From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #382 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Saturday, October 31 1998 Volume 03 : Number 382 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Leeza and Rainn and Tori? [bachelorette ] Tori samples HYPERBALLAD two times! [Cruel2000@aol.com] Re: precious-things-digest V3 #381 [Mireya ] Bsides and salmon ["Melanie Rootellis" ] Re: Plugged Shirt.. [Michael Curry ] Evanston, IL. Show 10/29/98 [Freque79@aol.com] Yes..... ["Phillip Garcia" ] Re: while we are discussing Bsides... [Cdfreke@aol.com] Re: Siren and bsides ["Thomas Mazorlig" ] Hot Topic redeemed ["Thomas Mazorlig" ] Madison show Next Wednesday!! ["Helen Pope" ] Merchandise [Ray ] Re: Meet and Greet: Earn it [Marcel Rijs ] Re: while we are discussing Bsides... [anya ] delaware tickets. ["jupiter spazzz" ] yahoo! mag ["jupiter spazzz" ] M&G photos ["shyrrl *" ] a question of tapers/b-sides ["climbing forever" ] Re: Golden Gun [Richard Handal ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:15:42 -0600 From: bachelorette Subject: Leeza and Rainn and Tori? I have an idea. I am an advid Leeza fan and I know she really tries to target women in many of her shows. My point? Get Tori on Leeza. Maybe not to play anything, but to be an advocate for RAINN. I think that if we can write the Leeza show and request this, it's very possible that Tori may be chosen to help out. The Snail Mail Address: LEEZA Paramount TV PO Box 4321 Hollywood, CA 90078 Email Address: Leeza@nbc.com Thanks for reading, ally icq: 10585719 http://altern.org/icicle/bootlegs its not something i feel like bei ng anymore, its nothing i want... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:17:05 EST From: Cruel2000@aol.com Subject: Tori samples HYPERBALLAD two times! Hello! This may have just been me, but I thought that Tori Amos only sampled Bjork's hyperballad once in concert! During Butterfly, Tori sang the chorus from Hyperballad live at Roanoke, VA 10/11/96........ And i thought that was the only time she did it! But.....I was listening to an old bootleg i have...that's of Los Angeles, 6/30/96! And it is REALLY REALLY good, A+ dat quality! It rocks! (although the last two songs are missing..) but anyways, she singles "Butterfly"...and i was so suprised to hear her sing "Hyperballad" at the end!!!!!! Has everyone known she has done it twice? Does anyone care besides me (who's a big Bjork fan)..? hehe....or has she done it alot?? Just a tidbit of info (maybe unwanted..) Thanks, KRIS Cruel2000@aol.com http://members.aol.com/Cruel2000/toritrade.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:50:41 -0800 From: Mireya Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V3 #381 Hey all, sorry if this has been mentioned already, but I thought you might like to see it. Tori is mentioned in the Oct. 30th Entertainment Weekly, in a little article about Hollywood's current fascination with witchcraft. Here's the part that mentions Tori: "What's next? Witchcraft could turn as trendy as kabbalah. Tori Amos, Cybill Shepherd, and Stevie Nicks speak openly about goddesses and mysticism, and while that doesn't qualify them as card-carrying Wiccans, a sign of mainstream acceptance is close at hand. Says Curott, 'Madonna is five minutes away from discovering it'" --Suna Chang That's it. If anyone wants the entire article, let me know. Mireya hisgirl@geocities.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:50:10 -0600 From: "Melanie Rootellis" Subject: Bsides and salmon ok time to put in my 2 cents...I love most all of the Bsides. I generally like them better than the album songs, tho I love them too. I love Daisy Dead Petals so much that I changed my middle name to Daisy because all of my friends know me as Daisy. BTW, my petals arent dead anymore ;) Take to the Sky is so empowering and has so much energy flowing in it! I used that song to get through a very rough patch in my life. I even changed all the words to fit the job I was working at at the time and my co workers liked it so much that they all made me write down the words for them. Maybe I should explain, we were working 18 hr days at a salmon canning factory in the middle of nowhere in Alaska. We had one day off (4th of july) the whole summer. We were tired and cold and wet and miserable and sore. One day everyone in my part of the factory was just standing there working and just sobbing. Some of you know, when you get tired enough, you cry for no other reason than for the fact that you are tired. I would stand at the machiene just singing "the fish house is like Russia..." (everyone had earplugs on so they didnt hear me!). The song was something to hang on to... Daisy Melanie & Lenny Green lgreen@coredcs.com "Faeries wear boots & you gotta believe me I saw what I saw and I tell you no lies" - -Black Sabbath "Remember me? You know, the tomato from upstairs?" - -Seven Year Itch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:13:41 -0500 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Plugged Shirt.. At 06:59 PM 10/28/98 -0500, kytiara wrote: > > "We have worked incredibly hard, and it is a major >disappointment that things have fallen through. We have done >everything in our power to make this happen, and unfortunately >we couldn't get them to be a little more flexible with production >matters," said Scott Merrick, SUBOG Concert Chair and 5th-semester >liberal arts major." > > >Hmmm.... "we couldn't get them to be more flexible.." In my >uneducated opinion, this screams to me, "tori didn't want her show >to be substandard, and that's what it would have been like at >UCONN!" No offense to the ppl who attend that fine institution; >my boyfriend goes there, too. :) But it sounds to me like Tori >found out they suck, and decided she didn't want no sucky shows. Actually, if I remember correctly, the one of the big problems with holding concerts at the Gampel Pavillion at UCONN is that it was designed to be a basketball arena and as a side effect there are problems with the size of equipment that fits down the hall to the main floor and problems with being able to hang a really large number of lighting rigs. I would guess that the "get them to be a little more flexible with production matters" meant "get them to hold a scaled down version of the show because our facility can't handle the full version." Mike precious-things co-owner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 03:58:31 EST From: Freque79@aol.com Subject: Evanston, IL. Show 10/29/98 Whoa. Well I can't say I was particularly pleased with the Unbelievable Truth. They were alright, but... I couldn't really pay attention to them. They didn't seem to be very excited to be there either. After they got done, I had plenty of time to kill, and I spotted Joel down by the barriers close to the stage. I told my friend Justin, who was with me, that I thought it would be cool to get his signature on my ticket stub, since I didn't get there early enough to get to Tori. So I went down there to talk to Joel. I asked him if I could have his autograph but he declined. Evidently, he doesn't do autographs. I tried to persuade him, but to no avail. But he did strike up a conversation, which was cool. And he squeezed my hand and held onto it for a minute while we were talking. It was neat. He asked if I was from Northwestern, and I told him, no, I was from NIU, and he asked if this was my last show, and so I told him I was going to Madison also. He told me to come to Eau Claire, but I can't... I told him that the final show in East Lansing was on my birthday, and I was disappointed that I couldn't get to that one. He seemed to share my disappointment (he's so nice!) and told me that yesterday was his birthday. So I said Happy Birthday and asked him how old he was. "I'm VERY old." Haha.. So anyway, then I told him I would see him in Madison, because I wanted him to give something to Tori for me, and I didn't think it was wise to attempt a pre-show thing with all the people. His eyes got this wide >--------------------------------< and he agreed that there were hordes of people and they were getting mean. But he said he would be plenty happy to pass something on to Tori for me, and so I said I'd see him then, and to say hi to Tori from Mairie for me... I went back to my seat, and talked to the girls in front of me, who were recording the concert, and they pointed out where Mikewhy was for me. (Awesome seats Mike, you lucky duck!) I don't know what the girl's name was, unfortunately. Time passed, and at a little after 9, Tori came on, wearing a cute lil devil outfit. She had on black shirt and pants, with a red vest, red devil horns, and a red feather boa. It was so cute! And Caton was wearing a cool black hat in addition to his usual all black outfit. 1. Precious Things - Awesome, as always. She did the crotch grab during the extra long "giiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrllllllll." 2. Graveyard - Played solo with piano while the guys adjusted their instruments. It was so pretty. I haven't heard it in a while. Such a sweet song. 3. Past the Mission - I've never heard this live or with a band before, and it was very strange. I liked it, but it was definitely weird. Her boa fell off during the song. And then she took the horns off too. 4. iieee - did a little dance while the guys opened the song. Rubbed/held her tummy during "sacrifice" part. You could tell they played some recorded "iieeeees." And she said "You took my little girl" during the "I know you understand" part that she always does live. Does she always say "you took my little girl"? Then she said "hello, how's it going? We love coming to Chicago. But we have to leave tomorrow... We get bored and stuff sometimes. And you know if you want... Come find me." Then she introduced her brothers. Called Matt a creature. :] 5. Father Lucifer - Wow, I was so surprised! It was very cool. She added extra words, which I couldn't understand. Anyone know? 6. Hotel - I finally got to hear it live. It was cool. Different, but I think I liked it. Caton danced a lot. 7. The Doughnut Song - Has she played this before on the tour? It was incredibly with the band. I loved it. So alive. "So the guys go off and leave.... A lot has happened since we last were in Chicago. I've been playing this next song a lot for that boy in Wyoming. Wherever he is, this is for him." 8. (solo) Merman - The first time I've heard it anywhere other than my computer's junkie speakers. I'm in love with this song. I cried. 9. Twinkle - Never been one of my favorite songs, but it was definitely cool when she played it. And the lights were all on her like stars. Pretty. :] Guys come back. 10. Sugar - Rockin' as usual. I like the "You're just a pussy my sweet boy" line. I can't remember if she did that in Milwaukee or the last Chicago show... 11. Black-Dove (January) - Caton danced BIG TIME. And Tori sorta humped the piano at the "the snakes they are my kin" line. 12. Tear In Your Hand - One of my favorite LE-era songs. Not a favorite with the band though. 13. The Waitress - I knew it was coming, cause she'd played so many songs, and I figured it would be the last one before the encores, and I was right. She had a bright white light aimed at her crotch during the song. Ha. And there was a part when Tori was just playing piano and Caton was playing guitar, and they were standing up and facing each other and it almost seemed like they were playing to each other or dueling or something. Then they all gathered at the front and hugged, bowed, and skipped off the stage. Encore 1: The guys come out first, and Tori dances and shimmies to the music out to her piano. 14. She's Your Cocaine - Standard Crotch grab. A couple of people were still standing up and blocking the view of the people next to me. (I was in section 203, so we didn't all stand through the show like most of the people on the floor did). During the part where she sings "sh sh sh sh sh SHAKE" she added the line "get the fuck outta me." 15. Raspberry Swirl - Awesome lights, but surprisingly, not a lot of people dancing. The girl in front of me stood up, so I had to in order to have any sort of view of the stage. So I just danced. I felt like people were looking at me funny cause I was dancing by myself. Oh Well. They leave. Encore 2: Then after a few minutes, Tori comes out carrying this ENORMOUS basketball shoe. Huge. Then she takes one of her shoes off, and steps into the other one and tries to walk to the piano, but she had to drag the shoe. She sits down and tells us that her dressing room in in the boys' locker room, and so there's lots of stuff like that around that she's been getting into. She said this shoe was mind-boggling. And she said she was leaving little presents for the basketball players in there. :] 16. Frog On My Toe - the band hadn't come out yet. I hadn't heard this in a long time. It's such a cute song. :] The boys come out again 17. Northern Lad - this song always makes me cry when she plays it live... *sigh* After the show, I wandered around and saw Mikewhy. It was cool to meet him. It was nice to meet ya Mike. :] I was the chick with the black and white striped tights and red hair. That's probably the only way anyone will remember me. :] And that was it. Now I just have to wait for Madison, when I'm sure I'll cry a lot, because it will be my last show of the tour. Mairie http://members.tripod.com/~raspberryswirl/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:31:18 PST From: "Phillip Garcia" Subject: Yes..... Hi, Does anyone else think that tori is going to play Yes, Anastasia as the last song of the tour? I think that would be the perfect song to end it. Or is she going to leave the song alone? phillipg ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:52:12 EST From: Cdfreke@aol.com Subject: Re: while we are discussing Bsides... << Hi all. I'm new here and these are my favorite Bsides: Flying Dutchman, Mary, Daisy Dead Petals, and Black Swan. My favorite covers: Landslide, Wrapped Around Your Finger, and Famous Blue Raincoat. >> No way someone else likes Black Swan that is my alltime fav. B-side because it is simplistic and beautiful i forgot to mention Merman my second love of a b-side I wanna heard Landslide if anyone knows where i can get a copy ( mp3, wav or RA ) please tell me another good cover is If 6 was 9 and also Strange Fruit ( doesn't she sound like the lead vocalist for Portishead on that one ) faery hugs matt the merman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:49:38 PST From: "Thomas Mazorlig" Subject: Re: Siren and bsides This is in response to the question about the "vanilla" line. >From: Kelley Harrell >Subject: Re: Siren and the B-sides > >i think she is referring to a relaitonship or love that is not passionate... it >is a bland relationship, no spark... it's just plain old vanilla... > OK. This may be totally off the wall, but, since the rest of the song seems to be about Tori's miscarriage, I was wondering if the baby was going to be named Vanilla. It would fit the lyrics and it was the first thing I thought of, but then again, I'm strange. Just my $0.02 Tom the snakes they are my kin PS--- To whomever posted the Siren lyrics, thanks. What a great song. I'll have to get Great Expectations now. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:56:13 PST From: "Thomas Mazorlig" Subject: Hot Topic redeemed Hi there, A while back, someone was talking about not liking the Hot Topic chain of stores. I mostly agree that it's an icky place. Last night, I found a reason to like it. I was shopping for boots and went into my local HT (in Monmouth Mall, Eatontown, NJ, for the curious) to check out the Dr. Martens. I notcied that they had started stocking CD's. I browsed a bit and found the Tori section. Surprise! They had a great selection of her CD singles. I now have the Spark with Cooling, the Winter CD, and Hey Jupiter. Yea! They had some others too, God, SATY, Voodoo, and more. I was pretty impressed. Then while I was int line, one of the employees and I started to talk about Tori. The woman was awesome and we had a nice Tori chat. So, in my mind, Hot Topic is somewhat redeemed. fair winds and blue skies, Tom "the snakes they are my kin" PS--- from the limited number of bsides I've heard (I only own 5 of the singles), I'd have to say Honey if my fave, but Never Seen Blue is great, too. It's hard to choose. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:24:52 PST From: "Helen Pope" Subject: Madison show Next Wednesday!! Hello Everyone... I haven't posted in a really long time (since the summer). Anyway, I have been catching up on precious things this week after a few weeks of craziness. I am wondering if any other preciouthings style ears with feet are going to the show next Wednesday. I hope so! It promises to rock. I moved to Madison from Columbia SC this summer. Reading Heather's review of the Columbia show at the intimate Township Auditorium gave me chills. It reminded me of seeing Tori there on the Dew Drop Inn tour. Anyway, I am just happy that Tori is coming back to Wisconsin, I wasn't here when she started the tour and I moved from SC before she played there. I haven't been to the venue here. Does anyone know anything about it? As far as b-sides go... I have to vote for London Girls and Frog on my toe.Though that changes every day. Just like my "favorite" song or even album. (I am in quite a silly mood today).No not silly just excited about seeing Tori perform in five days!! faerie kisses, Carmen ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:48:59 +0000 From: Ray Subject: Merchandise I forget who it was but someone asked about links to sites that sell Tori stuff... well, here are some of the ones that I reccomend! H.E.R.E. -- http://www.isource.net/~kyle/html/k-frame.htm [miscellaneous] I'm in the process of placing my first order with this site. They have a nice selection of stuff like postcards, posters, and stickers. Weathermen -- http://www.theweathermen.com/ [videos] I've made an order from this site before. He sells copies of Tori videos made from ones that he owns such as MTV Unplugged and the Virgin Megastore Video. You have to email him to ask for a listing of these... they are not on the site. Other than that, they have pretty much the same stuff you'd find anywhere. Service/Shipping: EXCELLENT. One of the videos that I got was a little messed up on the audio track, but he replaced it within 5 days (free of charge), so I wouldn't let that worry me. bang! Imports -- http://www.cybercom.net/~lennys/ [import CDR's] I'm also in the process of making my first order here, but so far response to email is prompt and they have a good selection of import albums on CDR. Hope this helps! - -Ray "Years go by will I still be waiting for somebody else to understand?" -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:19:07 +0100 From: Marcel Rijs Subject: Re: Meet and Greet: Earn it Hi, Re: the "meetandgreet" debate: I think a great point has been made. Since the BFP tour I have started to notice a few regulars at these M&G's, and this year almost half of all the people present weren't even Dutch. Living in Europe is not always an advantage (note the almost obscene difference between the length of the US & Rest of the World tours), but M&G's are, if I have to believe the reports, much more relaxed here. And still, a touch of hysteria could be found after her only(!) Dutch concert this year. I am not naming anyone (I guess you will all know who you are and I'm not out to humiliate anyone) but Tori was confonted with a group of people who had followed her from the beginning of the tour. The funny thing is: she didn't make time for them, they _took_ her time, talking to her almost endlessly and holding her up to a point where some of us were thinking, 'geez, isn't this a bit too much??'. The rest of us, well, sure, we made a few pictures and even handed out gifts, but it all went very quickly and smoothly, just the way Joel wants it. (I like (and understand) him more than I did at first, but subconsciously I still describe him as an ogre. Ain't that silly?) It astounded me, that Tori said "thanks, I love you" to one of the guys, you know, _as people sometimes do_, and that he was convinced that She Loved Him afterward. Where's the sense of reality? I wonder, BTW, just out of curiosity: how does one pay to follow an artist around for months on end? Can someone explain this to me? I have to work at least a day to pay for one day of Tori (counting travel costs, concert tickets et al.) but these people travel around Europe and the US as if it's free! HOW DO YOU DO THIS? This is what I would really like to know. During that M&G some of us jokingly conspired that only local people should be allowed at M&G's. E.g. Dutch people at Dutch dates, Texas people at Texas dates, etc. But given the things happening already, this is of course unlikely at best. So why not at least give the locals more space? I'm sure that traveling a long way for an artist makes you think that you need to be rewarded, but _nobody forces you to travel a long way for someone_! Maybe this doesn't make any sense to anyone. But I'd really like to hear from some of those people who follow(ed) her for many dates. Especially on HOW DO YOU PAY FOR IT?? It really intrigues me. And, for the record, I think first-timers should get priority. The way I see it, the first time is always the best time, and it's an experience we, as 'experienced' M&G-ers should grant everyone. I just hope that we will all keep seeing Tori as "just another human being", not as a deity. Because that's ridiculous. Trust me, Tori does not love all of her fans. She just has a good way of not showing it. Kind regards, Marcel Rijs marcel@kimwilde.com http://www.kimwilde.com Opened October 9th, 1998! 1500+ visitors up until now... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:08:05 -0600 From: anya Subject: Re: while we are discussing Bsides... my favourite is 'she's leaving home,' a beatles song. speaking of beatles songs.. i think tori should cover 'hey jude.' that would be a perfect tori cover.. i wonder why she hasn't done it? At 08:52 PM 10/28/98 -0500, Lacy wrote: > > >Ohhh..Covers. I didnt think of that one! I have to say >"Landslide" is up there as a fave right now, along with A >Case of You. I have never heard Famous Blue Raincoat >though....who did it originally? > >Lacy > > since we broke up i'm using lipstick again http://www.ecstasia.org http://red.ecstasia.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:35:20 PST From: "jupiter spazzz" Subject: delaware tickets. ill follow the example of another and ask if anyone has a ticket for lil ol me. i want ot go and want to try and get the best possible without having to go through ticketmonster. ick. let me know, e.liz.a.beth. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:32:45 PST From: "jupiter spazzz" Subject: yahoo! mag my mom was at the salon (ooh) today and was looking through the mags.. and found tori mentioned in a yahoo magazine that focused on music. it was how when ftcgh came out, there was a song that you could find only on the net. mom: "what was the song called again? memorization?" me: "try merman." mom: "...no....i had thoughts about school. it must have been memorization." :P. i wish i could tell you more about it, but i didnt see it myself. she also said there was a pic of tori. lettin yall know, e.liz.a.beth. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:09:55 PST From: "shyrrl *" Subject: M&G photos Hey everyone.. just wanted to let yall know that I put up my pics of the San Antonio and Houston M&G on my webpage. The SA ones are in black and white unfortunatly, since i THOUGHT i had color film but obviously didnt, but the Houston ones are in color. My webpage is http://www.angelfire.com/tx/shyrrl/tori.html Also, Im still looking for a San Antonio and Austin boot, so if anyone has anything, no matter HOW crappy, Ill be willing to set up a trade or cash or whatever.. the SA one meant alot to me.. thanks jenn "I say the world is sick, you say tell me what that makes us darlin. You see you always find my faults faster than you find your own. You say the world is gettin rid of of her demons, i say baby what have you been smokin..." http://www.angelfire.com/tx/shyrrl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:22:36 PST From: "climbing forever" Subject: a question of tapers/b-sides hello I've a favor to ask of anyone planning to tape the Rochester show on Nov 12...if you've got tape for it, if you could also tape Unbelievable Truth's set (the opening act), I would love to trade for a copy of both their's and Tori's set (or, for that matter, if anyone going to any of the upcoming shows would be willing to do this, I'd really appreciate it)..if anyone can do this for me, I'd appreciate it more than I can say and on the subject of b-sides, I'd have to say my favorites are Purple People (the line "a restaurant that never has to close/breakfast every hour/it could save the world" is one of my favorites of any song by anyone), Here. In My Head, Graveyard, Bachelorette, and Flying Dutchman...(album songs would be Yes, Anastasia, Pretty Good Year, Cruel, Raspberry Swirl, and by absolute favorite, Hey Jupiter)..and I'm really excited because I just placed an order for both Past The Mission UK singles...Here. In My Head and Flying Dutchman on cd! whee! and the live version of Icicle is amazing that's it from me take care james ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:11:28 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Meet and Greet: Earn it Marcel Rijs said many things, including: > I'm sure that traveling a long way for an artist makes you think that > you need to be rewarded, but _nobody forces you to travel a long way for > someone_! As someone who went from the Washington, D.C. area to the U.K. for six shows in May, and who has also gone to distant cities in the North America to see shows on this tour as well as the last, I want to say clearly for the record, and in no uncertain terms, that I feel absolutely that Tori owes me nothing in any way, shape or form, as any form of recompense or appreciation for my having been so moved, nor for any *other* reason. Further, I have tried to do anything I can think of to express to her my support in the endeavor of this album, band, and tour, and I have no intention of publicly going into details as to how I've done that, nor as to how she's expressed her appreciation in return. I owe no one any explanation as to any of my actions on this tour and intend not to be providing any. And finally, I resent the implication of this assumption on the part of Marcel. Apparently *he* would feel that way. I don't, and I never would. One thing on which I *do* agree with Marcel. I wish *everyone* could meet Tori just to discover how human she really is. The folks who just hand her something for an autograph and don't talk with her are missing the boat. I find it disturbing that someone would try yet again to turn the discussion here to the topic of individuals other than Tori Amos. Human nature, I guess. Perhaps I'm goofy to think that we as a group could rise above that level. How disappointing. Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:15:24 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Handal Subject: Re: Golden Gun Erin Martin said: > Hi! Hi, Erin. :-) > I was going through some copies of interviews that were emailed to me > and I found this reference to the much-discussed "man with the golden > gun" lyric, which, imho, confirms that this man is God. This article is > from Hot Press, Feb. 23, 1994. Tori says: "The idea that God is > sexless is a brilliant form of control because it means we can never be > in the image of Gun unless we're sexless too." I assume the article > I've received is accurate and that's no typo or anything. I just checked my hard copy of this magazine and it is indeed a typo. "Gun" there was really "God." I have to thank Erin for pointing this out. The electronic copy I had of this article--and have sent out in email myself many times because it's *the* best article I know of on multiple fronts--also had this typo. I really tried to clean it up a long time ago, too. Of course, the word "Gun" doesn't get stopped by spell-check. Anyhow, here's a relevant exchange with Tori from the interview conducted by J.D. Considine for the January 30, 1994, Baltimore Sun interview article-- SUN: One thing being oppressed teaches you is how to oppress others. TORI: Yes. It's been -- again, it's the victims become the abusers, it's that whole -- which is explored in "Waitress," too, where I become the one who wants to slice this person's head off. But the thing is, it's been, it's so disappointing for me when I feel betrayed by another woman. So "Cornflake Girl" is that disappointment. "This is not really happening, you bet your life it is. Never was a cornflake girl, thought that was a good solution." Cornflake being white bread, closed. "Hanging with the raisin girls," you know, whole wheat, multicultural, open, a little more going on. "She's gone to the other side, giving us the yo heave ho. Things are getting kind of gross." I think that's clear. "And I go at sleepytime, this is not really happening. You bet your life it is." The second verse, it just supports that whole thing. "Rabbit, where'd you put the keys, girl?" Rabbit, in certain Indian traditions, it represents fear. "Rabbit, where'd you put the keys, girl? And the man with the golden gun thinks he knows so much." Well, those are my God references again. So, there is another reference to the golden gun line. Back to the "pigs" address, Erin? :-) Be seeing you, Richard Handal, H.G. ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #382 *************************************