From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #24 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, January 25 1999 Volume 04 : Number 024 Today's Subjects: ----------------- tori singles? [PWOBWEMOUS@aol.com] More Tori on Foxfiles [Starla ] hidden message in Spark remix [DALV2@aol.com] Re: snow cherries from france [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: fs: tori's birth certificate ["Plain Jane" ] Tori lithograph [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: precious-things-digest V4 #22 [Beth Coulter ] my liddo pandora interpretation ["Plain Jane" ] Re: fs: tori's birth certificate [Charlie Poole ] Re: Pandora, other last songs... [Serra Angel ] Re: Pandora [gina ] Re: The Dent/A Realm of... ["Elizabeth Landmesser" ] Re: Snow Cherries From France [krisis ] Re: hidden message in Spark remix ["Plain Jane" ] RE: fs: tori's birth certificate ["Steve L. Haas" ] What is Neil's whole name?!? [Wintdve98@aol.com] fun sighting! [ToriBoi@aol.com] Re: The Dent/A Realm of... [Mikewhy ] Re: tori singles? [Nadyne Mielke ] elemental albums? ["Erin Martin" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:17:07 EST From: PWOBWEMOUS@aol.com Subject: tori singles? i dont have any tori maxi singles,, i know... awww.. but was wondering if anyone could suggest the best? crows nest has these on sale for $6 (i wish i could buy all of them, but alas, not enough money now) winter cornflake girl god which one to you suggest as being the best of the three? thanks alot bethany ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:49:33 -0600 From: Starla Subject: More Tori on Foxfiles The intro to "Bells For Her" was also being played when this man & woman had completely lost their daughter to this one cult.. ~~Starla "You don't need my voice, girl you have your own." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:54:33 EST From: DALV2@aol.com Subject: hidden message in Spark remix ***Sorry to bother the entire list, but a lil' while back somebody mentioned a hidden message in the Spark remix. I didn't have my cd player at the time, so I couldn;t look (listen) for it. I thought I had saved the e-mail for future reference, but I went back and couldn't find it. Anyway, could somebody please remind me what the message was, and where in the song I might find it. Thanks for your patience. Here's a pic for your time. I LOVE this one. ~~Jolie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:06:24 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: snow cherries from france At 01:14 AM 1/23/99 -0500, Rob Gueli wrote: > >does anyone know anything of a song called "snow cherries from france" >that is supposedly one of tori's favorite songs written for 'choirgirl'? The last I heard, Tori said she hadn't recorded it, just written it. We can hope that it'll show up as a bee-side for her next release or, perhaps, on the live/bee-sides album due out in Winter 1999. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 00:51:34 EST From: "Plain Jane" Subject: Re: fs: tori's birth certificate i heard about this on the Dent's forum the other day. this is beyond obsessive. and who on earth would want a copy of this? for what purpose? gah. i think it's rilly kinda sick.. and i definitly agree it is very very poor taste :P going to extremes people? yeh i think so. warmfuzziesandsweetcandydreamstoyou. barb. > >i found something truly disgusting on the internet. somebody is >auctioning a photograph of tori's actual birth certificate. i'm not >certain if this is illegal (it should be), but it certainly is a >violation of privacy and shows incredibly poor taste at the very least. >i have written a letter of protest to ebay, but that's not the point. i >feel tori's management should be contacted, as this may be a matter for >their legal department. > >do people understand boundaries? or is everyone willing to scoop up her >shit and sell it online? > >g. _____________________ she is always and never the same _____________________ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:05:27 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Tori lithograph At 11:45 AM 1/23/99 -0500, Amazon8502@aol.com wrote: > I was just going through my Tori stuff and came across something that I >almost forgot I had. I was wondering if anybody else got this with your From >the Choirgirl Hotel CD. A record store here in Houston offered a Limited >Edition lithograph for the first 500 who purchased the new CD. Its a long >lithograph and it is just one of the pictures from the inside sleeve. Is this >really a Limited Edition? The lithograph was sent out from Atlantic to independent music stores to give away with sales of the album. "Limited Edition" only means that there's a certain number of these made and that there will never be another legitimate release of the same item, and it doesn't necessarily mean it's rare. Atlantic doesn't make something ltd ed and then print up some more -- that'd just be bad business on their part [1]. /nad [1] And it's not like they don't have enough other bad business practises. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 15:06:25 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V4 #22 It depends on if it is numbered or not. The one I got (won) from Newbury Comics is #3125 out of (I believe) 5000 prints. The number is in the left hand lower corner. At 11:45 AM 1/23/99 EST, Amazon8502@aol.com wrote: > >Hi there, > > I was just going through my Tori stuff and came across something that I >almost forgot I had. I was wondering if anybody else got this with your From >the Choirgirl Hotel CD. A record store here in Houston offered a Limited >Edition lithograph for the first 500 who purchased the new CD. Its a long >lithograph and it is just one of the pictures from the inside sleeve. Is this >really a Limited Edition? > >Alessandra > > Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 15:43:34 EST From: "Plain Jane" Subject: my liddo pandora interpretation hm one day i just got this song. well. i figgered out what it meant to me.. i put it on my page. um um this is what i had to say.. thoughts right now... "I'm not asking you to believe in me Boy i think you're confused I'm not persephone" it took me awhile to love this song..at first i didn't like it..i thought it was my least favorite on the whole album.. then i dunno i fell in love with it *Shrug* how odd i think i finally figgered it out :) i just kinda hit me actually. the whole persephone thing. ok i think of it a few ways in a tori related way: when persephone's down in the underworld we have winter, supposedly, that's the myth. when she's back up here things grow and we have a lurvely time or supposedly.. SO in a tori related way i think she's saying "hey i can't make things grow i lost my baby" 8( or in a torirelated or nontori related way: don't count on me all the time i can't make everything wunderful all the time I even told you, don't rely on me i told you i'm not that great sometimes i hafta crawl into my own liddo world. we all feel that sometimes i think. i know i do. that's just me no boy i'm not persephone and the real story of persephone if you wanna read it is: http://members.tripod.com/~raisyngrl/persephone.html > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:27:29 -0500 (EST) From: Charlie Poole Subject: Re: fs: tori's birth certificate On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, gina wrote: > i found something truly disgusting on the internet. somebody is > auctioning a photograph of tori's actual birth certificate. i'm not > certain if this is illegal (it should be), but it certainly is a > violation of privacy and shows incredibly poor taste at the very least. Gina, I understand your point but birth certificates are a matter of public record in every county in the US. Anyone can get anyone's birth certificate (or death certificate) just by asking and paying the nominal fee for reproduction. So there's nothing illegal about this. The only thing sad about this to me is that some obsessed idiot will spend a fortune for something they could have for the cost of a stamp, a few bucks, and some time. Be good to yourself, Charlie - -- Subscribe to the Tori and Everything Else mailing list. Send an e-mail message to toriandmore-subscribe@makelist.com or subscribe from http://www.findmail.com/list/toriandmore/ C.W. Poole | "Charlie" | cpoole@indiana.edu To me happiness, true happiness is when you can really dance with sad. --Tori Amos I have spent a lifetime learning how to cry. --Janis Ian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:42:17 -0600 (CST) From: Serra Angel Subject: Re: Pandora, other last songs... > 4. pandora's aquarium. the entire album is a mythic journey. this is > probably the most literal song on the album in terms of its mythological > references. Pandora was the first woman on earth and is blamed for its > problems (just like eve). "boy i think you're confused i'm not persephone" > persephone lost her daughter to hades for 6 months (?) out of every year > and grieved so much for those six months that she created winter. very > powerful symbolism here. Actually presephone is the daughter demeter lost to Hades. She originally was going to come back, bu she got tricked into eating the forbidden pomegrante and has to stay for winter. when tori sings this I think of get in totally grief over her lost child, sort of staring off into space (which is how Persophone is often portayed. Sort of the cold queen of the underworld, trappe din an unwanted marriage).. To me Pandora's Aquarium is about hope and coping with tragedy. At first she's in her little lounge wonderland, swimming around. Pandora was the woman who opened the mystery box and unleashed all of the evils of the world. Well in this story she has an Aquarium, which is some ways is more freeing, but in others is a cage -- a box where she can run around in circles, but others can see in. Of course the primary looker-in at this point is Mark. He's watching her float and trying to communicate with her, but she's stuck in her dream land (which I think is shock over the miscarriage). Then the music changes and she actually acknowledgeshim. I'm not asking you to believe in me - -- I can't promise you this will ever change, or that I will get over this Boy I think you're confused, I'm not Persephone - -- The unwanted marriage allegory I described above makes most sense here.. Foam can be dangerous with tape across my mouth - --Her aquatic nature (underwater thing) is coming out, but he's stiffling it, and it's choking her (very similar to "Years go by will I choke on my tears til finally there is nothing left" These things you do I never ask you how - -- She's actually point to him for blame for the tape across her mouth here, but she has this acceptance about it - ---------- To me this verse is her in defense of herself. She's saying "Yes I see you, yes I know you want to get in, but I don't think I can handle it right now so back off!" - ---------- Line me up in single file with all your grievances - -- OK I own up to it all, I have been hard to deal with. Let's just get it out Stare, but I can taste you're still alive below the waste - -- To me, stare here means as if he's boring into her for answers, as if in anger or disappointment. She's saying, you can do that, but I know I can still get to you, and I know you still love me. And sexuality is the way she knows... this line to me is her way of saying "We still DO have this connection." Ripples come and ripples go and ripple back to me - -- Double meaning, as the above line is. The first is "We may fall apart and we may come back together, but make sure you always come back, because I do want to be with you" And since she is the aquatic person in the song, the ripples indicate that she is probably the reason for the tug-of-war. The other meaning coincides with the sexual nature of the lastpart... perhaps the only way they can communicate at this point is through touch, the only way they can get through the walls of the Aquarium. (Geez I'd love to make a video of this song!!!) - -------- This verse says to me, "I know we have problems, and I know I'm hard to deal with, but I love you, Do't give up." What is interesting about the song is how she changes the verses after she withdraws back into "Pandora" land... it's as if in the center of the song she feels the most passion for him and hope, but then towards the end she gets frustrated, when the drums kick in and "I'm not asking you..." comes in, the strongest and most passionate part of the song. She's in new York somewhere, checking her accounts - -- I wonder if Tori or someone in her life was having financial problems during this record. This line and "Taking my easel and writing good checks, yes" makes me think that. In context of the song though, it's as if Pandora is being allowed a trip, and she's trying to find what she has left of herself after Hades (which is considered a rape and forced marriage in Greek mythology) The lord of the flies was diagnosed as sound - -- This line makes me laugh. In some circles Tori is called "kooky" or "stange' or "crazy" ( A guy at my work actually claled her creepy yesterday.. heh) and this song is kinda out there in imagery. Also, she's questioning her own sanity and what SHE has left after her tragedy.In "The Lord of the Flies" all the boys on the island go crazy (I think praying to the Lord, some sort of island god, but it has been a while). And for the Lord to be diagnosed (by a shrink) as "sound" (of mind), it shows the conflict of the sexes and how men have control even when they don't. The concept of "hysteria" comes from the root of "female".. in the old days when a woman became overly emotional, she was dubbed "hysterical" and this was a clinical problems that women would actually become hospitalized for. Men supposedly have the advantage because they can keep their emotions inside (I think this is a FLAW not an advantage, myself). The line is kind of a strange add on, but it makes sense in the context of Tori coming to terms with her grief and with her relationship with Mark. - ---- Geez that was long! Kudos to anyone who actually read through it ;) heh Kahlan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:11:55 -0800 From: gina Subject: Re: Pandora thanks to everyone who pointed out my mistake about persephone. i was delerious again. anyway, to torture you further i'd like to take a look at this song more deeply (this is a personal interpretation and differ from yours). "i'm not asking you to believe in me/boy i think you're confused i'm not persephone/she's in NY somewhere checking her accounts" i think tori is singing to the christian god here, as she blames him for her miscarriage & other recent misfortunes in her life. there are references to this in Spark and Merman as well. she's saying to him that she's not the queen of the underworld so get off her case. persephone is doing well, whereas tori is not. "line me up in single file with all your grievances" again addressing the christian god, who's made her suffer for her "sins" "stare but I can taste you^̉re still alive below the waist" christians have de-sexed their gods, but tori is saying she knows otherwise (official lyrics say "waste" but i'm sure it's a play on words) "the lord of the flies was diagnosed as sound" lord of the flies refers to Hades (or its christian counterpart, lucifer). tori did not make friends in the christian community with songs like God. i have a feeling this line refers to her music being labeled as anti-christian. in Merman she sings to her child "you're my little goat." since the devil is often portrayed in a goat's form, she's acknowledging that some people see her as anti-christian. so, she's basically taking a swim with the aid of Pandora, who knows a bit about suffering herself (Pandora opened the box that caused all evil in the world). with pandora's help she's able to address the christian god and say, "hey, why are you slamming me so much? i'm just trying to understand you." but this is only the beginning of the journey since it's the first song she wrote for the album. there's no sense of healing here. g. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:20:23 PST From: "Elizabeth Landmesser" Subject: Re: The Dent/A Realm of... Perhaps something could be done similar to what the other mailing list did a while back (I can't remember the name of it but it was always in digest form) as a sort of fund raiser-I believe they made a t-shirt that someone from the list designed and all profits went to saving the list or getting a server or something. >From: "Homer Simpson" >To: precious-things@smoe.org >Subject: The Dent/A Realm of... >Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:02:18 PST >Reply-To: "Homer Simpson" > > >As many people here already know Mikewhy (the owner of The Dent) has ran >into some $ situations in which he has had to inlcude some banners on >his page to help curb the costs for more web space and a new hard drive >for his computer. > >Similarly, Danica Knox has run into some problems with the server of her >wonerful, wonderful site A Realm of Mp3's. Due to the incredilbe amount >of mp3's she has, and the high demand her website has, she is looking to >purchase a sever which would only cover half of what she has right now. > >Both of these situations are very unfortunate. Danica and Mikewhy >really have done so much for the Tori web community. Both put >incredible amounts of time, spend a lot of money, sacrafice their grades >(I am guessing for all the time they spend doing their respective sites >instead of studying), lose a lot of sleep, and give up a lot of their >free time to makes us EwF able to learn and enjoy Tori over the >internet. Mikewhy has kept us up to date on everything that Tori has >done. I am sure many of you were like me and couldn't wait to get up >and check the setlist from the previous nights show during the recent >Plugged Tour. While Danica has provided us with a resource to hear >those precious live vesions of songs that we just couldn't do without. > >It saddens me to think that these two great people are spending their >own money for us. I really wish there could be something that we could >do to support them and help curb the financial cost that they are >spending. I can not think of something that would be both successful >and helpful for them. I really belive that something needs to be done >and would like to ask if anyone has any good sugestions. > >Thanks for your time > >Josh > >isreals_son@hotmail.com > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:15:55 -0800 (PST) From: Sarah Subject: Re: HJ, CALS, and death yeah i read that too (i got a lil tori stories book with the video) and i had never thought she died in hj but i guess so. do you know what the deal with the lil books they gave out w/ the video cuz i got one and none of my friends did or anyone else that i have talked too. i feel so special. sarah - ---RHPSshock@aol.com wrote: > > > I just read a booklet by Tori that says what her videos are about, and what > they mean to her. (I found it on the Dent.) At one point, Tori says that she > physically died in both HJ and CALS. I think this makes a lot of sense. BfP > came after the big breakup, and perhaps Tori didn't want to live anymore. I > know from personal experience that a big breakup can leave you feeling > hopeless, empty, and with no will to go on. (I'm sure many of you know that > too.) > I never even thought for a second that Tori was dead in HJ. I thought > the little girl had come to save her. But now that I've watched it again, > Tori is already dead up there. The little girl has come to take her to the > other side (an angel?). That explains a problem I had with it- wouldn't the > little girl get hurt? Not if she's an angel...and it also explains why nobody > saw them come out of the building. I assumed Tori was playing with different > looks with eyeliner, but it does make her look, well, dead. So, she and this > guy break up, and she kills herself. She looks peaceful in the car (or maybe > she's annoyed at the bouncing girl.), so she found solace in her death. > I think the CALS video came out before HJ, but I look at HJ as a prequel > to CALS. She died in HJ, and now comes the afterlife. This video makes more > sense to me as well. I'm not sure this is heaven, but perhaps somewhere you > go before you go to heaven/hell. I think that's what the whole fight with the > chair is about. She is torn into several people, all wanting to do something > different with their future. Also, I now realize why there were mourners in > the video. Before, I thought they were just another random, abstract, piece. > But then, why would Tori ever do something without a reason?! Thank you for > reading my babbles. I knew someone would. Love, Angelina. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 02:16:07 -0500 From: krisis Subject: Re: Snow Cherries From France I think this is the extent of the public knowledge regarding "Snow Cherries...": [from some chat with Tori] Beska_M: Do you ever write songs that "don't fit in" with the rest of an album? What do you do with them? Amos: Good question. "Cooling" is a song that was written for Boys for Pele and it didn't really fit in the album, so it came out as a B side for Sparks in England; you can get it as an import. And I play it a lot now; I tried to put it on this record but it didn't really fit. On "Jackie's Strength" I have two unreleased songs that are coming out as part of the CD [single], as part of the "Jackie" package. Obviosuly "Jackie" is one, and "Never Seen Blue," and the third track is called "Beulah Land." These two songs were also written for Boys for Pele and recorded for it but weren't right, so I held them, and now they feel current; they feel like their time is now. There is a song I wrote for Choirgirl that didn't come out and I didn't record it. It's one of my favorites, called "Snow Cherries From France." And I haven't recorded it yet, and I wrote it for this record. So we'll see. Sorry if this is redundant for you [since you probably found out about the song from this chat anyway...]. Since i never got to see Tori at a meet'n'greet to request the song, i'm hoping it either turns up on this new soundtrack, or that she puts it on the album coming out next christmas. At the very least i'd like to see the lyrics... - -peter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 02:16:49 EST From: "Plain Jane" Subject: Re: hidden message in Spark remix ooh :) could someone pass along the message to me too? :) thanks barb. > >***Sorry to bother the entire list, but a lil' while back somebody mentioned a >hidden message in the Spark remix. I didn't have my cd player at the time, so >I couldn;t look (listen) for it. I thought I had saved the e-mail for future >reference, but I went back and couldn't find it. Anyway, could somebody >please remind me what the message was, and where in the song I might find it. >Thanks for your patience. Here's a pic for your time. I LOVE this one. >~~Jolie _____________________ she is always and never the same _____________________ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 02:52:11 -0600 From: "Steve L. Haas" Subject: RE: fs: tori's birth certificate That's true. I said that it may be a family member or friend, but anyone can get it. Now, that someone WOULD is odd, but it isn't illegal. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-precious-things@smoe.org [mailto:owner-precious-things@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Poole Sent: Saturday, January 23, 1999 5:27 PM To: gina Cc: precious-things@smoe.org Subject: Re: fs: tori's birth certificate On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, gina wrote: > i found something truly disgusting on the internet. somebody is > auctioning a photograph of tori's actual birth certificate. i'm not > certain if this is illegal (it should be), but it certainly is a > violation of privacy and shows incredibly poor taste at the very least. Gina, I understand your point but birth certificates are a matter of public record in every county in the US. Anyone can get anyone's birth certificate (or death certificate) just by asking and paying the nominal fee for reproduction. So there's nothing illegal about this. The only thing sad about this to me is that some obsessed idiot will spend a fortune for something they could have for the cost of a stamp, a few bucks, and some time. Be good to yourself, Charlie - -- Subscribe to the Tori and Everything Else mailing list. Send an e-mail message to toriandmore-subscribe@makelist.com or subscribe from http://www.findmail.com/list/toriandmore/ C.W. Poole | "Charlie" | cpoole@indiana.edu To me happiness, true happiness is when you can really dance with sad. --Tori Amos I have spent a lifetime learning how to cry. --Janis Ian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:55:03 EST From: Wintdve98@aol.com Subject: What is Neil's whole name?!? Hey guys, today (since it is a yucky rainy day) my mom and I thought we should go treasure hunting. Go to a few small record shops and look for great treasures and we also wanted to go Neil comic hunting, but I have NO CLUE what to look for or who to ask for, and which comic has tori in it?!? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me REALLY soon! - -Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:52:57 EST From: ToriBoi@aol.com Subject: fun sighting! Just wanted to share a short bit with you all that definitely made my day! I just moved to Chicago last week, last Friday. So Friday morning of last week I left Richmond for Chicago... Somewhere in the time frame of noon and two p.m., I was on I-76 in Maryland towards the Pennsylvania Turnpike, enjoying my audio book that was to keep me occupied for the next 18 hours. So anyway, guess who passed me at about 80 miles an hour?? .,... Tori's parents!!!!!!!!! At first I said to myself, it couldn't' be. But I sped up and saw the Florida plates, and it was the same car they got out of when they came to hear Tori play in Charlotte this August... I was so excited, and my first inclination was to stay on their tale till hopefully they pulled to a rest area and then I could introduce myself again (I had already met them 3 or 4 times at shows), and just be cordial and find out where they were headed... Well,... I didn't, for two reasons: A) Tori's mom drove like a bat out of hell, and i didn't want to risk a ticket following them! :) B) I thought better of myself, it was tempting, but it wasn't right, so I let them pass out of sight, and felt lucky enough that I passed them.. Or rather, they passed me :) Joey ToriBoi@aol.com "ballerina's have fins that you'll never find" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 04:44:40 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Re: The Dent/A Realm of... Josh mentioned my recent financial troubles on the list and then Elizabeth said: >Perhaps something could be done similar to what the other mailing list >did a while back (I can't remember the name of it but it was always in >digest form) as a sort of fund raiser-I believe they made a t-shirt that >someone from the list designed and all profits went to saving the list >or getting a server or something. While my finances are a little tricky right now with the Dent and other things, they are not so bad where I would need a fund raiser though I am honored that people would consider it. If Toriphiles who go to the Dent use the links to CDnow and Amazon.com that are on my page, and then buy anything at those sites, I will get a small percentage. That alone should help me immensely! And don't worry, nothing will keep me from continuing with the site :) Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://members.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "I won't say GoodBye... only see you in the DreamTime. All of us, you, me will have adventures to share alchemy little SHAMEN in training we are never that far From Each other...interdimensional travel Until we meet again Hugs (it's a Bugs life)" Tori's End of Tour Message To The Dent - Nov 30, 1998 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:50:20 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: tori singles? At 02:17 PM 1/23/99 -0500, PWOBWEMOUS@aol.com wrote: >i dont have any tori maxi singles,, i know... awww.. >but was wondering if anyone could suggest the best? Well, "best" is pretty subjective. :) >crows nest has these on sale for $6 >(i wish i could buy all of them, but alas, not enough money now) >winter >cornflake girl >god >which one to you suggest as being the best of the three? All three are very good singles. I would suggest "Winter", since I think it's the strongest of the singles. Between "Take to the Sky" and "Upside Down", you're getting two of Tori's best (IMHO) bee-sides, and they appear regularly in concert. The Cornflake Girl single would be my next choice, but that's because "Daisy Dead Petals" is one of my favorite songs. God is good if you're into piano: two of the bee-sides there are only piano, no singing. You may be able to find those singles cheaper elsewhere, though. My local Tower has copies of each of them for $4.99. Best Buy and Circuit City have similar prices. The "sale" prices you listed aren't that great {assuming US prices, if you're in Canada, they're fine}, and if that's the sale, it makes me wonder what the regular price is. If you have Tower Records, Virgin, HMV, Best Buy, or Circuit City in your area, you might be able to find the same things for a little less. :) For that matter, CDNow and MusicBlvd online have them for similar prices. Both of those two offer special online coupons regularly, usually for $5-$10 off. CDNow usually requires a minimum purchase, but MusicBlvd usually doesn't; so you can get two of those singles for nearly free if you use a $10 off coupon there. You can get to CDNow at , Music Boulevard is at , and a big listing of online coupons is at (some of these are a little out-of-date, others are still valid). This is a good cheap way to pick up recent material and some vinyl -- using one of their $10 off coupons, Music Boulevard sent me two copies of the RS/Cruel single for free. HTH. :) /nad /nad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:04:50 -0500 From: "Erin Martin" Subject: elemental albums? Hi! I had a thought last night...I vaguely think somebody mentioned this before, so I'm sorry if I'm stealing somebody's brainchild. But I was thinking about a possible thread between the albums: Little Earthquakes=earth Under the Pink=air, wind Boys for Pele=fire >From the Choirgirl Hotel=water Judging by the imagery in each album, I'm thinking this makes sense. In LE she sings about the things that have been "buried" for so long. I'm still working on the UtP imagery, but BfP has a lot of fire imagery, in the artwork, videos, and lyrics. She says it's about stealing fire and reclaiming it and all that. FTCH's water references may not be as much of a "meaning" as they are where she was at the time. But the album is very full of them and she was spending a lot of time seeking healing from the water...water is a very mystical, powerful element, quite humbling. Like Dar Williams writes "the ocean said I don't care I'm not kind/I have bludgeoned your sailors/I've spat up their keepsakes/oh it's ashes to ashes but always the ocean..." I think Jason had a really good idea on arranging the FTCH songs in the order they're in in the sleeve. It does make a lot more sense, and this way there are little synchronicities, like the two songs that mention molasses are together and all that. I think this was one of Tori's ways of giving her intended message to her "real" fans while remaining somewhat accessible to the not-as-serious fans. She's mentioned that in some interview, that on FTCH, in places, there's much more clarity and accessibility, but that people who really listen will find the deeper meanings there. That's paraphrased, but oh well. So, will Tori's next album be called "the Fifth Element?" :) Hugs, Erin ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #24 ************************************