From: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org (precious-things-digest) To: precious-things-digest@smoe.org Subject: precious-things-digest V3 #234 Reply-To: precious-things@smoe.org Sender: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-precious-things-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "precious-things-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. precious-things-digest Friday, June 26 1998 Volume 03 : Number 234 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Tori@MSG, Section 1 Row 25 update! [JewlyaRose@aol.com] Re: me and a gun [AstroKitty@aol.com] an' I had to get two taxi's, said I had to get toot axes [PRLstoke@aol.co] my free spark single [honeybee81@juno.com (Sharon D Moeller)] Re: Warm little liquid diamonds ["Giovanni" ] Re: Thoughts on the songs... ["kiRa" ] Tori mentioned... ["Giovanni" ] **TIME SENSITIVE*** -- YKTR LP for sale in SF!! [Beth Winegarner ] Tori Book ["Nephilim" ] Another Danish review of FTCH [Thomas Lauritsen ] an enlightenment... [ToriPyro@aol.com] LAUNCH [honeybee81@juno.com (Sharon D Moeller)] Re: an enlightenment... [**Molly Marguerite** ] Re: MiniDisc & Launch [Nadyne Mielke ] Jackie's Strength - the delay, and the implications. ["Mike Gray" ] unauthorised product-a catch 22 [Jon & Janet Haverman ] Re: the doughnut song... [Glitergul@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:06:03 EDT From: JewlyaRose@aol.com Subject: Tori@MSG, Section 1 Row 25 update! Hey everyone.... It's been a couple weeks, and I wanted to give anyone and everyone intrested an update on the Tori at MSG Section 1 Row 25 ticket auction..... The highest bidder so far is at $70, and we got 2 weeks or so to go......so... Bidding is still open to anyone who wishes.... And send any comments and suggestions my way as well:) JewlyaRose@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:48:52 EDT From: AstroKitty@aol.com Subject: Re: me and a gun i dunno about tori not needing the song... but maybe her fans don't need the song? each album brings in a new crop of fans, and since many of her venues are larger, this means a lot more new fans and a lot more people who maybe have only heard the new album, and not any of her other material. this tour *is* "plugged," which maag is definitely not. and maybe she feels that the setting and atmosphere of this tour is just not right for the song. plus i'm sure the song is very emotionally draining for her, and perhaps she doesn't want to go back to that place in time every single night again like she's done with past tours (where she's gotten exhausted). that's just my take on it... - -megan Violent & Delicious: Tori Amos http://members.aol.com/AstroKitty/Tori.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:32:47 EDT From: PRLstoke@aol.com Subject: an' I had to get two taxi's, said I had to get toot axes j'ason went: >>Tori didn't say "Piggy" in Cooling. >>She says "Peggy." >>the line goes, "and Peggy got a message for me from Jesus..." and i always thought it was "pegging out a message...", you know, as in the saying "airing your laundry in public" or whatever... well, it's less bizarre than a muppet. or maybe it's the piggy from the BFP pics ...or maybe not :-) # bad-hair-day-pete #:-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:50:58 -0400 From: honeybee81@juno.com (Sharon D Moeller) Subject: my free spark single With that $10 coupon I get "Spark" FREE and it's gonna get to me in two days!!! Kewl!!! BTW, you can still get that FREE LYRIC BOOK @ www.musicblvd.com/win GO EVERYBODY! :sharon) B O R E D W I T H T H E I N T E R N E T ? *@&*@&@*&@*&@*&@*&@*&@*&@*&@*&@*&@*&@* Check out my website! PICTURES, PICTURES, AND MORE PICTURES!! TOTALLY COOL! FUN! GO TO: http://www.angelfire.com/sd/sunkissed911/index.html c o m i n g s o o n : T o r i A m o s d i s c o g r a p h y _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:02:27 -0500 From: "Giovanni" Subject: Re: Warm little liquid diamonds <<> ThanksI think Tori is referring to the female genitalia here... there's another reference somewhere similaras well, anyone? Kahlan >> Maybe that line on Precious Things: "These precious things, let them bleed, let them wash away, these precious things, let them break, the hold over me". I think that's how it goes. This line is believed to be about women having periods... Just a thought, Giovanni http://come.to/corncity - ------- Now Playing: George Michael, "Listen Without Prejudice Vol. 1" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:19:21 -0400 From: "kiRa" Subject: Re: Thoughts on the songs... umm tori herself has said that certain girls are stepping forward and others are hanging back uhh also the old songs you will hear ( like waitress and precious things) are totally transformed and are now rocking with the band. somehow i dont think translating the older girls into a band version is easy or fast. plus uhh this is a tour with a band! and they have to rock everytime they go out! and we know tori aims to give us the best :) so im pretty sure she has to feel the songs are completely ready for the whole band before they jump into it at a show. - -----Original Message----- From: becky To: precious-things@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 10:46 PM Subject: Re: Thoughts on the songs... > >This post made me think of something and it's probably entirely off the >subject . . . but . . . are there certain "girls" that Tori just doesn't >like? She's pulled a lot of the same songs for each stop of this present >tour . . . meaning the secret time, not the ones with the band . . . and I'm >just wondering why the other ones rarely see the light of day. They might >just be shy, but . . . I'm so fond of some of them. I wish they would come >out and play sometime. Any thoughts? > >becky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:36:29 -0500 From: "Giovanni" Subject: Tori mentioned... Hey guys, Tori was mentioned in the Billboard Review of Stevie Nicks' "Enchanted" concert at the Radio City Music Hall. You can read it here: http://www.billboard.com/concerts/nicks.html Here is the Tori mention: "Any girl who takes the stage with total individuality is influenced by Stevie." -- Courtney Love When Love paid tribute to Stevie Nicks in the October 1997 issue of Spin, she spoke volumes for those who have waited for the rock poetess to receive respect for her influence on a generation of female rockers, including Sheryl Crow, Tori Amos, Joan Osborne, and Jewel. "She had a huge effect on everybody, whether they admit it or not," says Love." There you go. Giovanni http://come.to/corncity - ------- Now Playing: The Wallflowers, "Bringing Down The Horse" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:55:55 -0700 From: Beth Winegarner Subject: **TIME SENSITIVE*** -- YKTR LP for sale in SF!! I just returned from a wonderful trip to amoeba records in SF (near the corner of Haight & Stanyan, on Haight St.). I saw something behind the counter which shocked the hell out of me. I didn't buy it, but I figure someone on this list might like to have it: The YKTR disc. The original one. On Vinyl. It's not even a cut-out. And it's $150, which is comparitively priced for the item. It looks to be in really good shape (the cover, I didn't look at the vinyl itself). I'd go quickly, if you're interested in it -- it will probably be gone quite soon. They ALSO have 2 packages of the Choirgirl box. These seem to come in plain corrugated cardboard boxes, and include the CD with a different cover, a t-shirt and the piano pin, for $66.98. Since I couldn't see any of the items, I decided to pass on it, but SF fans who don't have this already might be interested. I DID find a lot of other lovely things... so I am happy. :) Beth - -- "Is food your favorite obsession?" I ask. Amos' eyes gleam wickedly. "No," she says, grinning. "It's just a smokescreen for my favorite obsession." "Which would be?" She takes a perfect pause. "Comparitive religion." - -- David Daley on Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:52:26 +0200 From: Marcel Rijs Subject: MiniDisc & Launch Hi all, Two questions for you all: I have recently started discovering the MiniDisc, and come to find that it is quite a great medium. I've noticed that Little Earthquakes was released as a MiniDisc in the US. Is this one still available somewhere, and if so, for a reasonable price? In that case, I'd like to hear from you.... Has anyone else noticed that the free issue of Launch is _for_US_citizens_only ? God, we Europeans are truly meant to miss out on all the fun, aren't we? Anyone got any idea how yours truly might get a copy after all? Oh, and another thing: One the quite Wonderful Dent, I read that a Tori Concert in Germany should have been broadcast this week on HR1. Has it happened, if so, is anyone willing to get me a copy? Hey, lots of 'wanting things' in this mail, perhaps I can be more giving next time... Kind regards, Marcel Rijs - "Conan the Librarian" mfgr@plex.nl Visit my Websites: http://www.plex.nl/~mfgr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:53:20 -0400 From: "Nephilim" Subject: Tori Book hey all well this is an announcment for a Tori Book, I do not want to get into the detail of it all here, but if you visit my site all the info is there.. please go to http://www.concentric.net/~nephilim/tori.html here is a brief summary.. more details are on the web What is it? The Tori Book is a project I am undertaking. What I would like to do is to make a book for Tori. This book will be given to her at one of the shows I will be going to in this tour. I am going to four shows, and I have never had a problem talking to Tori, so I can assure you it will get to her. What I want to do is have every fan who is interested to write something for Tori. It can be what ever you wish, a letter, a poem, etc. I will collect all these entries and put them all in one big book. I will need a nice title for this book, so any suggestions are welcomed. It will be a book specifically from her internet EWF to her. also.. i added a poll to my site, the question will change monthly, please answer this months poll and also.. i added the tori amos time line found in the collectibles book to my site, with some additions for what has occured since the book was published so take your time and visit the corner thanks alex - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- The Tori Amos Corner ( http://come.to/tori.corner ) p.s. ; Mike, I would like for you to please tell people about The Tori book project on your announcement page so more ears with feet will know about it, since not everyone is on the mailing lists. Thank YOu. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:33:30 +0200 From: Thomas Lauritsen Subject: Another Danish review of FTCH Here is my translation of a review of FTCH from the Danish magazine Dag&Nat, June/July issue. The original review in Danish can be found at their website : http://www.natdag.dk. - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tori Amos : From the Choirgirl Hotel Written by Andres K. Sørensen Tori Amos is a charismatic woman, who is able to spellbound many, including this writer, with her sensual force of personality in both sound and picture. If you move around on the Internet, you will find a countless number of sites dedicated to Tori. In the chaotic and anarchic digital univers, an almost scary loads of photos and information is drifting around among each other with more or less disingenuous messages and dedications to the American singer and pianist. Tori Amos's musical univers is also broad-spectrum, rebellious and restless. Amos has never made any compromise about her music; no chord is allowed to stand unchallenged but it is challenged by polyrhythmical beats and melodies pointing the opposite direction. Together with her moving vocal, it create a dramatic and sometimes confused effect. In the center of the music is Tori Amos's fragmented lyrics which is part of an almost therapeutic process that is passsing experiences and impression from her life to the listeners. And Tori life hasn't been easy. A childhood among strongly religious calvinists, caused a intense hate for the respressing grandmother. Being raped at gunpoint by a fan, who Tori gave a lift after a concert, has also given her scars. Recently, Tori has had a miscarrige when she was three months pregnant, which can be heard several places on the new album. Nevertheless, From the Choirgirl Hotel seem more clarify than the unruly and teasing Boys For Pele. On tracks like the single Spark, Jackie's Strength and Playboy Mommy, Tori Amos isn't afraid of letting the harmonies seduce her curly and powerful pianoplay in a way so that the songs almost aspire to catch your ears. In general, the album has a depth and an amount of facets that demands time and the will to work with the music. But in return you are sure to get a good friend to give you comfort and make you read, when it is time to be indoor again. - --------------------------------------------------------------- I hope it make sense. Some of it was not so easy to translate. - - Thomas Lauritsen Copenhagen, Denmark (work) (home) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 03:36:46 EDT From: ToriPyro@aol.com Subject: an enlightenment... to all on the list, i hope you will read this. i have just left a private chat room with someone who i refer to as my guardian angel, and i've just experienced an enlightenment. we talked of guys, love, and all of the happiness and pain they both bring (as girls and love go the same for guys). for a half an hour before our conversation began, i put Hey Jupiter (the Dakota Version) on repeat and just let it run (from the US HJ single). i had already experienced a great connection to tori earlier that nite. i was browsing through a tape a friend of mine had in which he told me there were tori videos on there. to his usual flightiness, there were no tori amos videos contained in THAT tape, but there was (in perfect, crystal-clear sound and video) the "Father Lucifer" performance from Letterman in 1996. I remember this nite well...all I will say is that I began to cry hysterically as the performance went on. Tori, as well as my friend that I have just spoken with, is an angel. Listening to this version of Hey Jupiter, it first began to bring back memories. I thought about the day I cried to this on repeat for six hours back in mid-January (the 17th, to be specific) because myself and someone i once knew got back together. it was a song of true happiness at the time, which became a song of true saddness for the same reasons when i heard it tonite. as for my friend, she just sat there, letting me feed her with what was on my mind, until the music hit me like an enlightening bolt. the lines that stood out the most were "i go from day to day, i know where the cupboards are, i know where the car is parked, i know he isn't you". it makes me think of how i get through each day, lately.....knowing everything trivial that i need to know (knowing where the knives and forks are kept, how to turn on rinse cycle) and also how he is not who he used to be. i feel as though i am earth, and he is jupiter now. we are far apart, and these are my final words. i have this urge to do an interpretation (if anyone is still reading this, bear with me): - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one's picking up the phone Guess it's me and me (it finally hit me that i am alone, there is no purpose in call, for he will never pick up) And this little masochist She's ready to confess (sitting silently, i'm ready to tell the world how i am hurting myself) All the things that she never thought That she could feel and (i'm still in shock as to how i felt in the past, and how i feel about it now) Hey Jupiter (that would be him) Nothing's been the same (self-explanatory) So are you gay (i wonder if you're happier, now, without me....) Are you blue (.....or are you still sad?) Thought we both could use a friend To run to (originally, him and i were both friends, both needing someone to "run to") Sometimes I breathe you in (his memory still lives in me) And I know you know (and I truly believe he realizes that still) And sometimes you take a swim (Even when he's not there... Found your writing on my wall (...he'll still leave some kind of trace) If my heart's soaking wet Boy, your boots can leave a mess (from what is brought in by the outside world, it leaves me damp where he is able to walk all over me...i am more suseptible to pain) Hey Jupiter Nothing's been the same So are you gay Are you blue Thought we both could use a friend To run to And he isn't you (as much as i would like that, the same person i ran to does not exist anymore) No one's picking up the phone Guess it's clear he's gone And this little masochist Is lifting up her dress (sort of a sexual gesture to see what is left inside of her now) Guess i thought I could never feel the things i feel and (i could never have imagined myself like this) Hey Jupiter Nothing's been the same So are you gay Are you blue Thought we both coule use a friend to run to And I thought, I wouldn't have to keep With you Hiding (i thought i would never, ever have to hide with him...but shortly before we broke up, i began to when we didn't keep in touch) I go from day to day (I get through each day) I know where the cupboards are I know where the car is parked (knowing all I need to know about these trivial things) I know he isn't you (and as all things, I realize this now as well, and accept it) Hey Jupiter Nothing's been the same (i'm fading away, wishing things could be as they once were, but so much has happened...it's time to "turn the page") - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If any of you disagree with these interpretations, I understand completely. I was sitting here, and for the first time, Hey Jupiter hit my heart so deep that I felt I wanted to share it with all of you. I wonder if he will ever read this email, but I'm not really sure if it matters anymore. I guess you could say I wrote this for me, it was just something I had to do. For all of you who read this completely, I'm extending my gratitude. For the one person this is directed to, I wonder if one day we could be at peace with one another. LoveInTori, Vicki http://members.aol.com/MerGyrl/main.html "Angel came down from heaven, yesterday she stayed with me just long enough to rescue me and she told me a story, yesteday about the sweet love between the moon and the deep blue sea and then she spread her wings high over me and said she's going to come back tomorrow"~Jimi Hendrix (who does not love Jimi Hendrix?) note to reader: i'm the hermit on the list...so when i come out in spurts like this, it's usually a madass long email :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:39:56 -0400 From: honeybee81@juno.com (Sharon D Moeller) Subject: LAUNCH back-issues for LAUNCH are around $6... I liked Tori's performance but I think the camera-man who recorded it didn't know what he was doing. You can't see Tori's face!! Just her hair.... :sharon) *@&*@&@*&@*&@*&@*&@*&@*&@*&@*&@*&@*&@* * Come buy CDs from my website * . . . and get an extra $10 OFF your order! Just click on the CDnow icon from my page . . . http://www.angelfire.com/sd/sunkissed911/index.html _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:35:27 +0000 From: **Molly Marguerite** Subject: Re: an enlightenment... Vicki I just read your whole email, and couldn't agree more. I am engaged to this guy now and we were living together and broke up he moved out (long story) and I was in the apartment we shared, alone and I remember the first weeks I couldn't listen to Tori at all because the wound was too fresh. One night I put in that single and played HJ Dakota ver. and cried so hard just like you the song made so much sense related so close to everything I was going through the part "I Know where the car is parked..." exactly I just barely got by thinking about only what I had to get through the day, I felt like a Zombie, and "I know he isn't you...", took on a more literal meaning because this other guy started coming around the kind that preys on weak girls and I was so vulnerable, but I knew it wasn't the same. Now that I'm back with the guy I can't hardly listen to the song it brings back sad memories. We're happier than ever, I played it for him once and it helped him to understand how I felt. it's just one of those things like I can't listen to "Not the Red Baron" when I know I'm going to be flying soon because it makes me think too much about my plane going down in flames...silly isn't it I'm flying to Orlando July 8th so I've been having to skip that song lately (heehee). Thanks for sharing... Molly Marguerite ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:23:32 -0400 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: MiniDisc & Launch At 08:52 PM 6/25/98 +0200, Marcel Rijs wrote: [snip] >I have recently started discovering the MiniDisc, and come to find that it >is quite a great medium. I've noticed that Little Earthquakes was released >as a MiniDisc in the US. Is this one still available somewhere, and if so, >for a reasonable price? In that case, I'd like to hear from you.... I'm sure that the Minidisc of LE is out of print, but it's still relatively easy to find. My local Best Buy has one in stock, and I believe Circuit City had them the last time I was there. Prices were, IIRC, somewhere between US$10 and US$15. IIRC, the minidisc info page has lots more about minidiscs, including places you can buy albums on minidisc on the 'net. I think the URL is www.minidisc.org, although I could very well be mistaken. /nad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:52:15 -0700 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: Jackie's Strength - the delay, and the implications. Hi Guys.. I finally re-cornered the E/W rep (for those of you who have heard the continuing saga), and I finally have the details. If any CDs are currently pressed, they will *not* be being used as the UK releases, which offers the possibility of both a UK release and a European release. The UK release will occur on the 3rd of August, on 2 CDs, each containing only *2* bonus tracks, instead of the previously rumoured 3 and 2. Merman is still something of a possibility. The *2* tracks are in accordance with new CIN chart rules which, dear readers, suck like a really sucky thing that has a particular reason to suck today. More news as and when. Cheers Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:08:15 -0800 From: "Nick J. Mattos Jr." Subject: My take on Blue Skies Here's my interpetation of the Blue Skies lyrics... they are almost definitely wrong. Eeep on an eep on a dong ong (eep) Eep on a hon a hong (4x) blue sky uh uh uh (3x) Aw yeah heah heah those blue skies in my head (2x) oh hoh hoh za moches soldier stars I say lets go lets go lets go to this magic wonder show and I'm walking & crawling & thoughts are all non-sane high high high, I'm high high say blue skies clouds in my hand he said blue skies though in my hand doo skies dough in my hand blue skies blue skies up ahead aaaaoouughh... touch what suzie I can streer so I can steer my lullabies just when she sings I can streer oh I can steer my lullaby And you can go just where she goin on a blue sky dough in my hand he said blue skies dough in my hand up ahead he said blue skies aough in my hand he said blue skies blue skies up ahead need a little joy need a little choy need a little joy put on her baby boy and need a little joy need a little joo-hoye need a little joyce and I said NEED A LITTLE JOY-HOY-OY-HOY-OY-HOY got my baby boy he's got my blue skies blue-oo-oo sky oh sadu skies in my hand blue skies clouds in my hand blue skies dough in my hand he said blue skies aaagugh in my hand blue skies aayye in my hand heer oh yeah aaagh in my hand blue skies ow in my hand blue skies blue skies are up ahead. I'm just that unusual, I guess. Nick - -- "Oh, I don't get wild. Wild on me equals spaz." - -- Alyson Hannigan All The Dried Roses: An Unofficial Lori Carson Homepage http://listen.to/loricarson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:48:07 +0000 From: Jon & Janet Haverman Subject: unauthorised product-a catch 22 UFO/Vinyl Solution have been doing great 'boot' unauthorized box sets, books, etc. for many years now. I love the new box and T-shirt they have put together for From The Choirgirl Hotel. As other Tori boxes, it can be obtained with or without the UK cd. The box comes with a nice heavey piano badge and a round sticker. A numbered certificate as well, and a black T-shirt (usually XL-and fits us big guys for once, unlike the old Kate Bush T's which were used for her first two box set released many years ago). The T-shirt is embroidered on the breast with a piano and Tori Amos-Choirgirl Hotel etc. There is no book for this box, which is small and made of a vinyl material- and big enough to hold a few cd's. Nice subliminal picture used as well with the hands and thumbs! Furthermore, anyone coming to the Cleveland July 22nd show, come down front and say hello. I will be working security for what I believe will be my 7th Tori Amos show. I am scheduled to be there all day, and I am taking off work from the 'real job'. I got to work all day a few times during the UTP tour, including sitting on stage during soundcheck. No, I do not get the opportunity to get or ask for autographs-as that is a 'no-no' in the music security business. Although my boss knows I am a fan of hers, and lets me get some special privs for her shows (like to work all day). I have been able to get a few tour laminates, which I will never part with. Now, about booting shows. Tori and her crew do take it seriously, or have so in the past. Just remember, if caught you may lose your equipment, be expelled from the show, and in some cases prosecuted. I was once a 'spotter' during the Bruce Springsteen 'Tom Joad" shows in about four Ohio towns. One guy i caught had DAT tapes from about six different shows inside his long leather jacket. The coat and the tapes were taken, and he was prosecuted by the Mr. Springsteen's management and record label. That was a fun court desposition. But, Tori was once told by Robert Plant, "you aren't nothing until you're bootlegged".... where does that put Tori now? Jon Shirt #693 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:38:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Burrell Subject: Ticket news Hi Everybody, 6/25/98 CONCERTS These are all the concerts that Tori's management confirmed as going on sale this weekend. There are NO shows going on sale the weekend of July 3, 4, and 5. ------------------------------------------------------------ Concert City Venue On-Sale Date Date ------------------------------------------------------------ 8/11 Richmond, VA Landmark Theater 6/27 8/12 Charlotte, NC Ovens Auditorium 6/26 9/11 Seattle, WA Key Arena 6/26 -Greg Burrell The Official Tori Amos Fanzine News Editor http://www.toriamos.org Really Deep Thoughts ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:37:27 EDT From: Glitergul@aol.com Subject: Re: the doughnut song... In a message dated 6/23/98 4:07:02 PM Central Daylight Time, hardic2@rpi.edu writes: << the author used the terminology 'beyond the pale' (this was an editoral)...well, instantly i thought of the doughnut song...i also know that dublin is often referred as 'the pale (sp?)' in ireland...i also know that part of 'boys for pele' was recorded in ireland...is it possible that tori is referring to dublin in this song??? if not, what do you think she's referring to??? >> i just recently a book called "beyond the pale", and it was about two jewish girls who immigrated from southern russia ( i think it was russia ) to america. i believe this area in russia was refered to as the pale, and the boundries beyond the pale. i think that the reference to going beyond the pale is significant of getting out of a circle and going past it. breaking out a mold... remi, glitergurl@aol.com ------------------------------ End of precious-things-digest V3 #234 *************************************