From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #259 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Monday, July 20 1998 Volume 03 : Number 259 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Has anyone seen......? [Natesgirl1@aol.com] Time sensitive TORI question!! [MLP5549@aol.com] Re: 2 in one [Glitergul@aol.com] (no subject) [ToriBoi@aol.com] Jackie's Strength single... ["Giovanni" ] Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel Articles [Katie Meeker ] Tori's Reading List [Mac456789@aol.com] ToRi advice [Mtgndry@aol.com] Hello Toronto concert goers!!! [Matthew Skillings ] fanatic show ["Ryan -" ] toronto show... [kelly matton ] Re: Tori book [Jennifer Monacelli ] Jackie's Strength [shirleeh@juno.com (Miss Taci)] Re: milw vs minn [roller girl ] I died in Ames ;) [roller girl ] Who'se Neil [BHaak3@aol.com] Oklahoma Tori concert ["Ryan -" ] Re: precious-things-digest V3 #258 [GLWNGFMNST@aol.com] names names everywhere [Bobdel123@aol.com] names names everywhere II [Bobdel123@aol.com] The Greatest Interview EVER... [brainbir@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Ben)] Re: Who'se Neil [PoetGrrlAC@aol.com] Re: names names everywhere II [PoetGrrlAC@aol.com] Re: names names everywhere (Marianne) [BlueGirl88@aol.com] phantom center? [Bobdel123@aol.com] Re: names names everywhere [PoetGrrlAC@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:02:59 EDT From: Natesgirl1@aol.com Subject: Has anyone seen......? Has anyone seen the Jackie's Strength video in the US or the Raspberry Swirl one? I would be really interested in seeing these. Thanks, Kim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:34:48 EDT From: MLP5549@aol.com Subject: Time sensitive TORI question!! Sorry! What time are the tickets going on sale tomorrow for the 19 Sep show in San Jose? Please let me know quickly!! Thank you, sorry! Love, Elisabeth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:37:14 EDT From: Glitergul@aol.com Subject: Re: 2 in one <> <> hello...that was matt walker. <> this interviewer is an idiot. sorry if that offends anyone...its just...well...you know. dust to dust remi glitergul@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:14:59 EDT From: ToriBoi@aol.com Subject: (no subject) Most of you know, I've been running the following polls for the last month or so... I do these because 1) i really enjoy seeing the results, it's like a hobby, and 2) next time i see Tori (meet and greet or backstage,etc.), i plan to give the results to her, just for fun, to kind of let her in on what we're talking about and what our opinions are... I'm running the following two polls, and it's NOT too late to vote: 1) what song/songs would you like to see Tori add to her set list for the Plugged 98 tour with the band? 2) what's your favorite Tori B Side / Rarity?? published songs only! here are the results so far: RESULTS AS OF July 13, 1998 1:05 am SONGS WE WANT TO SEE TORI ADD TO HER SETS: 1. Hotel 2. Siren 3. Mary 4. Yes, Anastasia 5. Flying Dutchman 6. Father Lucifer 7. Talula 8. Caught A Lite Sneeze 9. Frog On My Toe 10. In The Springtime Of His Voodoo OUR FAVORITE B SIDES / RARIETIES 1. Here In My Head 2. Cooling 3. Frog On My Toe 4. Honey 5. Take To The Sky 6. Purple People 7. Famous Blue Raincoat 8. Upside Down 9. Flying Dutchman 10. Butterfly EMAIL ALL VOTES TO : ToriBoi@aol.com Joey ToriBoi@aol.com "i'm trying not to move, it's just your ghost passing through.." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:55:16 -0500 From: "Giovanni" Subject: Jackie's Strength single... Hey, I was just browsing Music Boulevard's ( http://musicblvd.com/ ) Tori catalog and they have listed 2 new UK singles for Jackie's Strength to be released on 11/08/98 and 14/08/98. 2 different dates? And wasn't it supposed to be on 3/08/98? Jeez, I hate delays. CD Universe also lists the same info... but Siren CD (http://www.sirencd.com/ ) now says that Rapsberry Swirl has replaced Jackie's Strength (nothing new, of course) but it says that they will be released on August 3rd. So all this is kind of dizzying! I personally want to see Jackie's Strength released first because: 1) I love the song... and the video rules. 2) I prefer more b-sides (Merman! and something new...) to just remixes (even though I do like them and would buy them). 3) I don't really think Rapsberry Swirl is commercial at all. I would love to see the following songs being released as singles (I will include Spark just to have an order): 1) Spark (everywhere) 2) Jackie's Strength (everywhere) 3) Playboy Mommy (everywhere) 4) i i e e e (everywhere) 5) Cruel (everywhere) 6) Liquid Diamonds (UK only, in case they choose to release only 5 singles in the US) But I would be happy with any release from the album... I am kind like that. :) The only problem would be getting them... . Well, that's all folks! Giovanni ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:10:08 -0700 From: Katie Meeker Subject: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel Articles I didn't notice anyone transcribe these, so I thought that I would give it a go...the first article appeared in the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel on the day of the concert (July 15, 1998) and the second article appeared after the concert (July 16, 1998)...both articles were written by the same journalist (Rob Elder) and this person seems to know his background pretty well...anyway, here goes... Tori Amos' tour, latest album display singer's new sound (by Rob Elder of the Journal Sentinel staff on July 15, 1998) One spotlight. A woman and her piano. Singer-songwriter Tori Amos' formula of simple, honest songs soaked in mythological metaphors has earned her a huge, almost religiously loyal fan base. But with her new album, "From the Choirgirl Hotel," Amos is playing with a full band for the first time. Amos opens her new tour, "Plugged '98," at the Milwaukee Auditorium tonight. Her new sound and stage performance are a step away from her soloist roots, and she's hoping her fans will make the move with her. "People can expect a lot of confusion at the first show," Amos said in a phone interview last week. "Hopefully, they'll be able to buckle their seat belts and not get traffic tickets." In conversation, Amos is polite and measurably reflective. Long pauses linger in the spaces between question and answer, and she often restarts her opening sentence. It is perhaps this wandering, sometimes eccentric, approach to press interviews that has caused some critics to paint her as an "insipid Tinker Bell character," or, more cruelly, "a 24-carat fruit loop." Despite how the press casts her, Amos is a well-respected, piano-playing rock goddess. Rolling Stone writer Steven Daly recently called her "the Anne Rice of Rock Music," although she doesn't agree with that description either. "It was the writer's sound bite, and that was his right. The similarities are that she goes after the dark side of people and I expore getting along with the dark side. There's so much richness in the dark side." "From the Choirgirl Hotel," her fourth solo album, exploits that dark side, mixing themes of sexuality, faith, loss and sacrifice into what is musically her most innovative record to date. Although the compositions are still piano-based, they lean on pulsing, polyrhythmic electronica and full band arrangements. "Choirgirl" is also perhaps her most personal and introspective album. The first single, "Spark," explores the trauma of a recent miscarriage, while the harrowing "Jackie's Strength" asks for courage during her wedding day. (Amos married her longtime engineer Mark Hawley in February.) The daughter of a Methodist minister, Amos is on a mission to expose Christianity's underbelly. She believes that women too often are made scapegoats and treated like spiritual second-class citizens in the church. "Mary Magdalene is really someone who has made the church very uncomfortable," Amos said. "That is why you have two Marys in the Bible: one that is very sexual, and one that is virtuous and spiritual, cut off from her sexuality. "In doing so, they take away all her wisdom. So instead of people having to align with one or the other, the Marys need to become married--joined together." Sex and religion are not strange bedfellows for amos. "I'm always trying to bring the two together--sexuality and spirituality--to hold them together at the same time," Amos said. Amos has always been obsessed with the mythical and metaphysical. Her songbook is populated with Oz-like characters, where she hangs out "with the Dream King" and "Judy Garland takes Buddha by the hand." "When I'm writing, a lot of these characters show up. People you know and run into are a portion of those characters," Amos said. ************************************* Amos a study in complexity >From hush to frenzy, she hypnotizes her fans (by Rob Elder of the Journal Sentinel staff on July 16, 1998) "Talking about music is like dancing about architecture," someone once said. This being true, writing about music is even tougher. Especially when describing Tori Amos' performance Wednesday night at the Auditorium. Opening with "Precious Things," from her debut album, "Little Earthquakes," Amos and band launched into what would be an almost two-hour set. Following with "iieee," she broke off the last half of the song into a powerful, swirling piano solo that cut through the mist-filled auditorium. Remaining seated for the entire performance, Amos rotated back and forth between her piano and a synthesizer. Amos' stage presence is marked by her inability to sit still in front of the piano, rising and gyrating. Her breathy, passionate delivery of lyrics and seduction of the microphone are as hypnotic as a snake charmer in front of a cobra. The only difference is Amos' almost religiously loyal fans are less likely to attack her--or break from her spell. Strangely, the first half of Amos' set was heavily saturated with her early material--an odd choice for someone whose new album, "From the Choirgirl Hotel," has rejuvenated her career and refreshed her songbook. Not that the crowd cared much. They went wild just when she sat down. Touring with a full band for the first time in four albums, Amos seemed content to share the spotlight. Just returning from Europe, Wednesday night was the first date of Amos' American tour. With what little time she had to prepare, her performance was complex and impressive as she integrated her new and old material into band arrangements. The ensemble fit well together and kept Amos from wandering too far on improvisational romps, something that plagued her last tour. Although notoriously chatty on stage (and charmingly so), Amos was quiet for most of the concert--putting her energy into the new set. Surprises of the evening included a gentle, pulsing rendition of "Honey," a B-side from her "Under the Pink" sessions. "Space Dog" also made an appearance, although much revamped with a metal-riffed face lift. The best performances of the evening were the seductive, dark "Cruel" and "Jackie's Strength," a song in which she asks for Jackie Kennedy Onassis' courage on her wedding day. Bubbles poured out of the stage during "Spark" as members of the crowd leaned over the barrier to grab them. Amos also took some time to play without her band and return to her roots with the song "China." Unwilling to leave, the crowd was awarded with several encores, which included a techno-styled "Raspberry Swirl" and "She's Your Cocaine." ****************************** that's it for right now...I may eventually post my own thoughts on this show...if anyone out there booted this concert, I would REALLY like a copy... Katie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:19:16 EDT From: Mac456789@aol.com Subject: Tori's Reading List Hi Does anyone remember Tori's recommended reading list, from the live chat on Yahoo. I thought I had saved it onto my computer, but I guess not. Would anyone be able to give me a copy, or tell me where I could find it. thanks. s ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:33:57 EDT From: Mtgndry@aol.com Subject: ToRi advice HuLLo there i'm gonna buy some ToRi singLes (reguLar reLease & imports) sometime in the near future & i need some hints from ToRi addicts ;O) i'd Like to know which ones are rare b/c i'd Like ta try getting those first. anyone who has suggestions pLease emaiL me privateLy. peace >>juLes ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:59:36 -0700 From: Matthew Skillings Subject: Hello Toronto concert goers!!! Well here I am not under a week from the concert on the 25th. And I'm still trying to find some people to sort of just hang with pre/post show. I'm kind of a first time concert goer, and I'll be in a strange city for the most part. I'm mostly worried about walking back too catch my bus/train after the show. So if there is anybody who may be going by themself as well, and might like some company during the day, you know while waiting for the meet and greet, and too help make the dark streets seem less ominous after the show. Or perhaps you already got a group assembled and don't mind an extra coming along. Well I'd just appreciate it if anybody could at least point me in the right direction. Oh btw I did not leave this too the last minute. I posted about this too rmt-a about a week ago, and I got one wonderful response. But since then the contact person I had with that group hasn't responded too my posts and email. Maybe they just don't know anything and that's why I haven't heard back, but just in case the communication has been cut. I'm hoping too find some other people. Matt - -- Matthew Skillings eternity@golden.net http://www.golden.net/~eternity/ "you gave him your blood and your warm little diamond" - Tori Amos (Blood Roses) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:00:12 PDT From: "Ryan -" Subject: fanatic show I was wondering if anyone has the number of Jeff at the MTV fanatic show. I lost it and he had called back. Thank you. ryan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:38:15 GMT From: kelly matton Subject: toronto show... hi, i'm just wondering if anyone here is going to the toronto show on the 25? how far ahead of time should we get there to try and meet tori? with the dew drop in we were there about 2 hours ahead and she didn't come out. any suggestions? kelly *************************************** kelly matton kmatton@aracnet.net *************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:53:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Monacelli Subject: Re: Tori book Do you guys know about book for Tori? - -Jen _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:53:51 PDT From: shirleeh@juno.com (Miss Taci) Subject: Jackie's Strength Greetings all.... I was just reading the post about the "Jackie's Strength" video {Thank you Giovanni for describing it for those of us who haven't seen it yet.} and I remembered something one of my clients was telling me about Jackie O last week. He read some book, I think he said it was written by President Kennedy's mother, Rose. Anyway, in this book, she talks about Jackie, and how her marriage to the President was more one of convenience than love; she was good "stock" and would bear children worthy of the Kennedy name. He also spoke of the President's bachelor party, where he took off for days on a yacht filled with women, and of his affair with Marilyn Monroe. It was interesting to talk about this, because I never knew too much about the whole Camelot thing. Maybe this ties into the video and the idea of the song, the whole notion of a woman who took so much and retained her dignity, poise, and strength. ~~taci~ The Introverted Candlewoman http://members.xoom.com/Candlewoman ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ "I lost my head, it wasn't in its basket" -Lisa Germano ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ ^v^ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:32:35 -0500 From: roller girl Subject: Re: milw vs minn totally! after hearing the club show boots and hearing people complain, i was prepared for riot, but i was really impressed, at each show, the crowd was just amazing, they actually LISTENED - it was very nice, and i hope that it stays like this the rest of the tour. ;) .ally. At 10:33 AM 7/18/98 -0500, you wrote: >And to all who attended the Minn show: THANKS for helping to be a great >audience! > we nego t iate with c h a o s for some sense of satisfaction ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:10:47 -0500 From: roller girl Subject: I died in Ames ;) set list: Black Dove Cruel Space Dog Honey Cornflake Girl iieee Caught A Lite Sneeze Butterfly Silent All These Years Northern Lad Precious Things Spark The Waitress encore 1 Little Amsterdam Raspberry Swirl encore 2 sister Janet Song for Eric I got the show taped! and it sounds wonderful! yay! so, uhm, me, mel and kt got there for meet and greet around 3 and she greeted around 4 - 4:15, she had on the cutest outfit - cut off overalls, and a little white shirt with different colored things on it. She asked some of the gang if they had Siren so the band could practice it, and she also played butterfly by request (she marked a"b" on her hand as a reminder). i'm getting my pics back tomorrow, so i will have them all scaned and stuff (: i also got my lyric book signed and the customary pics. (: black dove - sounded really good, her voice was just amazing cruel - watch caton do the teen dance usa moves once more space dog - the lights were sorta trippy honey - before this she talked about how she never puts her favorite songs on the albums, and someone screams "angie" and she's like "NOPE" hahaha, it was really funny ;) cornflake girl - the same intro as mpls "you bet your life it is..." iieee - she just belted this one out caught a lite sneeze - so i had a dream of her playing this with a band a few weeks ago, and i was totally blown away by this one, sounds so awesome. butterfly - really beautiful, this is one of my favorites period silent all these years - she seemed to play it really slow, but it was gorgeous northern lad - she went to town on this one, her voice - i just can't get over how strong its gotten since last tour (the last minute got cut on my tape) precious things - the lights were amazing, and she really likes playing this one spark - i feel bad saying this, but spark just isn't one of my favorites, it sounds really good tho waitress - she did the "hang ten, hang ten honey..." thing really long this time little amsterdam - its so good with the band!! raspberry swirl - a total cosmic orgasm sister janet / song for eric - totally unexpected, totally awesome - i love going to a show where she plays rarities like this ;) all and all, i can't choose between which show i've liked better so far, they were both so special in their different ways (but ames was worth the drive... and getting lost in ackley....). i won't have a chance to see her until the kansas city show, but i really want to do some trades - i really really really want the minneapolis show if anyone got it ;) thanks, etc etc (: .ally. we nego t iate with c h a o s for some sense of satisfaction ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:49:51 EDT From: BHaak3@aol.com Subject: Who'se Neil I've been wondering for some time now who Neil is. (Parden my ignorance, if this is a blatently obvious tori fact.) But Tori refers to "Neil" in a couple of songs. Ex. "Me and Neil will be hanging out with the Dream Team." Thanks! Brenda ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 16:49:38 PDT From: "Ryan -" Subject: Oklahoma Tori concert I'll be at the Tori show in OK on August 29th and I was hoping to meet some other people who will be there. My name is Ryan. Email me if you'd like. I hope to hear from you. Here's a pic(striped shirt guy): ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:06:29 EDT From: GLWNGFMNST@aol.com Subject: Re: precious-things-digest V3 #258 Could somebody fill me in about these Meet and Greet deals? What are they? How do you get into them? How did you find out about them? Also, any new information about the Jackies Strangth and Raspberry Swirl videos? Premere dates and time would be wonderful since I haven't even caught the Spark video yet. ANy info would be extremely wonderful....Thanks Sadrah ******Faerie kisses to all***** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:05:40 EDT From: Bobdel123@aol.com Subject: names names everywhere okay this may be really stupid of me but i thought well i might as well ask. who are these people: mr.st. john marianne bobby hiedi does anyone have any clue who these people are. i'm really interested in boby because he is used quite frequently in tori songs and my name is also bobby. the others are ones i would like to know also. can anyone please help me with this. it would be gretly apprecited. and also i am interested in anyone's interpreation of bells for her it is a greatly confusing song it would be also greatly apprecited. thank you. Bob never going back again to crucify myself ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:08:10 EDT From: Bobdel123@aol.com Subject: names names everywhere II i forgot two names sorry guys could anyone also tell me who bill and ben are and also who is beene i have heard of him so much but have no idea who he is. thanks. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:32:05 +1000 (EST) From: brainbir@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Ben) Subject: The Greatest Interview EVER... Hi my name is Ben and I live here in Australia. The J Files interview was the best interview EVER. It was indeed a top effort to transcribe the whole interview but if you listened to it , it was the long silences that unsettled poor Richard Kingsmill. There was a pause of 30 seconds at one stage while Richard struggled through his list of questions. If people want I will list the tracks played on the J-Files (The J Files being wonderfully definitive). Also did people get the whole Q interview cos I am new to this list and I have that interview if anyone wants it or it didn't get put up. Just one question. Does anyone know the story behind "Baltimore" the first thing Myra Ellen Amos (As she was known then) released? Was it a contest song or anything like that? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:12:02 EDT From: PoetGrrlAC@aol.com Subject: Re: Who'se Neil In a message dated 7/19/98 6:39:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BHaak3@aol.com writes: << I've been wondering for some time now who Neil is. (Parden my ignorance, if this is a blatently obvious tori fact.) But Tori refers to "Neil" in a couple of songs. Ex. "Me and Neil will be hanging out with the Dream Team." >> the lyric goes: "me and neil will be hanging out with the dream king", simple mistake, don't worry. :) the neil she is referring to is neil gaiman, creator/author/illustrator of the sandman comic series about mystical creatures. tori first mentioned him in tear in your hand, and he became a fan. they are now close friends, and there is a neil reference on all her major cds (i.e. in horses, hotel, etc), and she has written the introduction to the death comic of the sandman series. also, one of his characters is based on tori. :0, hope this helps you out (and others that didn't know, or forgot, etc). peace, manda c ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:37:16 EDT From: PoetGrrlAC@aol.com Subject: Re: names names everywhere II In a message dated 98-07-19 20:33:52 EDT, you write: << also who is beene i have heard of him so much but have no idea who he is >> beene is a shel, and is Tori's best female friend. she is mentioned in several songs, and also sings backup on some songs (i.e. little earthquakes, the song). she was her masseuse and confidiant on the ddi tour, and is very close to Tori still. peace, manda c ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:44:59 EDT From: BlueGirl88@aol.com Subject: Re: names names everywhere (Marianne) Okay I don't have any sources but Cindy says she got these quotes off of Toriphoria or the Tori Amos Lyric Database so I'm sure they have the sources there if you need them, but as far as we know all quotes are by Tori. But thank the people who own the sites for looking up all that info. "Marianne represents the death of the girlhood." "Part of you has to die, and in Marianne it's the whole Mary Magdalene reference, a young girl who I knew that died. There's the whole idea of that part of woman that has been dormant, who's been dead. 'The quickest girl in the frying pan,' the priestesses who showed her they were one with the knowledge and the passion...man, get rid of them!" "Tuna/Rubber/A little blubber in my igloo...' For me to say that line in another way would just make it really gross and crass. Sometimes it's just about how something makes you feel. You've got to go there, you've got to be willing to take that trip. And images, tastes, smells, objects... it's associations. To me, these things are concrete. Some were a little more layered than others, no question about that. But I think from beginning to end it's about a woman's journey; and it's a really emotional journey." "Marianne Curtis is a girl I went to school with in junior high. She was the kind of person everyone adored, she was just magical. I had written a song about her years ago which I used to play in the bars sometimes. It never went any further than being performed, I didn't record it. Since then I have always wanted to have Marianne in a song. She died from a drug overdose when she was 15. It is not known, but I don't believe it was suicide. I think she took the wrong things together. She is very special to me, and comes to visit in my songs sometimes." "Umm, Marianne came to visit me -- the spirit of Marianne. Marianne Curtis was a girl that I went to school with. And uh, some say she killed herself, some say she died over an O.D. I choose to believe that Marianne just umm -- to me she was kind of like a young Mary Magdalene. She... it just wasn't... the world couldn't hold her any more, it couldn't, umm, understand her energy. I think anybody that knew Marianne, would tell you that she reflected the best parts of you back. So when you'd look into Marianne's eyes, yes, of course she was beautiful, but you felt beautiful, because Marianne never hated anything - -- anybody. And so when she died, you felt like this thing that reflected the best part of you, had died. So for Marianne to come back again, was umm... it was uh... like the second coming for me, really." Love to the EWF! :-) Sarah & Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:30:09 EDT From: Bobdel123@aol.com Subject: phantom center? has anyone here heard of phantom center by ferron tori is on it and i want to buy it but i'm not really sure what it is. you can find it at tower records. thanks. Bob he's our commander still spacedog ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:48:29 EDT From: PoetGrrlAC@aol.com Subject: Re: names names everywhere In a message dated 98-07-19 20:34:06 EDT, you write: << okay this may be really stupid of me but i thought well i might as well ask. who are these people: mr.st. john marianne bobby hiedi >> i know marianne is a friend of Tori's who committed suicide when she was young, and Tori never forgot her. she said the song is an ode to marianne. also, mr. st. john is thought to possibly be the man in the book jane eyre, the master of the house whom jane falls in love with (i love this book!). i have found this website to be a great help in finding out who the people in the songs are, it's called Tori amos: a girl and her watercolour stain, and here is the link to the encyclopedia, where you can look up who's who in Tori's songs: tori amos: a girl and her watercolour stain next.... <> Tori has said before bells for her is about a friend of hers who was in a bad relationship with a guy, and was in a lot of pain. Tori tried to talk to her, convince her to give him up, but she wouldn't. Tori couldn't stand all the pressure in this, and told her to make a choice, her friendship or the guy. the friend chose the guy, and the relationship only got worse. the song is about this whole incident. peace, manda c ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #259 *************************************