From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #415 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Wednesday, December 2 1998 Volume 03 : Number 415 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Tori Research [ToriWidow@aol.com] CALS Version Of 'Hurt' [EvilTori@aol.com] Re: hurt lyrics [lissa ] Etienne ["K. Fischer" ] east lansing ticket [Yessaid@aol.com] tori's hurt is diffrent.here. [Talulagrl1@aol.com] "Neil, where are you now?" ["Heather Parsons" ] Tori in US book ["K. Fischer" ] the state college show [kel11@scasd.k12.pa.us (Montana)] Re: CDnow [Freque79@aol.com] re: Rasberry Swirl and Hey Jupiter Vids [Mystyglass@webtv.net (Cynthia Gl] Re: Rasberry Swirl and Hey Jupiter Vids ["Jennifer Dean" ] spin thing and what may come... [the ] tori.... [WINTER13@aol.com] hurt lyrics [Bachelor Ette ] last show ["Stacy N. Delmonte" ] Tori License Plate x2 [raisin girl ] Re: Lord of the Flies [Ulikeitho@aol.com] DDI - Boulder [Kate Findlay ] northern lights ["Daisy Dead Petals" ] Re: Rasberry Swirl and Hey Jupiter Vids [Beth Coulter ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:33:42 EST From: ToriWidow@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori Research Hi!.....i once did a research paper on tori, so i know some pretty good sources....one would be the latest version of the All These Years Biography...or, you might wanna try the collectibles book if you want CD info in the paper.....but, just look around on the net also...their are lots of good tori info sites out there Peace, love, and...well....you know what Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:14:27 EST From: EvilTori@aol.com Subject: CALS Version Of 'Hurt' Okay guys, so I've seen a lot of people post Nine Inch Nails' album version of Hurt, but I know someone asked for the version Tori did at DDI Boulder, so here it is.... can't stop now bringing you in pieces go crystal clear can't stop this journey now so hard to find my heart can't stop this wonderful girl this woman now this mother in us can't stop where we come from and I'll hold you close when you've hurt me once say say say I hurt myself today to see if I could feel I hurt myself today you said to try and make him feel so I'll hurt myself again to see if he'd see me I'd hurt myself again I know he never could see me Hope I helped whoever wanted this out =) Faerie dust, Robyn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:14:23 -0700 From: lissa Subject: Re: hurt lyrics Here are the lyrics to the version Tori did before CALS. Sorry, I can't get the second line: can't stop now be you in peace said (?) go crystal clear can't stop this journey now so hard to find my heart can't stop this wonderful girl this woman now this mother in us can't stop where we come from and i'll hold you close when you hurt me once i hurt myself today to see if i could feel i hurt myself you said to try and make him feel so i hurt myself again to see if he'd see me i hurt myself again i know he never could see me Lissa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:09:54 -0800 (PST) From: "K. Fischer" Subject: Etienne I don't know if this has been said before, but there is a character in the movie "Ladyhawk" that has the name Etienne. The movie is a love story about two people who have been torn apart by a curse. The man, Etienne, is a wolf by night, and his love is a hawk by day, so they are never in human form together at the same time. The movie is set in sort of medieval times. This interpretation is just one I thought I'd throw out since there has been a lot of discussion about this song. Karin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:02:49 EST From: Yessaid@aol.com Subject: east lansing ticket if anyone needs a ticket for the east lansing show, Danica will have an extra one. she'll be with mikewhy, the cost is $35, she's selling it for me because i'm not going but i got a ticket. so look for her there and maybe she'll still have it.. j'ason ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:20:37 EST From: Talulagrl1@aol.com Subject: tori's hurt is diffrent.here. here are tori's hurt lyrics.....from memory (improv) "cant stop this from coming cant stop this wonderful girl a woman now. a mother now. cant stop this from turning cant stop this wonderful girl so... (hurt) i...i...i...i... hurt myself today to see if i still feel i hurt myself today to see if he'd feel me so i hurt myself today to see if i still feel so i hurt myself today you know he never could see me...." does that help? rachel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:37:01 PST From: "Heather Parsons" Subject: "Neil, where are you now?" >>In Columbia, when she did Hotel, she said "Neil, where are you now?" >>which I think kinda reinforces the song being about Neverwhere. Jen wrote: >Okay, so I guess the song is about Neil, BUT... I thought she and >Neil were very close. She's his kid's godmother, right? So have >they lost touch? He's been seen recently on the tour, I think in >Florida, etc. It just doesn't make sense to me for her to be >wondering where Neil is. Anybody have any guesses? I don't think she was asking where Neil was at, per se, but rather just playing on her lyrics a bit, adding in the Neil as a sort of shout-out. (There was a rumor that Neil was at the Columbia show, but I don't believe so....if he was, dammit! I wish he'd been at the M&G...argh....) But anything else I can say about the Velevets and Hotel and Neverwhere was perfectly explained in the excerpts Beth posted, (Dear lord, Beth! You are PATIENT to even ATTEMPT that...) so. Neil where are you now? Under my shoe....in my piano...? hee hee It's sorda amusing to think of it in that sense... Heather e l s e w h e r e http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/4242/ "It's always slightly painful for me to realize I'm part of a cliche, too, but then everything's a cliche sooner or later." (The All-Knowing and Omnipotent Refuse) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:15:09 -0800 (PST) From: "K. Fischer" Subject: Tori in US book There is a 2-page picture of Tori in the new photo book from US magazine called "Outrageous". The picture is towards the end of the book, and it appears to be from this year. Tori is wearing a dark slip dress, and she is lying on her stomach on a couch. All photos in the book are in black and white. There is a photo of Sharon Stone on the cover of the book, and it seems to be in most "new release" sections. Karin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:58:05 -0500 (EST) From: kel11@scasd.k12.pa.us (Montana) Subject: the state college show Not too much was written on this show! I couldn't believe it! If anyone on the list went, then email me, I'd still love to chat about it, Tori played Bells for Her, for me. I have that one on tape :) I'm glad that my ancient tape recorder was not cruel to me and erased it. Also: the hurt lyrics that I have from the Boulder show are different to what Trent sings. I hurt myself today to see if I could feel I hurt myself today to find a jellybean you hurt yourself today I'm sure I'm sure that was from the RAINN show I believe, the hurt lyrics form the boulder show come before Bells for Her I think, and involve Beene. if anyone needs 'em email me and I'll post 'em tomorrow. - -montana ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 03:07:46 EST From: Freque79@aol.com Subject: Re: CDnow In a message dated 11/30/98 10:57:28 PM Central Standard Time, kmfelicetti@Juno.Com writes: > I was looking at CDnow and their Tori stuff(for the hundredth time). They > have two Tori t-shirts there, one that is called BLT Tori Hair. I'm > assuming that one is the shirt that shows her back with and her long > dangling hair like the Choirgirl CD booklet. The other one listed as Wht > Portrait I've never seen. There's no picture of it at CDnow etheir. Could > someone please tell where I could find a scan of the t-shirt? Or describe > the shirt to me? Thanks. I bought the shirt from them a while back, thinking it was something. It turned out to be a shirt I already had. Anyway, what the shirt is is the black one with half her face on it on both the front and the back.. You've probably seen it around, since it's a pretty common shirt. It's from the DDI tour. Hope I was helpful. Mairie http://members.tripod.com/~raspberryswirl/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:03:22 -0600 (CST) From: Mystyglass@webtv.net (Cynthia Glass) Subject: re: Rasberry Swirl and Hey Jupiter Vids Reagan wrote: >I thought it was just about the female orgasm, because of the 'if you want inside her, well, boy you'd better make her raspberry swirl'...meaning if you don't make me come, boy, you'd better think again before you try to get inside of me. Perhaps she meant more than just an orgasm, more like whoever her lover was better be willing to get down there and get in tune with her sexuality before things went any further. Then again, I could be missing something...it wouldn't be the first time : ) > Well, as I understand it from an interview she gave before her pre-tour show in Chicago, she said it was a love song to her best friend Beenie whose boyfriends were just "missing the point" with her...then she goes on to say jokingly that she "does not eat hair pie", but *ethereally* she's down on her...also the lyrics "things are getting desperate when the boys can't be men-everybody knows I'm her friend, everybody knows I'm her man" makes it sound like Tori is trying to give her friend what these other boyfriends can't seem to... But yes, she could also easily be trying to give the boys a little friendly advice by trying to at least *get* them to be men too... ;) I know what you mean... About the RS video I also came upon another idea for pinpointing the identity of the old man. (although a seemingly hopelessly ambiguous task) In the context of my theory about her trying to overcome her fear of going over to the "other side" of her sexuality, I was also thinking that the old man could be representing fear itself. And so he's always looming in the background of this big party going on in her head. He does have an awfully strange look on his face...like part of him is almost repulsed by the activity around him and yet he tries to lure her into it...perhaps fear showing signs of caving in...and in her insecure moments she reaches over and whispers her dark secrets to him confidentially...ok, I'm digressing I know... But you notice that he does not appear at the dinner table and disappeared from his chair in the shot before that, so maybe that was him going for good... Anyways, just more ideas, but I have to say that I *love* that idea of him being like the Cheshire Cat with the strobe making his face appear and disappear...in a fantastical way that makes sense too! Keep them notes and letters coming- Cynthia "The Glass Asylum" http://www.angelfire.com/il/glassasylum "I'm a loser at love, I'm a flower in the mud." - Sheryl Crow - "You do it..I'm bitter." - Crow T. Robot - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 02:23:30 -0600 From: "Jennifer Dean" Subject: Re: Rasberry Swirl and Hey Jupiter Vids Luna 17 wrote: >>Now we all probably know by now that Rasberry Swirl the *song* is >>actually supposed to be a love song from Tori to her best friend >Beenie, >>and makes reference to certain lesbian sexual activity... This is a recent quote I got from the Tori Amos Quote of the Day mailing list. I hope it helps a little. "I wrote it, for one of my girlfriends who just had a streak of men who really didn't get her. Sometimes I play the role of the man in my relationships with my female friends. I'm not talking physical, I'm talking on an emotional level. And so this is about being understanding. That if I were 6-foot-4 and had one less hole and a couple more round hairy things, there's no way that these men would be able to compete. Because I really think that they miss the beauty in the women that I find really attractive. They really miss it." - -Tori Amos on her song "Raspberry Swirl" - -Louisville Observer,10/98 Sharin' the Tori love- Jenn D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:18:04 EST From: RHPSshock@aol.com Subject: Re: Rasberry Swirl and Hey Jupiter Vids In a message dated 11/30/98 5:04:39 PM EST, luna17@hotmail.com writes: << >Now we all probably know by now that Rasberry Swirl the *song* is >actually supposed to be a love song from Tori to her best friend Beenie, >and makes reference to certain lesbian sexual activity... I thought it was just about the female orgasm, because of the 'if you want inside her, well, boy you'd better make her raspberry swirl'...meaning if you don't make me come, boy, you'd better think again before you try to get inside of me. Perhaps she meant more than just an orgasm, more like whoever her lover was better be willing to get down there and get in tune with her sexuality before things went any further. Then again, I could be missing something...it wouldn't be the first time : ) >> Well, I do recall Tori saying that the song was about a boyfriend of Beene's that she did not like AT ALL. I'm going along with the lesbianism/bisexuality theory. And I think that Raspberry Swirl is more than about sexuality and orgasm. I think it's that along with being respected and loved for who you are. It's about what women want from men, but (usually) can't get. Sometimes we turn to women for it, who we (usually) can count on to deliver. Just my opinion. -Angelina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 14:09:39 PST From: "Ms. Envy" Subject: Re: switching tongues hi erin ... i've enver heard of that either.. how can i get the goldmine newsletter? please let me know thanks ... " Envy " ... if my hearts soaking wet, boy your boots can leave a mess ... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 22:00:17 From: the Subject: spin thing and what may come... "Sarah Mclachlan checked her self outta this particular residency ages ago..." that blurb from Spin...what is this supposed to be saying? also...anyone have any words or thoughts on what may come now...ai, can't believe the tour is coming to a close... can you belive that on the 120 minutes thing i hoping ever so bad that the video would something new for cruel...guess that probably won't happen... someone mentioned tori's memoirs a while back...they'd be elating to read...i was thinking on my way home from one of the shows how wonderful it would have been if tori had been keeping a journal of sorts during her plugged tour and it'd be published...that would definitly make for good reading too... anyway, just thoughts and mostly me babbling... wishing an amazing time to those who get to see the last show...one of you has to write a very detailed review cause i know it'll be extra special... ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:10:23 EST From: WINTER13@aol.com Subject: tori.... do u have an extra ticket for e lansing??? thanx jen:) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:38:01 -0800 (PST) From: Bachelor Ette Subject: hurt lyrics Thanks to all who sent me "hurt" lyrics! I started to thanks everyone personally, but I've got A LOT OF emails about it. So thanks for coming through, EWF! p- == If I could start again a million miles away I would keep myself I would find a way. - --"Hurt" _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 17:12:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Stacy N. Delmonte" Subject: last show Hi, Does anyone know if there's going to be a Meet and Greet before the last show?? Or after the show??? Also, if anyone else out there is going solo, or flying out, let me know so maybe we can meet. Thanks, Stacy(delmst00@usfca.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 17:48:56 -0600 From: raisin girl Subject: Tori License Plate x2 >I got my license plates today! I was so happy! They look so good on my car! >They say ' RZNGRL 2' . How exciting! Okay, I just wanted to share. =) > that's cool! i've had rzn grl on my license plates for years now!!! i had 7 on the end, now i have 3 (a crazy mix-up too long to explain)... what state? leah ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:29:07 EST From: Ulikeitho@aol.com Subject: Re: Lord of the Flies IS it just me or are the lyrics "lord of the FILES" not flies...if you know that then i am sorry...but if not...just letting you know..because if you didn't know that then all the analyzing wouldn't really make sense concidering she really never mentioned "lord of the flies" ...but i do agree that most of the analizations do make a lot of sense... so sorry if i offended you in any way just figured i would throw my 2 cents in!!!!!! thanks... love lisa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:05:16 -0800 (PST) From: Kate Findlay Subject: DDI - Boulder Hey all... I was wondering if there was anyone out there who would be able to send me a tape of the DDI Boulder concert...i have heard so much about it. The only thing is...i am living in Australia, so it would have to be sent out here...i could send you something in return...i have a few DDI boots, and a UTP one...but that is about it (it is really hard to get them out here...unless you trade with ppl, but seeing as i have bearly anything to trade, it makes it almost impossible, unless you get lucky and find a CD boot, which is usually just a CD-R anyway...then have to pay $40-50 for it!) I would really appreciate it... Thanx Kate == http://members.tripod.com/~kates_page/index.html My lame attempt at a homepage!! "Give me life, give me pain, give me myself again" -Tori Amos "Find your self esteem and be forever free to dream" -Shania Twain _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 20:49:13 -0600 From: "Daisy Dead Petals" Subject: northern lights Hey all I was watching Nova on tv tonight, and they were showing a program on the northern lights. Appearently, these magnetic phenomenon are full of electricity. It reminded me of the only time I had ever seen the northern lights:about 50 miles from milwaukee, driving north, after the tori concert. We saw them for a good half hour to an hour. It was wild. Anybody got any Tori/northern lights theories??? Hang ten honey, Daisy Melanie & Lenny Green lgreen@coredcs.com "Why don't you get yourself some magazines and some hard candy-- something to pass the time." - --Bill Cox in Slingblade "Take the only tree thats left and shove it up the hole in your culture" - --Leonard Cohen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 21:29:26 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Re: Rasberry Swirl and Hey Jupiter Vids At 03:18 PM 12/1/98 EST, RHPSshock@aol.com wrote: >Well, I do recall Tori saying that the song was about a boyfriend of Beene's >that she did not like AT ALL. I'm going along with the lesbianism/bisexuality >theory. And I think that Raspberry Swirl is more than about sexuality and >orgasm. I think it's that along with being respected and loved for who you >are. It's about what women want from men, but (usually) can't get. Sometimes >we turn to women for it, who we (usually) can count on to deliver. Just my >opinion. -Angelina > At Storyteller's is where she told that story. That although she's married to her husband, She and Beene are *Married*. And there was a guy and Tori said one day she would kick his ass and she was doing so now with this song. She has said many times, in many ways, this is a love song woman to woman. That although she doesn't "go that way", she understands the feelings and this was the closest she can come to "going down" on her girlfriends. And the remark about turning to woman is real close. It more along the lines that a woman/woman relationship is all enveloping and more emotional that woman/man relationships. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:06:57 -0500 From: "Marissa Verma" Subject: [none] I have decided to keep my meet and greet review and my concert review separate because the experiences were so different. i arrived at the venue at 7:30 in the morning, then two 15 year old girls arrived shortly after me. to see the look on their face when they saw that they were #4 in line was really great, it was their first concert and they had made tori some wonderful little gifts.. Then the groupies game around. they said (rather rudelt i might ad) that had been here since one am, sleeping in the front of the building. well, i do know that no one was there when i arrived because i had walked around the building and had seen no one. so i ended up with #22 because the groupies said that over 20 ppl had been there before, ppl who had mysteriously disappeared. the girls ended up being #25 and #26; they were very sad. i saw the name list and there were huge blanks in the 1-20 area of it. basically if you were part of the group you were guaranteed a good place in line, because the ppl who had arrived had saved them a spot. i heard this one guy complaining about how after 15 or so autographs they had lost their meaning to him. my question is, why did he have to be in the front of the line then? comments like that were being said by the group time again.bragging was what was happening before the show, not sharing, not friendliness. now i am not saying that all groupies are evil, i am just saying that the mood there sunday was not a open and inviting one. i noticed some ppl who had seen her many times stepping back and i really think highly of them. but there were not enough ppl like that at this show. i was at the place from 7:30 until the meet and greet and i only left for a few minutes 2 times to use the bathroom, yet i did not get to talk to her. i still feel very lucky because those girls were able to get a decent place in line and i was able to get my drawing to tori. but i am angry about how things were run. i did not get to make eye contact with tori because the ppl ahead of me monopolized her time so. And to be honest, tori looked unhappy when she saw the front row of the meet and greet and only looked happy when other ppl got a chance to give her something or got to make some contact with her. unfortunately those moments were few. ppl defended the meet and greets by saying that they helped end the chaos, but they could be handled better. some ppl who have met her many times did and do step back. but enough ppl don't to ruin the whole experience. when i got to meet tori a few years ago i got shoved away before i got much more than hi out. but this time was still worse because i wasn't able to even get close to her. if ppl have to meet her 20-40+ times couldn't they at least wait in line like the rest of us do. what is going on now is high school bullshit. following tori around doesn't make you special, it just means that you can. you are not tori's best friends, you are not even her friends. you just don't have things keeping you from the jobs like most ppl do, things like jobs, school, or a lack of money keeping them back. now the concert: it was wonderful. it cheered me up a lot. it was the best show that i have ever seen. i have seen 5 now since 1994 (oh please don't think of me as a non dedicated tori fan because i haven't seen forty!). she did the most emotional set that i have ever heard. sister janet, winter, cooling and putting the damage in a row. winter brough me back to high school and made me think of my mother instantly as it always does, i was glad that i brought kleenex. i really wanted her to do hotel but oh well. hotel is my favorite song from choirgirl and i haven't seen it live. but the show was so wonderful. to wonderful for words. the PAlace is a great place, with great sound and beauty. and tori put a lot into the performance. i am still tingly from the show 2 days later. ~~marissa ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #415 *************************************