anyone have the CORRECT lyrics for the song by the way? i got them off someone's website but i think they were just guessing. anyhow, the theory would also explain why 'purple people' was the b side of spark (also about the lost baby), and maybe why its the only b side to appear on the actual 'choirgirl' album (german version i believe). also, what's up with the '(christmas in space)' line in the title, and where did it come from? its not on the cd single... ...rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:35:21 -0800 From: Frederica Rose Subject: Re: saty mermaid this idea had never occurred to me, yet it makes great sense, especially with the title. i had always taken it to mean that she was helpless to compete with the other woman, and i guess that still works with your interpretation, but you definitely put a new spin on it for me. thanks! love, freddie Erin Martin wrote: > Hi! > > >what do you guys think the mermaid and jeans part in silent all these > >years is about? > > I'm glad you asked, b/c I had an idea on this I'd never shared. I think > this could be a reference to the Little Mermaid. The Little Mermaid sold her > voice to be human (i.e., what is widely accepted, something she wasn't, > trying to be a guitar, y'know) and that's what Tori's talking about. That > even though she's sitting there wearing jeans, she's something else. She > still hears her voice despite the fact that she sold it long ago. But her > voice is still there underneath. :) That's how I think it is...and she also > has the quote about sounding like the Little Mermaid on acid. :) > > Erin - -- "Bells and footfalls and soldiers and dolls, brothers and lovers she and I were. Now she seems to be sand under his shoes-there's nothing I can do. Can't stop what's coming, can't stop what is on its way."-Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:53:38 PST From: "Luna 17" Subject: Re: mysterious poster >i have a poster of tori lying on her back with a grey vinyl shirt/jacket >and it says plugged 98 with special guest and it is from hamburg >stadtpark june 11. I have that one as well, but I have no idea how much it's worth. I think I paid $10- $15 for it and I got it at Amoeba Records in San Francisco. love, Reagan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:00:07 -0600 From: intella-ed@juno.com Subject: Tori in Strip Clubs Toriphiles, I am not religious, I don't preach, but when I speak out about enacting positive change in a community, I try to make this point, Who needs to hear the message more, certainly not the "choir," and probably not anyone in the "church." The message needs to be heard and recieved by those who would not ordinarily hear and recieve it. I'll bet that the people who would dance to Tori in a club love her the same as you and I. The messages need to get to some of the people watching who would exploit them. Read the last verse of "Mother," I think this verse could have something to say on the topic. Peace, Poetry, and Tori, Edward V. Zepeda >please dont flame this. >and no disrespect. >but i dont think that tori would like. >her music played in strip clubs. >thoughts? > and Beth Said... I think Tori would love it! When playing the bars in and around DC, she made friends with hookers and found them to be excellent people. Tori believes in extreme tolerance for everyone. There is no one path to take, there are many, and whether one makes their money singing, or writing, or stripping, it doesn't matter. I think Tori would most whole heartedly approve. just my opinion, of course. Fairy Blessings, Bethey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:46:26 -0800 From: Frederica Rose Subject: Re: BT+ ima i am probably way in the minority here, but i think that there is nothing wrong with tori's music being played in a strip club. it's not like anyone is being victimized. the girls there want to be there. i see nothing wrong with stripping as long as it's voluntary. i don't think it's dirty unless it hurts someone. this is not meant as a flame on anyone who disagrees. and for anyone who is about to flame me because my name is freddie, so i must be a guy, the full name is frederica, and i am most definitely female. ok, you can flame me now. love, freddie Talulagrl1@aol.com wrote: > please dont flame this. > and no disrespect. > but i dont think that tori would like. > her music played in strip clubs. > thoughts? > > << I work at a strip club and this is the only Tori song they play with some > frequency. I suspect it because it has the dance beat, but I love to hear > how she modulates her voice in that song while I am waiting tables. :) > Not fully related, but I think it's interesting. I have heard Spark once > in there. Personally, I think they should play "i i e e e" or "She's Your > Cocaine" but that's just me. >> - -- "Bells and footfalls and soldiers and dolls, brothers and lovers she and I were. Now she seems to be sand under his shoes-there's nothing I can do. Can't stop what's coming, can't stop what is on its way."-Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:56:16 -0800 From: Frederica Rose Subject: Re: Album Covers i worry about this being the last of tori for a while too. i have the same speculations. sniff, sniff. love, freddie David Mobley wrote: > > I want to commend that person on that! It completely works! Any > > speculations on the next album? Furthermore, I wonder if Tori, now having > > gone to the darkest shade (of album cover and maybe even music) will > > return with a white cover for the next album. Anyway, just a few > > thoughts... let me know if any of this makes sense. > > you know, personally I'm wondering if Tori will even HAVE another proper > album for quite a while. I mean they're not even releasing that > double/triple live thing till DECEMBER, which means that Tori seems to want > at least some time off. I'm gonna assume that she's ready to "settle down" > and have a kid, and once she has the kid, I doubt she'll be in any big hurry > to get to touring again, and with a new album comes new touring, and I don't > know that Tori's the kind who will want to take a small child on tour, or > send the kid off to not see mommy for a few months while she's on Tour. > Anyone else think the same thing, or am I just speculating too much? - -- "Bells and footfalls and soldiers and dolls, brothers and lovers she and I were. Now she seems to be sand under his shoes-there's nothing I can do. Can't stop what's coming, can't stop what is on its way."-Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:06:04 PST From: "Heather Gelmini" Subject: Tori Stories Hi, Could someone tell me what the original Tori Stories looks like? How is it packaged and all that, and also, what do different versions of Tori Stories look like? Thanks, Heather - ---------every finger in the room---------- - ---------was pointing at me---------------- - ---------"Crucify"------------------------- _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:30:40 EST From: Amazon8502@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V4 #28 Hi everybody, I just wanted to let everyone know that while I was at Borders to see this band play at the coffee shop, I looked at the magazines and Tori was on the cover of Wine X magazine. This may be old news, but it's obviously a magazine about wine and they interview her on her different wine tastes and how she discovered certain wines. Hey it's different! By the way, it's the Dec/Jan 1999 issue. Alessandra ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:23:18 -0500 From: Tripp Gwyn Subject: Likelihood of Comercial Release for New JS Remix How do you guy's feel about a new JS single? I'm not so sure that it will be released commercially considering there was already one single for JS. But, I do know that nearly a month or two after the JS single's release, Atlanitic stopped making them. If you'll notice, at CDNOW, you can't order the single. And that's rather suspicious considering you can still buy SPARK. I really hope this isn't just a radio promo. Does anyone know who made the Wedding Cake mix? Tripp Gwyn tgwyn@infoave.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:01:32 -0800 From: gina Subject: Re: Tori and Neil G. hi, just to add an interesting tidbit...there's an interview with Neil in Take to the Sky #10 or #11. he says that tori called him up and started singing "horses" to him during the recording of bfp not sure exactly where to go with the song. he liked the song so much that she said, "ok, you can be in it." hence, the neil reference in "horses" :o) g. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:28:59 -0500 (EST) From: Spiky Purple Subject: Re: BT+ ima On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Nadyne Mielke wrote: > Tori has said before that she knew that "Leather" was being played at a > brothel. Given how many times she told that story in concert, I don't > think that it really bothers her. Hmm. I've never heard this story. On what dates does she tell it? And anyone got a copy? -=-laurie, who is personally quite fond of the "German police/ Amsterdam and drugs/ Phil Collins yeah i cut a record with him" story <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> I dare you to take me on I dare you to show me your palms -=-Bjork A web page: http://astro.ocis.temple.edu/~lratclif The boot list: http://astro.ocis.temple.edu/~lratclif/honey.html <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:39:16 PST From: "Luna 17" Subject: Re: Pandora, other last songs... >And for the Lord to be diagnosed (by a shrink) as "sound" (of mind), it shows the conflict of the sexes and how men have control even when they don't. >The concept of "hysteria" comes from the root of "female".. in the old days when a woman became overly emotional, she was dubbed "hysterical" and this was a clinical problems that women would actually become hospitalized for. Men supposedly have the advantage because they can keep their >emotions inside. It also goes further than that, because the word hysteria also has to do with the uterus, society began to believe that this was the cause of all "female problems", hence the popularity of hysterectomies during that time--they would literally remove the 'hysteria'. The Yellow Wallpaper by Charlotte Perkins Gilman is an amazing short story that deals with that concept very well, should anyone want to read more about this. love, Reagan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:08:02 -0600 From: Soraya Quiroga Subject: Sessions in Dallas area I just talked to someone at KERA Channel 13, our local PBS station here in Dallas, Texas, and found out Tori's Sessions at West 54th Street will be on at 1am on Sunday February 7th. The following is copied directly from the Sessions website: ~~~~~~~~~~ February 6 Tori Amos (one-hour special) Recent Grammy Award nominee Tori Amos is simply one of the most accomplished, respected singer/songwriter/ performers of her generation. At the forefront of the current women's movement in music that celebrates personal experience and independence, Amos has formed her considerable reputation with a stunning, expressive voice, astonishing keyboard playing and songs that cover a wide spectrum of human emotions. With her musical finesse she easily shifts gears stylistically from emotional ballads to playful jazzy numbers. During this special one hour edition of SESSIONS AT WEST 54TH she is captured in a rare, intimate setting, performing beloved songs from her four albums and two EPs that are sure to thrill her millions of fans and anyone interested in sophisticated, captivating live performance. ****** btw, which 2 EP's are they talking about? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:22:40 PST From: "Teresa EarsWithFeet" Subject: Re: YKTR <<>> Okie dokie...Y Kant Tori Read (YKTR) was Tori's band in the 80's. This is the band that kinda flopped...(I blame Atlantic!!) Anyway, the album is available on many bootlegs. My copy is called YKTR and Other Rarities. I love that CD so much. The songs kick ass, plus it has a few extra songs like Ring My Bell and Ode to the Banana King (part One). I would highly recommend buying it. I've seen the original available at Southland CD in Cali, but it costs around $150 or more...don't quote me on that cuz I'm not completely sure that's the price. I've also heard stories of people finding the original in old record shops. Ok...I'm gonna shut up now... Lots of faerie dust, Teresa :o) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:39:47 -0800 From: kelley Subject: Re: Purple People hi luke! XMN93@aol.com wrote: > << does anyone know the story behind 'purple people', > 'bachelorette' or any others? >> > > . you know how when baby's are born they are > slightly miscolored, like a blue purplish? well i'm guessing during a > miscarriage this is amplified, so Tori is singing about all the lost babies. > and in the part, "if i marooned o'er where the purple people go" she's > questioning where her baby's spirit is. luke interesting. i think she is talking about herself being a "purple people", that is, just a unique variety of person, who doesn't fit into any particular group... the line that you site (if i'm marooned, or where the purple people go) i interpret as 'i wonder if i am the only one like this, or if there are others and i just have not found them..... ' she also talks about being estranged from herself even at times "i watch me be this other thing"... i think the song is about her uniqueness, and finding other purple to share the epxerience with... bachelorette, i think is about her freedom as a femme.... in travel, relationships, in self... again, a "doll" reference. she also makes talk of how women treat the sides of themselves that want to be free "the things you do girls, to your bachelorettes..." hugs you. take care ~~kelley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:16:58 +0000 From: Ken Tough Subject: Re: Album Covers Amy M Belden wrote >LE=white, UtP=light blue, BfP=darker blue, FTCH=black >Moreover, they don't dip into any colors besides those three (white, blue, >black). Someone (*pleeeease forgive me for not remembering who deserves >credit for this*) figured out that: > >LE=earth, UtP=air/wind/etc., BfP=fire, FTCH=water I'm not sure where you first heard of that, but I remember when I first struck on the idea back in mid-1996 during the DDI tour. I'd been reading about the 'Medicine Wheel'[0] and the four directions were given various characteristics... I saw the existing 3 albums in them, with only one niggle: fire ought to have been water... BfP, the south, was surely fire. WEST NORTH SOUTH WEST Element Earth Air Water Fire Colour Black White Red Yellow Season Autumn Winter Summer Spring Time Present Future Past Momentary Human Aspect Physical Body Mind Emotions Spirit Quality Introspection Knowledge/ Trust/ Illumination change/trans'n wisdom innocence enlightenment Gateway to THE BODY THE MIND EMOTIONS THE SPIRIT LE UtP BfP ??? Now things didn't fit perfectly (like the fire that ought to have been BfP), but a lot of the more detailed descriptions really made me think about the album connections. When you look at stuff like this, one tends to disregard stuff that doesn't fit, and notice the stuff that does, so it's not really so much HOW much it fits or what it REALLY means, but the fact that there's so many angles for contemplation... e.g. Spirit of the North: (UtP?) "The power of the Spirit of the North is the power of renewal and of the quickening of the spirit. It is the power of Winter when nothing appears to be growing but inwardly the Earth is gathering together her energies for the new life that is to come. It is the white snow of purity - not the self-righteous purity of the do-gooder but the purity that is a compaction of power that brings concentration and clarity of intent. It is the power that turns water to ice, the power that gives ice its strength to crush rocks into pebbles. It is the power of night when the physical is dormant but the spirit is active. It is growth wearing the cloak of rest, and new life attired in the shroud of death." Anyway, I found I could apply the various descriptions to LE -> UTP -> BfP. The Autumn -> Winter -> Summer seemed to fit with the artwork and imagery, Black -> White -> Red seemed to fit also, and also with the "darker->more ethereal-> - ->more blood" nature of the progression. The body->mind->emotions progression also made me think of the very physical->mental->sensual imagery in the music of the LE->UtP->BfP progression. UtP strikes me as nothing so much as ethereal, but with a cold sharpness or strength like the glass shards in the artwork. The music is more pure, lighter, less layered and heavy than the powerful earthy Little Earthquakes. BfP of course was hot, sweaty, tear and sweat-soaked. LE was the first physical discovery of all those things that need to break out, the gathering together of strength and bursting forth from the bonds/lessons/hurts/failures. To quote [0] again on The Spirit of the West (LE): The power of the Spirit of the West is strength and introspection. It is the power of looking within to evaluate the lessons of growth so that realisation can develop. It is the power of growth to full maturity and of the consolidation of internal structures for the period of renewal that is to come. It is the power of self-examination and of the transformation of physical experiences into spiritual realities. The colour of the Spirit of the West is BLACK, the colour of the formlessness from which all form comes. [and the little earthquake develops...and we have...] And so on and on, with the Spirit of the South (BfP) including things like: The colour of the Spirit of the South is RED, the colour of vital energy and of the life blood. So finally, the East, which is the doorway to new things, and was traditionally the last of the directions on the wheel. I saw it as a leap off into new directions and a closing of a progression. I did make comment of this to Tori, but dunno if she read it. Still, to anyone who wants to look more into the use of this "4-way-division" of all things, to find themselves or contemplate, or just read up, I will highly recommend the book that inspired my thinking: [0] The Medicine Way: A Shamanic Path to Self Mastery Kenneth Meadows, Element Books Ltd, Longmead Dorset, published in USA by Element Inc, (c)1991 ISBN 1-85230-151-1 - -- Ken Tough ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #29 ************************************