From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #413 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, November 30 1998 Volume 03 : Number 413 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: call me crazy but... [lissa ] Sorry to bother everyone again :( [Simon Booth ] Re: through the fly hole [Erin Martin ] delaware show [Fiveginst1@aol.com] Re: Comments on the new video compilation [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: meet & greets(WARM?) ["glytter grrl" ] Re: decipher this message [RSwirl658@aol.com] Re: an answer to the velvet Q please!!! [Daniel M Perez ] Re: storitellers date? [desmond in a tutu ] Re: newark shows questions.... [desmond in a tutu ] through the fly hole yet again [Bobdel123@aol.com] newark N.J. show [Nothing769@aol.com] njpac show [desmond in a tutu ] Re: decipher this message ["Lavenda 1" ] "Raspberry Swirl" on The Box ["*january grrl*" ] maybe im crazy(i topped you both) [Talulagrl1@aol.com] "Imports" up for Auction ["Chloe" ] a cool site [jls7@monadnock.keene.edu (Jenn)] Re: maybe im crazy(i topped you both) [Anavrin560@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:03:42 -0700 From: lissa Subject: Re: call me crazy but... Loria wrote: << I'm out shopping with my boyfriend this evening, and what do I see? Next to the Ben and Jerry's Cherry Garcia (mmmmm...) is a neato little Haagen Daaz frozen yogurt. It's flavour? Vanilla and Raspberry Swirl. Maybe I'm just REALLY into the fact that I'm seeing Tori next week twice! Or maybe I'm just crazy in general. I guess we'll never know ( much like how many licks does it take....) >> That sounds a lot like me and my Dairy Queen fetish. I always get Raspberry Mr. Misty floats and swirl the Mr. Misty and ice cream around and call it Raspberry Swirl. They taste really yummy but it's blue raspberry so it's not quite perfect. Oh well. You're not alone. I must find this Haagen Daaz! Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 03:19:28 -0600 From: Simon Booth Subject: Sorry to bother everyone again :( but the setlist messages regarding the 4/12/96 ft. lauderdale show dissapeared from my inbox before I could get to them :( (still not sure what happened, all the messages just got scrambled and trashed) I've got the video boot but I never got around to getting the setlist sooner. I really am sorry about this :( Simon you can find me on icq: :) phoenyxx 23284355 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:01:51 -0500 From: Erin Martin Subject: Re: through the fly hole I think "Carrie" could've inspired BfP...there's lots of fire imagery in artwork and videos. 8-) I can (seriously now!) think of a bunch of "feminist" (in quotes b/c 'feminism' isn't the exact theme, really...) books but none that would've really *inspired* BfP. I can see a lot of myths at work there. In that 96 spin article she says that the 14 (is it 14?) "main songs" on the album represent the body parts of the faerie queen Mab (who looks like Tori) collected by Isis. And, of course, there's the Pele imagery there throughout the album. On the Etienne discussion...yeah, my mom teaches french and said that it means steven. Which I couldn't believe b/c if I had a daughter I wanted to name her that. :) I had never heard the etienne legend though...see, that's what's great about this list! All the legends like that and Tam Lin and stuff that I may not easily find out anyway. Silence faith and luck, Erin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:49:48 EST From: Fiveginst1@aol.com Subject: delaware show hey, sorry to clog people's mailboxes with this but i was at the newark, delaware show (my 2nd tori concert) and i was wondering if anyone had a boot of the show. i don't have any trades (as i have only been to two shows, etc.) but am willing to overcompensate for costs. please, please, please e-mail me back. question #2, i know this was a while back but being my first show it's kind of important... does anyone have a boot of the tori show at the electric factory on april 26th 1998, the sneak preview??? please e-mail me privately as to not clog the mailing list... thank you so much for all your help!!! love jayson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 22:29:29 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Comments on the new video compilation At 12:19 AM 11/28/98 -0600, Simon Booth wrote: >So a snapcase release of an off-the-shelf release isn't so unusal. I just >haven't seen it that often for American video releases except for a few >examples of movies. I guess in this case Atlantic released it in the >plastic snapcase everywhere with the appropriate format tape for the >specific countries it has been released in. Thus far, that video has only been released in the US. It will be released in Canada, next week I believe. At this instant, there is no release date for release of the video in Europe/Australia. I haven't heard anything about Japan, but I never look at that anyway; does anyone know? [snip] >Could the video have been put together outside of the US? Usually tapes >made outside the US have the NTSC designation on them, while I haven't seen >US-made tapes with that designation. It doesn't seem terribly likely, given that there are no plans on the board now for release of the video outside the US and Canada. *shrug* But Atlantic doesn't call me up and personally tell me what they're releasing or where it was printed, so I don't know for sure. ;) [snip] >Was PW an actual video or is it counted as promo material? A montage of >her videos synched to another song of hers sounds like a good 'commercial' :) If my memory serves {and perhaps someone in here can help me out, since I admit my memory sucks}, it wasn't put together by Tori or Atlantic at all. That was another reason it wasn't included, again IIRC. [snip] >I admit to not paying much attention to MTV. Unfortunately that means >I've missed most Tori vidoes until I got the compilation tape. Am I weird >to have sworn off MTV about 6 years ago? :) I mean, they hardly even play >anything by groups I like anyway. I keep finding myself out of the loop on >alot of things unless I get advance info of the net. I just can't being >myself to watch MTV all the time :) *laugh* Don't worry about it. I swore off MTV, but I watched the premier of that only because I'd heard about it on the 'net and my roommate insisted on having cable. My husband and I own a television, but we don't have cable and it's not even plugged in currently. :) [snip] >>[1] Yes, some of us are obsessed enough to have purchased that and had it >>converted, since there was no word then on a US release. My only excuse >>is: it was a gift! :) >But it's a Tori release, there's no shame in that :) Heh. You convince some of my friends of that. ;) /nad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 09:52:26 PST From: "jupiter spazzz" Subject: precious things paper? i hope it was on this list....sheesh, i knew someday theyd all get me confused! anywho, i was wondering if the person who wrote the paper on the analysis of precious things could send me it, if possible. i was thinking about the song the other day, and im really curious to know what you had to say. otay. tanks! e.liz.a.beth. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:36:43 EST From: "glytter grrl" Subject: Re: meet & greets(WARM?) >>, Steve told us not to expect any more >meet & greets> >> But, I just saw on the TV forecast that the area around her final shows is supposed to be unseasonably warm.>> but let's just remember folks that tori's last shows are in MICHIGAN! you can have 80 degree weather on monday and six feet of snow wednesday afternoon. just because it's "unseasonably warm" doesn't mean much... "uhm, yeah...last week it snowed then it was 80...here's the deal..here me out before you think i'm crazy...i want it to get, like, minus a bizzilion..no..listen..cause i was not in a war or a depression, so when i get old, i'll have nothing to bitch about..NOTHING! ahhh yes...the winter of 97....i ruined many a tape case that winter scraping my windshield"~~~john heffron ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:07:48 EST From: RSwirl658@aol.com Subject: Re: decipher this message In a message dated 11/29/98 3:50:51 AM !!!First Boot!!!, faerie@mbay.net writes: << sakura sakura yayoi no sora wa miwatasu kagiri >> This is an old Japanese song... it's one of my favourites. :) Let me try to translate... "Cherry blossom, cherry blossom of the spring's sky looking out as far as possible..." Of course that's not the most accurate translation, it's acutally like "Cherry blossom, cherry blossom, the sky of the third month, looking after as distant as could be seen", but mine makes more sense. :) Glad to help! Love Always, Melissa L. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 03:10:55 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel M Perez Subject: Re: an answer to the velvet Q please!!! On Sun, 29 Nov 1998, precious-things-digest wrote: > > ive read all the sandman comics > good omens > mr punch > neverwhere > smoke and mirrors > day i swapped my dad... > angels and visitations > and have yet to come across any VELVETS > please someone just tell me the book name. or if i missed it. It appears that you missed it. I hate giving out stuff, but what the hell. Maybe it'll make more people read the damn great novel. The Velvets appear in Neverwhere, towards the end. Email me privately if you need more precise directions as to where in the novel. - -- Daniel M. Perez [highmoon@geocities.com] [http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/6109] [http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/highmoon] - ---------- "Freedom's so hard when we are all bound by the laws etched in the scheme of nature's own hand, unseen by all those who fail in their pursuit of fate." - --Dead Can Dance, "Xavier" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:52:00 EST From: XMN93@aol.com Subject: Akron Tori show the set list for the Akron show on Nov. 28 was: Precious Things Hotel Thoughts (solo, yeah, that's right) Past the Mission Girl Mohammed my Friend Take to the Sky (solo) Landslide (solo) Purple People Bells For Her Cruel Tear in your hand Waitress Encore 1: She's Your Cocaine Raspberry Swirl Encore 2: Talula Mary Black Swan (solo) Pretty Good Year The order isn't necessarily correct, but it's fairly close. Mohammed really gains alot from the percussion, and Bells for Her has a tribal beat that surprisingly works very well for the song. During Thoughts, which I'd never heard before, and Black Swan, the band remained on stage and just sort of waited for Tori to do the song. The concert was absolutely wonderful, but because it was general admission there was a stampede when the doors opened, and there were cops screaming at us. I ended up getting a 2nd to 3rd row spot despite the mad rush. The only thing that made me mad was that there were these girls who were really nice and were working diligently giving out everyone numbers, but the police took all the people at the end of the line and put them on the other door so the people who got there at 8:00 in the morning got in at the same time as the people who got there at 6:15 at night, which blew. But, like i said, it was D. Bomb. I am 32 flavors and then some, luke hehe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 01:33:56 -0600 From: Simon Booth Subject: Re: Rasberry Swirl and Hey Jupiter Vids At 01:16 PM 11/28/98 -0600, Cynthia Glass wrote: > >I think my new favorite video in a close tie with "Spark" is the "Hey >Jupiter" video, which could not more appropriately fit with the message >of the song. I think the metaphors are beautifully simple and >appropriate, (as I said), and if you're not touched by it in some way >while watching it, well then you watch too much TV. No such thing as too much tv :) > >Having gone through a similar breakup situation when Boys For Pele was >released, this song was already on speed-dial to my spirit, and >everytime I see this video now I bust out in tears instantly. I >unfortunately never saw the video before, but now it puts a whole new >dimension on it. > >I think the symbology is fairly obvious. She sits in the chair and >watches the room (her world) burn down around her because she is so in >despair from her loss, her loss being that joyful, hopeful and playful >spirit in all of us that I think the child represents. The child >represents the tiny little part of herself that can save her, and make >her help herself, and it literally leads a woman to safety that is too >blinded with grief to help herself anymore. That child did a great >fucking job conveying that to me, she looked concerned and determined to >keep her innocence all at the same time....it was beautiful. And >especially when they panned back to Tori sitting in the chair, as if >part of her is still up there burning down with that world, even though >she's now safe in the car. I was thinking sort of the same thing :) > >Another thing I noticed is that it appeared to be a *hotel* that was >burning down, it was hard to be sure from the outside, but judging from >the hallways they were running through it sure looked like it from the >inside. > >I thought there might be a connection, that perhaps there was a breakup >that went down in that "hotel" experience that she said the song was >about...I'd never name names because I know there would be those who >would strongly disagree with me, but just saying there could be a >connection. I didn't think about when I first saw the video, but this really makes sense :) > >I don't want to get into a whole "Hotel" discussion now, but I just >wanted to say that I enjoyed the latest theory on it that it could be >about brief acquaintances and how they can profoundly affect our lives >even in their brevity. >However, as I said before, it could be about this and *other* things as >well. I doubt any of her songs are ever about just *one* thing. > >Thanks to those of you who had the patience to read all of this! ;) the multiple interpretations are all part of the fun :) How long have you been listening to Tori? I've only been listening since the beginning of this year, but I am hopelessly hooked :) > >Cynthia Simon ps- I notice that you're an MST3K fan :) you can find me on icq: :) phoenyxx 23284355 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:02:30 -0500 From: desmond in a tutu Subject: Re: storitellers date? also sprach Beth Coulter: >At 10:34 PM 11/26/98 -0500, Erin Martin wrote: >>Just wondering if we know when Storytellers will be aired. Or that >>Sessions at West 54th thing...either one. :) Thanks! >The current rumor is the first Sunday in January, though starting in Dec. >they will be running ads featuring Raspberry Swirl. from the the for-what-it's-worth department, r.e.m.'s storytellers appearance, which was taped the day before tori's, is slated to air on december 6th. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 13:45:25 -0500 From: desmond in a tutu Subject: Re: newark shows questions.... also sprach Heidi Spitzig: >What exacly did Tori say right before she sang merman....about matthew >shephard...i know what she said but if anyone knows the EXACT words, >please email me.... this is what i hear (um's and uh's deleted for your reading pleasure): ever since the boy matthew died in wyoming, we've been doing this on the tour. this song didn't make the record as none of my favorite songs make the records. but this little one just wanted to kinda come out and sing [for you] [something unintelligible in a babytalk voice]. by the way, it sounded like she said "goat". i actually paid attention since this has been a point of discussion on the list! however, i think violet's interpretation makes the most sense. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:34:20 EST From: Bobdel123@aol.com Subject: through the fly hole yet again okay. in my last messages i was talking about my theory on the lord of the flies. this is it. the boys were stranded right tori was stranded too. the boys on an island and tori in depression. the boys devolved into savages and so too maybe did tori? with the lose of her baby she lost herself and the godliness that makes her woman. the baby was sacrificed as was one of the boys to a god of imagination. well tori doesn't nessicarily believe in god as a real thing so this is maybe a connection. at anyrate the boys lost themselves and became the most primitive they could be. tori in her music became the most primitive she could be. going back to her roots in rock and roll with a full time band. does this make any sense to anyone. so thats my idea is that tori devolved to compensate for her lose as the boys did to compensate for their lose. so if this makes any sense; i feel for you. but if it doesn't sorry its so confusing. also on the book that inspired bfp one person suggested carrie and i think thats a great idea and someone should i think ask tori about it. so thats my opinion i could be wrong. all love in tori bob the raspberry swirl boy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:17:35 EST From: Nothing769@aol.com Subject: newark N.J. show Hi. umm.... i was wondering if anyone had a copy of the 'newark n.j.' show. I have *some* stuff to trade, but not a lot. please get back to me if you are willing to help. yes.... - -Anastasia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:46:54 -0500 From: desmond in a tutu Subject: njpac show toriadores, it's been marvelous watching the tour enfold. for the most part, it's been a vicarious experience for me as i was only able to make it to three regular shows and the sessions on west 54th taping (which i still owe a review for, i know, i know), but reading the reviews and setlists posted here and on the dent has made me feel like i was there. thanks to all of you! at the beginning of the plugged tour, i remember richard handal saying, and i paraphase, "it'll be very interesting to see what the shows at the end of the tour will be like." a very astute statement indeed. for me, the last show was this past wednesday at the njpac in newark, nj. the setlist has already been posted, so i'll just touch on the highlights for me. the biggest surprise was the sheer difference between this show and the first two i saw (springfield, ma and wallingford, ct back in august). with the exception of the core songs ("precious things" and "the waitress"), the setlist was completely different as were the feel of the shows. it's a shame that the tour is winding down since the band is totally comfortable and together. it's really amazing watching them play since they play so naturally together. i wish that those who were only able to see shows early on were able to catch some of these later gigs as well since the first half of the tour seems to have been as much of a warm-up as the pre-tour club gigs. the setlist was also rather amusing since of the 19 songs she played, only *three* were from _choirgirl_! that's not that uncommon amongst most of the gigs i see, but you have to admit that it's rather odd for an arena tour promoting a new record. i expected to hear "girl" since she'd been playing it regularly since debutting it, but i wasn't ready for how lovely it would be. like the live version of "crucify" (a song which i had tired of until this tour), it really works with the band. "hotel" was interesting. i think it needs to be played a lot louder than it was. when the keyboards kick in, i want to be blasted back against my seat by the sheer force of the sound but, alas, that didn't happen. "merman". i don't even know what to say about the performance of this song. jaw-droppingly gorgeous. it's sad that matthew shepard's death has brought this song to new heights and it's a crime that it's not on any record or single. i've been aching to hear "little earthquakes" on this tour and i finally did. oy! slow, stately and devastating. "tear" is also a gorgeous song which sounds swell with the band. it's interesting how straight the band plays these early songs ("girl", "crucify", "tear", etc.) but how fresh they sound at the same time. "mary" is the other song i've been hoping to hear. maybe my favorite b-side. and with the band! swoon! like i said, it was a great way to end the tour for me. - ----- i did tape this show. my deck was acting up at the beginning of the show, so the first six songs (though "sugar") are muffled and there is some wobble at the beginning of "precious things" and "girl" (*sob*). however, the muffling doesn't make the tape unlistenable. the balance of the recording is good -- better than most audience recordings, but not excellent. if you are interested in a copy, please contact me and we'll work something out. i'm not looking for any shows in particular, but i'm very interested in trading for copies of masters. barring that, i'll be happy to trade for other shows and/or blanks & postage. like i said, drop me a line and we'll work something out -- anyone who wants a copy will be able to get one one way or another. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:33:33 PST From: "Lavenda 1" Subject: Re: decipher this message Well i went looking on the net and found someone who translated it for me. This is what they posted me: >>sakura sakura > > "Cherry blossoms, cherry blossoms," > >>yayoi no sora wa >>miwatasu kagiri > > "are in full bloom in the sky of May as far as the eye could reach." > > Yayoi means May, in the old (lunar) calendar. It's April by the new calendar. > Was it help for you? > > Plus, > > Sakura = cherry blossom > Yayoi = May (April as I wrote) > sora = sky > *G* Hope it's right! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 10:59:31 -0800 From: "*january grrl*" Subject: "Raspberry Swirl" on The Box Okay so I was watching a movie today ("Photographing Faries - its GREAT) and when I turned it off, my TV was tuned to The Box (the kinda rare music video channel) and poof! There was Raspberry Swirl.. I must say.... Tori is *SO* good looking in this video.. yumm. :-) anyways, i was glad I got to see it on the TV, the little computer version of it on the Jackies Strength video doesnt cut it for me.. So, request the video bunches of times in your area!!! :-) seeya - -courtney http://www.eccentrica.org/toriphile/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:08:48 EST From: Talulagrl1@aol.com Subject: maybe im crazy(i topped you both) crazy raspberry swirl fetishes... heres mine i have this jar of raspberry flavored lip gloss and i made a label for it on my printer so now i have raspberry swirl lip gloss with the lyrics to raspberry swirl on the side of the jar. he-he:) Loria wrote: << I'm out shopping with my boyfriend this evening, and what do I see? Next to the Ben and Jerry's Cherry Garcia (mmmmm...) is a neato little Haagen Daaz frozen yogurt. It's flavour? Vanilla and Raspberry Swirl. Maybe I'm just REALLY into the fact that I'm seeing Tori next week twice! Or maybe I'm just crazy in general. I guess we'll never know ( much like how many licks does it take....) >> That sounds a lot like me and my Dairy Queen fetish. I always get Raspberry Mr. Misty floats and swirl the Mr. Misty and ice cream around and call it Raspberry Swirl. They taste really yummy but it's blue raspberry so it's not quite perfect. Oh well. You're not alone. I must find this Haagen Daaz! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:50:28 -0800 From: "Chloe" Subject: "Imports" up for Auction Hi! It kills me to part with these, but the Christmas season is upon me! = These are all in excellant conditon and are not CDRs! Goddess http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D45654369 Blood Roses http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D45653878 Y Kant Tori Read and other rarities http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D45653152 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 20:05:55 -0500 From: jls7@monadnock.keene.edu (Jenn) Subject: a cool site everyone check out this site ;) http://www2.crosswinds.net/melbourne/~iieee/ - -Jenn ;)~ "A cornflake girl is wonderbread whereas a raisin girl is whole wheat bread." - -Tori Amos "You can only be you. A lot of times it's never enough for people." - -Tori Amos "If you have the curiosity, the dream, and the need you will find the way."-Martha Graham ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 20:24:45 EST From: Anavrin560@aol.com Subject: Re: maybe im crazy(i topped you both) :-) All this reminds me of when I saw Tori on May 5th. I went to this coffee shop to meet my ride and I was hungry. They had a raspberry swirl muffin. :-) It was the only one left, I was so happy and it was very very yummy. And like for the whole day that tickled me :-) In a message dated 11/29/98 5:11:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, Talulagrl1@aol.com writes: << crazy raspberry swirl fetishes... heres mine i have this jar of raspberry flavored lip gloss and i made a label for it on my printer so now i have raspberry swirl lip gloss with the lyrics to raspberry swirl on the side of the jar. he-he:) Loria wrote: << I'm out shopping with my boyfriend this evening, and what do I see? Next to the Ben and Jerry's Cherry Garcia (mmmmm...) is a neato little Haagen Daaz frozen yogurt. It's flavour? Vanilla and Raspberry Swirl. Maybe I'm just REALLY into the fact that I'm seeing Tori next week twice! Or maybe I'm just crazy in general. I guess we'll never know ( much like how many licks does it take....) >> That sounds a lot like me and my Dairy Queen fetish. I always get Raspberry Mr. Misty floats and swirl the Mr. Misty and ice cream around and call it Raspberry Swirl. They taste really yummy but it's blue raspberry so it's not quite perfect. Oh well. You're not alone. I must find this Haagen Daaz! >> ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #413 *************************************