From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V4 #14 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, January 15 1999 Volume 04 : Number 014 Today's Subjects: ----------------- tori in newspaper! [jour ] info about East TN PBS Sessions at West 54th [cypresj@compsys.com] Re: precious-things-digest V4 #13 [Amazon8502@aol.com] Re: precious-things-digest V4 #13 ["*january grrl*" ] Looking for MEG STEWART [PRTCLMAGIC@aol.com] Liquid Diamonds Interpretation [Emilita3@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:36:08 -0600 From: jour Subject: tori in newspaper! hi hi, i'm a student at mizzou and tori was in the tuesday edition of the maneater cos she was voted as the best album of 1998 (tie w/b-boys). the online url is : http://www.themaneater.com/990112/arts/artslead.html the newsprint edition had a huge ass picture of tori from a 1996 photoshoot (professional widow era of '96). i'd scan it, but uhm... i don't know where my scanner is right now :) (the joys of roommates, huh?) i thought it was neat, so there you go. ally patron-saint of nothing ` http://altern.org/virgin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:28:23 -0500 From: cypresj@compsys.com Subject: info about East TN PBS Sessions at West 54th The Tori concert (Sessions at West 54th) won't be shown here for a few months, I just found out. I called our pbs station, and the schedule she gave me is: Feb 6-- Natalie Merchant Feb. 20-- Elvis Costello Feb. 27-- Cowboy Junkies (These were the good ones I thought I'd mention!) Apparently our pbs station is behind because they wanted to finish showing the program The Tour before they began airing Sessions. The program director is supposed to call me when they show it. She remembers Tori's concert being mentioned, so she knows they are definitely gonna show it, but not sure when. Probably late March or April, she said. She also is a big Tori fan and we chatted for a few minutes about Tori. ;) Here in East Tennessee, Sessions comes on Saturdays at 11 pm, right after Austin City Limits. Back to work! - -jen, fellow lollipop gestapo member ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 03:03:50 EST From: Amazon8502@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V4 #13 Hi there, This is my first time posting on this list, although I have been getting it for several months now. Since the subject of Tori hatred is so prevalent in the last couple of issues, I thought I would throw in my opinion. I have heard several people talk about being judged or stereotyped because they are a Tori fan. Someone made a comment about girls in baby tees and girls with black lipstick. Then people went on to talk about (in those same posts) about how Tori fans shouldn't be labeled, yet there was that same "labeling" going on from the same people complaining about it. I heard comments about "preppy clones" wearing Gap clothes. Then someone was talking about Southern Baptists being braindead, redneck assholes. Why would anyone who hates being stereotyped do the VERY same thing? I'm not trying to flame anyone (I hate that term!) but shouldn't Tori fans be from any walk of life? Do you think Tori hates girls who are at her concert wearing Gap jeans or a Tommy shirt? Or people wearing black with fairy wings on? I happen to be a Southern Baptist that LOVES Tori and some other musicians that wouldn't really sit well with the Moral Majority. I have piercings and I don't dress conservatively all the time, but thats who I am. And I don't get judged by God for it so nobody hear should judge what they don't know about or whether they should listen to Tori or not...... Alessandra ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:02:41 PST From: "*january grrl*" Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V4 #13 toriphiles, i couldn't help making the obviose connection: so neil geiman (sorry if i got the spelling wrong!) made tori a tree? literally, or did he draw her as a tree? or did he plant a tree for her??? i guesss i should take a look at te book. but lookie lookies! lyrics from horses: "one two three and if there is a way to find you I will find you but you will find me if Neil makes me a tree an afro a pharaoh" i guess this little favor was asked of neil a while ago, huh? :) maybe someone could shed some light on this. - ------------------------------ in the acknowledgments for neils new book stardust *which is a thick slice of heaven by the way* neil says this about tori..... "tori lent me a house, and i wrote the first chapter in it, and all she asked in exchange was that i make her a tree" ........he did.............too cute......... rachel - -------------------------------- http://www.eccentrica.org/toriphile/index.html Courtney's Little Plastic Castle http://www.angelfire.com/wa/fadedglitter/toriamos.html Butterflies Don't Belong In Nets (another tori amos website) "give me one reason to be beautiful" -hole "we scream in cathedrals, why cant it be beauitiful, why does there gotta be a sacrafice?" -tori, "iieee" "Growing up isn't always fun They tore your dress and stole your ribbons They see you cry, they lick their lips But butterflies don't belong in nets" -tori, "mary" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:16:09 EST From: Youre@aol.com Subject: Re: the "new" soundtrack song.. does any one know who is in the movie? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:51:18 EST From: NerrrdGirl@aol.com Subject: Re: neil and tori. this is cute. ummm, this may be a stupid quesiton, but who is neil? he's mentioned a lot in tori's music ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:18:40 -0500 From: becky Subject: Re: Liquid Diamonds Hi, all. "Liquid Diamonds" wasn't one of my favorite songs of the new album until the breakup with my boyfriend of several years occured this fall. We're back together, but, you know. I agree a little bit with the interp. given about the Alice Walker's book and, in Boys for Pele, Tori referred to the female circumcision in "Blood Roses". This song also hit me as being a return to the hurt experienced in BFP with the man in her life that she was no longer with. Would you like to read my version? Well, go ahead. "surrender then start your engines" A reference to "Cooling" with "I can't believe speed racer is dead" - maybe "for those on horseback or dog sled" Tori's eternal references to her friends, the white horses from "Winter", that always help her with her problems. Dog sleds only appear in the winter. "I hear she still grants forgiveness although I willingly forgot her" - she doesn't want to forgive the person that hurt her because she thinks of herself as an individual and purposely put that part of her life behind her. "the offering is molasses and you say" - molasses was her stability and she had to sacrifice something that was sacred to her to move on with her life "I guess I'm an underwater thing so I guess I can't take it personally" - she has talked about how the water is a healing element to her system when it gets out of whack - after losing the baby, etc. She can escape into that element and it's nobody's business but her own. "calling for my soul at the corners of the world" - When you lose a mate, you have to find yourself and it's an awfully hard thing to do. You have to go looking for something you lost a long time ago - your independence and self. "and if your friends don't come back to you" - when you make that kind of commitment, your old friends move on because they take a back seat for a while. I can never have the relationships that I had with them back, ever. Too much has changed and it's difficult finding yourself alone in the world. "and you know this is madness a lilac mess in your prom dress" - yeah, it's madness - your world has turned upside down - we shared the prom together and seeing the images in the old photographs meaning nothing is very hard. It's like running paint - it goes away in a big, wet glob. Liquid diamonds - yeah, tears. Just my ideas as to what it meant to me at the time. it might change in a few months. The great thing about Tori's songs. becky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:10:27 EST From: PRTCLMAGIC@aol.com Subject: Looking for MEG STEWART Hi ya'll. I'm lookin for MEG STEWART of kamloops bc, canada? I've been trying to get ahold of her thru email for the last two weeks, but ever since i sent out my package i haven't heard from her? I have traded with her before, but she has never disappeared like this.. has anyone heard from her lately?? Meg are you out there? Please respond. ~~KK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:25:40 EST From: Emilita3@aol.com Subject: Liquid Diamonds Interpretation I thought I would add my 2 cents to this ... First, I totally think music is up to personal interpretation, and songs that you may be totally sure mean one thing to you can take on a whole new meaning depending on what's going on in your life when you hear the song again, etc. I love Liquid Diamonds; when I first heard the album, it was one of the first songs that really struck me. I have always had ideas about what it is about from the very beginning, and that is weird for me to do with Tori's music, cause it usually take me awhile (sometimes years) to interpret her songs. Let me add that I have read parts of Possessing the Secret of Joy, a most excellent book, and I thought the other interpretation was very thougtful and may very well be what Tori had in mind. This will be pretty general, and bear with me because I don't have my cd available so I am going off memory. General overview- I think is about her miscarriage. - -The beginning about "Start your engines/for those on horseback/you turn at the bend in the road..." I thought she was setting up the race or game of life. Like, ok, this is life and we all play by the same rules and you just follow your course and it's all pretty cut and dry. We've been running this race for almost 2000 years, so we all know where the turns are, but Tori messed up and took a wrong turn by miscarrying. - -"You'll soon know what my mistake was ..." Her mistake was that she fell down the stairs and lost the baby. She is blaming herself for it. She is saying that women go thorugh pregnancies all the time and they seem to be able to carry their babies just fine, yet Tori feels like she was a failure. - -"I hear she still grants forgiveness, although I willingly forgot her ..." Tori is taking a little comfort in thinking her baby forgives her for not being able to carry it, but she is still blaming herself. She may be alluding to being careless while pregnant by drinking and then falling down the stairs with the second part. (Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought I read that she had been drinking the night she fell and miscarried). - -The whole "Liquid Diamonds" could be the baby because babies are contained in liquid inside the woman's uterous (sp?). - -"I guess I'm an underwater thing, so I guess I can't take it personally" Here the baby is responding to Tori, saying, "Well, I was really just a mass of tissue underwater (again, the amniotic fluids, etc.) so I can't take it personally that you couldn't carry me. It was by far unintentional, nothing personal, how could it have been when you wanted me?" - -"A lilac mess in your prom dress' The pregnancy theme seems to work here if Tori is alluding to the girl who had her baby in the bathroom at the prom and then threw it away. Perhaps Tori is saying, how could you throw yours away when I am heartbroken that I lost mine? This may be a stretch here. - -"Calling for my soul at the corner of the world, I hear she's playing poker with the rest of the stragglers..." She's calling for her baby, her soul. No one knows where souls go when they die. the part about the poker players seems like a little Tori-esqe reference to the afterlife, kinda like some of the lines in "Happy Phantom." Again, this is just what I think and by no means any more than that. I could probably make a stronger case if I had access to the actual song at this moment, but anyway, I would love to hear feedback. Anyway you look at it, the song is beautiful. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V4 #14 ************************************