From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #405 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, November 23 1998 Volume 03 : Number 405 Today's Subjects: ----------------- my writing webpage ["jeanaleigh *" ] ohio shows nov.28 & nov.29 [honey ] cover girl Tori ["Jennifer Dean" ] Re: concerning the ewf wav.. [Freque79@aol.com] Modern Drummer [lissa ] Re: durham show... [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: Northern Lad ["Master Guru" ] Re: Hotel lyrics analyzation [Erin Martin ] "Do these knobs do like, Stuff?" [Beth Coulter ] Donate to RAINN and get a live recording ["Ali" ] Bethlehem Head Count [Beth Coulter ] Hotel lyrics [Daniel M Perez ] Last 3 shows... [Yessaid@aol.com] comp video question [RHPSshock@aol.com] Lowell, MA [GonaTwinkl@aol.com] Re: concerning the ewf wav.. [Mikewhy ] badges for bethlehem [PoetGrrlAC@aol.com] Re: precious-things-digest V3 #403 [godgirl318@juno.com (watercolour stai] ? that might have been asked already [Katapilla7@aol.com] m&g, east lansing [Loria ] Re: comp video question ["jupiter spazzz" ] The Lowell Show... looking for attendees [Matt Margolis ] TIME SENSITIVE-Bethlehem Show [Becky Wall ] TIME SENSITIVE-Univ. Deleware show [ToriBoi@aol.com] Akron, OH 11-28-98 [butterscotch80@webtv.net (christina zaremba)] Re: UtP B&W poster [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: Hotel lyrics analyzation [desmond in a tutu ] Re: precious-things-digest V3 #403 ["Luna 17" ] Re: molasses ["Luna 17" ] about tori @ Durham [jls7@monadnock.keene.edu (Jenn)] Re: Hotel lyrics analyzation ["Thomas Mazorlig" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:10:31 PST From: "jeanaleigh *" Subject: my writing webpage Okay, most of the time when I post to this list, I get ignored but oh well. So anyway, I've made a webpage. It has, right now, only my poetry on it. Some of you have probably seen it on the Dent, only under different names. I've had several different aliases (Jeanette H. and violet anastasia to name a couple) but they're all me. If you have comments, feedback, or advice email me at beauty.queen@gurlmail.com Here is the page address: http://members.tripod.com/jeanaleigh/ why can't it beautiful? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:38:28 -0800 (PST) From: honey Subject: ohio shows nov.28 & nov.29 hi, does anyone have any tickets for sale for either of these shows? Nov. 28 Akron OH Nov. 29 Columbus OH please let me know if you do. thanks-holly _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:42:27 -0600 From: "Jennifer Dean" Subject: cover girl Tori Tori is on the cover, and is the feature article of "Rockrgrl" this month. You can visit their sit at: http://www.rockrgrl.com/ I don't think they have the article on the web site yet, but it stated that it is coming soon........ Sharin' the Tori love- Jenn D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:14:28 EST From: Freque79@aol.com Subject: Re: concerning the ewf wav.. In a message dated 11/21/98, 1:23:20 AM, mcknight@golden.net writes: <> well i think it might have been from DDI... and on the october 23 (?) concert she had some trouble and had to leave the stage crying.. think she might have been sick but she came back and played some more. So... that's probably not all she is referring to, but at least part of it. Mairie http://fly.to/pianoqueen/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 15:59:14 -0700 From: lissa Subject: Modern Drummer I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet but Matt is on the cover of the January, 1999 issue of Modern Drummer. There's a pretty good interview in it and some cool pictures. Just thought I'd share. Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:13:18 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: durham show... At 05:12 PM 11/21/98 +0000, the wrote: [snip] >also, are "angie", "flying dutchman" and "london girls" on any of the >singles? and if so, which ones and are how hard are they to find? Tori's cover of the Stones' "Angie" {and her covers of Led Zep's "Thank You" and Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit"} is available on the US Crucify EP. This is very easy to find, and should cost you $10. "Flying Dutchman" is available on the UK China single and on the Australian Under the Pink tour special edition album -- both of these are pretty hard to find. UK China CD single is worth around $40, and the UtP special edition goes for $50 these days. "London Girls" is on the US Talula single, which is very easy to find and costs $4-$6. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:07:05 -0500 From: "Master Guru" Subject: Re: Northern Lad - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kristen M Felicetti To: Sent: Saturday, November 21, 1998 11:13 AM Subject: Northern Lad > >"when you're only wet because of the rain". >I've always had my own meaning for that line. I like Bethey's >interpretation about something sad has happened and the only wetness >around your eyes is from the rain. I've always seen the line as, you >think what's made you wet is something amazing, some really special >precipitation or something but it's only rain. A metaphor for, you >thought this was a really special relationship but infact it's not, >you've realized it's ordinary and not important. I tend to agree, its a time when HE doesn't get you all wet and excited anymore.. And you know it (relationship) is over..that instance when its not special anymore.. My .02 Phil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:35:35 -0500 From: Erin Martin Subject: Re: Hotel lyrics analyzation The velvets are characters in Neil's Sandman. (That's the FTCH neil reference.) He named them, of course, for the velvet underground, his favorite band. I sometimes wonder if there's a connection between vu and the song, since they met "beneath ground." Hotel is a favorite of mine...I've usually utilized the stuff she says in the alternative press article, about people that you meet just briefly but you know that they'll change you and you'd never be the same w/o them. This interpretation especially has meaning for me...my b/f dumped me a few hrs. before I left to go to Canada. So by the time I got to Montreal, I was miserable and tired and all of that. We went to an underground mall (beneath ground) and then we were back at the hotel...I left to go get ice in the icebucket, but all the ice machines seemed to be broken. So I went to the hotel bar, and there was this guy at the bar who started talking to me. I ended up sitting there and chatting w/ him for about 2 1/2 hours! . That kind of explains "Hotel" for me...you meet somebody in a place where you know you'll just be moving on again, but they're there for you then. Because I needed somebody like this guy, Joe, to talk to then. That's kind of how I see Hotel as fitting into my little existence. Blue skies and fireflies, Erin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:13:48 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: "Do these knobs do like, Stuff?" "Yeah. They do lots of stuff." Tori Amos on mixing Choirgirl. Just picked up and listened to the new RS/Cruel single. WOW! Trip city. Cruel doesn't sound much different, but the "ambient" mix of RS is so awesome in full. But my favorite is the "mainline" Spark mix. Someone had *lots* of fun in the editing room. Mostly a lot "She's addicted" remixed over and over. But listen closely and you hear (during the "you say you don't want it" part) Tori in reverse. It is so awesome, so trippy. Who needs drugs??? This will send you into the Tori Zone all by itself, a first for me outside a concert. Did those knobs do stuff? OH YEAH. LOTS of stuff. *sigh* I'm addicted. Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:55:58 -0800 From: "Ali" Subject: Donate to RAINN and get a live recording Hi, Here's the deal. I have recorded Tori's Southern California shows and I'm willing to make copies for people. These were recorded using an excellent pair of mics on MD and their sound quality is excellent. All you have to do is donate at least $5 per show directly to RAINN (You can have all 5 shows if you donate at least $20). The address for RAINN is: RAINN 635-B Pennsylvania Ave., SE Washington, DC 20003 Just send me the CASHED CHECK along with a blank tape, self-addressed stamped envelope and the date of the show. These are the shows and dates: Arrowhead Pond 9/18/98 Santa Barbara Bowl 9/20/98 The Greek 9/22/98 The Greek 9/23/98 San Diego SU 9/26/98 I'm working on a way to let you sample the quality of the recording. If you are interested e-mail me and I will either point you to the site or send you a snippet. Ali ToriAmos@pacbell.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:14:10 -0500 From: Beth Coulter Subject: Bethlehem Head Count Everyone who is planning on attending the Bethlehem Concert pre-show gathering must contact me before Monday morning so that I may give the restarant a head count for the reservation. The restarant is GUS'S CROSS ROADS INN.......................(610) 867-8821 3760 OLD PHILADELPHIA PIKE BETHLEHEM PA This is about 3 miles from Stabler and the closest place for 5 miles. The prices are fairly reasonable and I will make the reservation under the name "Toriphiles". I will make the time tentitive for 5PM to allow for a M&G. I will include an overcount of 10 to allow room for folks who can't respond, but if you know someone who will be attending, please let me know about them also. Mark the subject "Bethlehem Head Count". Thanks and see you all at Stabler. *weather for monday: High 50's and sunny. Whee!* Fairy Blessings, Bethey I'm OK when everything's not OK cause it's the Fairies Revenge they say and I have always been a Fairy *************************************************************** *~**Fairy Blessings**~* ~~ tori trades and really deep thoughts~ a proud member of the Tori Traders Ring updated at least monthly http://www.angelfire.com/pa/bethey/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 02:24:37 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel M Perez Subject: Hotel lyrics Um, I hate to say that you're wrong, cause when it comes to interpretation it's all very personal, regardless of what Tori was thinking of when she wrote the song, but there are a few things I can say about it. First of all, not everything in Tori's world is about Trent Reznor, just like not everything in the world is about Courtney Love. Why some people insist on linking everything she sings to these two over and over, I have no idea. You can think what you want, but it ain't about Trent, IMO. Hotel, actually, is one of those multi-layered songs that are incredible for interpretation, cause many parts mean different things, and then the whole stands for something. Before I go, I must urge, nay, TELL all of you to go out today, and buy and _read_, "Neverwhere" by Neil Gaiman. I assure you, without a single doubt, that apart from an incredible read and an amazingly well-put together story, you will understand facets of Hotel much, MUCH better. And by the way, yes, I know where are the Velvets. ;) Read it. Ultimately Hotel means a lot of things, true, and some may be linked to reality, and some to what Tori calls reality, which isn't necessarily what we experience. But read Neverwhere, and you'll get a much broader picture of the song. I'm not saying all of it is a reference to the novel, but huge chunks of it definitely are. - -- Daniel M. Perez [highmoon@geocities.com] [http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/6109] - --Rebel Gamers of Miami [Rebel Leader] * [http://come.to/rgom] - --Miami, FL Star Wars CCG & Star Trek CCG Tournament Director - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "You know, taken out of context, I must seem so strange." -Ani DiFranco, "Firedoor" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 05:20:43 EST From: Yessaid@aol.com Subject: Last 3 shows... hi everyone! if anyone has an extra ticket for any of the last 3 shows of the tour, Nov 30, Dec 2, or Dec 3, or info about how i can get tickets for these (without a credit card, i don't have one), i would be indebted forever and ever if you'd let me know... i figured i'd post about it, as a desperate attempt :) i can pay for the tickets, of course, but i can't afford outrageous prices that people have been charging for tickets (i.e. the $300 someone charged for a ticket to the last show). that's insane and illegal and so bad i almost cried. anyway, though, any help would be Greatly appreciated. thanks... j'ason ~~ Toriphoria http://members.aol.com/Yessaid/Toriphoria.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 10:27:04 EST From: RHPSshock@aol.com Subject: comp video question Okay, is anyone else's video making weird fuzzy sounds towards the end-like near Pretty Good Year? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:46:02 EST From: GonaTwinkl@aol.com Subject: Lowell, MA hey everybody, I was just wondering if anybody got the Lowell, MA (debut of 'Girl' )show on tape, or knows anybody who did. If you do, please e-mail me privately, and we can arrange a trade er sumthin. Thanks *lover brother bogenvilla* ~*josh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 03:10:45 -0500 From: Mikewhy Subject: Re: concerning the ewf wav.. Mairie posted about the ewf wav: >well i think it might have been from DDI... and on the october 23 (?) concert >she had some trouble and had to leave the stage crying.. think she might have >been sick but she came back and played some more. So... that's probably not >all she is referring to, but at least part of it. Actually, Tori recorded that at the meet & greet before the September 16, 1996 show in Akron, Ohio during the DDI tour. You can read the story of how the wav was recorded here: http://members.aye.net/~mikewhy/molly/PAGEONE4.HTM Yours in Tori, Mikewhy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. Whitehead mikewhy@iglou.com My Dent In The Tori Amos Net Universe => http://www.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html "Moses I know, I know you've seen fire, but you've never seen fire until you've seen Pele blow..." Tori Amos - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 12:23:39 EST From: PoetGrrlAC@aol.com Subject: badges for bethlehem note to readers: this has been sent to all people whom i know are going to the show hi sweeties, ok, just one more day till concert day (day and some if you count tomorrow). i just wanted to remind everyone, if you are meeting at the restaurant with beth and crew, or you just wanna wear one to be able to be recognized by online buds, then go here: http://members.aye.net/~mikewhy/jpgs/ftcgh/BADGE1.JPG print, fill in your name and e-mail. i and a bunch of others will be wearing them. it's a great way to find your online friends! hope to see you guys there! peace, manda c http://members.aol.com/poetgrrlac/music1/home.htm p.s. i won't see you guys at dinner, i and my two friends will be at the venue between 6-7. but look for me, i'll be all happy to say hi and talk. i'm row 19, seat 9, friends in 8 and 10. k? look for me! below the shoulders loose blonde hair, black shirt, jeans. very random, but i'll be wearing a headband with little blue flowers, my badge, and raspberry swirl girl necklace. e-mail me if you'll be there! :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:00:15 -0600 From: godgirl318@juno.com (watercolour stain) Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V3 #403 Actually i was looking at that a few days ago and i picked out the words "Ice Cream assassin" i dont know when that was taken but could it be a spark reference??? Through the Pretty Good Years, DeJernet On Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:50:02 EST GLWNGFMNST@aol.com writes: > >Everyone knows the picture of Tori from the RAINN promotion days, >right? >You know, the one where she's wearing the black Unlock The Silence >shirt, and >a flowered skirt. Her hands are crossed in front of her and she has >writing >on them. >I have tried for quite some time now to decipher the writing. I even >tried >scanning it onto my computer and zooming in on it. Nothing seems to >work. If >any of you for some random reason know what is writen, or even have an >idea as >to what could possibly be written, please let me know. >Thanks you, >*have you a little faerie in your home?* >-Sadrah > "he says he reckons I'm a watercolour stain he says I run and then I run from him and then I run he didn't see me watching from the aeroplane he wiped a tear and then he threw away our appleseed" - -Tori AOL IM-Spacedog19 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 15:16:04 EST From: Katapilla7@aol.com Subject: ? that might have been asked already at the dent it said there would be uncut versions of some videos what are the videos and what has been uncut from them kat ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:52:39 -0500 From: Loria Subject: m&g, east lansing hiyas all. i know i've talked to a few people about this, but i need to get some names again since my email apparently has been acting all funky lately. i need tofind out who will be attending the east lansing m&g and if you'd all like to get together before hand, etc. let me know, since i live right in east lansing i'd love to meet up with you all. cheers, loria ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:15:34 PST From: "jupiter spazzz" Subject: Re: comp video question i dont have a problem with pgy, but with silent all these years. at the end mostly, the red is all screwed up in her hair and her shirt. now, we know that tori is always glowing but not with a harsh flourescent tones! but thats my vcr i think. 21 year old machines do that i guess. maybe i should pour a margherita over the heads (considering its legally able to consume alcohol) and give it a good farewell. anyone else's tracking messed up with it? again, this could be the machine but even after i played with it there were still small lines appearing at the bottom of the screen. thinking a little mental yoga, e.liz.a.beth. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 15:27:47 -0500 From: Matt Margolis Subject: The Lowell Show... looking for attendees I went to the Lowell show on the 17th, and recently just added a section on my Tori Amos webpage about it. if anyone on this list was there and would like to read about my experience, and maybe would like to contribute words of your own that be cool. Plus, anyone with pictures from the concert and/or the Meet & Greet afterwards please let me know as well.. and while I'm at it, if Keely, the girl writing numbers on everyone's hands at the Lowell show is reading this... please e-mail me.. Matt Margolis e-mail: mmargolis@mail.hartford.edu IM: CueballAZA - ---------------------------------------------------------- Visit "The Light In The Dark" a tori amos homepage http://fly.to/the_light or http://uhavax.hartford.edu/~mmargolis/toriamos - ---------------------------------------------------------- Need custom graphics for a webpage? E-mail me.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:37:18 EST From: Epetula@aol.com Subject: UtP B&W poster Hello EWF, Recently I bought a poster from Under the Pink. It's Black and white and has tori sitting a little sideways, grinning, in a chair. its sort of blurry. Is this a collectible? I thought it might be since it was from UtP and i found it in perfect condition at a used record store. Of course, even if its not, i love it anyway, I am having a hard enough time finding a place worthy of putting it :) fairy kisses, boo ps. hi richard!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:08:07 PST From: "jacinda *" Subject: bootlegs or concert cds... could anyone tell me where to find tori bootlegs, or concert cds? thank you so much.... :-D ~~rainfaerie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "...and when my hand touches myself, i can finally rest my head, and when they say take of his body, i think i'll take from mine instead..." ~icicle, tori amos visit rainfaerie's website http://www.geocities.com/soho/Square/8987 icq #20362834 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:49:46 -0500 From: Becky Wall Subject: TIME SENSITIVE-Bethlehem Show I know that Joey just sent out a similiar message like this one, but I just decided yesterday to go to the Bethlehem show. If anyone has an extra ticket, I owuld love them forever.... Thank everyone so very much... Becky Wall the little raisongal >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >This message has been brought to you by the Purple People mailing list. >To unsubscribe or change e-mail addresses, contact ppadm@iname.com. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:33:05 EST From: ToriBoi@aol.com Subject: TIME SENSITIVE-Univ. Deleware show On the spur of the moment, i've decided to go to this show, THIS tuesday night... I thought i wouldnt' have another chance to catch another show, but alas... luck is on my side... ANY info on this venue (phone numbers, directions, general info.) would be greatly appriciated. I need to know if tix are still available and a phone number of the venue so i can get directions and further info... Has Tori been doing meet and greets before the shows?? I heard some rumors that she woudl be stopping since it's been so cold. Joey ToriBOi@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:37:23 -0500 (EST) From: butterscotch80@webtv.net (christina zaremba) Subject: Akron, OH 11-28-98 Hi, I was just wondering if anyone would happen to have an extra floor ticket for Tori's Akron Show on Nov. 28. I'm sorry to bother everybody with this request, but I promised a friend I would at least try to get her a ticket since I could at the Pittsburgh show. Thanks in advance. Love in Tori and Belief in the Fae, Chrissy P.S. Or if anyone is selling two good seats that would be nice also. Again I'm sorry if this inquiry doesn't pertain to you. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 20:02:31 -0500 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: UtP B&W poster At 11:37 AM 11/22/98 -0500, Epetula@aol.com wrote: > Recently I bought a poster from Under the Pink. It's Black and white and has >tori sitting a little sideways, grinning, in a chair. its sort of blurry. Is >this a collectible? I thought it might be since it was from UtP and i found >it in perfect condition at a used record store. Of course, even if its not, >i love it anyway, I am having a hard enough time finding a place worthy of >putting it :) Well, there's two ways to answer your question: "Is it collectible?" Anything's collectible. Look at the asinine Beanie Baby craze. ;) I think you meant "Is it rare and/or worth anything?" Nope. None of Tori's posters have terribly increased in value, and most are pretty easy to find {with the exception of a couple of promos}. It's worth almost exactly what you paid for it. :) /nad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 22:17:04 -0500 From: desmond in a tutu Subject: Re: Hotel lyrics analyzation also sprach cypresj@compsys.com: >2. The last lines about "Exit 75, I'm still alive" references her rape and >Binghamton (never got the connection between the two-- that conversation >escapes me now) i thought that this line was a reference to recovering from being sick in binghamton during the ddi tour. exit 75 is the exit number on new york route 17 for its interchange with interstate 81 on the eastern side of binghmaton. if you are heading eastward out of binghamton, you might think that exit 75, the last exit in town, was your salvation.... ...except that the next show was in buffalo which is to the west! but anyways. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:34:43 PST From: "Luna 17" Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V3 #403 >>Everyone knows the picture of Tori from the RAINN promotion days, >>right? You know, the one where she's wearing the black Unlock The Silence shirt, and a flowered skirt. Her hands are crossed in front of her and she has writing on them. >>I have tried for quite some time now to decipher the writing. You could try a magnifying glass. I don't know if you've tried doing some sort of photo enlargement thing (not with a scanner, but an actual photo) yet, but that could work, sometimes the grain is much smaller than an enlarged scanned image. If you got really desperate, you could take pictures of it with 4x5 film and then make photo enlargements from that (that sort of film always has much smaller grain and better focus, so an enlargement from that would be much better). Hopefully, you can find a way to do it 'cause I've always wondered what exactly she had written on her hands as well. love, Reagan (who almost misspelled her own name due to her superior typing skills...whoops) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 18:18:07 PST From: "Luna 17" Subject: Re: molasses >Still, I don't see why it has to be about a physical person; >why not a person she's pieced together of those she has >known and loves. Then again it could also have been written >about Mark, in a stage when it looked like it wasn't going >to work, even though it did in the end. It could also be >written in the sense of "how would I feel if it hadn't worked, >or didn't work". In that same vein, it might be something like Jackie's Strength. I'm fairly sure she talked about writing that song so she wouldn't be the one sitting outside a 7-11 in her wedding dress. Northern Lad might have been written for the same kind of purpose, so she wouldn't lose Mark. >Tori's songs are not autobiographical. They are pieces >of feeling, and pieces of things she wants to package >up and put into the "outside-of-me" box (maybe as a way >of dealing with them inside), combined into people or >entities that stand on their own. Especially with fTcGh >that's the case, where each song tells the story of a >different woman. I don't know if I agree with this completely. I think the pieces of feeling part is right, but I also think that if her songs are in fact about pieces of feeling, her feeling, then they do become autobiographical in the sense that they are recording and capturing parts of herself. I'm not sure if she writes these songs to put them outside of herself and keep them that way, but to capture whatever feeling she might have and to almost transform into a song so that she might better understand it and deal with it as a part of herself. Maybe it becomes more of a vehicle to allow her to move on and and continue to grow inside. Anyhow, I don't mean this as a critical thing, so I hope it is taken in that way. I only meant to think out loud, however incoherent I may become in the process : ) love, Reagan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:12:06 -0500 From: jls7@monadnock.keene.edu (Jenn) Subject: about tori @ Durham ok... yeah I know the show was on Thursday, and it's now Sunday.. but my school e-mail was messed up so I'm just now getting online..... Damien(my b-friend) and I got there just in time, we were the last ones to get our hands # which the whit center was soooo cool about because they led us to a seperate enterence, and let us in B4 anyone else..... the whole like 3 hours waiting in line, in the cold was crap, because there were these drunk girls that were near us and it was sooooo annoying. I wanted to have my camera for after the show for meets and greets, so I hid it between my boobies, so when they patted me down they wouldn't go near it.... heheheh I was sooo nervous, anyways, when we got inside we got right on the floor and pretty close to the stage... as soon as the opening band came on(which the lead singer is the brother to the lead singer of radiohead) everyone started pushing which i thought was soooo stupid we were aleready smooshed together there was nowhere to go ..... then tori came on... she had the stuffed animal tiger on her piano, and was wearing her black unitard/sparkly dress thingy she was sooo cute when she introduced the tiger..... everyone continued to push and be stupid which I thought was totally uncalled for at a Tori concert. a girl near the front ended up getting dizzy so they lifted her out and tori gave her some water, and throughout the show she kept giving bottles a water to the front, telling them to share and pass it back. she kept dancing with cayden(sp?) and that was cute..... my b/friend said during the 1st song, Precious things she lifted her dress and grabbed her crotch but I didn't see that We only stayed on the floor for about 1/2 the show becuase I was feeling queezy, and everybody was still pushing and I was enjoying myself at the end of the second encore my boyfriend and I dashed out side for meets and greets... it was sprinkling, and later on it ended up pouring....a guy came out and said tori was only going to go to a certain section(where only3 people could fit) and not to pass anything up,and not to be loud and excited, which I thought was CRAZY!! I've never seen a mees and greet like that.... so FINALLY tori came out, and I could kinda see her... right before she left someone handed up my Little Earthquakes CD thing, and I yelled Tori, she looked back took it opened it ( cause it was soaked, and signed it inside on ME AND A GUN she looked at me and I said "thank you tori" and she said ok guys get inside and get dry now... and she left :( I was soooo happy I got to see her AND she signed my cd insert!!!! Overall the concert was wonderful... I just wish the fans on the floor couldve been more mature..... love & tori, Jenn ;)~ "A cornflake girl is wonderbread whereas a raisin girl is whole wheat bread." - -Tori Amos "You can only be you. A lot of times it's never enough for people." - -Tori Amos "If you have the curiosity, the dream, and the need you will find the way."-Martha Graham ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:02:56 PST From: "Thomas Mazorlig" Subject: Re: Hotel lyrics analyzation Hello again. Jen, I think your interpretation is interesting an insightful. I think the song has to do (at least in part) with Trent as well. In particular the "you were wild" lines. I believe this is a connection to PtM. Trent sings "I once knew a hot girl" with Tori, and Tori has commented that this could be herself, or at least the narrator of PtM, as in "I used to be hot stuff but now look at me." So when she says "you were wild, where are you now" it has a double meaning. One, it is referring to Trent. You used to be a wild thing in my life but you're gone now. Two, Tori is referring to herself as in PtM. I used to be this wild thing, where did that part of me go? I need to think about these two songs more with the lyrics in front of my before I go further. I like the ideas on the Lollipop gestapo. I can see it referring to us EWF, even though most of the folks I know that like Tori are rapidly approaching 30 (I will accept any sympathy you wish to send to me). That the exit 79 line is a rape reference is chilling and puts a new spin on the song for me. Can anyone provide more details? And what's up with King Solomon's mines? I don't get that part. sweet dreams and sunny days, Tom > >Well, I've been wanting to discuss Hotel for quite some time. I can't >remember if anything was posted about this, other than: > >1. It references Trent Reznor on the "you were wild, where are you now" >lines, and >2. The last lines about "Exit 75, I'm still alive" references her rape and >Binghamton (never got the connection between the two-- that conversation >escapes me now) > >Anyway, I had a question about the "Lollipop Gestapo". See below for my >questions, comments on lyrics. > >>Met 'em in a hotel >>Met 'em in a hotel >>Beneath ground > >Okay. I suppose this is talking about how she met Trent originally OR how >she ran into him or arranged to >meet him once, in a hotel. > >>tell him he's missing >>tell me this is one for >>Lollipop Gestapo > >So do you think that she's referencing US, her internet EWFs? This is why >I think she is: we overanalyze >EVERYTHING, and we seem to know EVERYTHING about her and who she knows and >how she knows them, etc. >And since most people are pretty young on the internet (save Richard and >MikeWhy, hehe), perhaps she's >referring to our age when she calls us the "Lollipop" gestapo. Like if >Trent stopped recording, the fans on the >internet would start talking about it and looking for him and reporting his > whereabouts and goings-on. >Anyone else agree or disagree on this? > >>give me more >>I have to learn to let you crash down > >This could mean so many different things. And since she sounds like she's >doing a different voice for each line, >it sounds like some kind of banter to me. Is it the EWFs who are saying >"give me more". And Tori tells herself >under her breath that she needs to let herself "crash" after tours, etc.? > >>where are the velvets as you're coming down > >I'm taking this to mean -- I'm picturing him, Trent, walking down a grand >staircase in an old hotel and he's not wearing >his usual "rock star" velvets. Like he's a normal guy. > >Well, those are the only lyrics in the song I ever wonder about. Anyone >else have any thoughts on this? Can't >wait to hear! > >Babe in Toriland, >jen ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #405 *************************************