From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #414 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, November 30 1998 Volume 03 : Number 414 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Question about a Tori store [FiOnA0p@aol.com] Tori License Plate [EvilTori@aol.com] Re: Hear the west wind... [becky ] Cornflake Girl 7" Single [Matthew Hudson ] Re: precious-things-digest V3 #411 [cypresj@compsys.com] TIX WANTED FOR 11-30 INDIANAPOLIS SHOW AT MURAT!!!!!1 [Magadeline@aol.com] Re: (Tori-boot) Under the Pink Tour Necklace, dew drop inn necklace [MMor] Re: Rasberry Swirl and Hey Jupiter Vids ["Luna 17" ] Re: Lord of the Flies [RHPSshock@aol.com] Re: hurt lyrics ["MLD" ] Velvets [Beth Winegarner ] perhaps another meaning to "beulah" [Cindy26471@aol.com] Wanted: Torithings on TV [Wednesday ] Re: Hear the west wind... [Freque79@aol.com] Tori Research [Faerie268@aol.com] Re: comp video question ["Honey Drops" ] Re: hurt lyrics ["i have abused my so called power, forgive me..." ] Lyrics to HURT ["Pandora ~" ] Re: University Of Deleware, November 24, 1998 [Robert L Reynolds ] the akron show [machina ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:05:05 EST From: FiOnA0p@aol.com Subject: Question about a Tori store Hi! I was just wondering if anyone could give me the url for an online torishop that was run by someone named Ian. I lost it and I was remembering that it looked like a real good place to buy from. If anyone can help please email at Fiona0p@aol.com Thanks so much Yours truly, Fiona ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 02:23:09 EST From: EvilTori@aol.com Subject: Tori License Plate Hola EWFs! I got my license plates today! I was so happy! They look so good on my car! They say ' RZNGRL 2' . How exciting! Okay, I just wanted to share. =) Love in Tori, Robyn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:45:52 -0500 From: becky Subject: Re: Hear the west wind... Etienne is a very popular woman's name in France, I believe. I think the lyrics are pretty cut and dry. But, please, let's get a discussion up because this is one of my fave's. becky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 04:27:48 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Hudson Subject: Cornflake Girl 7" Single Hi, everyone. I just wanted to ask something to put my mind at ease. At the weekend, I purchased an old jukebox copy of Cornflake Girl 7" single (British release). Could anyone tell me the name of the b-side, because the huge hole in the middle cuts out most of the writing on the label. Thanks. == Have a blessed day, Matthew Hudson _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:00:38 -0500 From: cypresj@compsys.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V3 #411 On Fri, Nov. 27, Heather writes: >In Columbia, when she did Hotel, she said "Neil, where are you now?" >which I think kinda reinforces the song being about Neverwhere. Okay, so I guess the song is about Neil, BUT... I thought she and Neil were very close. She's his kid's godmother, right? So have they lost touch? He's been seen recently on the tour, I think in Florida, etc. It just doesn't make sense to me for her to be wondering where Neil is. Anybody have any guesses? - -jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:49:01 EST From: Magadeline@aol.com Subject: TIX WANTED FOR 11-30 INDIANAPOLIS SHOW AT MURAT!!!!!1 Hey everybody... i was looking for Murat tix for the Indianapolis show before and now it turns out that a very dear friend of mine is looking for one, possibly two tix for the 11-30 show!! she is willing to pay around $35 for each ticket but she will discuss it.... if you have tix to get rid of PLEASE email her or just plain ole IM her ASAP!!... her email address is Bluesirene@aol.com... please leave her a way to get in contact with you ASAP as well!! thank you everybody!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:11:31 EST From: MMorpheus6@aol.com Subject: Re: (Tori-boot) Under the Pink Tour Necklace, dew drop inn necklace that reminds me, i would really, really like one of the dew drop inn necklaces, so if anyone has one, i'd be willing to pay you for it, and also could tape a few boots for you... i'd be most appreciative... thanks, jaymz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:59:21 PST From: "Luna 17" Subject: Re: Rasberry Swirl and Hey Jupiter Vids >Now we all probably know by now that Rasberry Swirl the *song* is >actually supposed to be a love song from Tori to her best friend Beenie, >and makes reference to certain lesbian sexual activity... I thought it was just about the female orgasm, because of the 'if you want inside her, well, boy you'd better make her raspberry swirl'...meaning if you don't make me come, boy, you'd better think again before you try to get inside of me. Perhaps she meant more than just an orgasm, more like whoever her lover was better be willing to get down there and get in tune with her sexuality before things went any further. Then again, I could be missing something...it wouldn't be the first time : ) love, Reagan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:57:18 EST From: RHPSshock@aol.com Subject: Re: Lord of the Flies In a message dated 11/28/98 1:23:58 PM EST, spazmatazz33@hotmail.com writes: << but i just popped in the vid, and i dont see the queen there. now i see the cheshire cat. yes, i now believe that the man is the cheshire cat. the first time tori(alice) meets him, he has a ridiculous smile on his face. and the part where we see him for the longest period is when the lights are flickering on and off--the cheshire cat can disappear and reappear. also, that whole [on and off] part is during the "things are getting desperate" bit in the song and alice would call for the cat for help sometimes (if i remember correctly). >> That makes perfect sense. I feel so much better now. That was really bothering me. Thank you. -Angelina ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:40:47 -0500 From: "MLD" Subject: Re: hurt lyrics Hi all. Time for me to de-lurk. I have been a Tori fan since I hear SATY on college radio during the summer of 92. Since Tori, NIN, and Peal Jam are the musical Trinity for me, I had to jump in and answer this one. The lyrics for Hurt are as follows: i hurt myself today to see if i still feel i focus on the pain the only thing that's real the needle tears a hole the old familiar sting try to kill it all away but i remember everything what have i become? my sweetest friend everyone i know goes away in the end you could have it all my empire of dirt i will let you down i will make you hurt i wear my crown of s**t on my liar's chair full of broken thoughts i cannot repair beneath the stain of time the feeling disappears you are someone else i am still right here what have i become? my sweetest friend everyone i know goes away in the end you could have it all my empire of dirt i will let you down i will make you hurt if i could start again a million miles away i would keep myself i would find a way Thanks for giving me an opportunity to introduce myself. I love the discussions here! ~~Michelle > >Hello EWF great and small: > >Was wondering if anyone had a link to or an idea about where I can get >the lyrics to "Hurt." I love the version she does on Boulder '96 with >"Caught a Lite Sneeze" and would like to access the words. > >Thanks muchly.: > > >== > >You must remember >you're a car girl, you're a star girl >you're at the door > >--"Bachelorette," Tori > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:26:01 -0800 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: Velvets Sorry for the long post, but since people are asking about the velvets in "Hotel," I wanted to send along a post I wrote about a week before Choirgirl was officially released. I hope this clears things up! I know most of you haven't even heard the new album yet, but I couldn't keep myself from going into this tangent once I started to figure it out. One of my favorite new songs on the album is "Hotel," especially the stormy piano bit toward the end where she's singing "where are the velvets/when you're coming down." Sometime last week someone mentioned that these might be the same velvets that were mentioned in Neil Gaiman's novel "Neverwhere," and since I'm on a major Gaiman kick right now I decided I'd reread the book and see if that was the case. I'm guessing it is. Which means, among other things, that Tori's still making references to Neil. But I thought I'd quote the few passages that involve the Velvets, and let those of you who archive this kind of thing do so, saving someone else from having to go through the trouble of typing it up later. The main character in "Neverwhere" is Richard Mayhew, who rescues a hurt homeless girl named Door one evening, and finds himself in an alternate London, called London Below; it's a place where the homeless and dispossessed live, and they have their own laws and everything. The first scene involving the Velvets is an open market in London Below, where Door is auditioning for bodyguards (someone is trying to kill her). * * * Richard heard the clapping and walked toward it. Five almost identically dressed, pale young women walked past him. They wore long dresses made of velvet, each dress as dark as night, one each of dark green, dark chocolate, royal blue, dark blood and pure black. Each woman had black hair and wore silver jewelry; each was perfectly coiffed, perfectly made up. They moved silently: Richard was aware only of a swish of heavy velvet as they went past, a swish that sounded almost like a sigh. The last of the women, the one dressed in utter black, the palest and most beautiful, smiled at Richard. He smiled back at her, warily. Then he walked on toward the audition. * * * [much later in the novel] A rich female voice asked from the darkness, "Hss. Any idea when the next market is?" She stepped into the light. She wore silver jewelry, and her dark hair was perfectly coiffed. She was very pale, and her long dress was jet black velvet. Richard knew immediately that he had seen her before, but it took him a few moments to place her: the first Floating Marker, that was it - -- in Harrods. She had smiled at him. "Tonight," said Hunter [Door's bodyguard]. "Belfast." "Thank you," said the woman. She had the most amazing eyes, thought Richard. They were the color of foxgloves. "I'll see you there," she said, and she looked at Richard as she said it. Then she looked away, a little shyly; she stepped into the shadows, and she was gone. "Who was that?" asked Richard. "They call themselves Velvets," said Door. "They sleep down here during the day, and walk the Upworld at night." "Are they dangerous?" asked Richard. "Everybody's dangerous," said Hunter. * * * "Hello again," said a rich voice beside him. It was the pale woman they had met in the caves, with the black dress and the foxglove eyes. "Hullo," said Richard, with a smile. "--Oh, and some papadums, please. You, um. Here for curry?" She fixed him with her violet gaze and said, in mock Bela Lugosi, "I do not eat... curry." And then she laughed, a lavish, delighted laugh, and Richard found himself realizing how long it had been since he had shared a joke with a woman. "Oh. Um. Richard. Richard Mayhew." He stuck out his hand. She touched it with her own hand, in something a little like a handshake. Her fingers were very cold, but then, late at night, at the end of autumn, on a ship out on the Thames, everything is very cold. "Lamia," she said. "I'm a Velvet." "Ah," he said. "Right. Are there a lot of you?" "A few," she said. Richard collected the containers with the curry. "What do you do?" "When I'm not looking for food," she said with a smile, "I'm a guide. I know every inch of the Underside." Hunter, who Richard could have sworn had been over on the other side of the stall, was standing next to Lamia. "He's not yours." Lamia smiled sweetly. "I'll be the judge of that," she said. Richard said, "Hunter, this is Lamia. She's a Velcro." "Vel-vet," corrected Lamia, sweetly. "She's a guide." "I'll take you wherever you want to go." Hunter took the bag with the food in it from Richard. "Time to go back," she said. "Well," said Richard. "We're off to see the you-know-what, maybe she could help." Hunter said nothing; instead, she looked at Richard. Had she looked at him that way the day before, he would have dropped the subject. But that was then. "Let's see what Door thinks," said Richard. * * * "Door," said Richard, "this is Lamia. She's a guide. She says she can take us anywhere in the Underside." "Anywhere?" Door munched a papadum. "Anywhere," said Lamia. Door put her head on one side. "Do you know where the Angel Islington is?" Lamia blinked, slowly, long lashes covering and revealing her foxglove-colored eyes. "Islington?" she said. "You can't go there..." "Do you know?" "Down Street," said Lamia. "The end of Down Street. But it's not safe." Hunter had been watching this conversation, arms folded and unimpressed. Now she said, "We don't need a guide." "Well," said Richard. "I think we do. The marquis isn't around anywhere. We know it's going to be a dangerous journey. We have to get the ... the thing I got ... to the Angel. And then he'll tell Door about her family, and he'll tell me how to get home." Lamia looked up at Hunter with delight. "And he can give you brains," she said, cheerfully, "and me a heart." Door wiped the last of the curry from her bowl with her fingers, and licked them. "We'll be fine, just the three of us, Richard. We cannot afford a guide." Lamia bridled. "I'll take my payment from him, not you." "And what payment would your kind demand?" asked Hunter. "That," said Lamia with a sweet smile, "is for me to know and him to wonder." Door shook her head. "I really don't think so." Richard snorted. "You just don't like it that I'm figuring everything out for once, instead of following blindly behind you, going where I'm told." "That's not it at all." "Well, Hunter. Do *you* know the way to Islington?" Hunter shook her head. Door sighed. "We should get a move on. Down Street, you say?" Lamia smiled with plum-colored lips. "Yes, lady." * * * They walked off the ship, down the long gangplank, and onto the shore, where they went down some steps, through a long, unlit underpass, and up again. Lamia strode confidently ahead of them. She brought them out in a small, cobbled alley, Gaslights burned and sputtered on the walls. "Third door along," she said. They stopped in front of the door. There was a brass plate on it, which said: THE ROYAL SOCIETY FOR THE PREVENTION OF CRUELTY TO HOUSES And beneath that, in smaller letters: DOWN STREET. PLEASE KNOCK. "You get to the street through the house?" asked Richard. "No," said Lamia. "The street is in the house." * * * [to avoid typing a lot of things not directly related to Lamia, I'll summazrize: they go into the house, and get into an elevator that goes.. down. Richard says of Lamia, "[she] smelled, intoxicatingly, of honeysuckle and lily of the valley and musk." When they get out of the elevator, they come to a wooden ledge overlooking steep cliffs. Everyone walks across a narrow wooden plank which crosses the cliff to the opposite side of the drop, but Richard is scared of heights and Hunter has to coax him across. Then they go down a spiral road.] Door and Hunter went around the curve in front of them, and were out of sight. "You know," said Richard, "the other two are getting a bit ahead of us. We might want to hurry." "Let them go," she said gently. "We'll catch up." It was, thought Richard, peculiarly like going to a movie with a girl as a teenager. Or rather, like walking home afterwards: stopping at bus shelters, or beside walls, to snatch a kiss, a hasty fumble of skin and a tangle of tongues, then hurrying on to catch up with your friends... Lamia ran a cold finger down his cheek. "You're so warm," she said, admiringly. "It must be wonderful to have so much warmth." Richard tried to look modest. "It's not something I think about much, really," he admitted. He heard, distantly, from above, the metallic slam of the elevator door. Lamia looked up at him, pleadingly, sweetly. "Would you give me some of your heat, Richard?" she asked. "I'm so cold." "Richard wondered if he should kiss her. "What? I..." She looked disappointed. "Don't you like me?" she asked. He hoped, desperately, that he had not hurt her feelings. "Of course I like you," he heard his voice saying. "You're very nice." "And you aren't using all your heat, are you?" she pointed out, reasonably. "I suppose not..." "And you said you'd pay me for being your guide. And it's what I want, as my payment. Warmth. Can I have some?" Anything she wanted. Anything. The honeysuckly and the lily of the valley wrapped around him, and his eyes saw nothing but her pale skin and her dark plum-bloom lips, and her jet black hair. He nodded. Somewhere inside him something was screaming: but whatever it was, it could wait. She reached up her hands to his face and pulled it gently down toward her. The she kissed him, long and languorously. There was a moment of initial shock at the chill of her lips, and the cold of her tongue, and then he succumbed to her kiss entirely. After some time, she pulled back. He could feel the ice on his lips. He stumbled back agains the wall. He tried to blink, but his eyes felt as if they were frozen open. She looked up at him and smiled delightedly, her skin flushed and pink and her lips, scarlet; her breath steamed in the cold air. She licked her red lips with a warm crimson tongue. His world began to go dark. He thought he saw a black shape at the edge of his vision. "More," she said. and she reached out to him. * * * [enter the Marquis de Carabas, Door's friend, who was missing earlier] He watched the Velvet pull Richard to her for the first kiss, watched the rime and frost spread over Richard's skin. He watched her pull back, happily. And then he walked up behind her, and, as she moved in to finish what she had begun, he reached out and seized her, hard, by the neck, and lifted her off the ground. "Give it back," he rasped in her eat. "Give him back his life." The Velvet reacted like a kitten who had just been dropped into a bathtub, wriggling and hissing and spitting and scratching. It did her no good: she was held tight by the throat. "You can't make me," she said, in decidedly unmusical tones. He increased the pressure. "Give him his life back," he told her, hoarsely and honestly, "or I'll break your neck." She winced. He pushed her toward Richard, frozen and crumpled against the rock wall. She took Richard's hand, and breathed into his nose and mouth. Vapor came from her mouth, and trickled into his. The ice on his skin began to thaw, the rime on his hair to vanish. He squeezed her neck again. "All of it, Lamia." She hissed, then, extremely grudgingly, and opened her mouth once more. A final puff of steam drifted from her mouth into his, and vanished inside him. Richard blinked. The ice on his eyes had melted to tears, and they were running down his cheeks. "What did you do to me?" he asked. "She was drinking your life," said the marquis de Carabas, in a hoarse whisper. "Taking your warmth. Turning you into a cold thing like her." Lamia's face twisted, like a tiny child deprived of a favorite toy. Her foxglove eyes flashed. "I need it more than he does," she wailed. "I thought you liked me," said Richard, stupidly. The marquis picked Lamia up, one-handed, and brought her face close to his. "Go near him again, you or any of the Velvet Children, and I'll come by day to your caven, while you sleep, and I'll burn it to the ground. Understand?" Lamia nodded. He let go of her, and she dropped to the floor. Then she pulled herself up to her full size, which was not terribly tall, threw back her head, and spat, hard, into the marquis's face. She picked up the front of her black velvet dress and ran up the slope, and away, her footsteps echoing through the winding rock path of Down Street, while her ice-cold spittle ran down the marquis's cheek. He wiped it away with the back of his hand. "She was going to kill me," stammered Richard. "Not immediately," said the marquis, dismissively. "You would have died eventually, though, when she finished eating your life." * * * [toward the end of the novel] There was a fluttering in the half-dark, and, warily, he turned. There were about a dozen of them, in the corridor behind him, and they slipped toward him almost silently, just a rustle of dark velvet, and, here and there, the clink of silver jewelry. The rustle of the leaves hard been so much louder than these pale women. They watched him with hungry eyes. He was scared, then. He had the knife, true, but he could no more fight with it than he could jump across the Thames. He hoped that, if they attacked, he might be able to scare them away with it. He could smell honeysuckle, and lily of the valley, and musk. Lamia edged her way to the front of the Velvets, and stepped forward. Richard raised the knife, nervously, remembering the chilly passion of her embrace, how pleasant it was and how cold. She smiled at him, and inclined her head, sweetly. Then she kissed her fingertips, and blew the kiss toward Richard. He shivered. Something fluttered in the darkness of the underpass; and when he looked again, there was nothing but shadows. * * * So that's the story of the Velvets. I think when Tori's talking about them in "Hotel" she means their ability as guides, since throughout the song she's seeking someone but can't find him. But perhaps their other qualities play a role as well. Anyway, thought you guys might be interested. :) Beth - -- "You've got to be a motherfucker. That doesn't mean you've got to be rude. It's just means you've got to be a motherfucker. You've got to talk honey and wear the high heels, and never ever lift your skirt. *Never ever* lift your skirt. Do you hear what I'm telling you? Do you hear what I'm saying?" (Tori Amos) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:04:57 EST From: Cindy26471@aol.com Subject: perhaps another meaning to "beulah" hi, i was doing some reading for one of my classes and came across the poem "dusting" by rita dove. it's in the norton anthology of american literature shorter 4th ed on pg 2646. anyway. it has listed as a footnote for Beulah: "Hebrew for "married one" or "possessed". In the Bible it is used to refer to the promised Land." while most of us knew the later part of the definition, I found the first part about marriage to be very interesting as pertaining to the song and its place in tori's life. i wonder if she was aware of this meaning (pertaining to marriage) when she wrote the song. just a thought.. cindy26471@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:32:05 +0100 From: Wednesday Subject: Wanted: Torithings on TV Hi there ewf`s =) I`m looking for a couple of Tori-things I haven`t been able to find here in Norway: her appearance on Roseanne show, and the MTV Revue show that was aired earlier. In exchange, I can either pay for the tapes, postage and your work, or you can have a pick of my Tori bootlegs and recordings at http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Stage/8416/tapes.htm I`d be very very grateful if someone could help me out, cos I love seeing Tori on Tv =) Very best wishes, Lisa, the EWF in Norway VvVvVvVvVvVvVvvvVvVvVvvvVvVvVv Visit Wednesday on the web: |"If a girl wants to be Santa http://wednesdayweb.cjb.net | or she wants to be a humidor, Contact me via IM: teneniel7 | a girl should be able to do what or by ICQ # 12678734 | she wants to do." Marilyn Manson VvVvVvVvVvVvVvvvVvVvVvvvVvVvVvVvVvVv ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:04:49 EST From: Freque79@aol.com Subject: Re: Hear the west wind... In a message dated 11/30/98 4:03:03 PM Central Standard Time, zellarre@pilot.msu.edu writes: > Etienne is a very popular woman's name in France, I believe. I think the > lyrics are pretty cut and dry. But, please, let's get a discussion up > because this is one of my fave's. I don't know how popular, but Etienne is definitely a boys name - it means Steven. Mairie http://members.tripod.com/~raspberryswirl/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:24:32 EST From: Faerie268@aol.com Subject: Tori Research Hello EWF's! How is everyone? Well, I am quite new to this mailing list.. My name is Erin, by the way, and if aanyone would like to talk, please feel free to e-mail me at anytime! anyways, I have been an ear with feet for quite awhile now. well, today in school we got an assignment to do a research paper on anyone/anything in the 20th century. so of course I thought of tori. I was just wondering if anyone out there knew of a really good source where I good get information on tori so I can write my paper? Please e-mail me if you know. Thanks so much! Love, Erin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:28:23 PST From: "Honey Drops" Subject: Re: comp video question mine isn't... i got mine at tower records.. maybe you should go back to where you bought it at and have it exchanged >From: RHPSshock@aol.com >Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 10:27:04 EST >To: cystuhler@Juno.Com, precious-things-digest@smoe.org >Subject: comp video question >Reply-To: RHPSshock@aol.com > > >Okay, is anyone else's video making weird fuzzy sounds towards the end-like >near Pretty Good Year? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:05:11 -0600 From: "i have abused my so called power, forgive me..." Subject: Re: hurt lyrics The >lyrics for Hurt are as follows: > major snippage question: did tori alter the lyrics at all for her performance? the mp3's i've got are different, something about the mother in us, and the crowd doesn't seem to recognize the song until half way through when she says "i hurt myself today"... just a wonder... >Thanks for giving me an opportunity to introduce myself. I love the >discussions here! >~~Michelle HOWDY MICHELLE! welcome to the list :) anthony :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:03:08 EST From: Talula33@aol.com Subject: tori in spins top 20 of the year hey guys, tori is mentioned in this months spin(with shirley manson on the cover) as having one of the top 20 albums of the year. the caption is as follows: 13 tori amos, from the chiorgirl hotel sarah mclachlan checked her self outtal this particular residency ages ago, but here tori pulls the shades, orders up crazy room service, and lays in for the long haul. the result is claustrophobic art-rock where the encroaching walls blossom into wide screen technicolor psychodramas. with a vocal mix that often sounds like you're swinging from her epiglottis, she shucks the feminine in all it's forms(male included), making it both quiver and deliver. her very own 'hounds of love' without the dogs -will hermes soo whoo. :) marie - - http://members.tripod.com/~golddustfaerie/bootlegs.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:24:26 EST From: kmfelicetti@juno.com (Kristen M Felicetti) Subject: CDnow Hi, I was looking at CDnow and their Tori stuff(for the hundredth time). They have two Tori t-shirts there, one that is called BLT Tori Hair. I'm assuming that one is the shirt that shows her back with and her long dangling hair like the Choirgirl CD booklet. The other one listed as Wht Portrait I've never seen. There's no picture of it at CDnow etheir. Could someone please tell where I could find a scan of the t-shirt? Or describe the shirt to me? Thanks. Also at CDnow they've added pictures of the Raspberry Swirl Import CD, the import interview CD, and some others. Plus some CD's like Jackie' Strength and the import of Under the Pink are not there anymore. ~~Kristen ****** "Being in love was not the most important thing to me, being respected was." ~~Tori ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:58:57 -0500 From: "Master Guru" Subject: Re: Question about a Tori store The site you're referring to was called The Tori Amos Marketplace, and in communications with Ian's mother, Patty, he is presently studying abroad, and they sold off everything (or at least a LARGE majority) of what was left before he went off to school. He should be back sometime next summer, and as far as I know, he's not positive whether or not the Marketplace will continue *crosses fingers*. Hope this helps, and i'm posting to the list as i think its pretty general information, and some of you can benefit from it. HIH Phil - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 29, 1998 11:05 PM Subject: Question about a Tori store > >Hi! I was just wondering if anyone could give me the url for an online >torishop that was run by someone named Ian. I lost it and I was remembering >that it looked like a real good place to buy from. If anyone can help please >email at Fiona0p@aol.com Thanks so much >Yours truly, >Fiona > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:47:30 PST From: "Pandora ~" Subject: Lyrics to HURT >>Hello EWF great and small: >> >>Was wondering if anyone had a link to or an idea about where I can get >>the lyrics to "Hurt." I love the version she does on Boulder '96 with >>"Caught a Lite Sneeze" and would like to access the words. >> >>Thanks muchly.: >> Oh I love NIN, and HURT has to be one of my favorite songs. Being that I am behind on my e-mail someone probably already posted the lyrics, but just in case...... HURT, NIN i hurt myself today to see if i still feel i focus on the pain the only thing that's real the needle tears a hole the old familiar sting try to kill it all away but i remember everything what have i become? my sweetest friend everyone i know goes away in the end you could have it all my empire of dirt i will let you down i will make you hurt i wear my crown of shit on my liar's chair full of broken thoughts i cannot repair beneath the stain of time the feeling disappears you are someone else i am still right here what have i become? my sweetest friend everyone i know goes away in the end you could have it all my empire of dirt i will let you down i will make you hurt if i could start again a million miles away i would keep myself i would find a way Wow the Chupa Chups Raspberry (SWIRL) Lollipop I am eating right now is really good...Okay guys that's all, I think. Evil Poptarts,Demonic Mashed Potatoes,and Promiscuous Grilled Cheese, Pandora(The Poster Child for Derelict Children Everywhere) I sit, in my desolate room, no lights, no music, Just anger, I've killed everyone, I'm away forever, but I'm feeling better.....SYSTEM OF A DOWN ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:21:16 -0500 (EST) From: Robert L Reynolds Subject: Re: University Of Deleware, November 24, 1998 Ack! If anyone has this show any format I'd love to get a copy!!!!!!!!! - -Rob ~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Robert Reynolds Hodges Library Dark Prince Serials Department I've given up so much it seems perfect so natural that I should feel fine and when you ask me if I"m doing better I say I'm better off with my own kind -Over It (Part 3) http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/9346/main1.html ~~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 ToriBoi@aol.com wrote: > >I dont' even know where to start... what an unbelievable show!!!!!!!!!!!! My >dream came true tonight as well too. It was my eleventh show this tour, my >sixteenth total... I was a bit sad because it was going to be my last, but I >was feeling extra blessed and lucky because eleven shows is a big deal, no?? >So anyway, I was under the impression that there was to be no more meet and >greets this tour, so we took our time driving up from Richmond, got to the >venue about 5:30, and luckily, found Steve Sanchez right away, I had wrote >Tori a special letter with a request and just a summary of the tour and tons >of thanks... Well I told steve it was extra important, and he promised me it >would get to her... it did :) > >In the letter, I had asked Tori to play "Cool On Your Island", my absolute >favorite song. I'd been asking for it all tour, but it never came up, it did >tonight!! I can't believe she played it for me! I thought I would literally >have a coronary right there. It was incredible... so... the rest of the show >was as follows: > >Precious Things >Girl -this is awesome with the band!! Then she introduces us to her new fav >toy, a > stuffed animal hamster, she said she'd named it Richard Gere, and then she > pretended to sing "Little Hamsterdam!" >Past The Mission- never get sick of this one, rock on! >Liquid Diamonds >Father Lucifer - this rocks so much! I love the beat during the verse... >it's sped up so much, it's almost like a remix! love it >Siren - we heard she was playing this one for her father, whom was in the >audience tonight, does anyone else think this one is a bit slow live? >Mary - with the band!!! WOW, Lisa Street would be so jealous, but Mary is a >fav of mine too so i'm glad i got to hear it! >China >Cool On Your Island / Mother -unbelievable... sigh >Little Earthquakes - love this one with the band as well! I especially love >the tag harmony she's added to the very last measure... >Cruel >Graveyard / Tear In Your Hand - this was tricky because she was playing >Graveyard on the piano, but singing Tear as the intro.. >Waitress - this girl needs a vacation, and a good long margaritta > >Talula >Raspberry Swirl > >Pandora's Aquarium >Winter (solo) > > >WOW< i'm still in shock... i'm sad for it all to be over, but to know she >played the song for me, is enough to last me forever... thank you Tori... > >Joey >ToriBoi@aol.com >"come on baby, i'm much stronger than you know, sometimes i'm not afraid to >let it show :) " > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 20:13:54 -0600 From: Simon Booth Subject: Re: Comments on the new video compilation At 10:29 PM 11/28/98 -0500, Nadyne Mielke wrote: > >At 12:19 AM 11/28/98 -0600, Simon Booth wrote: > >>So a snapcase release of an off-the-shelf release isn't so unusal. I just >>haven't seen it that often for American video releases except for a few >>examples of movies. I guess in this case Atlantic released it in the >>plastic snapcase everywhere with the appropriate format tape for the >>specific countries it has been released in. > >Thus far, that video has only been released in the US. It will be released >in Canada, next week I believe. At this instant, there is no release date >for release of the video in Europe/Australia. I haven't heard anything >about Japan, but I never look at that anyway; does anyone know? Yet again I am suprised at the way a Tori release is handled. She's not just popular in the US :) Why are there such vast differences in the way her material is released in different countries? ie, the singles :) > >[snip] > >>Could the video have been put together outside of the US? Usually tapes >>made outside the US have the NTSC designation on them, while I haven't seen >>US-made tapes with that designation. > >It doesn't seem terribly likely, given that there are no plans on the board >now for release of the video outside the US and Canada. *shrug* But >Atlantic doesn't call me up and personally tell me what they're releasing >or where it was printed, so I don't know for sure. ;) Well, I was just going by what I've seen on other non-US made tapes. I haven't seen a US-made tape with the NTSC notice on it :) I figured it would be redundant to let people in the US and Canada know that the tape they were picking up was ok to play in their countries :) > >[snip] > >>Was PW an actual video or is it counted as promo material? A montage of >>her videos synched to another song of hers sounds like a good 'commercial' :) > >If my memory serves {and perhaps someone in here can help me out, since I >admit my memory sucks}, it wasn't put together by Tori or Atlantic at all. >That was another reason it wasn't included, again IIRC. > >[snip] That makes even more sense :) > >>I admit to not paying much attention to MTV. Unfortunately that means >>I've missed most Tori vidoes until I got the compilation tape. Am I weird >>to have sworn off MTV about 6 years ago? :) I mean, they hardly even play >>anything by groups I like anyway. I keep finding myself out of the loop on >>alot of things unless I get advance info of the net. I just can't being >>myself to watch MTV all the time :) > >*laugh* Don't worry about it. I swore off MTV, but I watched the premier >of that only because I'd heard about it on the 'net and my roommate >insisted on having cable. My husband and I own a television, but we don't >have cable and it's not even plugged in currently. :) The only reason I got cable was because of the shows I do watch being on cable (Learning Channel and B5 on TNT for example) beyond a few network shows and those few programs on cable I don't watch much TV. > >[snip] > >>>[1] Yes, some of us are obsessed enough to have purchased that and had it >>>converted, since there was no word then on a US release. My only excuse >>>is: it was a gift! :) >>But it's a Tori release, there's no shame in that :) > >Heh. You convince some of my friends of that. ;) I get razzed all the time myself! :) > >/nad > Simon you can find me on icq: :) phoenyxx 23284355 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 20:48:07 -0600 From: machina Subject: the akron show the akron show was a good tori show (of course) and i really was glad i got to see her for the last time this tour - i guess i was just disappointed because my person experience at the show was less desireable... the girls i was stuck next to, the heat was amazing, and it was a strain to make out what tori said between songs. i still think my favourite this tour was the ames or louisville show. getting there wasn't bad - i was driving back with my cousin from st. louis to cleveland and then a friend who went there for thanksgiving was picking me up and we were going to akron around 3 and stuff. well, flat tires aren't cool. we ended up at the arena around 4:45 - 5:00 ish and so we went to eat and passed the time. we met some other tori fans and basically hung out with two guys, dan and chad who had never even heard of the dent - i didn't know there were non-internet tori fans around (: it was pretty cool. ok, to the show: precious things hotel - i really really really liked this... by this time i had gotten so hot and i was so lucky because it had been somewhat warm that day i only wore a see thru sweater with a tank top underneath... the tank top came in handy. thoughts/past the mission - it was the first time i had heard thoughts live and the girls next to me where talking so i didn't recognize it until the girl next to me told me what it was. too bad weapons aren't allowed in places like these. grr.. muhammad my friend - i liked this with the band, especially girl - i'd never heard this with the band before and rumor had it that she sung beauty queen as an into to this the night before (?) which i would have killed for. it was fabulous. bells for her take to the sky - everyone was clapping along and some people were dancing... landslide - this song is SO pretty... i think this is the best song she covers purple people - really seemed deep into the song, like she was thinking about something else and would find herself and then remember what she was doing and then get even more into it. cruel - i love the arms and when she just bellows into the mic with this one tear in your hand - so, this was one of the songs that the annoying girls next to me sung aloud. "i wish she'd play silent all these years" and just stupid crap. the waitress - people have complained about this all tour and i love this song as a closer - when she screams "i believe she's the devil bitch" i just love it! (: she's your cocaine - eh, good perfomance raspberry swirl - i think tori would have rather danced instead of played (: talula - this song with the band is so awesome, i wish she had played it more, it seemed like it was over too quick black swan - i haven't heard this one this tour and i really loved how affectionate her voice got mary - is this the first time with the band? i thought she did this solo (i could be wrong) pretty good SMEAR - hehe (: anyhow, i fell in love with ohio - its pretty cool out there.... it was a good tori show overall (: and uhm... i just hope she does this again. i can't believe how depressing it is knowing i won't be seeing her again for possibly ever. and sorry, a live album won't cut it (: oh well. i was like 1/2 back and towards the left - if anyone there saw me, let me know, i talked to a hundred people - i was wearing dark blue jeans and a black see thru sweater with a black tank on underneath and i have past my shoulders reddish brown curly hair and my friend was shorter than me, extremely thin with a long sleve pink shirt and adidas pants on with blond long hair... (: let me know - i know one person was like "i saw your bootleg list once" and stuff (: it was pretty cool (i don't remember who said that tho - my friend thinks it was a mary? marie? i dont know) but still torihigh, ally i am not b r o k e n http://altern.org/icicle ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #414 *************************************