From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #409 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Thursday, November 26 1998 Volume 03 : Number 409 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Question: New RS/Cruel Single [GonaTwinkl@aol.com] Re: Tori and T.S. Eliot [Skylar2@aol.com] a favor [Ulini852@aol.com] Re: quotes [Ken Tough ] Re: Velvets? (Hotel analysis) ["Thomas Mazorlig" ] Semi-Tori related - important for anyone going to a M&G [RSwirl658@aol.co] Hear the west wind... [GonaTwinkl@aol.com] Re: [toriandmore] Re: Books and such [godgirl318@juno.com (watercolour st] durham [the ] Re: [toriandmore] can someone help me out? [AthenaJane@aol.com] Newark meet n greet (lloking for someone) [SmerfCrazy@aol.com] The site with the "samurai" font... [shirleeh@juno.com (miss taci)] Black Dove UK ["Underwater Thing" ] I found More Pink...thanks /nad! [Cynthia Lawson ] Raspberry Swirl/ Cruel single ["K. Fischer" ] ACK-Tyme sensative-need East lansing tickets? [godgirl318@juno.com (water] RE: durham show... ["The Shermans" ] Re: precious-things-digest V3 #408 ["*january grrl*" ] bethlehem show review [PoetGrrlAC@aol.com] Re: Question: New RS/Cruel Single [Nadyne Mielke ] people attending last shows [honey ] Re: Velvets? (Hotel analysis) [The Mermaid ] Re: I found More Pink... [Nadyne Mielke ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:04:56 EST From: GonaTwinkl@aol.com Subject: Re: Question: New RS/Cruel Single Hi, Double A-side means that there are no B-sides on the single. An A-side is a song that is released on the album, and since this had two titles, Cruel/Raspberry Swirl, it is a double A-side becuase both songs released are found on the album, even tho the songs on the single are remixes. Hope that clears it up =) Happy Thanksgiving *lover brother bogenvilla* ~* josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:56:04 EST From: Skylar2@aol.com Subject: Re: Tori and T.S. Eliot i remember studying this poem in high school, when performing in "Cats" and thinking about tori too....just the implicit understanding that the inanimate objects around the writer have voices, just as every piece of energy does... if that makes sense. << "I have measured out my life with coffee spoons; I know the voices dying with a dying fall Beneath the music from a farther room. So should I presume?" >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:18:06 EST From: Ulini852@aol.com Subject: a favor hey everyone i have a favor to ask of some kind soul out there. can somebody going to one of the last shows buy me a swirl girl necklace? i can pay for it and shipping and stuff. i lost mine and i really want another one. email if you think you can. thanks. ula ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:18:50 +0000 From: Ken Tough Subject: Re: quotes Shaigirl 19/f wrote: >"You've got to be a motherfucker. That doesn't mean you've got to be >rude. It just means you've got to be a motherfucker. It's a quote she said to a female fan (err ewf) who asked at the post-show m&g how to get along in the music business. It was about three months ago IIRC, so go trawl the Unplugged archives at The Dent. - -- Ken Tough Cornwall, U.K. Edge of the planet, then get out and walk. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:17:35 PST From: "Thomas Mazorlig" Subject: Re: Velvets? (Hotel analysis) Erin writes: >The velvets are characters in Neil's Sandman. (That's the FTCH neil reference.) He named them, of course, for the velvet underground, his favorite band. OK, I don't want to knitpick, but I've read all of the Sandman comics at least a dozen times and don't recal characters called the velvets. Can you tell me where the show up? I still believe the velvet in "Hotel" are a Neil reference due to his love of VU. Erin, the rest of your interpretation seems sound. I don't mean this to be bitchy or a flame; I'm just looking for a little clarity. warm winds and blue skies, Tom ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:06:32 EST From: RSwirl658@aol.com Subject: Semi-Tori related - important for anyone going to a M&G Hi all, A while ago I posted a letter about a friend of mine named Josh who was raped and got AIDS from it. I wanted someone to give it to Tori if they could. If anyone is planning (or has given a letter to her), please e-mail me. And if anyone wants to know how he is going... please e-mail me. Thank you. Love, Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:22:25 EST From: GonaTwinkl@aol.com Subject: Hear the west wind... Hi everybody, Allright, the topic I want to introduce is SOOOO incredibly random but I am very intrigued by it and need some help. I was listening to Etienne, cause it's just beautiful, and I started thinkin to myself, now what on earth does Etienne mean? so I did some research at computers at school, found jack, and talked to the French teacher instead. He tells me that the French translation is Steven, apparently there are alot of St. Stevens in france. SO I then find myself wondering who steven is....or if there ever was a steven, cause could Etienne not also be a celtic word, given that she mentions Scotland in the song too? hrmmm...my never-ending thought processes.....anyways, any help is greatly appreciated. Hope you all have a wondeful thanksgiving =) *lover brother bogenvilla* ~* josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:01:06 -0600 From: godgirl318@juno.com (watercolour stain) Subject: Re: [toriandmore] Re: Books and such I just wanted to thank everyone who got back to me on books Tori likes. I got a lot of feedback, including some people who ever cited the quote where Tori mentioned zee book (thanks Kristen and Pandora!). I now have a great list of books that should keep me busy til at least August. Thank you so much! Toriphiles i swear are the nicest people.......unless theyre on the boot leg list. is it just me, or are a lot of those people very unhappy? Through the Pretty Good Years, The Soon-to-be Well Read DeJernet "he says he reckons I'm a watercolour stain he says I run and then I run from him and then I run he didn't see me watching from the aeroplane he wiped a tear and then he threw away our appleseed" - -Tori AOL IM-Spacedog19 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:36:20 From: the Subject: durham i don't have any shows...but am looking for a durham, nh tape...can someone help? we can try to work something out... ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 18:51:48 EST From: AthenaJane@aol.com Subject: Re: [toriandmore] can someone help me out? Last night,(at njpac) i was completely and utterly moved by Tori when she sang "merman" in Matthew Shepard's memory. If ANYONE knows how i can get a copy of that song (or the concert for that matter) i would be eternally greatfull. a long review of the concert will be soon... love elana ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:29:45 EST From: SmerfCrazy@aol.com Subject: Newark meet n greet (lloking for someone) i dont know where else to post. please excuse this if it does not apply to you - which woul dbe the majority of you. newark, NJ - NJ Perfomring Arts Center: im looking for someone who was in the front right hand corner of the meet n greet named john. im the kid that was right behind him (also named john) yeah, i know its a long shot. but i figured it was worth a try. sorry for the shit post, couldnt think of any other way of going about this. happy thanksgiving and stuff .j ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:10:26 -0800 From: shirleeh@juno.com (miss taci) Subject: The site with the "samurai" font... Hello all... I am looking for the URL to the Tori site with the samurai font available for download. Thank you. ~~taci~ http://members.xoom.com/Candlewoman . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . i lost my head, it wasn't in it's basket.... l.g. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 17:21:00 BST From: "Underwater Thing" Subject: Black Dove UK Hi. There were a couple of messages relating to whether there is ever gonna be another UK single after the release of Spark last April... Supposing that the only reason why EastWest declined to release singles is because Tori wasn't here in the UK to do Top of the Pops and other promotional stuff, then they might release something in January after Tori comes back to the UK. Normally there are two or three month increments between single releases by an artist here in England, which renders the seven-eight month gap since Spark unfathomable. I would give my first-born child if they released Black Dove (January) as the next single. Though 'Northern Lad' would indeed be very welcome as well! Doron. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:37:18 -0500 From: Cynthia Lawson Subject: I found More Pink...thanks /nad! Hello there, I found that URL for Gaslight Records... http://www.gaslight.com.au/ they do have More Pink, at the same URL, with the /exclusive.html extension added to the above address. The price is $75.00, but I doubt this is in U.S. dollars...does anyone know what the conversion rate is? SEcond thing, what is the track listing for More Pink? (/nad?) Thank you, and happy tori shopping, C. > > > More Pink was released by EastWest in Australia. It was a special tour > edition, and nothing like it has been released elsewhere. It's getting > harder to find now, but I believe you can still order it from Gaslight > Records in Australia. I don't have their URL handy, but a websearch should > turn it up {or someone with a better memory and/or bookmark file can step > in here}. After the currency conversion and shipping, I believe it comes > out to around US$50. > > /nad > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:16:59 -0800 (PST) From: "K. Fischer" Subject: Raspberry Swirl/ Cruel single I noticed while I was looking at the cover of the new single that the Lip Gloss remix and the Cruel remix are both done by Mark. I did not notice this before, so I wondered if anyone else did. I feel like Mark is very modest in his work for Tori. Even though he is her husband, he is always mentioned in the credits on the same level with Marcel. He is just one of the "team". It seemd to me like Eric Rosse wanted to get more credit than that. He always stood out in the credits, and he is put on the same level of producer as Tori on a lot of her singles and the first two albums. I get that feeling that no matter how much help Mark gave Tori, he still respects that this is her music, so he doesn't want any more credit than the other sound engineers. I think this is great for Tori. Eric seemed to consider Tori's music as "their" creation, rather than just hers. I don't know any of them personally, so this is all speculation on my part. I just wondered if others had similar impressions. Karin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:15:17 -0600 From: godgirl318@juno.com (watercolour stain) Subject: ACK-Tyme sensative-need East lansing tickets? So i bought 2 tickets from this EXTREMELY nice/patient Toriphile Cheryl and now i cant even go! 2 Tickets to the 12/3 E. Lansing show - Sec 231, Row 12, Seats 103 & 104. $69.00 (Face Value of tickets is $57.00, $9.50 convience charge, $2.50 handling charge) she paid $69 for the tickets, then i paid $50 so i dont really want much. I was hoping someone could send me a good CD-R or Video of one of the Plugged shows in exchange for the tickets. But basically i just want them gone. Even if i dont get anything in return at least some poor Toriphile will get to see Tori, or will move up a few seats! Please respond so i can tell Cheryl where to send the tickets! Through the Pretty Good Years, DeJernet ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:25:05 -0600 From: "The Shermans" Subject: RE: durham show... Also- flying dutchman is on forgotten earthquakes, which may be easier for an american to find. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-precious-things@smoe.org [mailto:owner-precious-things@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Nadyne Mielke Sent: Saturday, November 21, 1998 12:13 PM To: precious-things@smoe.org Subject: Re: durham show... At 05:12 PM 11/21/98 +0000, the wrote: [snip] >also, are "angie", "flying dutchman" and "london girls" on any of the >singles? and if so, which ones and are how hard are they to find? Tori's cover of the Stones' "Angie" {and her covers of Led Zep's "Thank You" and Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit"} is available on the US Crucify EP. This is very easy to find, and should cost you $10. "Flying Dutchman" is available on the UK China single and on the Australian Under the Pink tour special edition album -- both of these are pretty hard to find. UK China CD single is worth around $40, and the UtP special edition goes for $50 these days. "London Girls" is on the US Talula single, which is very easy to find and costs $4-$6. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 13:10:38 PST From: "*january grrl*" Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V3 #408 toriphiles and friends, kay.. i have a new website up, called Butterflies Dont Belong In Nets.. I have a few things up already, but I wanted to add a few sections... If you have meet and greet pictures, concert reviews, favorite quotes, .mp3's of great songs/rare songs, tori artwork, tori poetry, tori stories (either your story of her or her quotes about her life)or ANYTHING that you know that isnt already known to most of the public... please email me.. you can look at the main frame which is up now at this URL: http://www.angelfire.com/wa/fadedglitter/toriamos.html ...Butterflies Dont Belong In Nets... tell me what you think of the layout, the graphics, the conent, etc. :-) love and blue skies, courtney - -------------------------------- http;//www.eccentrica.org/toriphile/index.html Courtney's Little Plastic Castle http://www.angelfire.com/wa/fadedglitter/toriamos.html Butterflies Don't Belong In Nets (another tori amos website) "give me one reason to be beautiful" -hole "we scream in cathedrals, why cant it be beauitiful, why does there gotta be a sacrafice?" -tori, "iieee" "Growing up isn't always fun They tore your dress and stole your ribbons They see you cry, they lick their lips But butterflies don't belong in nets" -tori, "mary" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 18:47:55 EST From: BIueHour@aol.com Subject: Newark Review/Setlist 11/25 :) The Newark show was *incredible* I must say. So much that I just have to write a review right this minute. Happy Thanksgiving and Enjoy!! The NJPAC is a really nice venue. My friend said it reminded her of a mini- Royal Albert Hall, with all of the tiers and the lights and everything. Great place. OK, so on with the show... (The Unbelievable Truth was a quality band IMHO; I might pick up their CD. They were such sweetie pies.) Just when it seemed like the show was going to start, the curtain rose and there was the Bosey all lit up and all of Tori's "brothers" (as she introduced them to us that night) were on stage warming up when suddenly this transparant curtain comes down and the house lights go back on for another 10 minutes or so. False start. :Þ Real Start...... "Precious Things" - amazing, powerful, chill-inducing "God" - I wasn't expecting this one, it was one I had wanted to hear but then forgotten I wanted to hear it..... great, loved the "You dropped a bomb on me sweet Jesus, c'mon and do it again" part. "Hotel" - this one swirled, I loved it, one of my Choirgirl favorites, so glad she played it! "Past the Mission" - just as wonderful as people said it was with the band "Sugar" - OMIGOSH i loooooved this one, there was this yellow-orange light bathing Tori as she let this one rip, awesome...... :) "Yes, Anastasia" - another OMIGOSH of disbelief, it was gorgeous "Merman" - this was the first time I ever head this one, she began by saying "Ever since that boy Matthew died [out in Wyoming?] this one keeps [peeking out?] and I keep playing it. It's not on the album, but none of my favorites are ever on my albums." It was simply a prayer. "Baker Baker" - just when ya thought she was ready to bring the boys back out, she wasn't.... "Little Earthquakes" - just when you wondered how the spell of the quiet time could be eased back into the rhythm of the band, LE eased the transition. stark and beautiful "Crucify" "Black Dove" - made you feel like you were in a trance "Waitress" - loved the "hang ten honey, i'm gonna go where she goes" <1st encore> "Talula" "Raspberry Swirl" - rocked. duh. :) "Tear in Your Hand" - positively inspiring, and fitting with the "time to wave good-bye now." "Beauty Queen" - almost acapella, with a little piano at the end, gorgeous and just when ya thought "Horses" was next, "Mary" showed up. beautiful, again... very comforting Then the boys went away for the final time and Tori began "Silent All These Years" which evoked such a response and was exquisite. The end. Thanks fer reading my humble lil review..... What an awe*some show.... It was funny how few Choirgirl songs were played. It was a very Pink night. Maybe there was something about UtP that night, because at the M&G almost everyone had the UtP vinyl or cd liner notes to be signed...... And finally, if *anyone* knows of *anyone* with a recording of this show, please let me know. please....... thanx :) leyna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:30:29 -0800 From: violet@torithoughts.org Subject: Re: Cooling, Merman and other comments Matt wrote: >on merman ( my song ) i don't think she's saying goat cuz it doesn't make any >sense and it definatly not girl because it starts with the "go" sound And Tori never uses odd pronunciation when she sings, right? ;) I mean, even if it is the "go" sound, then that wouldn't support "god" -- it would support "goad." That doesn't make sense. I firmly believe it's "girl," myself. Pieces of Tori's pronunciation often take on a British affectation, and I can completely hear "girl" with an English accent ... sort of a drawn out "guhl" with virtually no "r". (You can get the sound more specifically by starting to sing the word "glass" very very slowly and just don't go past the "l", pronouncing only the "gl.") That's the sound and word that I hear. To me, this is a simple humble lullaby that she's singing to the spirit of the baby to tell her about the Merman, to sing her into the next world, to carry her soul to the mystical place where the Merman dwells. I see the Merman as the guardian of this other realm and the souls that come into it and Tori's telling the baby to go, that it's okay, that it's a beautiful place and she'll be safe and it's okay to go to sleep and pass into this other world because she won't be alone. I see "Merman" as being the other side of the "Playboy Mommy" coin. Violet xoxox ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:36:41 -0500 (EST) From: Charlie Poole Subject: An article of interest Hi all, In my local newspaper there was an article from the London Observer's news service in which I found interesting parallels to Tori. See if you agree. I've cpopied some quotes from the article with the specific info left blank. Jump a few years into the future and I think you could put Tori Amos' name in the blanks without changing anything else. The article concerns the details of a coming conference about the life and songs of a famous musician. One day a long time from now I believe that there will be an academic conference with academics submitting papers on Tori. "People get addicted to _____ _______," says James Bruno, professor of education at the University of California at Los Angeles. "Just like the music of the church, and opera: people go to listen to it, and are uplifted and healed. In the final analysis, that's what art is: it heals the spirit. _______ just produced more healing than anyone else." "People have a need to express their feelings," Bruno says. "They can't do it. Then _______ comes along, and they say 'Yes. That's exactly the way I feel'." [Joseph Fioravanti, former professor at the State University of New York's College of Technology and author of one of the conference's papers] "The kind of songs I'll be looking at deal with the fragility of any kind of loving relationship. _______ had the clout, and the independence, to explore these deeper, dark-hued love songs -- and that was very uncommercial back in the 19__s." One of the things I so admire about Tori as a composer and performer is her need to challenge herself and her listeners. There are a lot of good singers who are singing the same songs on their fifth album as were on the first; they may be good but there's no growth. If Tori is about anything, she's about growth and change, about extending yourself. I may not like everything she will do in the future with her music but I sure will enjoy the trip. The subject of the conference: The 1950s music of Frank Sinatra. The pretentious titles of the papers being presented by the two quoted academics are, respectively, "Frank Sinatra: An Artist Whose Creative Expression Amplified the Whispers of the American Collective Unconscious" and "Hanging on a String of Dreams: Delirium and Discontent in Sinatra's Love Songs." I hope you enjoyed this interlude brought to you through the strange convolutions of Charlie's mind. Be good to yourself, Charlie - -- Subscribe to the Tori and Everything Else mailing list. Send an e-mail message to toriandmore-subscribe@makelist.com or subscribe from http://www.findmail.com/list/toriandmore/ Tori Amos tour info at: http://php.indiana.edu/~cpoole/toritour.html +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | C.W. Poole | "Charlie" | cpoole@indiana.edu | +-------------------+-----------------+--------------------------+ | To me happiness, true happiness is when you can really dance | | with sad. --Tori Amos | | I have spent a lifetime learning how to cry. --Janis Ian | *----------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:28:23 EST From: PoetGrrlAC@aol.com Subject: bethlehem show review i've been waiting so long for this show. i couldn't go to any philly shows this year on the regular or sneak, so this was special, considering it was the only plugged show i'd be able to go to, and probably for awhile, assuming she doesn't tour in 99 before the live album, the last time she'd be around. so i've been hyper and excited about this forever. i couldn't go to the m&g or the dinner, cause this was a school day and a work day for the woman (mrs. deihl) who took me and my friend, kristen. we got to the venue around 6:45, after getting almost lost. we stood outside for awhile, till after 7:30, and then the line started moving. mrs. deihl commented on how beefed up security was. i don't know how other shows have been, but it was crawling with police. people kept saying outside, no food, no drink, no camera, no audio or recording equipment, no mase, no knives, no guns. my friend kristen and i joked, no breathing. one girl's ride had left, and she had a camera, which they confiscated. very no nonense. we had floor seats, row 19, seats 8, 9, 10. we got escorted to our seats, and lord! the arena was so small (it looked later as if half had blocked off by the stage and crew area), and was perfect! the people behind us were kinda clueless, they thought Tori went to Juillard and was born Ellen Mary. And we talked to two nice women in the ladies room, who wanted to know what was up with the people with faery wings and faery halos. i explained the thing in the "thank you" section, and they're like, doh! there were also three kings there, who appearedto be making laps. sorry, two kings and a queen. one was a girl. :) i had sent beth a letter to give Tori for me, since she was going to the m&g. i remember she said she'd be wearing stonewashed jeans and had very long, red hair, tye dye top. well a woman walked past my room with her red hair tucked into a cloak, blocking view of the length. i realized it might be her, and shot a look back, and under the cloak were stone-washed jeans. i ran over, and she was talking to some people, so i waited (bet they thought i was nuts, like, who's this chick waiting here? go on by!), and was like, are you beth, i'm manda. she gave me a hug, and told me even though she didn't get to give Tori my letter, someone had at the m&g. whew! i thanked her over and over. i even had a letter for her, but i left it in my jacket at my seat. i was walking back, when she called me back, and then she introduced me to anthony ruiz. anthonywas gonna get me a ticket for the state college show, but i wasn't able to go, and had to cancel. he was really nice too, and he told me how the m&g went, and how everyone followed the number system, and it was really small. he said people were calmer cause they had to make sure it was okay, and no one waved them over. he also said rumor was something special was to happen tonight, and they might premeire mary with the band. this got me excited, cause i love mary. and then, to add to my excitement, he said they might play past the mission, which would be awesome, cause it was the first Tori song i ever heard. anthony and beth are so sweet and nice people! they are so friendly! unbelievable truth came out between 8:30-8:45. my friend hated the unbelievable truth, and i thought they were so-so. they played nine songs, which to be honest, all sounded the same. very male nasal-whine, and the lyrics, well just forget about understanding any of them. very few and far between did we. the reminded me of the counting crows (and i like some of their songs). so finally, Tori comes out at 9:23 (and i won a bet with kristen that she would come out before 9:30). from past reviews, this seemed later than usual. the lights went out, stage lights came on, band came out. caton, jon, and matt all looked really good and happy tonight. caton had on his cool hat. the crowd stood up went Tori came out, and the people in front of us were tall, like 6 ft (maybe not, but close!). i stood on my tiptoes, and could see finally. she was wearing a black off the shoulder leotard thing and black pants (maybe jeans). she looked perfect tonight, and this was like, wow! this woman i have been influenced by, admired her, and lived through her music was up there. it was surreal. i really couldn't get over this. very shock inducing. she went up to the front, and did the whole bow thing, and waves. Concert starts: precious things- which i was hoping for! it was fantastic. the whole song was so incredible, i will never be able to listen to the cd again the same way! she skipped one "sick" in the "can you believe him that sick" (i'm used to "sick sick". she kept singing "i wanna smash the faces of those christian boys, christian boys, smash those christian boys". the "so you can make me cum, it doesn't make you jesus" and "with their NINE-INCH nails and little facist panties tucked inside the heart of every nice grrrl" were amazing, and they wasn't a crotch grab, just kinda laying her one finger over her crotch. not as powerful as pics and footage i've seen. iiiee-i always loved this from the album, and this was no different. i felt close to tears, and she did the baby cradle motion. she had so much emotion in her voice, kinda what i call "crying over tears" where you cna hear the sadness behind each line. she sounded kinda mournful during"we scream in cathedrals". Past the mission-anthony was right! yeah! it wasn't too pumped up, which i was glad of. every word was understandable (some in iiiee and pt weren't), and she seemed to be having a great time. caton was doing something, i think he danced a bit. this song i almost started crying during, especially at the beginning ("i don't believe i went too far") and the chorus. they shone blue lights at the choruses i think. sugar-i've always liked this b-side, cause i can relate with the unrequinted love thing. her voice was so beautiful at this point, very breathy and light. it was so gorgeous with the band, especially the "he brings me sugar", like the most beautiful ever! hotel-this was never a favorite, and actually, i might skip this on the cd when it plays. but i loved it by the end because it was more alive than on the cd somehow. less electronic, more impact. caton seemed to enjoy this one, and even saw him grin and stick his tongue out a bit happily! bells for her-this song only recently have i really begun to love lots. i thought, oh my lord! this is wonderful! it was like walking on air, and i did get choked up during this. secret time: hey jupiter-she says: "this is our time, where the boys go do their thing, and we have some time", and she starts. i covered my mouth, in shock. i was hoping for mother or winter, but this, wow. i have always wanted to hear this in concert because it is so meaningful to me. i was sobbing silently, tears pouring down my cheeks. kristen thought i was ill, and very upset. no kristen, this song is genius. :) upside down-this has one of my favorite lines, "i'm okay when everything else is not okay". this one i dried my eyes, and was very happy. great choice, and she has having a ball. (band comes back, matt was bopping around) northern lad-wow! i wasn't expecting this, but was hoping for it. it was hey jupiter all over again, just more swaying and i stopped crying sooner. the "fucking cold" was very audible, and the people were loving the entire song. Cruel-i like this one. she had this thing going, looked as if she was portraying bondage or something, and was doing some butt-schimmying. what's that? :) i was definetely having a moment during this song (like beth's zone, just with me, lots of moments lasting from the momentshe entered to the last second of the last encore, grin). people were doing lots of hand dances, and caton and jon were jamming like crazy, dancing some for caton, hair flying for jon caught a lite sneeze-wow! this, i don't know if i anticipated it, or remembered to hope for it, but this was awesome. she improved hurt too! when that part came, you heard some claps and gasps. i'm glad i got the ddi boot this spring, it helped me realize what it was ("i hurt myself today"). sounded awesome, but really different without the harpsichord and all. people did hand motions for "boys on my left side, boys on my right side" waitress-i've never been sure of this one. i like it, then don't, oi. i was hoping for she's your cocaine, but i love the new improv! "hang ten honey i'll go where you go" was the best, and the "too many stars and not enough sky" was so awesome! like the place was flooded with magic and faery dust. it went on so long, i didn't want it to end! it lasted for (estimate) over 5 min., close to 7? i don't quite remember so here they wave, and Tori blows kisses. encore 1: cornflake girl- can we say wahoo! everything was awesome! sometimes words inaudible, but wow! now i was dancing, and so were most people. this is such a freakin cool beefed up version! this girl has been waiting so long to rock, now she's got her chance. raspberry swirl-yeah! i told kristen about this one, and she was like, cool! this song was made for this. the album version comes nowhere close. full of energy, spice, and she was wiggling on the bench, and caton, wow! that guy was going nuts dancing with a chesire cat grin! they wave bye bye. encore 2: graveyard-surprise! this is such a beautiful song! a great intro to... tear in your hand-i'd wanted to hear this, and given up. thanks Tori! lots of people "wave goodbye". you could understand every word, and the whole band was jamming and dancing, and jon! whew! someone give him a ponytail or something for encores! his hair was all in his face, and you can't exactly get it out when fingering a bass. she was so alive and aglow. she was so happy and (god i hate this word) giddy. Mary-wow. she said: "now we haven't done this girl with the band yet on tour, so we're gonna fuck up". needless to say, they didn't (as far as i and kristen could tell, kristen's like, "she never fucks up! why would she think that?"grin) she belted out "butterflies don't belong in nets", and all the phrasing was so fantastic! before she started this, some people started rushing the stage, and she leaned over to tell the security guards "don't worry, they always rush the stage". i didn't, mostly because now i had a better view. spark-i was so not expecting this! this was kristen's first Tori song, and she was like, yeah, and clawed my hand (she said she gripped, but i have the nail marks to prove it :) ). the "how many fates turn around in the overtime" part was repeated several times, slightly different than i thoughtit would be. i liked this version better, she was on fire she was so good! the rest aremy random observations on the show. caton brought out some red wine (i'm assuming it's wine) during the firstencore and sat it on his speaker. jon and caton were dancing and head banging during the encores. me thinks they love those best. :) before they came out for the encores, it sounded as if theroof was caving in. later i found out people were banging on their chairs. lots of screaming, and the guy behind me was a pill. he screamed, that's the piano! when he sat down, cause the ub gear was there, and when ub came out, screamed, you're not Tori! he also thought she was born ellen mary amos. glad his friends set him straight. there were three kings, who tried to give her their gifts unsuccesfully, and some faeries in attendance. the light show WAS fantastic, and during upside down, they shone many blue lights. i can't remember which song, maybe cruel, they had a rotating white light around Tori. very cool. during some songs, they'd spotlight Tori and caton. this was a fantastic show. we tried to go to the after m&g, but weren't sure where it was around the buses. when we found it, it was close to fifty people, and very nasty with pushing. we left then, but i didn't mind. Tori got my letter, and read it that night, and played both the songs the next night. that thrilled me, and i wished i coulda gone, but i'm okay with it. i was in awe and tears after, all smiles and tears. it was beyond my wildest dreams! i can't wait for the next tour, and regret i can't go to anymore shows. i'm still in a daze, three days later, and very happy. my mom said i walked in glowing, on cloud nine. i didn't stop talking about it yet. sigh. that was fantastic. peace, manda c http://members.aol.com/poetgrrlac/music1/home.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:30:56 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Question: New RS/Cruel Single At 12:04 AM 11/26/98 -0500, GonaTwinkl@aol.com wrote: >Double A-side means that there are no B-sides on the single. An A-side is a >song that is released on the album, and since this had two titles, >Cruel/Raspberry Swirl, it is a double A-side becuase both songs released are >found on the album, even tho the songs on the single are remixes. Hope that >clears it up =) Your definition here isn't quite correct. What "double a-side" means is that the single is promoting two songs, instead of just one. For example, the last US single, Jackie's Strength, was only to promote JS. The current US single promotes both RS and Cruel. The last time Tori released a double A-side single was the HJ/PW single in the UK. It was nearly identical to the US single, except it replaced the live version of PW with one of the remixes {Armand's star funkin' trunkin' luckin' duckin' muckin' one, I think} and left off Tori's cover of "Over the Rainbow". That single very definitely had bee-sides {the live versions of Sugar and Honey}. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 17:34:32 -0800 (PST) From: honey Subject: people attending last shows hi, i hate to ask this, but i was trying to see one of the last shows, but it doesnt look its going to happen..so if anyone who is going would mind getting me one of the new tour shirts, it would mean alot to me. I would of course pay for the shirt and the shipping costs. If anyone is willing to do this, please let me know. thanks-holly - ---- honey- http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Cabaret/6023 - ---- _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 20:49:09 -0600 (CST) From: The Mermaid Subject: Re: Velvets? (Hotel analysis) "Once upon a faerie tale, Thomas Mazorlig said:" > > Erin writes: > >The velvets are characters in Neil's Sandman. (That's the FTCH neil > reference.) He named them, of course, for the velvet underground, his > favorite band. > > OK, I don't want to knitpick, but I've read all of the Sandman comics at > least a dozen times and don't recal characters called the velvets. Can Ahh ... they're not in Sandman. If I recall right, the Velvet's are from Neverwhere (and someone'll correct me if I'm wrong). Don't forget, Neil's done a LOT more than just Sandman. There's the "Books of Magic" series, Neverwhere, the "Lady Justice" series, _Good Omens_ (book, written w/Terry Pratchett) ... there's a LOT of Neil stuff out there, if you know where to look :) -- The Mermaid ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:42:00 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: I found More Pink... At 07:37 AM 11/26/98 -0500, Cynthia Lawson wrote: >I found that URL for Gaslight Records... >http://www.gaslight.com.au/ >they do have More Pink, at the same URL, with the /exclusive.html extension >added to >the above address. I'm glad you found it. I'm always bad at remembering URLs {although you'd think I could get one that easy down, wouldn't you?"}. >The price is $75.00, but I doubt this is in U.S. dollars...does anyone know >what the >conversion rate is? Let's see. A websearch on "currency converter" came up with the following site: http://www.oanda.com/converter/classic Plug AUS$75 into it, and it says that comes out to just over US$48. IMHO, that price may be a bit high {Gaslight had it for a less the last time I was there, I think AUS$50 or AUS$60}, but More Pink is getting harder to find... *shrug* >SEcond thing, what is the track listing for More Pink? (/nad?) Here goes: A Case of You, Honey, Daisy Dead Petals, Sister Janet, Sugar, Take to the Sky, Upside Down, Flying Dutchman, Here. In My Head, Black Swan, Little Drummer Boy. A Case of You, Flying Dutchman, Black Swan, and Here. In My Head are really the only songs on it that you can't readily find on US singles/albums: * A live version of Honey is on the US HJ EP, ditto for Sugar. * DDP is on the US CfG single, as is SJ {and the studio version of Honey}. * Take to the Sky and Upside Down are on the US "limited edition" [1] Winter. * Little Drummer Boy is available on the Christmas promo compilation "So This is Christmas" and the Christmas compilation "You Sleigh Me". All of these are still very easy to come by. /nad [1] Limited to less than five for every man, woman, cat, and cockroach on the planet. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #409 *************************************